Pint Price Hike

Krouc

Once again the drink is going up and it's all because of the smoking ban (according to reports).

According to news reports it will be a 15c increase
6c for the brewers and the rest going to the pubs.

So all that money you saved from the introduction of the smoking ban will be gone again.

Should we really be surprised by this?

ixoy

Of course not. I'm not going to advocate not going to a pub, but I'm personally going to give them less money when I'm there by drinking less.
Will these increases be passed on to other drinks as well? Mr. Publican's brand new Jaguar won't buy itself you know people!

Krouc

From what I heard its all the brands diageo own, eg Guinness. I would assume all the others will follow. This is one bandwagon they wont miss but hey, prove me wrong!

Never mind buying the jag, thats the cheap part, running the damn thing requires a tanker truck following you with pertrol. And petrol is dirt cheap these days :P

"The Rich are here to do none of the work, get all of the money, and pay none of the taxes. The middle class are here to do all the work and pay all of the taxes. The poor are here to scare the ****e of the middle class."

anyhoo I may start home brewing if this keeps going... There just seems no end to the gouging in Ireland. :dunno:

Jip

Originally posted by Krouc
Once again the drink is going up and it's all because of the smoking ban (according to reports).

I haven't seen one report that said that, it's nothing to do with the smoking ban. According to Diageo it's because of improvements in their hygiene systems. They announced it in March or sometime earlier this year but it was delayed because of the introduction of the ban, publicans feared that the ban would have an adverse effect on their custom and the price hike would aggrevate it even more so it was delayed. However, publicans will probably pass on the full hike and more to maintain their profit margin and some are also using the excuse they invested in alot of outdoor equipment and need to recoup their costs.

LFCFan

I really hope this increase affects their custom even more. I hate the profiteering that goes on in the pub trade. It's one thing charging €5 for a pint of beer, but if you wanted a pint of sparkling water it could cost you over €9. Same with softdrinks. They are a scourge on the nation. The sooner people kop on and stay away from pubs the soon they will get the message and do something to bring prices down again.

parsi

It is mildly amusing that an industry which claims it is losing business (due to the ban) and spending more (due to equipping pubs for the ban eg that little metal ashtray on the outside wall) and which says it will continue to lose business (due to the ban) reacts by putting _up_ prices.

Surely if business is poor then the brewers and the publicans should be trying to encourage business and not by making it even more expensive.

dudara

In comparison, Tesco is selling 12 x 500 ml cans of it's dutch export lager for E9.51.

E9.51 would barely buy a single round these days.

seamus

Originally posted by Krouc
According to news reports it will be a 15c increase
6c for the brewers and the rest going to the pubs.

That's what annoyed me the most. That means that if that's a standard increase, then 60% of the price of a pint goes to the publican.

So 60% of €4 == €2.40.

Anyone care to do some sums?

I'd hate to take liberty with figures.

Imposter

Originally posted by Krouc
According to news reports it will be a 15c increase
6c for the brewers and the rest going to the pubs.

That's not exactly what I read. It's a 6c increase for the brewers and the publican's raise it whatever to maintain their margins. That to me means that there's a chunk of that 9c that is tax (probably 3-4c).

tman

Originally posted by dudara
In comparison, Tesco is selling 12 x 500 ml cans of it's dutch export lager for E9.51.

E9.51 would barely buy a single round these days.

a six pack of tuborg for €7 tbh.
i can honestly barely tell the difference between this and carlsberg (usually my beer of choice when i'm in a pub)
i went out for 5 pints in Galway the other day and came back with no change from €20... i could have gotten properly ****ed on 18 cans of Tuborg for a euro more ffs:rolleyes:

alleepally

As usual we Irish will just take it and continue on as we've always done - bending over and taking it up the behind.

It really bugs me to hear about drug pushers moaning their profits are down. The majority in big urban and city areas are very well off.

A nice sharp shock for them all would be the big D word.

Let them compete like every else has to do. Supermarkets like Dunnes and Tesco have to fight tooth and nail to retain customers due to competition from Lidl. Shops all over town have sales, special offers, giveaways, promotions to attract custom.

These fcukers swan about in their mercs and bmw's smoking cigars and sticking two fingers up at the plebs on the street (ok ok, i'm going overboard on the stereotype but y'know what i mean)

It would be great if there was a widely supported "stay out of pubs" day. I think there was one organised a while back. The fact of the matter is that probably 90% of people don't give a toss really. They either have too much money or think "ah sure it's only 15 cent"...

lizbeth

Originally posted by Krouc
anyhoo I may start home brewing if this keeps going... There just seems no end to the gouging in Ireland. :dunno:

Price of beer in Houston is still the same...

DRakE

Originally posted by LFCFan
I really hope this increase affects their custom even more. I hate the profiteering that goes on in the pub trade. It's one thing charging €5 for a pint of beer, but if you wanted a pint of sparkling water it could cost you over €9. Same with softdrinks. They are a scourge on the nation. The sooner people kop on and stay away from pubs the soon they will get the message and do something to bring prices down again.

Where in Ireland would it cost you €9 for a pint of sparkling water? That's a ridiculous statement. In the nightclub i work in, (most expensive in Galway) a pint will cost you €4.40 and a bottle of water is €2.70. Coke and the like are €2.50. Meaning €5 for a pint of coke. Non alcoholic drinks are stupidly overpriced, but not to the point of €9...

Explosive_Cornflake

Two bottles are not a pint though.
2 * 200ml = 400ml
pint = 568ml

talking_walnut

See this is why I barely ever drink in pubs. A few cans or some vodka at a friends house (or anywhere removed from the eyes of the gardai), and then straight to a club. The clubs bad enough.

LFCFan

Originally posted by DRakE
Where in Ireland would it cost you €9 for a pint of sparkling water? That's a ridiculous statement. In the nightclub i work in, (most expensive in Galway) a pint will cost you €4.40 and a bottle of water is €2.70. Coke and the like are €2.50. Meaning €5 for a pint of coke. Non alcoholic drinks are stupidly overpriced, but not to the point of €9...

Well, once place tried to charge me €4 for a 250ml bottle of water (comes to nearly €9 if you tried to make up a pint). Told them where they could stick it. Unfortunatly I was a bit worse for wear and didn't get the name of the place I was 'cause I was in shock at their prices. I really think the Government should put pressure on Pubs to introduce some sort of Designated Driver policy so that in groups of 4 or more, the designated driver drinks for free. Might encourage a decrease in drink driving. Of course something like that could never happen in Ireland because publicans are protected too much.

AntiRip

I heard something in the radio last night that the government could put a price freeze on drink if this continues, but I wouldn't hold my breath!

What I do now for a good night out is buy cans from lidl/dunnes/tesco & go out then for a couple. If everyone started to do this, this may hit the pubs harder.

But still, I think it doesn't matter what the prices are, the pubs are still packed on a Saturday night!

Tommy Vercetti

I've all but retired from the whole pub scene. Nowadays it's more like large comfortable sofa and a bunch of quality beer with some music or a DVD for meh. And I only have to crawl upstairs at the end of it all. **** Diageo and the publicans!

wiped

Originally posted by AntiRip
I heard something in the radio last night that the government could put a price freeze on drink if this continues, but I wouldn't hold my breath!

Unlikely ...... a large amount of politcians come from "publican families" so to speak ...

Imposter

Originally posted by AntiRip
I heard something in the radio last night that the government could put a price freeze on drink if this continues, but I wouldn't hold my breath!

That's just soundbites to make it sound like the government care about this. Fact is if they seriously wanted to do something about the price of drink they would deregulate the industry. Price freezes if introduced (which i don't believe they will), can never be a long term solution to any problem.

RuggieBear

What about the price hikes that come in at 11pm. ....last month i was at a friends birthday in a microbrewery in Templebar drinking Erdinger at 5euro a pop (I know...I know. But it is the only thing i can stomach in this place as they don't serve Smithwicks!!) and went up and ordered another one, hand over my 5e and the barman asks for another euro.

He tells me that as it is after 11 a euro goes on everything. I'm not paying 6e for a pint so I gave him back his drink and asked for a pint of tap water and promptly got thrown out!!!

I wish my friends didn't drink in templebar or Dawson St (How much money must Cafe en Seine make?). I much prefer my locals, Slaterrys and the Beggarsbush....

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woolymammoth

Originally posted by Krouc
From what I heard its all the brands diageo own, eg Guinness..

True, Diageo Brands.

Archers Archers Aqua Authentic José Cuervo Margaritas Baileys Baileys Minis Baron Philippe Wines Barton & Guestier Wines Beaulieu Vineyard Bell’s Bertrams VO Brandy Black & White Black Haus Blossom Hill Wines Buchanan’s Bundaberg Rum Cacique Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum/Gold Captain Morgan The Original Rum (Black label) Captain Morgan Parrot Bay Captain Morgan Private Stock Captain Morgan Silver Spiced CARDHU Pure Malt Casillero Wines Cîroc Classic Malts Cragganmore Crown Royal Canadian Whisky Dalwhinnie Dimple (Pinch) Distillery Malts Dom Pérignon Don Julio Gilbey’s Gin Glenkinchie Goldschlager Gordon’s Gin Guinness Draught Guinness Draught Extra Cold Guinness Draught in Bottles Guinness Draught in Cans Guinness Extra Smooth Guinness Extra Stout Guinness Foreign Extra Stout Haig Harp Hennessy Hidden Malts JeB Jet JeB Rare JeB Reserve Johnnie Walker Black Label Johnnie Walker Blue Label Johnnie Walker Gold Label Johnnie Walker Pure Malt (Green Label) Johnnie Walker Red Label Johnnie Walker Swing José Cuervo Clásico José Cuervo Especial José Cuervo Margarita Mix José Cuervo Reserva de la Familia José Cuervo Tradicional José de Sousa Wines Justerini & Brooks Wines Kaliber Kilkenny Lagavulin Malta Guinness Moët & Chandon Myers’s Rum Oban Old Parr Pampero Periquita Wines Piat d’Or Picon Pimm’s Red Stripe Romana Sambuca Rumple Minze Ruski Safari Seagram’s 7 Crown Seagram’s VO Smirnoff Black Vodka 3 Smirnoff Black Ice Smirnoff Blue Vodka Smirnoff Ice Smirnoff Mule Smirnoff Twist Smirnoff Vodka Smithwick’s Spey Royal Sterling Vineyards Talisker Tanqueray London Dry Gin Tanqueray No. TEN Tanqueray Sterling Vodka Tusker UDL VAT 69 White Horse Windsor Premier

and their irish market in particular,

Archers, Archers Aqua, Baileys Minis, Barton & Guestier Wines, Blossom Hill Wines, Guinness Draught, Guinness Draught in Bottles, Guinness Draught in Cans, Guinness Draught Extra Cold, Guinness Extra Stout, Harp, Hennessy, Kilkenny, Piat d’Or, Smirnoff Black Ice, Smirnoff Vodka, Smithwick’s

what will be interesting to see is if the price of non-diageo brands such as Heineken,
Carlsberg, Bulmers... etc. also go up. it wouldn't suprise me.

We have made further investment in our brands, in innovation, in our
routes to market and to continue to drive down our costs while
continuing to deliver on our goal of sustained improvement across our
key financial measures

bull ****

Ripwave

Originally posted by Imposter
That's just soundbites to make it sound like the government care about this.

Especially useful in the week before an election!

Fendervendor

Originally posted by woolymammoth

what will be interesting to see is if the price of non-diageo brands such as Heineken,
Carlsberg, Bulmers... etc. also go up. it wouldn't suprise me.

Went out for a couple after work tonight, i drink Carlsberg and ......you guessed it 10cent a pint price hike! :mad:

The government have no interest in fighting for the consumer, in actual fact It's my belief that they view the pub culture the same way they view smokers.....as liabilities! If it were not for the HUGE revenues that both provide they would totally ban them both!

So, as usual we are being shafted both ways!!

The Brigadier

MacTorcaills on Townsend St Dublin have refused to bring the price up and have in fact vowed to absorb the price increase.

Fair play to em!!

OHP

Smoking is banned from Pubs Etc. Therefore there are a lot of people who just don’t bother going to pubs any more and drink at home. And also there are a lot of people that have given up smoking. The Government misses all this money and what happens? Up goes the price of your pint! So now the people that do not smoke and who wish to go for a drink PAY the price for the people that are not allowed to smoke in pubs and are staying at home.


OHP

parsi

Originally posted by OHP
Smoking is banned from Pubs Etc. Therefore there are a lot of people who just don’t bother going to pubs any more and drink at home. And also there are a lot of people that have given up smoking. The Government misses all this money and what happens? Up goes the price of your pint! .


OHP

am.. the price of the pint went up because the brewers (Beamish excepted) increased the price and the publicans (who are supposedly suffering from a reduction in business) also added on a few cents to "preserve their margins"...so really the Gov wasn't involved at all...

Ripwave

Originally posted by OHP
Smoking is banned from Pubs Etc. Therefore there are a lot of people who just don’t bother going to pubs any more and drink at home.

Personally, I've spent more time in pubs in the 2 months after the ban than I did in the 2 years before the ban - I used to have two reasons to avoid pubs - now there's only one (and rip-off prices only cause heart attacks, not cancer).

gurramok

Originally posted by Ripwave
Personally, I've spent more time in pubs in the 2 months after the ban than I did in the 2 years before the ban - I used to have two reasons to avoid pubs - now there's only one (and rip-off prices only cause heart attacks, not cancer).

Agreed.

Pubs are more attractive now without the smoke despite the rip-off beer prices

gurramok

Some prices i remembered whilst out and about over the weekend

1 pint Bulmers - €5.20 - The Carpenter pub, Blanchardstown
1 pint Bulmers - €5 - The West, Blanchardstown
1 pint Bulmers - €4.30 Dolly Heffernans, Blanchardstown

Raskolnikov

Originally posted by alleepally

It would be great if there was a widely supported "stay out of pubs" day. I think there was one organised a while back. The fact of the matter is that probably 90% of people don't give a toss really. They either have too much money or think "ah sure it's only 15 cent"...

That's exactly what needs to be done, show the publicans and brewers you're not willing to put up with their crap.

grumpytrousers

1 pint Bulmers - €5.20 - The Carpenter pub, Blanchardstown

Y'see - it seems that it's not exactly rip-off Ireland in this case, but rather Rip Off Dublin. Down here in the sticks, you'll get change out of €4 for a pint of Guinness.

Maybe you lot in the city ought to organise a massive day out to the country (not Galway/Limerick/Cork) but to small towns and do a weekends drinking there. Practically guaranteed lock-ins, no rude taxi drivers and cheap sauce!

briano

Originally posted by grumpytrousers
Y'see - it seems that it's not exactly rip-off Ireland in this case, but rather Rip Off Dublin. Down here in the sticks, you'll get change out of €4 for a pint of Guinness.

There is places in dublin city center like that also, you just have to know where to look. Not all pubs go for the Capital Bars/JRB's/Q Bar pricing scheme.

grumpytrousers

There is places in dublin city center like that also, you just have to know where to look.

Indeed - I'm sure that's the case, but what are the odds on a lock-in and a free plate of cocktail sausages...eh!