A new first for TV3

Elmo

Yeah you think I am going to praise them, YOU SO DON'T KNOW ME.


For the first time in the history of Irish TV TV3 will broadcast a little over an hour per day of Simultaniously Televisions Show with there parent company ITV.

So starting this Saturday right through to Friday and from ever more enjoy the delights of

Saturday 7-8 Saturday Night Takeaway (TV3/ITV)
Sunday 7.30 - 8 Coronations Street (TV3/ITV)
8-9 Heartbeat (TV3/ITV)
Monday 7-7.30 Emmerdale (TV3/ITV)
7.30 -8 Coronation Street (TV3/ITV)
8.30 - 9 Coronation Street (TV3/ITV)
Tuesday 7-7.30 Emmerdale (TV3/ITV)
Wednesday 7-7.30 Emmerdale (TV3/ITV)
7.30 -8 Coronation Street (TV3/ITV)
9 - 10 Footballers Wifes (TV3/ITV)
Thursday 7-7.30 Emmerdale (TV3/ITV)
Friday 7-7.30 Emmerdale (TV3/ITV)
7.30 -8 Coronation Street (TV3/ITV)

THIS EU TELEVISION WITHOUT FROUNTIERS DIRECTIVE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY TV3. (WE ARE REQUIRED ONLY TO SHOW 25% EU PROGRAMMING WE SHOW 50% UK PROGRAMMING)

AND DON'T FORGET INNOVATIVE IRISH PROGRAMME FROM 7 TO 10 EACH MORNING.

byte

So you don't like TV3 then? :rolleyes:

Mossy Monk

i still dont see The Bill. TV3 pick the worst of ITV

Elmo

i still dont see The Bill. TV3 pick the worst of ITV

Grrr Grrr Grrr.

Oh how I think It is just the worst. But soon Mossy I feel that Your days of The Bill on ITV Eire will come. Grrr Grrr.

And then some more, what a pathic waste.

Cork

I would prefer watching the Bill than some of RTE's home produced programmes.

The Big Bow Wow - Hoew much licence fee maoney was spent on this?

Still, RTE has friends & ER.

Elmo

The Big Bow Wow - Hoew much licence fee maoney was spent on this?

Have you seen Footballers' Wifes lately Cork, your not giving out about that are you.

Far worse then the Big Bow Wow.

Wheels

We now get Ant and Dec at the same time as ITV every saturday. This weeks was hilariously out of sync for the first half. Gave up caring after the break though and looked at the stains in the carpet instead.

watty

TV3 AM is the only decent TV3 home produced show...

(Erm, is it the *ONLY* home produced show?)

And cheifly because our Public Service Broadcaster MANY YEARS after every other TV channel has a rolling breakfest news / magasine, still does nothing. At least no more repeats of "Open House" (Yuuch!)

Easy to be "best" with no competition.

Still TV3 AM *IS* a sterling effort given total lack of Irish programming otherwise!

Elmo

TV3 AM is the only decent TV3 home produced show...

Can anyone tell me if Socky's Little Big Morning show on the Den is still getting more viewers then Ireland AM?

John R

Originally posted by Elmo
Have you seen Footballers' Wifes lately Cork, your not giving out about that are you.

Far worse then the Big Bow Wow.

Q: What's worse; a baseball bat to the kneecaps from Mr. RTE or from Mr. ITV/TV3?

A: Mr. RTE, because he has the cheek to demand you give him your baseball bat to do it with.

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by Elmo
Can anyone tell me if Socky's Little Big Morning show on the Den is still getting more viewers then Ireland AM?

Ha.Ha.......hold on...Ha very funnyy! Actually youll be quite suprised to know that TV3's IrelandAM actually has higher viewer ratings than EVERY OTHER CHANNEL AT THAT TIME IN THE MORNING! So get your Facts straight Elmo, also in relation to the big bow wow being not being worse than Footballerrs Wives!! HAAHAHAHAA!!! i could leave it at that but at least the Drugged, Sexed, Life is some Reality in footballers wives as opposed to the Drugged, Sexed, Life that is being shown in Big Bow Wow!

Granada have a huge share in TV3 therfore TV3 are going to show their Programmes. If you can come up with a way of funding Irish home made programmes without the millions that RTE Get, Please, Please let us know. If Not Sit Quiet and Take what your given...Its FREE!

watty

TV3 has maybe only 80% coverage.

Nearly Everyone can get it on Satellite. But you have to pay Sky a Family Pack or higher, so TV3 is NOT free for perhaps up to 20%.


To a lesser extent this is true for TG4, and lesser again for RTE1 and NET2.

I get over 800 NON Ireland TV channels and over 700 Radio channels (excluudes Today FM) FREE, on satellite, no card, no piracy, no subscription. Just pay the TV licence and the ESB.

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by LurkingIcon
TV3 has maybe only 80% coverage.

Nearly Everyone can get it on Satellite. But you have to pay Sky a Family Pack or higher, so TV3 is NOT free for perhaps up to 20%.

TV3 actually has 98%coverage and when worked out that a percentage of the remaining 2 percent doesnt actually watch tv3, it nearly has 100% Viewership availability. Therefore It Is Free.

Elmo

Ha.Ha.......hold on...Ha very funnyy! Actually youll be quite suprised to know that TV3's IrelandAM actually has higher viewer ratings than EVERY OTHER CHANNEL AT THAT TIME IN THE MORNING! So get your Facts straight Elmo,

Eh ... Excuse Me .... Ted .....


But please reread my post

Can anyone tell me if Socky's Little Big Morning show on the Den is still getting more viewers then Ireland AM?

See its a question. I think you will find that at one stage Socky's little big morning show was doing better then Ireland AM.

Does anyone know if it still is? that's my question can you answer that.

Q: What's worse; a baseball bat to the kneecaps from Mr. RTE or from Mr. ITV/TV3?

A: At least RTE paid for some people in this country to bat me in the kneecaps.

If you can come up with a way of funding Irish home made programmes without the millions that RTE Get, Please, Please let us know. If Not Sit Quiet and
Take what your given...Its FREE!

Well.... Ted .... at moment the most popular programme on the television is Ireland AM (An Irish Programme) what would it be like if TV3 had the most popular Irish Programme on during Prime Time. Now while I don't think TV3 is much use I do beleive that if they were to invest the kind of money the do into Ireland AM as there Prime Time Schedule they might just get viewers outside of Granada Productions.

TV3 is a joke if the only thing the can do is kick RTE in the butt during the morning, who the **** gets up to watch the telly at that time (50,000 people maybe, but then as you point out I don't have the facts but maybe someone could answer me this....


Would TV3 not prefer a big share of the audience during prime time when there are 1.4 million viewers watching, rather then having the No. 1 morning show? (If you invest you get return TV3 got return with the Morning show and well done to them for doing that, but it is nothing special and doesn't make anyone take very much notice of them)

Oh and by the way Ted have you see TG4 lately.

They make plenty of TV on only 30,000,000 euro per year plus a tiny bit of advertising. TV3 have two of the biggest media companies behind them plus a 15% audience share and all they can do is make a **** morning show

Oh and by the way ted, you are more likely to be employed to do something in the TV industry for TG4 then TV3.

So ted I dislike TV3 as much as RTE, they both need a good kick up the arse.

As do

The BCI
ComReg
And the Minister.

Sorry to rant, but its my right.

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by Elmo

See its a question. I think you will find that at one stage Socky's little big morning show was doing better then Ireland AM.

Maybe once when they were starting off but not since, and i think a totel of 50.000 under 12s doesnt really count for much, (Just for your info...its not in TV3's Target Audience bracket:) )

Originally posted by Elmo

Does anyone know if it still is? that's my question can you answer that.
[/QUOTE

as from previous post, No is your answer


I Understand your point about the Granada Programmes, but when Im A Celeb Brought in HIGHEST EVER VIEWER RATINGS for TV3, i cant hear them complainiing upstairs!!

Originally posted by Elmo

TV3 is a joke if the only thing the can do is kick RTE in the butt during the morning, who the **** gets up to watch the telly at that time (50,000 people maybe, but then as you point out I don't have the facts but maybe someone could answer me this....[/QUOTE

Highest ever ratings last year 197,000. Its amazing that this amount actually get up to watch it

Originally posted by Elmo

Would TV3 not prefer a big share of the audience during prime time when there are 1.4 million viewers watching, rather then having the No. 1 morning show? (If you invest you get return TV3 got return with the Morning show and well done to them for doing that, but it is nothing special and doesn't make anyone take very much notice of them)....[/QUOTE

They didnt invest that much in the morning programme and it brings in the viewers, unfortunatley As i have pointed out, they DONT GET ANY LIcense money...Any great ideas oh mighty one.??

Originally posted by Elmo

They make plenty of TV on only 30,000,000 euro per year plus a tiny bit of advertising. [/QUOTE

30.000.000 is a lot of money elmo, i would say if tv3 had that they would be very happy oh and the tiny bit of advertising of course

Originally posted by Elmo
Oh and by the way ted, you are more likely to be employed to do something in the TV industry for TG4 then TV3. [/QUOTE

Once again your repeating yourself,...Remember 30.000.000...i hope they employin people!!!

I Look forward to your repetative posts..

Originally posted by father_ted9t9

They didnt invest that much in the morning programme and it brings in the viewers, unfortunatley As i have pointed out, they DONT GET ANY LIcense money...Any great ideas oh mighty one.??

I Look forward to your repetative posts..

Actually a small proportion of the current higher tv licence is now available to tv 3 and commercial radio stations for public service broadcasting should they wish to avail of it.

I'm watching this thread by the way, the exchanges so far have been interesting, but a word of warning keep it civil , those last few comments are borderline Ted,we like to encourage the discussion here not flaming ( ie provoking other posters into a heated argument )

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by Earthman
Actually a small proportion of the current higher tv licence is now available to tv 3 and commercial radio stations for public service broadcasting should they wish to avail of it.

I'm watching this thread by the way, the exchanges so far have been interesting, but a word of warning keep it civil , those last few comments are borderline Ted,we like to encourage the discussion here not flaming ( ie provoking other posters into a heated argument )

firstly, the small amount is miniscule, as im sure you know, and that money does go into ireland am, agenda, sports tonight, news and go racing. And its no where close to even TG4's 30.000.000

as for the flaming, im not the only one you should be bringing this to the attention of, as im sure you see. ill answer to silly comments with silly answers

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
firstly, the small amount is miniscule, as im sure you know, and that money does go into ireland am, agenda, sports tonight, news and go racing. And its no where close to even TG4's 30.000.000

I merely corrected you there on your mistaken assertion that TV3 gets no licence funding.
I'm not passing judgement on the points you are making.

as for the flaming, im not the only one you should be bringing this to the attention of, as im sure you see. ill answer to silly comments with silly answers

Well I have been reading this thread and so far you are the only poster on it who has started making personal jibes against another poster.
You are adequately defending tv3 here and Elmo is putting up reasonable retorts and not flames.
Lets keep it that way shall we.

father_ted9t9

"You are adequately defending tv3 here and Elmo is putting up reasonable retorts "

reasonable retorts!!!!!! Ha

I am making no personal jibes at elmo, just at some of his laughable un researched comments

In the immortal words of some philosopher guy, Favouritism is alive and well, Bit like our beloved RTE.

father ted posts:36

Elmo posts:1376

Where am I showing favouritism here?
Elmo hasn't jibed and you have, I've drawn a line in the sand.
Nobody including Elmo is expected to cross that line.

Those that read the thread are well able to make up their minds as regards who is putting up the better arguments in the discussion.
Theres no need whatsoever to reinforce anything with personal jibes.

Let me remind you..

Any great ideas oh mighty one.??

Thats a personal jibe by you at Elmo which is not acceptable.
Now rather than continuing in this vein , perhaps you could go back to the topic at hand ie , the subject of this thread.

As your last on topic reply directly engages Elmo, we can await his reply or indeed that of anyone else who wishes to continue the discussion.

father_ted9t9

Fair Enough, But it has come to the point where i am sick of people putting down TV3 for any excuse possible. TV3 does not recieve a very substantial amount of money from the government, nothing like what RTE and TG4 get but people do not seem to understand this, and they continue on with repetative posts like...

Why doesnt TV3 put more money into other programmes?What is the reason for the similarities in programming between tv3 and ITV?
Why doesnt Tv3 produce more irish programming, there are loads of companies out the to make them...etc etc etc.

I have answered these questions numerous times, on this forum and other threads in this Forum. When it gets to a point that i have answered a question a number of times, all i can really say then is "Tell Us What is the solution then" and when people dont reply with answers but similar questions again like...

Why doesnt TV3 put more money into other programmes?What is the reason for the similarities in programming between tv3 and ITV?
Why doesnt Tv3 produce more irish programming, there are loads of companies out the to make them...etc etc etc.

Then i get personal to see what they have to say. I dont make it my point to go and "Target out certain members". I Agree with a lot of Elmos comments about the whole ITV Thing. But In The end and its all about the Money man, and theres none there to play with. My question to all of you is what to do?? answers would be great, not just the same rubbish questions over and over.

thanks

Elmo

Edit Sorry Change Of Mind

1. Generally RTE is put down more so then TV3, I like to give the balance as I am discussed at TV3. The promoters of this venture said all of the things that we are still saying about RTE 10 years ago, in the last 5 TV3 has done nothing to change Irish Television, no that has been left to TG4.

2. Granada and Canwest are two of the biggest media companies in the world, the have invested very little of their time into making TV3 what it could be because they are looking for the quick buck and lets face Ireland is the quick buck to many UK broadcasters. ie Sky, MTV, Nick, C4, E4 and UTV.

3. TV3 have played into the hands of Sky by buying the rights as live.

4. TV3 constantly gives out about the TV licence and where it puts RTE in the market place. TV3 now have 15% of the total market and they have yet to change, the are becoming more and more like a region of ITV.

5. HOW SHOULD THEY GO ABOUT IT: -

a. Look at TG4 and the type of programming it has made, not only the type but the way in which the are making the programmes.
b. TV3 cannot hide behind the TG4 fund, why because TG4 have to use this money to make as much TV as possible. With 30mill TG4 have been able to provide Programming and lots of it. Ros Na Run is made on only 5,000,000 euro (a good bit of their budget) this is tiny when it comes to drama (Just above 70,000 euro per episode), TV3 you have to start somewhere. Eamon Dunphy (How much was he paid) was to dear for a small company there are other people (unknowns) who would happily do that job on Saturday nights and give you 400,000 viewers.
c. Just provide an alternative.

In conclusion if TV3 had made prime time (Cosuil le TG4) from the beginning it would now be No. 1 and would have Kick RTE's ass.

30,000,000 is a drop in the water when it comes to making TV.

Elmo

197,000 was the highest for Ireland AM, how come I never seen it listed in the Top Twenty shows on TV3. There No. 20 is around 150,000 maybe only 100,000. Only resently did they get 200,000 during the week of Im a Celeb.

But Ted you proved my point, If TV3 put money into Irish TV during Prime Time then they would have a even bigger share and I wouldn't be giving out.

father_ted9t9

It was actually 397,000 for the Celeb final Elmo:)

Elmo

It was actually 397,000 for the Celeb final Elmo

ah

650,000 OR AROUND IS THE HIGHEST Coro St gets

Coro St is usually around 450,000 viewers.

father_ted9t9

eh no it was on this year!

Elmo

Sorry Ted but the PR news release are very very over the top on TV3 proganda.

Funny I thought that the celeb Jungle had more viewers then that

Highest ever ratings last year 197,000. Its amazing that this amount actually get up to watch it

eh no it was on this year!

Well Why didn't you say that?

Mr-X

Personally I think TV3 is the best we have of the 4 stations then Net2, Rte1 and TG4 Haha they show the odd good film in fairness. If TV3 did get a bigger cut in the licence fee RTE wouldn’t stand a chance…

father_ted9t9

With 30mill TG4 have been able to provide Programming and lots of it. Ros Na Run is made on only 5,000,000 euro (a good bit of their budget) this is tiny when it comes to drama (Just above 70,000 euro per episode), TV3 you have to start somewhere. Eamon Dunphy (How much was he paid) was to dear for a small company there are other people (unknowns) who would happily do that job on Saturday nights and give you 400,000 viewers.

Damn right they provide lots of programming, THEY HAVE 30 million man!! THIRTY MILLION Is a lot of money when it comes down to it, and i dont know where you are getting your idea that its not alot, or if you have ever bugeted a low budget programme.

70,000 per episode of Ros Na Run..HAHA Are ya joking me man! They now film for 5months a year for the whole years episodes and some of the Employees are soo underpaid that there was nearly strikes there over the past year, also the Employees including on screen talent HAVE SECOND JOBS, one of them(Guy from Shop) Is a road sweeper, and they were in so much financial difficulty this year that they have combined with s4c in Wales to co produce the programme, and introduce some welsh characters in to it!!! Dont know where youa re getting this info from man, but youve been mislead!

Dunphy was scrapped after a number of weeks because of the Ratings and the advertisers during the breaks dropping. THEY PULLED IT COS IT WAS COSTING TOO MUCH AND NOT MAKIN REVENUE! If they were to throw an unknown as you say "In" It would be very hard to get viewers or advertisers interested, unless there was a niche..Any ideas?

Look at TG4 and the type of programming it has made, not only the type but the way in which the are making the programmes

They make very little programming apart from Ros Na Run, Cleamhneas(Blind Date), Pop TG4 and a variety of (cheap) documentarys which are only re dubed to irish. Suil Eile indeed

Finally TG4 even in prime time get nowhere near the amount of viewers that every other station(Including TV3)gets so your point about them is nonense

Once again though you have failed tremendously to provide a solution to my original questions, but have suceeded in repeating yourself again..well done

Mr-X

Elmo,
You havent got a clue in fairness unless you work in the industry, I know peope that have worked on Ros Na Run and the money is REALLY bad!!!!

Elmo

Dunphy was scrapped after a number of weeks because of the Ratings and the advertisers during the breaks dropping. THEY PULLED IT COS IT WAS COSTING TOO MUCH AND NOT MAKIN REVENUE! If they were to throw an unknown as you say "In" It would be very hard to get viewers or advertisers interested, unless there was a niche..Any ideas?

So why didn't TV just go with new talent. After all they didn't get the viewers for Dunphy. They would have just aked the show after 13 weeks anyway.

They make very little programming apart from Ros Na Run, Cleamhneas(Blind Date), Pop TG4 and a variety of (cheap) documentarys which are only re dubed to irish.

Amu....
Fir Agus mna Na Heireann
An Arts Programme
7 La
Ardan
Cogar
GAA Beo
Rugbi Beo
Ard San Aer
Dubbing for Childrens Programming (Cula 4)
Short Films
Etc. Etc.

I am just point out how I fell about TV3 and how they have had a chance to change Irish TV and they haven't done that.

Elmo

Television Adspend for RTE One N2 and TV3 (Source www.medialive.ie)

TOTAL 2003 = €194,900,00
RTE = €144,190,000 est.
TV3 = €50,710,000 est.

Taking that

RTE One = 27.4 National share
N2 = 10.7 National share
TV3 = 13.4 National share

TG4 = 2.7 National share

Estimate on TG4 Adspend = €10,218,000

the total adspend for RTE AND TV3 is down on last year prehaps down to the number of UK channels providing advertising.

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by Elmo

Fir Agus mna Na Heireann - Revoiced Programme from RTE Library

An Arts Programme -
Produced By Rte as compulsory content to National Language channel

7 La - News From Throughout week(Like TV3's Week In Review)

Ardan - dont know it
Cogar - Dont know it
GAA Beo (They Have rights to it - TV3 show Eircom League, Champions League and Irish Internationals)
Rugbi Beo(Rights issue again got because of RTEand the irish side of things)
Ard San Aer - dont know it
Dubbing for Childrens Programming (All easily done in house as i said b4)(Cula 4)
Short Films( More film content output on tv3)
Etc. Etc.(Being ...what>?)

so what youve really pointed out is that they produce the gaa and rugby in irish from the license payers money, and without any of the money(except for a small amount as pointed out by earthman) they produce same amount of programming:)

so your point is....:D

Elmo

I like the way that you point out certain thing that I have said yet have forgot the money aspect of things.

I amn't looking for anything major from TV3 in the line of Prime Time TV what I am looking for is Prime Time TV from TV3.

I think TG4 do a very good job with the little money they have.

They have 30mil from the Irish Exchequer (not the licence fee), 6mil from RTE and maybe 10mil from Advertising (But since there not a very attractive station to advertise on I assume (ASSUME) that it is much less then this).

TV3 on the other hand have 50mil (perhaps more since they have a the 15 to 45 year old age group, there the magic numbers you know) yet most of the production is out side prime time plus that production is not anything major.

As you point out ted TV3 make the excellent Adgenda yet it is just a sunday morning show, its also cheaply made yet I am sure very popular with the aduience they have, Prime Time gets 400,000 viewers, why not allow Adgenda have this amount of viewers. (And before you say it a realise that Adgenda could never get 400,000 viewers they would be luck to get 200,000 viewers during prime time on TV3 but then thats much more then what TV3 generally gets out side of Coro St and Emmers).

Fir Agus mna Na Heireann - Revoiced Programme from RTE Library

This show is hosted by Cliona Ni Buallicha, its an one on one interview style programme.

7 La - News From Throughout week(Like TV3's Week In Review)

I beleive that this is more like TV3's Adgenda programme or RTE's Week in Politics, their other news programme Suil Siar is more like the Week in Review.

Ardan - dont know it
Cogar - Dont know it

Ardan - an hour long chat show
Cogar - a documentry series (not Fiorsceal their redubbed doco)

Why not comment on the 50mil. Why not give out about RTE. but When it comes to TG4 they are still doing a far superior job of make TV.

Ard San Aer - dont know it
Dubbing for Childrens Programming (All easily done in house as i said b4)(Cula 4)
Short Films( More film content output on tv3)

You seem to know very little about TG4.

Ard San Aer is a weekly sports programme
Dubbing of Cartoons is out sources as is most of the production on TG4
By short films I ment Irish short movies not American or British movies. They call these series of short films Lasair and Oscailte.

RTE must provide 1hr per day free of charge to TG4.

Elmo

TG4 is a Government initiative for public service broadcasting and is funded by the Exchequer. In 2002 the annual amount of current funding it received from the Exchequer was €21.8m. The programme provision it receives from RTÉ each year, at no cost to TG4, has been valued at €7.5m by RTÉ.

TG4 invests over €15m annually in original programming from the independant production sector in Ireland. This investment supports 350 posts in small private sector companies throughout the island.

TG4 (Teilifís na Gaeilge) was established under the statutory and corporate aegis of Radió Telefís Éireann (RTÉ). The Broadcasting Act 2001 allows for the establishment of TG4 as an independant statutory body.

From TG4 sport

As a publisher-broadcaster, TG4's coverage is outsourced. Programmes and facilities are commissioned programmes from independent companies.

father_ted9t9

ok Elmo, from your post finally im getting 2 things. Firstly

1. You know alot about TG4 and i dont

and like wise

2. I Know alot more about TV3 than you do.

This conversation could go on for Hundreds of more posts, but there seems to be no solution to either of our problems. I Feel you have a bit of a tie with TG4 and therefore you are going to be pro Tg4, same as i am pro TV3. I Look forward to reading the others comments on this whole thread, but as i havent got any straight answers from you yet on HOW to do all of your great ideas, im going to do the sensible thing and get on with my life without wasting my time with any more input.

Elmo

Dear Ted,

You are just not listening to me.

I amn't anti TV3 I am just disappoint at the way in which TV3 are going. Generally I am dissappointed the way Irish Television is going.

I prob don't know how do answer, what should TV3 do?

My only reply is, It does not make sence to me how they can provide 3hrs of television each morning and only provide Popcorn as there only Irish Content during prime time.

I am complete discusted at RTE since the took up EastEnders, I would have rather they kept Gelroe.

I think that TV3 could have provided something more but they didn't.

I don't feel that TV3 have give what the Irish people wanted and that is competition. TV3 don't provide very much competition to RTE thus RTE continue to produce the same old same old the TV charts remain static. Coro St, Fair City, Late Late and Winning Streak remain high in the charts. The only change there is that EastEnders has joined them. We needed a shake up really bad back in 1998 and what we got was TV3. A company that makes TV to fulfil it remit to the BCI.

What TV3 will do?

Prob just become ITV Eire. But I hope I am wrong.

Also while you seem to think you know lots about TV3 you have not show us this. Please and I am being nice here let me know what you know. I am interested.

Do reply. then maybe with the information that you give me you might be able to change my mind. Don't resort to name calling etc.

in relation to Earthman's comments and yours

1. Yes you were being a tiny nasty to me (i dont care)
2. Earthman like other board users never take on favorites.

Round Cable

The Underdogs on TG4 was the first Irish program I've watched in years, TG4 is ten steps above the rest, just look at their on screen logo.

Mr-X

Originally posted by Round Cable
The Underdogs on TG4 was the first Irish program I've watched in years, TG4 is ten steps above the rest, just look at their on screen logo.

What are we looking out for here??

watty

If you subtract the programming from TV3 that almost 100% of population can watch from UK, then TV3 would be about 2 to 3 hours a day tops.


TV3 does almost NOTHING for any minority interests, Ireland outside the "Pale" or English Speaking Irish Culture.

TG4 existance is no excuse for an Irish station (TV3) to do NO Irish (I speak none and never learnt any being from "North").


TG4 fullfills a valuable Public service role, that a purely commercial station would not do.


The News Mag TV AM in the morning, while the best home produced TV3 show (almost the only one), is heavily indulging more and more in "in program" advertising. All the text and phone in numbers are premium rate to make money, not really relevent programming. TV3 and Phonavation must make a packet out of that show.

More and more of the "magasine" articles are simply advertising promotions and not much informative.

A commercial TV station *is* there to make money, but as part of reponsibility of having a broadcast lincence, all Radio and TV must meet standards of culture, advertiseing, editorial independance and balance, rather than an accountant's percieved LCD "popular" money maker.

Irish TV generally has gone downhill seriously. All the stations need to really rethink. TG4 at least is closest to their "remit" or PSB charter.

In terms of Licence fee, there is a commitment to give ANY / ALL stations a proportion toward Irish production of suitable programming.

Morgans

As someone who wakes at 7 and with only 3 channels in my bedroom, I regularly watch the Ireland AM. I cant believe it is being labeled the best produced Irish program. I think everything about it looks cheap and to anyone familiar with how breakfast programs ideally should be developed, it is nothing short of a waste of time. I, in fact, in my 28th year have lately been turning over to Socky or Open House, as i find both more intellectually stimulating.

In the GMTV newshour, often topical guests are creating or adding to the previous days news are interviewed, and the news develops with the program. Not unlike Morning Ireland, i supporse. Andrew Gilligan's report was broadcasted at 6AM. TV3 - maybe by their location - arent attracting any worthwhile guests, (i'm surprised at how much is being invested in the prog) and while some (2 in particular) of the analysts are top class, it is generally just an iditic rehash of yesterday stories, with no reflection added, and passed off as current affairs. It is a sad state of affairs when this is classed as good television. Back to the radio for me.

The have a sky news style add with Alan cantwell and Claire Byrne about how successful their news is. I would have it on a par with 98fm or 104fm news. Fine in its place, but no reason to take themselves seriously. Most of the other prime time program are somewhat watcheable, but the general aura i feel about teh station, is one of a base, tacky, nature, centring around the quick buck. (Its a commercial station, nothing wrong with that) but not concerned on the production of quality television. Agenda the only possible program excluded. Where is 20/20 gone - a program which began with teh station but was left go after a season.

RTE have had many failings but at least they are trying with some success.

Mr-X

"If you subtract the programming from TV3 that almost 100% of population can watch from UK, then TV3 would be about 2 to 3 hours a day tops"

Almost 100% of the population where did you get this figure, I think you'll find a lot of people still only have 4 channels if even that especially in rural parts of Ireland, and what about the people who just cant afford Cable or Sky should we discriminate them because we can afford these services, maybe they might like watching these program’s and they can’t get them any where else. Keep it up TV3 you rock…

watty

over 70% get ITV now.

100% can get BBC without subscription (once off 200 Euro).

ITV may be FTA in 9months.

Why should spectrum, resources, money, advertising be wasted on a regional clone of a UK station.

Why did we bother becoming an independant Republic then?



No, taking the bigger picture Irish TV has turned into a disaster, and the most disasterous irrelevent part of it is TV3.

Is the sole value of TV3 that it is the same thing as UK TV on Chorus/NTL but cheaper for viewer?

Mr-X

As I said above a lot of people can't afford Cable or Sky, so they don’t know what’s on the UK channels TV3 offers them something different.

Mr-X

"Why did we bother becoming an independent Republic then?"

What’s this got to do with Television??
:rolleyes:

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by Mr-X
What’s this got to do with Television??
:rolleyes:

good question. please keep this on topic please

watty

There is not (IMO) much point in a TV channel that reflects mores and culture purely of a foriegn country. If TV3 was in Berkshire and had English presenters it would not be out of place.

Of course certain parts of Dublin *ARE* just like living in Britain (having lived in one such area for about a year, and both Great Britain, NI, Co. Clare and Middle East for significant periods I beleive I'm somewhat qualified to make a comparison).

Media is an important Cultural influence. Our "nationhood" and culture (both English speaking AND Irish speaking, also "Catholic" and "Protestant" and other newer influxes) are ABSOLUTELY central to judging the content of Irish TV.

The fact is MORE people can in theory get BBC than TV3 because they arn't on enough (or wern't) repeaters.

TV3 is NOT free on Satellite. BBC is.

TV3 is free on about 86% only of Terrestrial reception, other people don't get it. The very high proportion of viewers with Chorus, NTL or Sky Family pack don't use the Free off Air.

But *BECUASE* TV3 is the free local *IRISH* station, not the imported "pay TV" version of ITV, it should be an Irish Station. (I'm not talking about Language Gaelge). It is the *LEAST* Irish station the State has ever had. It is effectively simply "Irish Branding" of yet another "Granada Franchise"

A terribly wasted oppertunity for the newest TV channel. It does not fill one with good expectations for any future new Digital Platform Irish Channels.

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by Morgans
...Ireland AM. I cant believe it is being labeled the best produced Irish program.

No one said it was the Best Irish Produced Programme!

Originally posted by Morgans
...In the GMTV newshour, often topical guests are creating or adding to the previous days news are interviewed, and the news develops with the program. Not unlike Morning Ireland, i supporse. Andrew Gilligan's report was broadcasted at 6AM. TV3 - maybe by their location - arent attracting any worthwhile guests, (i'm surprised at how much is being invested in the prog) and while some (2 in particular) of the analysts are top class, it is generally just an iditic rehash of yesterday stories, with no reflection added, and passed off as current affairs. It is a sad state of affairs when this is classed as good television. Back to the radio for me.

Ok so GMTV Use Guests from Previous days news, but....TV3 is just an iditic rehash of yesterdays stories...hmmm.... correct me please, but this is same thing friend. Tell ya what why dont TV3 send 10 crews out between 2am till 6am to make stories up for ya, will that be ok??

"I'M Suprised at how much is investted in the Programme" eh read the previous posts before makin sily comments, I Said earlier it costs very little to make the programme...sheeesh!!

Originally posted by Morgans
...Where is 20/20 gone - a program which began with teh station but was left go after a season.

Was on for 3 years man, were ya asleep? It served its cause and was mainly bought in material apart for 1 section. Agenda took the Budget from it

Elmo

"I'M Suprised at how much is investted in the Programme" eh read the previous posts before makin sily comments, I Said earlier it costs very little to make the programme...sheeesh!!

If there so cost effective with their morning show, which gets the highest amount of viewers for that time of day. Could they not be cost effective with there prime time output, and prehaps get the highest viewing figures for that time of day. Or perhaps you expect me to get up at 7 and watch that show.

Was on for 3 years man, were ya asleep? It served its cause and was mainly bought in material apart for 1 section. Agenda took the Budget from it

Did agenda and 20/20 not run for a year together?
Where there not internal probs at TV3 thus the reason for 20/20 being aked mid season?

Also I see Adgenda is now a TV3 production what happened the indo production company behind it?

father_ted9t9

Originally posted by Elmo
If there so cost effective with their morning show, which gets the highest amount of viewers for that time of day. Could they not be cost effective with there prime time output, and prehaps get the highest viewing figures for that time of day. Or perhaps you expect me to get up at 7 and watch that show.

Jesus man, let the prime thing go!! As i said in a reply to you earlier in the forum, it costs little to make it, but youve just noticed it this time..hmmm.interestin:)Itll be alright in the end, i know the name of a good counseller if ya would like the name..think ya should man! Dont worry about gettin up at 7 either, its on till 10 i'm sure you can see it after 9.

Originally posted by Elmo

Did agenda and 20/20 not run for a year together?
Where there not internal probs at TV3 thus the reason for 20/20 being aked mid season?.

No they did not, and there was no problems mid season, the reason it was axed was cos the ratings were atrocious for the time and date it was on. Also there was too much american stories in it. Fair enough they show american progs on 3 but if ya wanna see american news too turn on NBC or CNN., and if they had of kept putting out the american stories, people like you would have had a field day about "Not enough irish" or " Blah Blah More Irish" or maybe "Too International not enuf irish..." Ya get my drift

Originally posted by Elmo
Also I see Adgenda is now a TV3 production what happened the indo production company behind it?

Jesus man, for a person who seems to know all about "Internal Probs" In TV3, its actually quite amazing how much you dont know. The production company called "Fastnet was run by a guy called John Kellegher. Hes now Film censor in ireland..ya know the guy who's name is on bottom of cinema screen with the classification

Originally posted by father_ted9t9
, i know the name of a good counseller if ya would like the name..think ya should man! Dont worry about gettin up at 7 either, its on till 10 i'm sure you can see it after 9.

For heavens sake,this is my second warning on the personal abuse, there will not be a third-cut it out please.
You are doing a good job presenting your case without it thank you.