Fitz tonight

MrPudding

Anyone going tonight? Henry Gratten at 8ish?

MrP

kencleary

Hopefully I'll be able to show up to meet some of you guys before Saturday's game - Will depend on work though

Iago

Anyone going to Fireworks for 6-6:30?

Would like to meet up with you before Saturday but won't be able to make it to the Fitz unfortunately. I've a previous commitment for later.

Might be able to make the Henry Grattan for a while if nobody fancies a game of pool..

Lafortezza

I should be in the Henry G by 8pm or so, see you guys there

DeVore

Addicted as I am, I'm in. Was supposed to be going to my godchilds school's table quiz in Swords but its cancelled due to poor weather.

DeV.

mewso

I'm going to be different and go as well. I'll be in the Barney Murphys from 8.30 so cyas in the Fitz Gratten heads. Any difficulty with numbers recently? Luke had mentioned limiting the tourney to 5 tables or something.

Lafortezza

Best get into the fitz by 9 at the latest to sign up in that case.
I think Luke had a problem with people coming late in the past few weeks. I don't mean people coming before the "last 3 hands for buy-ins", I mean people arriving after play has started to join in for free.

mewso

Yeah we're planning on registering about 8.30 and going across the road for a pint or two.

Iago

ok, so is anyone going to fireworks or are you all meeting in grattans?

How will I know you? Do I just look for the obvious troublemakers :>

DeVore

I'm gonna meet in the Grattan because its too foul a night to head down to the Fireworks. I'll be wearing a deep red v-neck "Kickers" jumper and we'll be talking about cards

DeV.

kencleary

So anyone win a ticket?

I was knocked out right after the freezeout - Went all in with middle pair on the flop but got knocked out to that same middle pair with a better kicker. Though I did win €25 on roulette which made the night worthwhile

Lafortezza

Well I finished about 12th last night, I got knocked out just before the last table formed. No rebuys thankfully this week.

Early on I got shunted off to the very corner table, the little round one away from all the others, with Chris pudding, that big american guy (who apparently is from Kerry), Norman, and a few other guys.

There was one poor n00b who didn't have a clue and came to the table with a monster stack. We took it in turns to clean him out, he didn't like missing flops, myself and the american/kerry guy were at least a bit apologetic once we realised he was an ubern00b, but Norman just went after him all guns blazing.

After the freezeout, I got pocket bullets, I raised to 2000, norman went all in and I couldn't get my chips in fast enough.
he had AK, me AA, and he got no help from nowhere.
Moved tables then, got few decent pockets that allowed me to overbet the flop and steal the pot.
Then went on a bad run and wasn't getting anything but marginals, J-9, K-7, 3-3
my chips got blinded away.

I did however do my first bluff ever in the Fitz!
the flop and turn were all clubs, I had no clubs, no pair, no straight possibilites, I went all in for about 7000, Samson (I think!) had bet the flop so I put him on top or middle pair, but he folded after a long think. woo!

Hyzepher

congrats on your 1000th post

Hyzepher

Samson

Originally posted by lafortezza
I did however do my first bluff ever in the Fitz!
the flop and turn were all clubs, I had no clubs, no pair, no straight possibilites, I went all in for about 7000, Samson (I think!) had bet the flop so I put him on top or middle pair, but he folded after a long think. woo!

I'll have to remember that one.

As for my night, well, I had a few lucky escapes but managed to get to the final table with a playable stack (about 20,000).
But then I went and completely fucked up (again):
First hand, I was dealt a pair of jacks, and as the flop was about to come the dealer spilled some of the cards from the bottom of the deck (amongst which were an ace, a king and a queen), Luke was called over and decided that as the cards were from the bottom of the deck we would play the hand. I was suprised at this but I got some good information.
Flop comes Qxx and I raised 5,000 with two callers, one of whom seem to be a bit inexperienced; turn brought a two, so I raised again, one pass and one call. River cars was another two so I reckoned (correctly) that he was just on top pair (I felt it unlikely he could have pocket queens as one was on the board and one was in the muck).
I went all in, trying to bully him off the pot, praying he wouldn't call. But, after a long think he did, turning over KQ giving him queens and twos, which beat my jacks and twos.
Out I went, with my head hung in shame.

I really need to control my insane urges.

Lafortezza

Originally posted by Samson
one of whom seem to be a bit inexperienced;

The two guys either side of me, to Samsons left, seemed very inexperienced. One of them was seeing every single flop almost, was trying to muck his cards when he was big blind with no raises on the table. Both of them tended to raise for the amount of the big blind, and one guy never really knew if he had won or not when the cards were turned over!
I think the term loose passive applied!

Although both of them still did better than I did :dunno:

Krusty_Clown

Lafortezza: was trying to muck his cards when he was big blind with no raises on the table

Yep, I've a feeling that may have been me (or at least I'm certainly one of those noobs!)..
Blue-shirt, seat 9... What seat were you in?

Made some real blunders, I must confess! Went out in around 10th place, but purely down to the luck of the cards... No re-buys, one top-up...

Still, was a very enjoyable introduction to tournaments (with real people).. Went home with an extra €60 in my pocket from the blackjack table..

Any tells for me?

Lafortezza

Originally posted by Krusty_Clown
Yep, I've a feeling that may have been me (or at least I'm certainly one of those noobs!)..
Blue-shirt, seat 9... What seat were you in?
Made some real blunders, I must confess! Went out in around 10th place, but purely down to the luck of the cards... No re-buys, one top-up...
Still, was a very enjoyable introduction to tournaments (with real people).. Went home with an extra €60 in my pocket from the blackjack table..
Any tells for me?

I was seat 8, just to your right. Sorry! Didn't mean to insult you, just a bit annoyed with myself that I didn't do better myself after a good start!
You did pretty damn well for your first time, when I was at that table there was some good players at the end opposite us. Vivian (old guy with beard) is about as unpredictable as Norman, if not so all-in crazy. There was one or two cash players there too.

Must remember to watch what I type in future, the Fitz is filled with Boards people!!

Krusty_Clown

Lafortezza: Sorry! Didn't mean to insult you.

You didn't! I was wearing my noobie badge with pride, and advertising the fact at every possible opportunity .
Biggest blunder of the night (there were a few): Was on big blind, which had just gone up to 800 (I think), looked around the table, and saw a few pinks, and for some reason, was convinced that there had been a raise in to me.. Holding 43o, tried to dump the hand, but the dealer (kind-heart!) advised me not too, as I was fully paid up....

Of course, to Samson's detriment (sorry!), the flop came up 675, to make a straight..
D'oh!

One of them was seeing every single flop almost, was trying to muck his cards when he was big blind with no raises on the table. Both of them tended to raise for the amount of the big blind, and one guy never really knew if he had won or not when the cards were turned over!

So, was that me?

Lafortezza

Originally posted by Krusty_Clown

So, was that me?

Nope, different guy, but since everyone who was in the Fitz last night is reading this I'm not saying any more. :ninja:

DeVore

Krusty_Clown... you _are_ the old skool quake player I know, right? (just wondering if I'm mistaking you for someone else).

I had a table full of n00bs. Nice guys but in the first 25 minutes of the 10/25 blinds, we got 5 maybe 6 hands played.

I played KQ for 200 and then raised big when the flop came Qjx, guy called me and ended up he had AJ and pulled an Ace on the river with us both in. That was the first hand. Rebuy! The second hand brought me JJ and I bet about 400. 77 hit a 7 on the 873 flop and it was rebuy time again. Then I started to play better (and get better cards) until I went in with AQ and hit Q22 which I like but end up getting creamed by a total n00b with 52d. I asked him why he'd played and he said "but their of-suit!". :rolleyes:
That guy couldnt stop hitting things all night and was very honest about his skills. Nice bloke, very green but omg was he lucky!

When they formed two tables I was down to 2000 and made a decent stab at a stand on K10d (partly trying to steal the blinds) but came to nothing. I figured I'd either steal, hit lucky and double through or at least I'd be home in time to watch the finals of Late Night Poker (fnckin classic it was too!).

DeV.

Krusty_Clown

I played a good bit of Quake online years ago, but their was another Irish guy using the same nick, so I've a feeling that it was more likely him..

Was the 52d guy bald? Just wondering...

Lafortezza

Originally posted by Krusty_Clown
Was the 52d guy bald? Just wondering...

Was that the tall bald guy who was asked to stop smoking?

Krusty_Clown

Nah.. I'm thinking of a different bald guy... Doesn't smoke...
Doesn't play Texas Hold'em either.

Samson

Originally posted by Krusty_Clown
Of course, to Samson's detriment (sorry!), the flop came up 675, to make a straight..
D'oh!

I remember thinking I was a cert for the pot after you went to fold.
Can you remember what I had, I can't actually remember myself?*
:dunno:

These are the things that make the game such fun though.




*I know I had a good pair (kings/queens?), but did I hit a third?

Krusty_Clown

I think if youd hit a third, there would have been alot more money in the pot, right?
(Of course, that might be giving me credit for skills that I definitely didn't possess on the night!)

DeVore

Krusty, did you play for nD (and go to Uni. Limerick)?

The 52d guy was short and a bit timid.

DeV.

kencleary

Originally posted by DeVore


The 52d guy was short and a bit timid.

DeV.

That was the same guy who knocked me out right after he took a huge chunk of your stack with his 3 twos

DeVore

Thats right, he couldnt miss all night. I was talking to him at the second last table after he lost on J5 and I told him I probably wouldnt have played J5 in the first place. I explain why (cos he was surprised) and he nods and agrees politely etc...

Very next hand he loses again. J5 again! I look at him and he looks at me kinda sheepishly and says "I know, I just like it!"

DeV.

Krusty_Clown

DeVore: Krusty, did you play for nD (and go to Uni. Limerick)?

Nope. Not I.

Davey Devil

I know I should have more patience with the n00bs but that sort of play (J,5) really pisses me off. These guys might do well with a bit of luck but in the long run they will never succeed playing that sort of ****e. Glad I wasn't in there last night cause I hate when sum fecker keeps hitting long odds shots. I did the same thing the other week as you DeV(giving advice).

The player to my right was picking up his hands and I could clearly see what he was holding. So I said to him that I could see his hand and advised him to keep his cards on the table. Very next hand he was doing it again - are these people stupid

Anyway he was out soon after no suprises there. Maybe these guys should have to pass some sort of test before they are allowed play - actually no, let them play and we'll take all there chips.;)

krattapopov

you too were a noob at some stage davey..... until i thought you everything you know

the noobs will learn soon enough!

Davey Devil

Hahaha Kratta...I'm afraid it was Late Night Poker who thought me everything I know and not forgeting my good friend the Internet.

krattapopov

thats it, im not your freind anymore

mewso

The annoying thing about these guys is that they are worse than noobs. They dont seem to understand the game at all.
Two classics last night.

1. Flop 4 4 5 - Guy goes all-in. Called by player x we'll say. Cards over. Bettor has 6 7 (str8 draw), fair enough. Caller has 7 2. Last 2 cards 5 2 I think. Split pot on 2 pair with a 7 each. Absolutely unbelievable.
2. My mate got kocked out when he went all-in with AQs for 10000 when blinds were 800 - caled by big blind who has......wait for it 10 3 o. Hits a pair of 3s.

gerire

So did any of you win a ticket? tsk tsk

A friend of mine was there and came 6th with 5 getting tickets. Tallish guy with dark hair. He's a newish player and will play a lot and bet a bit waiting for cards. So if anybody has any stories on him they would be appreciated as he is in need of a decent slagging at the moment.

Samson

Originally posted by gerire
So did any of you win a ticket? tsk tsk

A friend of mine was there and came 6th with 5 getting tickets. Tallish guy with dark hair. He's a newish player and will play a lot and bet a bit waiting for cards. So if anybody has any stories on him they would be appreciated as he is in need of a decent slagging at the moment.

It was actually 4 tickets for the last Thursday of the month €250 game, plus 5th place getting a ticket to any Monday night €100 game.

I think I was the only boards person to make the final table, but as I was not around very long (went out first hand, see my first post in this thread) I can't comment on how anyone else played.

mickste

First time on boards actually replying but have been reading the poker column for some time.

On thursday had spent 30 euro on rebuys in the first half hour.another ten for the top up and about a half hour after the freeze out had 800 when the big blind was 800. looked doom and gloom when i recieved 9,8 off suit. Force3d to go all in and guy beside me throws up pocket aces , couple of other callers with a,k j,j etc.
Flop comes and recieve two nines. disbelief around the table as they held on and i was back in the game. Half an hour later had 46,000 in chips and realised i was seond in terms of chips only to that guy who hit everything all night that others were talking about. When final table came knew i didn't have to play and let a few others knock each other out. got a ticket and was delighted.

One question though during the final game i was the small blind at 1000-2000. had aj suited and decided to play. threw in my other 1000 when there was no raises but the dealer who wasn't a fitz dealer( but was a decent bloke) picked up my cards from behind the line. I was shocked and explained and pointed to my chips that i called. Viv explained to me that it was a 'dead hand'! .f that that dead hand would of won when the flop and turn came down. I was ready to explode but tried to keep calm as i knew that if i got pi**ed off i would start betting stupidely. Can anyone explain the dead hand rule and what would u of done in my position or is there any come back at all?:cool:

DeVore

Its the dealers error that he picked up your cards and deadened them (meaning, they touched other cards).

However you should put your cards behind your chips (or better still put a chip on your cards or a lucky trinket or something) so that the dealer wont take your cards.

DeV.

Lafortezza

Originally posted by mickste
One question though during the final game i was the small blind at 1000-2000. had aj suited and decided to play. threw in my other 1000 when there was no raises but the dealer who wasn't a fitz dealer( but was a decent bloke) picked up my cards from behind the line. I was shocked and explained and pointed to my chips that i called. Viv explained to me that it was a 'dead hand'! .f that that dead hand would of won when the flop and turn came down. I was ready to explode but tried to keep calm as i knew that if i got pi**ed off i would start betting stupidely. Can anyone explain the dead hand rule and what would u of done in my position or is there any come back at all?:cool:

EDIT: Just realised that it was dealer error instead of anything you did. Sometimes you'll be allowed to take back your hand (especially pre-freezeout) if your cards were easily identifiable and nobody had any objections, just out of the interests of fairness.
But Dev's correct, technically if any cards touch the muck then they are considered 'dead'.
If you ever have any problems though at the table, don't be afraid to call Luke the floor manager. He's always happy to explain through any rules.

MrPudding

I have been at a table where this happened and Luke was called. The result- The dealer made a mistake and that is sad. If you don't have something on your cards too bad. It sucks but thems the rules.

MrP

mickste

i'll remember my lucky charms next time then.

MrPudding

Originally posted by mickste
i'll remember my lucky charms next time then.

I am guilty of not covering my cards myself. I have thought about it but have decided against it on the grounds that I think there is a greater risk from me developing a tell than from losing good cards from a dealers mistake.

MrP

Lafortezza

Originally posted by MrPudding
I have been at a table where this happened and Luke was called. The result- The dealer made a mistake and that is sad. If you don't have something on your cards too bad. It sucks but thems the rules.
MrP

Could you imagine something like this happened if it was a crucial stage in a tournament, if you were all-in at the final table for a ticket, or even worse at the final table in the €250 game, and a dealer error cost you money!

mickste

good point mr pudding, but you're tell is not playing anything worse than a,10!
seriously though u are right if u do start placing charms or chips or whatever then u are giving a greater chance of a tell away.

some players do have tells and a few boards people do too that i have noticed.
That gut on thursday that hit everything was too unrpedictable as tom saw. he was just as calm going all in with a two threes as he was with a full house. He called nearly everything though even on the final table, but fair play to him his strategy worked.

Davey devil and myself have numerous arguements over this sort of play and i agree in the long run u will get burnt but if u are playing with new people for the first time playing a bit irrationally will give u an edge. I deliberately showed some crap hands that i went all in with so as to lure people later on after the freezout. this can be risky but i feel it can give u a good edge against the better players later on .

Any musings?? anyone??

DeVore

Yer man was a total newb and admitted it readily (he kept apologising to me during the night). Nice bloke but his strategy seemed to be to see most flops and get lucky and then play passively. Both the flaw in his logic and the key to his success that night was his sheer, ungodly, unbelievable luck! He hit so many flops he was raking it in. I thought he'd have exited once the blinds began to bite but apparently not! Did he win a ticket in the end?? In some ways I hope he did... he was Twoflower the Tourist at the poker table that night... nice bloke so I think it would be funny to see him at the 270 game!

DeV.

casper-

Originally posted by mickste
Davey devil and myself have numerous arguements over this sort of play and i agree in the long run u will get burnt but if u are playing with new people for the first time playing a bit irrationally will give u an edge. I deliberately showed some crap hands that i went all in with so as to lure people later on after the freezout. this can be risky but i feel it can give u a good edge against the better players later on .

Any musings?? anyone??

I'm kinda curious about this myself ... the two nights I've gone to the Fitzwilliam I played ultra-tight (Mr-Pudding style ) and the second I'd bet anything at all when we had gone through 15 hands, I'd have most of the people folding immediately. At the same time, I did manage to last a lot longer than most of them without having to buy-in .... so what is the best strategy? Do you have to purposely lose a couple of hands and show bad cards to be able to draw more money out of people later on?

mickste

defo. drawing people in is part of it. in the fitz playing with new people and especially the older ones, playing irrationally irritates them. next time they are thinking about what u have they are'nt able to read u as good.

After a while though this play will get u in big trouble!

:ninja:

Lafortezza

I think there's 2 ways to play the fitz on a thursday.
1) Your normal tight poker game. Bet the good pocket cards, see flops with marginal hands if its cheap, if you flop a monster (house, flush, nut straight) play it for value, don't be afraid of someone going all in, pre-freezeout the may be trying to bully so if you've got a decent hand think about calling.

If you play this way you will get a tight table image, which you can use to semi-bluff, steal blinds, do a big 72offsuit bluff, or at least scare people off pots and get heads up with someone.

2) Channel the Norman! Bring €50 in your pocket and be prepared to blow it prefreezeout. You've a chance of building a monster stack that'll set you up in getting to the last table. If you think you're ahead on the flop, push all-in. If you think someone is weak, pus all-in and win the hand by them folding or by eventually getting the best hand.
If you get a decent big stack try stealing the blinds if you're in late position.

Of course after the freezeout you should go back to playing sensible poker. If you watch Norman or any of the "crazy players" they switch to a much tighter game late on, but they still retain their loose image and can lure people into calling when they have a big hand.

All imho.