The one thing that should NEVER have been in VOY

User45701

The weird planet where everything moves very fast and so do the people who live there - By Naiomi Wildman

That planet makes no sence because in the few days that voyager was there the planet advanced from cavemen to tech more advanced tech than that of voyagers. Its now been over a year since voyager left that planet in therey that specis could now that a fleet of over 1,000,000,000 ships because for them so much time has passed.

Also if the borg ever found that planet they would probbley end up ruling the galaxy.

BuffyBot

It's probably stopped existing by now. It's time ran out.

Stark

Probably destroyed themselves in some nuclear conflict or something.

User45701

Ye i supose, There could also have been a supernova in that system

stormkeeper

I thought that was quite a good episode, but then I do have an interest in history. Something about that planet defies the laws of many things though, but I suppose it could be possible under certain conditions...

Da_cOmRaDe_MiKe

but then again its JUST star trek....

in my opinion the only thing that should NEVER EVER have been in voyager is THAT ****ING BITCH JANEWAY! UGH! I RULE THE DAY....

/me stands afar shaking fist rapidly through air!

User45701

The needed a token female captin. Mabe seven should have been cast for captain.

Kevok

There are way waaay worse episodes.

Off the top of my head... Demon (i think) where the whole crew is cloned by that silver goo. And Threshold where Tom breaks the warp 10 barrier (which is infinite speed btw he could have been at earth on a whim), and evolves, yes evolves into a salamander. Oh and Janeway has his babies.

Raphael

the one thing that shouldnt have been in voyager was a good plotline. wait......sorry thats what SHOULD have been in voyager

Lawdie

Well no matter how bad it got in Voyager, it still did not hit rock bottom....


That title goes to every Enterprise episode I've seen

User45701

I thought there was a few good enterpise episodes.
U left out the voyager episode where chakotay was in some weird mind thing and he was haveing a boxing match with some guy.

Stark

Yeah that was dire. It could have been a good episode too. Voyager does well when it's exploring scientific possiblities that often you don't even hear about in scientific papers till years later. Chaotic space is an interesting concept, and a month or two ago they found evidence supporting its existence (pocket universes).

Then again, season 1 - punching their way out through a hole in the event horizon of a black hole. FFS. Let's just hope those first two seasons can somehow be written off.

Kevok

Funnily enough I always felt that the earlier seasons of voyager held the most potential.

They should have explored the maquis/starfleet relationship a little more, and I always enjoyed when Seska was on the show.

vibe666

with regard to thr warp 10 thing, didn't the series finale of TNG have them doing warp 13 or 14? the one with picard jumping to 3 different timeframes, and they put an extra warp nacell [sp?] in the centre of the enterprise.

wasn't sure if they ever really explained exactly how fast 'warp' was. does anyone have anything that would give a comparison with known speeds/distances?

User45701

It was warp 13 so ye i dosent make much sence. Mabe in the future they can travel faster than warp 9.99999 but NOT break the infinite speed barrior

also regarding warp 10 in voyager it made NO SENCE!!!!!
WORST EPISODE OF VOYAGER!!!!!

Think about it paris and janeway where transformed and then made human again. Why didnt the whole of voyager just go to warp 10 arrive at earth in about 0.1 seconds. Then treat themselves so they dont transform. There home problem solved

Stark

Exactly, or don't bother going to Warp 10, just Warp 9.99999999 or something. Besides it should take infinite energy to achieve Warp 10. The episode made no sense.

Warp 13 is a transwarp speed. Apparently the graph is divided into regions with tangent curves.

vibe666

i don't recall the TNG finale having any reference to transwarp or anything similar. riker just said 'set a course for xxx (don't remember) warp 13' like it was just any other warp number. don't think they even bothered with different special effects or anything. might be wrong though.

bizmark

Any irish ep and the warp 10 ****

people that wrote them should be shot

User45701

They where shot.

Kevok

The fair haven episodes?

There have been far worse skits of us than that. The episode of Relic Hunter I saw where she went to Trinity College, and they made Dublin look like a backwards country village.

At least Fairhaven had the right colour post boxes!

User45701

Bizmark i noticed that you are Currently useing a old P2 256mhz 64meg pc66 pos till my pc gets back from repairs. - I feel sorry for you
Guess that game of Bridge commander will have to wait.

Kevok i supose your right.

Mabe if we are luckey all the episodes of Voyager we dont like will not be included in the DVDs and we can all just pretend that it never happened, Ah i ove a good conspiracy.

BuffyBot

Fairhaven?

Does no one remember the travestly of the TNG episode about the clones on one colony and the "Irish" on the other.

It was the worst ever!

Fairhaven was nothing compared to this!

Stark

yes, I posted about it the other day, POS.

bizmark

Originally posted by Kevok
The fair haven episodes?

There have been far worse skits of us than that. The episode of Relic Hunter I saw where she went to Trinity College, and they made Dublin look like a backwards country village.

You mean it isnt ?

Bizmark i noticed that you are Currently useing a old P2 256mhz 64meg pc66 pos till my pc gets back from repairs. - I feel sorry for you

I couldnt play pong on this pos pc :dunno:

User45701

Once when my pc died i had to use a old 16 meg ram dell cant remember how many mhz or HD space it had but omg it was bad. - I was able to surf the net on a External 33k modem *shudders* and i think lemings would work on it but that was all.

bizmark

Thankfuly i have Win xp i could install on this pc so i can use broadband ......Other wise id be stuck useing 52k.....man

Kevok

Geez bizmark, BC withdrawal getting bad? Can you even visit the FEDS site on that machine? Or would Jesse's images kill it?

As for the TNG episode, it was never specifically said they were irish (was it ) but it was really awful.

bizmark

Jesses uber images would destroy this pc m8 ......And theirs no hope in hell this could run muiltplayer bc

Ah well.......Uf shall get its ass kicked soon enough MUHAHAHAH....etc etc

BuffyBot

As for the TNG episode, it was never specifically said they were irish (was it ) but it was really awful.

I can't remember exactly, but they sure weren't Russians

Kevok

They could have been, it is 400 or so years in the future..............




















yeah i know.

bizmark

every one and their dog know's they where ment to be irish......mostly seeming the backword ****s leader said to o'brian "i knew it would be a irish man running this ship"

User45701

It was quite funny when thwe irish leader guy wanted a drink with more "bite" and then he tried a klingon drink (was it bloodwine)

Woden

Originally posted by k.oriordan
Exactly, or don't bother going to Warp 10, just Warp 9.99999999 or something. Besides it should take infinite energy to achieve Warp 10. The episode made no sense.

well going by todays physics it should take infinite energy to accelerate something to the speed of light which star trek smashs routinely by warping space or whatever, so with regards to them breaking a supposedly unbreakable barrier sure we're always trying to do that, didn't people think we couldn't break the sound barrier before.

User45701

Ithink the cencept of folding space to achive faster that light rpopulation is more plausable than simply having the power to move faster than the speed of light in a warp core.

Stark

The warp core counteracts the increase in mass due to relativity.

They also used to concept in a non faster-than-light travel sense in a TNG episode where they have to tow a huge asteroid, and in the first DS9 where they use the warp field to reduce the mass of the space ship so thrusters would have more effect.

Woden

reducing the mass is irrelevant though it still takes infinite energy to accelerate even some of the smallest pieces of matter to light speed such an electron on what not, my point is anyway if your willing to believe in the first place barriers can be broken i don't see why you can't think they could go through warp 10

Kevok

From the EU and series, I'm of the impression, that warp 10 is actually the unachievable barrier.

Simply put, you can go the smallest decimel of 9 (i.e 9.9999999 ad infinatum) but to reach warp 10, infinite speed, where you exist simultaneously in every point in the universe, requires infinite energy. This is impossible. There cannot be infinite energy.

Transwarp is obviously the way around this, the amount of energy needed to get transwarp speeds with normal warp propulsion is astronomical, so obviously transwarp has it's own scale with a different energy/speed. Unfortunately theres no mention of any facts about transwarp other than it's fast, and uses corridors.

User45701

With about 50 omega particles it would in therey be enough to acelerate a ship to warp 10.

Woden

Originally posted by Kevok
From the EU and series, I'm of the impression, that warp 10 is actually the unachievable barrier.

Simply put, you can go the smallest decimel of 9 (i.e 9.9999999 ad infinatum) but to reach warp 10, infinite speed, where you exist simultaneously in every point in the universe, requires infinite energy. This is impossible. There cannot be infinite energy.

its completely analogous then to the current theory of special rel. where you can accelerate particles to 0.999999 whatever times c. i see your point then about it being ridculous for them to get to warp 10 but its still a nice idea.

50omega particles no its still not infinite energy

bizmark

Warp drive works by Passing high energy warp plasma though the warp feild coils in the naccels creating a warp bubble in which the ship travels outside normal space time (Ie the ship isnt traveling at warp space itself is).

And im sure someday the fed will be able to break warp 10.......its just so unbleavable that 1 small ship could do what the whole fed couldnt in 2 weeks

User45701

Bah warp 10.
Transwarp and artffical worm holes are the way to go

Stark

They gave up on quantum slipstream pretty quickly. I mean they could have done a shuttle bus service to get everyone home using the Delta Flyer.

Like that bit in the simpsons:

Marge: "How are we going to get maggie out of the bathroom?"
Homer: "I'll try opening the lock with this coathanger"
Homer: "Didn't work, now what are we going to do?"
Lisa: "I just got her out"
Marge: "How?"
Lisa: "I tried the coathanger again, I can't understand why we only try ideas once".

Sums it all up really

User45701

I dont remember that episode, odd not like me to miss them. Now im scared

Yes the slipstream although it dosent work over long distences it could still shorten trips from one side of the federation to another. Then the hull is so damaged from using slipstream that that ship cant use it again.

Stark

It wasn't that it damaged all hulls, just that Voyagers hull
a) wasn't designed for slipstream
b) they were basically hacking the warp core to make it function as a slipstream drive rather than building a proper slipstream drive
c) Voyager wasn't manouverable enough to cope easily with the phase imbalances, the delta flyer was.
d) If voyager's crew can come close, then a team of top federation scientists should have no trouble.

User45701

I thought that they got it to work fine no trouble (it was in 2 different episodes)

In one episode half of it is in the [present and half in the future. - in that episode it failed

In an earlyier episode they took the tech from the alien who wanted to deliver voyager to the borg. Then at the end of the episode they used the tech to travel great distence but couldent go any further because it wasent safe on the hull to use it anymore

Stark

Ah yeah, that was a very early version of the drive. They improved it for the second version which eliminated stress on the hull but had a phase imbalance problem, for which they had the delta flyer flying ahead to provide early corrections. Problem was Ensign kim couldn't keep up with the calculations.

bizmark

Which along with trying to shag every girl Dead borg human or alien on the ship explans why he was never promoted

User45701

They said they didnt promote him because there is limited room for expansion on a starship like voyager but when paris was a ensign for a year could they not have promoted harry?

BuffyBot

Originally posted by User45701
They said they didnt promote him because there is limited room for expansion on a starship like voyager but when paris was a ensign for a year could they not have promoted harry?

Discrimination! Sue Starfleet (well, he could if money was still in use )