is generals good or bad?

Adrian

yes or no?

azezil

yeah its certainly good OR bad :rolleyes:

Funky

its playable , the micro in it is too hectic and fast paced though and seems less skillful than say warcraft 3

User45701

Its a good CnC game but not anywhere near as good as say CnC Tiberian sun

bizmark

er yes or no ? how are you meant to answer a question about if the game is good or bad with yes or no ?

Generals is the best command and conqure game i have played

and i have played them all

C and C 1 on the pc and playstation
C and c 2 on the pc and playstation
C and C tibarn sun on the pc
C and C red alert 2 on the pc
C and C generals on the pc

all i need is zero hour

Woden

i didn't like generals originally but when i got a new pc which made it playable i started enjoying it, the expansion pack is extremely good for it, tis a good game in general (no pun intended) try going back to ra2 after you've played and you'll realise how crap the AI is

User45701

Yes Zero hour is actualy very good, i havent played it online yet but i have a few taticts i want to try out.

Pugsley

If you wan to spice up your love for C&C:G, take a look for 'battlemech' mod, it add mech's from the mechwarrior series into it, and my god they kick rump

Diashi's ravens, bushwackers, nove cats, mad cats............ so much mech action!

If they get enough downloads of their mod they are considering doing a full conversion, which I most definately want a go at, so get downloading.

Agent7249

Originally posted by bizmark
er yes or no ? how are you meant to answer a question about if the game is good or bad with yes or no ?

Generals is the best command and conqure game i have played

and i have played them all

C and C 1 on the pc and playstation
C and c 2 on the pc and playstation
C and C tibarn sun on the pc
C and C red alert 2 on the pc
C and C generals on the pc

all i need is zero hour

Renegade, Firestorm (TS), Yuri's revenege (RA2) there are also some others

Woden

Originally posted by Pugsley
If you wan to spice up your love for C&C:G, take a look for 'battlemech' mod, it add mech's from the mechwarrior series into it, and my god they kick rump

Diashi's ravens, bushwackers, nove cats, mad cats............ so much mech action!

If they get enough downloads of their mod they are considering doing a full conversion, which I most definately want a go at, so get downloading.

http://www.battletechmodproductions.com/btgenerals/

is this it here?

Adrian

Sorry. Yes its good. Or no its bad. I wasn't thinking straight when i posted this. In fact i wasn't thinking at all. Soz

bizmark

Renegade, Firestorm (TS), Yuri's revenege (RA2) there are also some others

ya sorry i had firestorm and yutis revenege .....firestorm added a lot to red alert (if thats the one im thinking about)

Adrian

Hey ppl sorry about this thread i was board a few nights ago and this was the result. Delete it mods if you want. I'm not bothered with it. I have Generals and Zero Hour and I think it's the best RTS ever made. This is including StarCraft and Warcraft. I know a lot will disagree but this is only m oppinion. Feel free to express your.

Funky

zero hour isnt even in the same league as WC3 or SC... its a very mediocre game with some decent mulitplayer... its seems alot more newbie friendly than blizzard rts' too

Woden

hmm i didn't like wc3 when i played it, it doesnt have that pick up and playability i think generals is different kind of rts to warcraft and aoe and the like purely are you don't have to built houses and harvest many types of goods, less micro management more focus on battle i think

Agent7249

Originally posted by bizmark
ya sorry i had firestorm and yutis revenege .....firestorm added a lot to red alert (if thats the one im thinking about)

Firestorm was for tiberian sun, there were two different ones for red alert, not sure about the names of em, I know for the Playstation that they were combined and it was named command and conquer RA: Retaliation

zero hour isnt even in the same league as WC3 or SC

SC is dated and WC3 is good but for those who are up for more modern style combat, WC3 doesnt cut it (Although the lack of a storyline would drop in C&C: ZH's case, bout it though)

Woden

aftermath was one of the original RA expansion, i think counterstrike was the other one and yes there where combined into retaliation which was released on the ps1

Linoge

Originally posted by User45701
Its a good CnC game but not anywhere near as good as say CnC Tiberian sun

Tiberian Sun???? Are you serious? That was the worst C&C game ever! That FUBAR game almost lead to the end of C&C altogether. If it wasn't for the excellent RA2, that reminded people that C&C was not crap we probably wouldn't have Generals now! BTW Tiberian Sun isn't just the worst C&C, IMO its one of the worst games ever made.

Pugsley

Originally posted by Dataisgod
http://www.battletechmodproductions.com/btgenerals/

is this it here?

No actually, but damn thats looking good!

ps: that mod isnt released yet, but by the look of it it will be out soon and looks amasing.

Funky

Originally posted by Agent7249
SC is dated

Dated or not its still twice the game Generals is...

originally posted by Dataisgod
less micro management more focus on battle i think

The micro management AND managment in battle seems alot less complex than Warcraft...(god i sound like a warcraft fanatic but ive just played both games and think warcraft out classes it in every aspect)

Adrian

I'm talking purely multiplayer online. I haven't even glimpsed at single player in any of my RTS's. I think single in RTS's are crap anyway. Only good one is Starcraft's one. Does anybody bother with Single player in RTS's?

Pugsley

Not me usually I just go straight to Skirmish, but I done the single player in the origional C&C (because it was brilliant, and there was no skirmish in it).

Woden

i don't usually play the mission because you can't increase the game speed and i find it too slow and annoying so like pugsley i go straight for the skirmish, my cousin though likes playing the mission and has cleared generals and is working his way through zero hour when ever he drops down to the house

bizmark

i always do the missions ......And have cleared all the C and C games includeing generals

Woden

what do you want a medal, go buy zero hours ya bum ya oh yeah an clearing it on easy doesn't count

bizmark

being called a bum by a tax dodgeing unwashed student is pritty funny

And the older ones where on hard generals was meduim because i wasnt used to the game

im great i am

Funky

single player rts games are disgustingly easy , multiplayer is where its at

mr_angry

*Dundalk LAN 3 Zero Hour Champion*

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. Thank you...

Pugsley

Originally posted by Funky
single player rts games are disgustingly easy , multiplayer is where its at

Finish Red Alert single player on hard and repeat that sentence, that game was an utter bugger to finish. Some of the one man missions were annoying as hell (volkov and Chizmodai anyone? [sp?]).

Woden

yeah those one man missions sucked i always hated them, i remember that tanya mission, mission three i think it was pain in the bollox

Funky

Originally posted by Pugsley
Finish Red Alert single player on hard and repeat that sentence, that game was an utter bugger to finish. Some of the one man missions were annoying as hell (volkov and Chizmodai anyone? [sp?]).

fair enough but any sort of mission that involves your normal base vs base mission , even biased to the computer who usually has a tech and cash advantage are generally piss easy whereas an even game online will almost always be very tough

Pugsley

Base v Basem issions are virtually always easy as p*ss, but thatsb ecause if they really attacked with everything it would be virtually impossable to get anywhere, I remember in the last GDI mission in G&G the origional was well hard, you got a small outpost against a base half the size of the map, you didnt get anywhere for about 30 minutes of turtling, just to build up a force worth attacking with.

Multiplayer games however depend on the other player, sometimes its insanely hard to get anywhere without being countered, other times it makes the computer look hard. Thats the problem with multiplayer (RTSs more than most games), its so hard getting good hard games commonly.

Adrian

Originally posted by Pugsley
Base v Basem issions are virtually always easy as p*ss, but thatsb ecause if they really attacked with everything it would be virtually impossable to get anywhere, I remember in the last GDI mission in G&G the origional was well hard, you got a small outpost against a base half the size of the map, you didnt get anywhere for about 30 minutes of turtling, just to build up a force worth attacking with.

Multiplayer games however depend on the other player, sometimes its insanely hard to get anywhere without being countered, other times it makes the computer look hard. Thats the problem with multiplayer (RTSs more than most games), its so hard getting good hard games commonly.

You must be brilliant at ZH to come out with a statement like that. At least every second game is very tough for me. I'll have you a game sometime. My ZH I.D is GOT[MILK}

What is yours?

Funky

Originally posted by Pugsley
Thats the problem with multiplayer (RTSs more than most games), its so hard getting good hard games commonly.

The 'levels' system used by blizzard seems to work fairly well

Pugsley

I havent actually got Zero Hour yet.....

Woden

zero hours is definetly worth getting imo for generals adds quite a bit to the game with all the different generals with there strengths and weaknesses and whatnot, with the airforce general you can get stealth commanches quality stuff

User45701

Yes it is a good expansion. I find the USA super weapon general to be very good. The EMP patriot defence is impassable to tanks.

Also The Chinise get the internet center, a place to put there hackers so they dont get killed easly.

I would recemend it, i havent got around to haveing a game online yet though and i have a few tatics i want to try out

Woden

if anyones interested we could arrange an online game for this evening?

kaimera

C&C:Generals and C&C: Zero Hour are mucho enjoyable.

Currently hammering away through the General's Challenge in ZH as the Laser General.

so in answer to the question...Good

SwollenTesticle

C&C Generals was the biggest waste of money. Its new "enhanced" graphics has just killed its classic look. It was like when they changed Street Fighter into 3-D a major let down. In my opinion bring back the C&C classic look!!!!!!

Rnger

Originally posted by Pugsley
Some of the one man missions were annoying as hell (volkov and Chizmodai anyone? [sp?]).

Was that the level on RA:Aftermath where you had that little cyborg commado(volkov i think) and a stealth apc for one? That level tooks ages none the less.

You either prefer blizzard or westwood/ea tbh, although i like to mix and match slightly. I liked every c&c game ever realised except tib sun :dunno: just didnt do it for me.I loved starcraft tho, tis a great game. but the rest of the blizzard games.... not so much.
I never really liked the idea of hero units, and cuz i barely understood them made it worse. Those aura's that your hero gives off to give +6 dmg to all your bla bla bla... and then frozen throne came out! I was just getting close to being ok at using orc and then its back to the confusing begining (kind of)

/rant

Pugsley

I have to say I like both companies, Warcraft3 is an excellent game once you get half decent at it, get used to rallying up an army etc. The problem with Warcraft tho is the whol game relies purely on preperation, during a battle you cant honestly do much to turn a fight, apart from using hero spell, and the only one which can trruely turn battles then are ones like stomp, spike wave (the new undead guys spell), and healing wave. (however a healing ward in a middle of a huge scrap can turn a fight if the enemy doesnt spot it ).

Volkov and Chizmodai were in Red Alert yes, but Chizmodai is the cyborg dog dude (super tough attack dog basically). One mission you only got Volkov and an APC tho yes. But in one mission, and on 2 missions in the Ant levels you get Chozmodai aswell, and hes quite fun to use.

Funky

Originally posted by Pugsley
The problem with Warcraft tho is the whol game relies purely on preperation, during a battle you cant honestly do much to turn a fight, apart from using hero spell

no no no no , what you do in the fights is so important, you have to force fire the right sort of troops onto their right victim , micro out injured people so the enemy stops attacking them then send them back in or back to your base, alot of battles are won even by inferior armies by a quick surround of melee troops around a hero, there is SO much micro involved in battles, you dont just press a and click and let them do the job

Pugsley

Retreating wounded units only works against AI, if a player saw you retreat a hero/expensive unit he'd send his air units/archers on him and dispose of him extra quick, Chain Lightning doesnt be long removing them either. And any sort of advanced tactics are pretty much impossable because of no formations, having to stand every man in the right spot troop by troops takes far longer than its worth, and you cant set it up in 3 seconds when you see an enemy hero. So that brings it down to just knowing the armour/weapon types, and using weapon strengths to your advantage, but the advantage isnt really that big and requires a LOT of learning, however it can definately give an edge, but you cant beat a superior army with a higher level hero by just this.

Funky

Nah retreating works against people too because if theyre silly enough to go out of their way to kill that unit you'll punish them by having your whole army still attacking while theres is moving...

I've seen smaller armies beat big ones by good microing to surround a hero and make him teleport ultimately winning him the game by giving him time to catch up

Adrian

Wooo this thread lasted longer then I thought. And to think I only posted it cause I was bored. Zero Hour gets better and better the more times you play it. Its deadly trying out new strategies and all for each army. But I don't know what the big fuss is with usin USA SW general. They are good but are easily destroyed early in a game. Anybody have any vies on that?

Woden

yeah sw general is kinda crap imo, no tanks iirc and not even sure if they get choppers,

easily rushed i reckon

deathcube ^_^

i really love generals and play it constantly @ lan.
It is however let down by poor AI and repetitive gameplay, the whole resource situation is kinda annnoying as well..
there was nothing at all wrong with tiberium fields.

a 2v2 lan would be nice sometime anyone interested ?

Pugsley

I got myself Zero Hour \o/

Havent played it much yet, very busy the past few days. Looks pretty damn good tho, so much new stuff. I may or may not do the SP campaign, only time can tell really.

kaimera

basically if your the SW general, base defences is yore thing.

firebases with anti-tank & a pathfinder [or just 4 at] all over your base, adding more further out and around your base along with patriot missiles.

makes a base virtually impossible to break into....and gives the SW general plenty of time to build up cheap ion cannons.

Pugsley

Iver personally found a love for the Aircraft general, and Chinese tank general. Somethign about pumping out elite Battlemasters, along with his veteran overlords just makeh im fun to rush with. Aircraft general is excellent for turtling tho if you want a slow game, them king raptors are simply unstoppable in squads of 12 really