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Support for those quitting smoking

  • 05-12-2003 8:13pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭


    An FAQ taken from alt.support.stop-smoking long ago, in 1995-03-31. I don't know if that list still exists, but the FAQ has some merits.

    1. What is the best method for quitting?

    The method(s) an individual uses to help them quit smoking is a matter best left up to that individual and their doctor. Many people prefer one method of quitting over another, and most have had to try several different ways or techniques before finding a suitable method. Three of the more common methods used are:

    * Nicotine-based patches
    * Nicotine-based gum
    * Plain and simple cold turkey.

    The Patch provides a constant release of nicotine throughout its life. The gum allows you have more control over the dosage. As things get bad, you can pop a piece in to get an instant (almost) fix. Some people have even used both the Patch and the gum.

    Cold turkey is generally not recommended unless one is fully prepared as it can be extremely difficult, taking a great deal of willpower. However, cold turkey can also be a very quick and effective method as well.

    The best thing to do is consult with your family doctor and see if he or she has recommends. However, experience in this group has shown time and again that no method is effective unless you want to quit smoking! Your desire is the most important ingredient in the process.

    2. How can I prepare for quitting?

    The best way to prepare to quit smoking is to set up a plan. This could include any one of the the following suggestions, although you may wish to alter some to suit your own personal needs. Other suggestions include:

    * Set a quit date!!! You should try to set the date around a stress-free time, although there is no perfect time as there will always be bad times such as exams, tax time, holidays, vacations, parties, etc.
    * If you plan on using the Patch and you require a prescription to get it, set a doctors appointment.
    * Gather all the information that you can on quitting including tips, motivational material, etc.
    * Join a support group such as Smokers Anonymous.
    * Look into restarting an old hobby or perhaps starting a new one such as joining the gym or taking an aerobics class and getting into shape -- the idea here is to keep busy, exercise and breathe smoke-free air!
    * When the quit day actually arrives, get rid of all remaining cigarettes ashtrays, etc - you might even clean the ashtrays and use them for candy dishes :-)
    * Try to keep a positive frame of mind. Nobody ever died from quitting smoking!

    3. Why is quitting so difficult?

    Quitting smoking may be one of the hardest things that you will ever do. This is primarily because smoking is actually a three-fold problem: it is a psychological, social, and physical addiction to the drug nicotine.

    Before you quit smoking, all your emotions were medicated with a cigarette: you relaxed with nicotine, you laughed with nicotine, you wept with nicotine, and you digested with nicotine -- just to name a few. Nicotine was your last drug before you slept and your first when you awoke. No wonder that, suddenly deprived of all that, your psyche goes into overdrive for a little while.

    Without nicotine, ex-smokers are suddenly forced to deal with situations on their own. This can be a difficult task but the important thing to remember is that things will get better as an ex-smoker finds new ways of handling old situations.

    4. Why am I having sleeping problems?

    You are going through one of the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal. Some people have difficulty sleeping while others can never seem to get enough sleep. Group members have found that one of the best things a person can do if they are experiencing sleep difficulties is to reduce or eliminate your caffeine intake temporarily. Many have found an additional connection between caffeine and cravings, so in this regard you may be helping to stop two problems at once.

    Starting an exercise program should also help you sleep better. In the case of not getting enough sleep, many have found success in trying to take a nap when and where ever possible. Remember, this condition is only temporary as your body is adjusting to and healing from the absence of the nicotine.

    5. How long will the physical withdrawal last?

    Physical withdrawals, as described above, are said to last anywhere from 48 hours to two weeks. This can vary from person to person depending on the amount that you smoked and your psychological make-up. Many in the group have found the physical effects typically last between 3 to 7 days.

    6. I tried the Nicorette gum and was pretty happy with the results, but, the gum for some reason really bothered my stomach.

    The package directions for Nicorette gum suggests that you should chew a piece with small chews every minute or so. The package also states most of the nicotine will be released within the first 30 minutes. If you chew Nicorette like regular gum before the nicotine is released, this could and probably will, upset your stomach. Note that after the 30 minutes you can treat it as regular gum and chew as often or as vigorously as you want.

    7. Why do I dream more using the Patch?

    As a smoker your sleep state is or was not as deep as it is now. This is probably due to difficulties in breathing, etc. With a deeper state of sleep you are able to dream and with the addition of the Patch overnight, you may experience increased or more vivid dreams. While the exact reason for having more vivid dreams while using the Patch is not known, it is a very normal and very common experience within the group.

    8. Can't I have just one last one?

    Like with any addiction, smoking is something that should be given up completely. It is not safe to smoke a single cigarette as this could send you right back to smoking as much or even more than you did prior to quitting. It's just not safe. Remember -- you're only a puff away from a pack-a-day!

    9. What can I do to encourage someone who is trying to quit?

    * Do not pester someone who is trying to quit smoking or who is in the initial stages of thinking about quitting as it is probably the worst thing someone trying to offer support can do -- also do not nag, insult, or attempt to shame a smoker into quitting.

    * Let your spouse/friend/roommate know that no matter what happens that you value him/her as a person (even though you may disapprove of their smoking) and that you respect him/her for trying to break free from their addiction.

    * Learn to listen non-judgmentally and attempt to understand and see the problems of quitting a powerful and seductive addiction through the smoker's eyes.

    * Remember to praise a smoker for even the smallest effort in trying to quit or cut down -- quitting is a process and it takes time!.

    10. Just how am I harming my body by smoking?

    Every cigarette you smoke harms your body - simple as that! A better analogy might be to suppose you lived near a chemical plant that emitted a number of toxic wastes that had seeped into the town's drinking water, so that every time you took a drink of water, it did a small but definite amount of damage to your body.

    After you'd lived there for a few years, you might notice that you didn't have quite as much energy as you used to. After five or ten years, you might notice that quite a few of the townspeople seemed to be getting ill with one thing or another. In the same way, every cigarette you smoke damages your body.

    Smoking is a silent and patient killer. In simple terms, the more you smoke, the greater the damage you do to your body and to those around you who breath your second hand smoke too!

    For your information:

    * Lung cancer risk increases roughly 50 to 100 percent for each cigarette you smoke per day.
    * Heart disease risk increases roughly 100 percent for each pack of cigarettes you smoke per day.
    * Switching to filter-tip cigarettes reduces the risk of lung cancer roughly 20 percent, but does not affect the risk of heart disease.
    * Smokers spend 27 percent more time in the hospital and more than twice as much time in intensive care units as nonsmokers.
    * Each cigarette costs the smoker 5 to 20 minutes of life.
    * A smoker is at twice the risk of dying before age sixty-five as a non-smoker!

    What has helped you stop smoking? 790 votes

    Nicotine Patches
    1% 14 votes
    Nicotine Gum
    15% 119 votes
    Hypnosis
    4% 34 votes
    Cold Turkey
    5% 40 votes
    Gradually Cutting down
    45% 359 votes
    Accupuncture
    5% 41 votes
    Meditative procedures
    0% 5 votes
    Other (please detail)
    2% 19 votes
    Alan Carr
    20% 159 votes


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Yoda


    11. What is Metastasis?

    Metastasis is defined as the transfer of a disease-producing agency from the site of the disease to another part of the body. One of the mortal threats of cancer is metastasis.

    Early detection of cancer can be the difference between life and death. Most cancers can be detection at an early stage mainly because of physical symptoms such as lumps, bleeding, or some other clue.

    Unfortunately there are two types of cancer in which early detection is highly unlikely: Lung and pancreatic cancer. By a dint of bad luck, if an individual has one of these two cancers, they will probably not know it until the disease has invaded other vital organs and parts of their body. By this time it may be too late for any meaningful treatment or cure. The five-year survival rate for pancreatic cancer is 5% and for lung cancer is 10%. This compares with a survival rate of 50-80% for most other cancers.

    12. What if I quit ... will I ever get better?

    Smoking cessation has major and immediate health benefits for men and women of all ages. These benefits apply to people with and without smoking-related diseases.

    * Within 20 minutes of your last cigarette:
    - The blood pressure drops to normal.
    - The pulse drops to its normal rate.
    - The body temperature of your hands and feet increases to normal.

    * Within 8 hours:
    - The carbon monoxide level in your blood drops to normal.
    - The oxygen level in your blood increases to normal.

    * Within twenty-four hours:
    - The chance of heart attack decreases.

    * Within forty-eight hours:
    - Nerve endings start re-growing.
    - Your abilities to smell and taste things are enhanced.

    * Within seventy-two hours:
    - The bronchial tubes relax, making breathing easier.

    * Within two weeks to three months:
    - The circulation improves and walking becomes easier.
    - Lung function increases by up to 30 percent.

    * Within one to nine months:
    - Coughing, sinus congestion, fatigue, shortness of breath decrease.
    - Cilia regrow in lungs, increasing ability to handle mucus, clean the lungs, and reduce infection.
    - The body's overall energy level increases.

    * Five years:
    - Lung cancer death rate for average ex-smoker decreases from 137 per 100,000 people to 72 per 100,000 (... almost half!).

    * Ten years:
    - Lung cancer death rate for average ex-smoker drops to 12 deaths per 100,000 (... almost the rate for a non-smokers and a full order of magnitude less than a smoker.
    - Pre-cancerous cells are replaced.
    - Other cancer rates (e.g., mouth, larynx, esophagus, bladder, kidney and pancreas decrease as well.

    IN ADDITION:
    - Ex-smokers tend live longer than continuing smokers.
    - Smoking cessation decreases the risk of lung cancer, other cancers, heart attack, stroke, and chronic lung disease.
    - Women who stop smoking before pregnancy or during the first three to four months reduce their risk of having sickly babies, as compared to women who continue to smoke.

    13. I've smoked for so many years, what's the point of quitting?

    Lots! A new study proves for the first time that smokers who quit wind up with healthier lungs, no matter how long they've smoked. The study involved more than 5,800 smokers who were victims of chronic obstructive lung disease, a combination of emphysema and bronchitis (4th leading cause of death in the U.S.A.).

    The study was the first proof that if you stop smoking at any age, you will have healthier lungs. It was the largest study ever conducted on the prevention of lung disease and showed without a doubt that quitting smoking is the most effective way of preventing lung function decline.

    So there you have it, conclusive proof the it worth quitting no matter how old you are or how long you have smoked for.

    Smoking is a chronic disease and quitting is a process. Relapse and remission are part of the process. As long as you're continuing to make progress toward the ultimate goal of being smoke-free, you should feel good about your achievement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭smiles


    *stuck* thanks Yoda :)

    << Fio >>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭Paddy20


    Yep, Great and timely, badly needed sticky.

    Nice one.

    P.:ninja: :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 989 ✭✭✭MrNuked


    easy way to give up smoking:
    play highly absorbing video games all day for about 2 weeks to get over the withdrawal phase.
    After that avoid drinking for a while, eat junk food in place of having a cigarette and exercise lots, you'll feel better than you did while smoking which will help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    Originally posted by MrNuked
    easy way to give up smoking:
    play highly absorbing video games all day for about 2 weeks to get over the withdrawal phase.
    After that avoid drinking for a while, eat junk food in place of having a cigarette and exercise lots, you'll feel better than you did while smoking which will help.


    Will the government pay my bills during the two weeks I stay at home instead of going to work :D

    I'm thinking of going to that Allen Carr Clinic in Castleknock. I REALLY want to stop forever.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 989 ✭✭✭MrNuked


    should have given up while in college shouldn't have you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭silver_p


    Hi All,

    Just thought i'd drop a line to say i've quit & it's been so far so good.

    I didn't plan a date for quitting, it simply happened one day (Dec 13th 2003) while i was puffing away on a smoke, that thought came to my head... "What am i doing, put that smoke out and don't touch another".

    Well, so far it's worked. I have to admit, that night i prayed i wouldn't get cravings or bad withdrawals and i swear to you, i have'nt. I myself am amazed at the lack of cravings/withdrawals i've suffered.

    I know it's different for everyone but what i'd say is, give it a go, who knows, you might not suffer as bad as you think & the longer your off them, it's true, the better you begin to feel in yourself. I can now smell a smoke from distance, something i could never do before.

    Best of luck for all who tries...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭Divine


    Hey ive just given up the fags since Monday, today is Wednesday the 11th of January, i didnt plan it or anything i just decided that i would. However i was sort of planning on giving up at some stage so i had cut down to Silk Cut ultra...makes a big differance in the cravings i have to say. You should try it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭ErinGoBrath


    Very informative post Yoda

    For the last few years I've attempted to quit smoking using a range of different methods but with very little success. Willpower was soul destroying, as were the patches. It was like having a permanent itch I wasn't allowed scratch.

    When a friend told me about Allen Carr's book I was more than keen to try it out. After reading the book I extinguished my last cigarette and haven't had a craving since. The book dispelled all myths about smoking and doesn't use scaremongering to make you quit. Six months later I'm still of them and have more energy, very healthier, better off money wise and mentally strong. All these I was deprived off as a smoker.

    I've recommended the book to all my smoking friends and all off who was open enough to do it have quit with ease.

    If your not into reading (it's quite a large book and takes a long time to read) I'd suggest you go to the clinic in Castleknock. The clinic lasts 4-5 hours and you'll walk away free from the trap of smoking. The clinic costs €250 (not expensive considering the amount you will spent on cigarettes!) and comes with a money back guarantee. The clinic also offers support for after the session so if you have any doubts a free visit will sort it out.

    Check out the link for bookings and book orders:
    Allen Carr Web Site

    Hope this helps as it's sorted me out very painlessly!
    Andy

    PS: I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.


  • Site Banned Posts: 197 ✭✭Wolfie


    I agree completely with ErinGoBrath's post. I myself was a dedicated smoker for many years, I smoked at least 20 a day, and everyone knew I couldnt go into work in the morning without smoking a couple of cigarettes.

    I enjoyed smoking, and didnt really want to quit when I read the Allen Carr book (more out of curiousity than anything). Since finishing the book I havent smoked another cigarette. Read the book or go to the clinics. I would also imagine that hypnotheraphy could be very useful in quitting, and was not mentioned yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Drexl Spivey


    - Make a plan of stopping smoking. Decide when you stop, and do it.
    - Read Allen carr 's book
    - Keep away from smokey areas / smokers for 3 weeks this is important, if you breeze smoke passively it will keep you addicted even if you don t actually smoke. You ll feel sorry for yourself.
    - Do not have JUST ONE, or you ll be back on the 20 a day in no time, believe me.
    - While you stopped smoking, be aware of your achievment and be proud of yourself.
    - Buy lots of stuff with the money you would have burnt away by smoking fags anyway.


    GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL

    I was a heavy smoker for over 10 years. I am now off the cigs since end 2002, I don't miss it and I wish to have less smoke around me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Yoda


    Happy Lent and good luck to all who've decided to give up from today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭dirty_latino


    Plan:

    Stop Smoking

    End of Plan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    I feel safe actualyy saying it now - 4 days later.

    I was a 60 a day smoker spending in excess of 500 euro a month. Even though I don't really drink in pubs I decided the workplace smoking ban was as good a time as any to quit.

    This is not my first attempt at quitting being truthful ! Ive managed it on at least three previous occasions each lasting 18 months to 2 years.

    Knowledge is important for anyone planning to quit and while everything Yoda writes is spot on, a diary of the the first 2 weeks of someone quitting may paint the picture prospective quitters should really see not to put them off but to give a realistic picture of what to expect. Many people fail to quit because of being unprepared for the moodswings and withdrawl symptoms they will experience.

    At this stage I've gone past the 3 day wall unscaved and am looking forward to my first week smoke free. The coughing phase has started and will probably last about 3 or 4 days before it subsides.

    Tinky


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Imposter


    Well done and good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭lilulila


    well done to all who have given up i had a bit of a slip today. I had a bad morning and of course i went and bought ten. I feel awful that i did it cause i had been good since the smoking ban came in. I think tomorrows another day and i will start again first thing i just hope i dont slip now everytime i find the excuse that something bad has happened. I really want to give up. Im going cold turkey i dont believe in patches i was fine till this morning pray for me :o)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭parker larkin


    I've been smoking for ten years which kinda disgusted me. Gave up once for about a year and a half and then gradually started having one occassionally when pished. Started to get pished all the time and was hooked again. Since Xmas I cut down drastically to about 3 a day, then about 5 a week and went for it completely there for lent. Have been totally successful, but only because I knew it was a wee test for myself and within a limited time frame.
    I hope I stay off them. But dognamit I like smoking!

    But I figure if you slip up, just start over again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    I dont think I will ever NOT want a smoke. I know people will say this is daft but having a fag in my fingers actually helps me focus and concentrate. It's tough going trying to convince yourself you have finaly managed to do without, but be strong and proud of your achievement.

    Heading for 2 weeks now and feeling great for it - just need to watch the eating :( I don't feel so guilty now when that add with the kids and second hand smoke comes onto the telly, I dont feel proud or anything but I don't feel as guilty as I used to.

    Aside from the financial savings and the health benefits think of the time you now have on yer hands !!! It takes , say, 10 mins to have a smoke, @ 20 a day thats over 3 hours !!!

    Tinky


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭parker larkin


    See that's the thing. I actually like smoking, but not smoking just makes so much sense.
    big tester last night, went out on the piss and didn't smoke! The hangover isn't half as bad as usual either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    The hangover isn't half as bad as usual either

    Heh heh . . it's all in the head anyway !

    If you're the sociable kind and see the pub as the center of all things mingling then the smoking ban is just what the doctor ordered isn't it !?

    Keep strong !!

    Tinky


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 fielle


    hypnotherapy has been proven to be more effective that cold turkey alone, 3 sessions should be enough for most people to give up,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 492 ✭✭climaxer


    Hi guys posted the following in the wrong place:

    Didn't know which forum to put this in but its quite interesting if you're thinking of giving up or are currently off cigarettes.

    I've never smoked (thanks to years of my Mam drilling it into me) but my Mam smoked since she was a teenager until two years ago when she was only given months to live if she didn't quit. She will be off the fags 2 years on the 16th september and thankfully is doing brilliant. Anyway she used to smoke at least 40 a day and according to this www.quitmeter.com if she hadn't quit in sept 02 she would've spent approx. €6,959.50 on fags and smoked approx. 27,838 fags!!!!

    Hope this gives you some inspiration and not depress any of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    Your use of a capital M for Mam illustrates the high regard in which you hold her - good for you !

    I use a method similar to the quitmeter when I quit - I smoked 60 a day before I quit saving myself just over 500 euro a month. To put that into perspective thats twice my mortgage repayments or the repayments over 5 years on a 25000 euro new car !!

    I hope your Mam succeeds in staying of them and well done to you for heeding her advice.

    ZEN


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭DivX


    I stopped smoking last december after reading (actually while reading) the new Allen Carr's book, 'Easy way to stop smoking' this was the revision with two cd's, the aim of the cd's was to reinforce what he told you in the book, no hypnosis, no preaching, just puts a new perspective on why you smoke.

    The nicotine substitutes never worked for me and only made me feel worse about the whole addiction side of things, maybe it works for some people... not for me.

    My recomendations if you wanted to stop would be either the book mentioned above or hypnosis is also supposed to be very effective, even better the Allen Carr day course mentioned above, i know it sounds expensive but with the price of cigs these days, it wouldn't be long before you save the cost of it.

    And anyone that's attempting a quit, good luck and if you fail or lapse, don't worry too much about it, try again when you feel ready.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 teaser


    Ive been off the smokes since Dec 20 2003
    havent had a single one, mind you i still get very small cravings for no reason,
    20 a day straight to 0, yes, im very proud :D

    the health benfits are unreal, big improvements.

    and I thought I would be smoking till the day I die, haha
    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Falkorre


    off them about a month and a half now, cold turkey def the way to go, patches etc, ur still addicted to nicotine.....

    *has* to be the right time tho, been smoking 17 years and never been able to b4, now i dont even want them that often and when i do, it lasts seconds.

    B


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭DivX


    Falkorre wrote:
    off them about a month and a half now, cold turkey def the way to go, patches etc, ur still addicted to nicotine.

    Keep up the good work, it gets easier.

    I find after 8 months stopped, I still think of them the very odd time, not in an affectionate/hankering way, but just like a memory of something I used to do and then wonder why I though it was so good...

    Great to be able to breath again, heart rate back to where it should be, more energy, and funny enough I thought it used to relieve stress, when in fact it was the opposite with the constant nagging thoughts of when I could have the next cig.
    been smoking 17 years and never been able to b4.

    Was on them for 15 years myself :(

    But now free :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 mountgarrett


    Nice to read of others experiences in giving up the dreaded weed. Been off them a little over 7 months and feel a lot better. Just did an 8 hour hike through The Knockmealdown Mountains the other day, the fifth trip I've done since I packed them in. But I still get a longing at certain times, I could trip up at any moment. Like this morning I found my cat dead on the side of the road. How will I tell the kids she's not coming back. I feel like reaching out and striking up and inhaling ...hhhhaaaaaa! exhaling....hhhhmm! You can't beat an old smoke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    The irony is that you're concerned about your kids feelings !! Don't give in. My daughter declared me huggable now because I don't stink any more ! I haven't worked out if she meant of smokes or booze though . . bless !

    ZEN


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  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    DivX wrote:
    I stopped smoking last december after reading (actually while reading) the new Allen Carr's book, 'Easy way to stop smoking' this was the revision with two cd's, the aim of the cd's was to reinforce what he told you in the book, no hypnosis, no preaching, just puts a new perspective on why you smoke.

    [...]

    My recomendations if you wanted to stop would be either the book mentioned above or hypnosis is also supposed to be very effective, even better the Allen Carr day course mentioned above, i know it sounds expensive but with the price of cigs these days, it wouldn't be long before you save the cost of it.
    You do realise that the Allen Carr seminar method involves hypnosis, right?

    I remain wryly amused by Allen's assertion that it wasn't because of hypnosis that he quit smoking, especially when - in a later book (Packing It In) - he stated that he knew hypnosis would be an important part of his seminars...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭DivX


    oscarBravo wrote:
    You do realise that the Allen Carr seminar method involves hypnosis, right?

    In that post I was referring the book method of which I had first hand experience, can’t really say what methods Allen used during his seminar's.

    The book didn’t put you in a trance or Hypnotic state (otherwise how could you read it?) but instead he used a method called NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) which allows you to break bad habits and in this case smoking. So yes, hypnosis is probably a big part of the Seminar and NLP is the method employed in his books. (otherwise you have to get into scripts and such).

    Perhaps a psychologist or hypnotist could better explain the difference between Hypnosis and NLP, but if either helps you in your objective, then thats good enough.

    I pressure your referring to “Packing It in the Easy Way” by Allen Carr, haven’t read it, I understand this is his autobiography rather than a method book? Was it any good?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    The difference in prices for hypnotism is a tricky one.
    What's the difference? If you go to Desmond Riordan, do you have less of a chance of
    staying off them?

    Kevin Hendrik - €400
    Allen Carr - €250
    Dr. Desmond Riordan - €100


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    DivX wrote:
    The book didn’t put you in a trance or Hypnotic state (otherwise how could you read it?) but instead he used a method called NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) which allows you to break bad habits and in this case smoking. So yes, hypnosis is probably a big part of the Seminar and NLP is the method employed in his books. (otherwise you have to get into scripts and such).

    Perhaps a psychologist or hypnotist could better explain the difference between Hypnosis and NLP, but if either helps you in your objective, then thats good enough.
    I must read the EasyWay book again, and look for the NLP patterns. I don't remember seeing too many before - and reading is not usually a particularly effective delivery mechanism for NLP techniques anyway.

    The difference between hypnosis and NLP: hypnosis is generally understood to be an altered state of consciousness, leading to increased suggestibility of the subconscious mind. NLP is a set of techniques involving the use of subtle language patterns and physiology to influence someone. The use of NLP patterns in hypnosis is a really powerful combination.

    As a matter of interest, where did you get the information that the book uses NLP? I wasn't aware that Allen had had any NLP training.
    I pressure your referring to “Packing It in the Easy Way” by Allen Carr, haven’t read it, I understand this is his autobiography rather than a method book? Was it any good?
    It's an autobiography, yes. I found it to be like his other books - full of logical fallacies. I actually planned to write a refutation of a number of them, but didn't bother - for one, I don't have time, and besides, as you say: if it helps some people, what's the harm?
    Sleipnir wrote:
    The difference in prices for hypnotism is a tricky one.
    What's the difference? If you go to Desmond Riordan, do you have less of a chance of staying off them?
    Unless Kevin has changed his approach recently, you get a backup service: if you start smoking again, you get to go back for another session. I thought Kevin had moved to England, haven't spoken to him in a while.

    I don't know Desmond at all, so I can't comment on what he offers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    Well Kevin (as you call him!) works out of The Albany Clinic on Fitzwilliam St lower and has an office in Gorey.
    There is the backup alright but if youo went to Dr. Riordan it might work on the 1st session and if it didn't work you could go back 3 times before the price would equal Dr. Hendrik's.
    I really don't know.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Sleipnir wrote:
    Well Kevin (as you call him!)
    ...only 'cos that's his name! ;)
    Sleipnir wrote:
    works out of The Albany Clinic on Fitzwilliam St lower and has an office in Gorey.
    There is the backup alright but if youo went to Dr. Riordan it might work on the 1st session and if it didn't work you could go back 3 times before the price would equal Dr. Hendrik's.
    I really don't know.
    What you need to ask yourself is this: if people didn't find his service worth the price, would he be in a position to continue charging it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    I know, I know. Still 400 hard-earned bucks though. :confused:

    Plus they could only offer me a date 1 month in advance which sucks cos I'd have €400 spent on fags in the meantime! (well not quite but you get the idea)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    oscarBravo wrote:
    ...only 'cos that's his name! ;) What you need to ask yourself is this: if people didn't find his service worth the price, would he be in a position to continue charging it?
    I'll need to use that line when I hike up my charges ten fold to my various employers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    does anyone know of a hypnotist in donegal


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    http://www.hypnosiseire.com/salmon/donegal.htm

    I get Donegal customers fairly regularly. You can find out more through my profile.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭Paddy20


    Have you looked in the 'Golden pages' under hypnotherapy or hypnotist's, or Highland Radio has a good database of info, you could give them a call on 074-91 25000.

    Thats my best suggestion, it being Friday morning and all.

    If you are trying to give up smoking. I stopped suddenly in November 1999, I put the pack of fag's on the mantlepiece [within reach] and glared at them for about a Month.

    The compulsion to grab them would hit me without warning, but I would say to myself "To hell with that" my life has been ruled for far to long by a damned expensive weed. So I would resist picking up the pack for a 'few minutes' and lo and behold, the desire for a drag would vanish mysteriously within minutes.

    After about a Month I told a friend who still smokes to take the pack of cigs and the lighter from my mantelpiece, which he did, and I have not purchased any since, even though I still get the damned craving for a 'nicotine blast'. So, up to now I have not smoked for almost five years. I find it hard to believe, but I still take it 'one day at a time' and sometimes it is 'one miserable frustrating second at a time. When the urge is at it's worst I swear like a trooper, but then it subside's and I become 'almost' normal again.

    Good luck. :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Spalk0


    Well im only on my second day of giving up smoking!Cold turkey....I know it doesnt compare to the rest of you who have managed to stay off them for months but i know reading your experiences has only made me more determined!.....here goes...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    Well done and don't forget . . we all had a second day but happily the third day came along very soon and we forgot all about it :D

    The best tip I can give you is to get out and walk or cycle or anything to keep yourself busy and your mind occupied. Sitting around wallowing in self pity will only help you fail. I joined a gym and lost some weight while doing my health a favour and giving me a reason to stay away from the weed.

    I personally think that cold turkey is the best way to go. The effort and commitment you need goes to make you more determned to succeed and hence more likely to. I understand some people have other factors they need to consider and might find patches or gum help keep them sane for work etc. but there is a satisfaction element to doing it yourself and your willpower improves. As I said above find something to do quickly to occupy the time and keep your mind off of it.

    For me the effort I've put into getting back into shape makes me more determined and gives me an extra reason not to smoke again.

    Well done to you - we're here if you need encouragement don't be afraid to ask.

    ZEN


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭octo


    i did Allen Carr five and a half years ago, quit effortlessly, but then got hooked agin this summer after smoking a joint. i'm struggling to quit again. the only problem with allen carr is, if it fails it won't work agin, because he tells you you can't fail. you have to believe in the system.

    anyway, if you're quitting, stay off the joints!

    Octo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    To be honest I miss the odd joint myself, used to help me chill out a bit and was less damaging than the booze!

    Good luck !

    ZEN


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Spalk0


    Well i caved there over the weekend, and yes you guessed it, it was from a joint!

    Could slap myself silly to be honest!.....but, this aint over yet!Just means WAR!!! i shall try try and try again until i suceed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Drexl Spivey


    octo wrote:
    i did Allen Carr five and a half years ago, quit effortlessly, but then got hooked agin this summer after smoking a joint. i'm struggling to quit again. the only problem with allen carr is, if it fails it won't work agin, because he tells you you can't fail. you have to believe in the system.

    anyway, if you're quitting, stay off the joints!

    Octo


    Allen Carr says : while you re off the fags,stay offthem. Promise yourself you will not breath or use anything that contains nicotin. It would be harder to quit.


    That s why I even keep away from smoke from people who re smoking in the street. It may sound ( and look ) silly, but I promised myself not to inhale this filthy addictive product.

    Good luck all, don't fall in the trap : just one, or passive smoking is nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭MistressPandora


    Ok, I've been a smoker pretty much non stop for 4 years and I know for a fact that today is my last day of smoking. I'm nearly finished reading Allen Carr's book, and yes, today I shall be freed of the weed!
    This is the same girl that once smoked a pack of twenty in a hour. That's a cigarette every 3 minutes. Admittedly, I was wheezing like a bag pipe the next morning, but that's aside from the point. TODAY IS MY LAST DAY!

    Just wanted to share that with you guys :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭MistressPandora


    Ugh, five days off the smokes and I'm turning into the monster from hell. I'm cranky, I could not stop crying on Friday night either. What is wrong with me? This can't all be due to lack of nicotine, can it? I was crying over the most stupid of things as well, like I didn't want to go to the pub but my bf did, so I insisted he go without me, and I ended up crying over the fact that he went for 5 hours.
    Fcuk, I hope this wears off soon, at least I've been inspiring others to stop smoking (the ones who haven't seen me turn into some sort of raving, foaming-at-the-mouth she bitch).
    *sigh*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭ZENER


    Ugh, five days off the smokes and I'm turning into the monster from hell. . . . I'm cranky, I could not stop crying on . . . I was crying over the most stupid of things as well . . . I ended up crying over the fact that he went for 5 hours.
    . . . seen me turn into some sort of raving, foaming-at-the-mouth she bitch

    mmkay . . you seem like a perfectly normal healthy female to me ;)

    Jus kiddin' :D

    It gets easier, just hang in there. Find something to do that is the opposite to what the cigarettes did for you. Are you a member of a gym for example ? Put that energy you're using thinking about ciggys into something worthwhile and useful.

    That's the best advice I can give you I'm afraid. There's no magic cure, just your own determination and willpower and the support of the people who know you. Now would be a good time to call in some favors from those who you've spent hours listening to on the phone when they had problems.

    Good luck !!

    ZEN


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Frank Spencer


    would it be of any benefit to read Allen Carr's book after giving up smoking??

    I gave up on monday!


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