Voyager on a go slow?

Woden

I was thinking the other day about voyager maximum indefinte cruise speed (as you do of course) as i'm reading star trek book where there still stranded 70,000 light years from home it will take 70 years to get home

well through a little research i've decided thats warp 9.2 the normal maximum velocity for a federation starship

with this velocity it takes a day to travel the distance to a nearby star 5 light years say.

now say voyager spends 5 days travelling to earth and the other 2 days chillin and collecting food and energy and stuff

that means they do 25 light years a week for 52 weeks a year thats about 1300 light years. That means to travel 70,000 ly it should take about 54 years.

70 years my arse obviously someone didn't do the maths

vac

obviously someone has a life

Woden

yeah yeah apart from the obvious

bizmark

the intrepids top cruse speed is warp 9,975

But remember that voyager was badly damaged many many many times had no access to starbases or refits ......was always low on sluppys AND had a crappy crew

the ship really had notting going for it

at most voyager top speed would really be warp 8 - 9 if you take into considerasion all the damage + wear and tear

azezil

well through a little research i've decided thats warp 9.2 the normal maximum velocity for a federation starship

Based on what O_¨® ... Voyager top speed warp 9.975, Galaxy Class (somewhat older) warp 9.4

OMG and u call yourself a Trek mod

BoB_BoT

Maybe they knew they were going to be fecked about by many species, included for janeways constant meddling in others affairs and random borg attacks
The crew just came up with the estimate saying "she's feckin crazy lets add another 30 years onto the projected time"

bizmark

galaxy could go warp 9,6 with the venture class refit

and data is kinda right the defiant couldnt go much faster than warp 9 either could most of the fleet

Fast ships =

Galaxy
Intrepid
Akira
Sovy

thats about it

azezil

Actually i just remembered, they based their calculation on the assumption that they could maintain a comfortable crusing speed of warp 8, while they could reach warp 9.975 they can only maintain that speed for 12 hours

bizmark

no warp 9,97 is the ships Cruise speed
Warp 9,985 is its Top max speed that it can only hold for 12 hour's or so

azezil

ok u be quite, ya nerd!

Woden

Originally posted by azezil
Based on what O_¨® ... Voyager top speed warp 9.975, Galaxy Class (somewhat older) warp 9.4

OMG and u call yourself a Trek mod

Based on the wait for it The star trek encyclopedia: a reference guide to the future yeah voyager's maximum sustainable cruising velocity is 9.975 but i don't think they could do that indefinetly.

and if voyager was travelling at that speed constantly it would only take about 20years for them to get home.


The encyclopedia quotes 9.2 though as the normal maximum speed of federation starships

i think the main reason though is the oh oh lets study that gaseous nebula 5 light years off course it might contain a micro wormhole.

Woden

i'd add prometheus to the fast ships, thats a quality starship

bizmark

ok u be quite, ya nerd!

im being called a nerd by the fecking mod of the SCI-FI boards who is debateing top warp speeds with me

"starts singing" im right and your wrong im right and your wrong

bizmark

i'd add prometheus to the fast ships

ya crusie speed of warp 9,99 damn damn fast

then again it is only a prototype

azezil

Originally posted by Dataisgod
yeah voyager's maximum sustainable cruising velocity is 9.975 but i don't think they could do that indefinetly.

HA i was right, TAKKIT /me throws a pair of spock ears at bizmark

bizmark

u wherent right you clamed it can only cruise at its Cruise speed for 12 hours! "trows brick at azeil"

Enough of your lip mod boy

it could cruise nice and happy at warp 9,975 for a few week's id say

Woden

then some green Ensign accidentally hits 8 instead of 7 and the ship crashes out of warp in about an hour

bizmark

ya while wreaking its warp coils and warp core in the proccess

Janeway would be pissed

azezil

Originally posted by bizmark
u wherent right you clamed it can only cruise at its Cruise speed for 12 hours! "trows brick at azeil"

Enough of your lip mod boy

it could cruise nice and happy at warp 9,975 for a few week's id say

lol no i said they can REACH 9.975 but can only maintain it for 12mins (i said hours ment mins) i draw your attention to the the warp 10 episode uh huh *nodz* i rock.
Their crusing speed is more like warp 8.

Woden

yeah she really wanted to get the coffee out of that gaseous nebula

ah god i better go to bed, its getting too late for these numbers

bizmark

draw your attention to the the warp 10 episode

dont make me beat you to death for bring that episode up!

as for the 12min warp 9,975 thing ......Your crazy even a bird of prey can hold warp 9 for a hour even though its designed cruise speed is warp 6 and max is warp 8

azezil

look sunny jim watch that episode then come talk to me :P

bizmark

i dont have the dvd's!

buy voyager itself is hardly a great show of warp speed in the federasion

ffs they even clamed you couldnt turn in warp

AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE WARP 10 SHUTTLE!

BoB_BoT

yes the warp 10 shuttle episode was a load of crap. was it that they evolved or devolved or turned into something completely different? can't remember. Out of interest what speed do they travel at in subspace tunnels? (can't quite remember the names, em.. the tunnels the borg use )

bizmark

Transwarp ?

i dont know their grapics around the place to show how fast it it.......put simplely Its far far far faster that the fastest federasion ship....able to cross the galaxy in mere hour's

Woden

regardless of the speed a bird of prey can go at be it warp 9 or whatever.

The way the warp scale works warp 9.975 is massively faster iirc. stan has some good links showing how the warp scale scales.

Transwarp and quantum slip stream drives are way faster then conventional warp yes. One wonders why the borg never send cubes en masse then to kick the crap out of earth its not like they didnt have many to spare.

azezil

ya i found that amusing as well, never really thought obout it till an episode of voyager when the borg sent loads of ships to take down a single planet, but they only send one against the federation

bizmark

in the FULL first connact script the borg sent 48 borg cube's to attack the federasion ..starfleet destroyed them all useing their new Q-torps

Woden

the phrase bollox comes to mind for that i don't think the federation could destroy 48 cubes regardless of quantum torpedoes realistically look at the amount it took to destroy that one cube that we say and that was with picard knowing to concentrate fire on that area of the cube due to his previous like to the board

Do you have an articles on this script bizmark. i don't doubt what you say only that i doubt the federations ability.

Just out of interest when in the star trek time line did first contact take place with respect the dominion war

bizmark

Hey hey i said the "full" un cut script .......they must of though it was unbleaveable to seeming we ended up with 1 cube and 1 sphear

I still think the feddy could take out 5-10 cubes

and i think first contact happened just before the war

seamus

Originally posted by bizmark
and i think first contact happened just before the war

Yep, afaik. First Contact took place just before, and Insurrection took place just after.

Woden

how convenient, theres a couple of books tying in what the enterprise E was doing around the time of the war, surpisingly there called the dominion war

bizmark

and i was thinking

the last borg cube took so long to destroy because none of the ship's in the feddy tast force was fireing q-torps .......When the enterprise came in a fired ONLY 4 Q-torps at the borg cube (fair enough a "weak spot") it ripped a HUGE hole in the hull that the rest of the ship's then started bashing away at

also only 4 torps destroyed a borg sphear

only 4 Q-torps took the scimitar's cloak off line

maybe just maybe it is possible for the federasion to take out borg cube's pritty easy

Woden

well i'd say the borg cube was weakened enough already and i'm sure the defiant had quantum torpedoe's also.

with regards to the sphere iirc its and the enterprises shields where down after the time travel thats why it was destroyed so easy but also gave them an opportunity to transport to the enterprise.

i'm not sure of the yield difference between quantum and photon torpedoes theres something to look up

bizmark

you have to remember that the fleet was fighting a running battle with the borg cube/fleet ......for a good few hour's

they would soon run out of quntums

azezil

Originally posted by bizmark
and i was thinking

the last borg cube took so long to destroy because none of the ship's in the feddy tast force was fireing q-torps .......When the enterprise came in a fired ONLY 4 Q-torps at the borg cube (fair enough a "weak spot") it ripped a HUGE hole in the hull that the rest of the ship's then started bashing away at

also only 4 torps destroyed a borg sphear

only 4 Q-torps took the scimitar's cloak off line

maybe just maybe it is possible for the federasion to take out borg cube's pritty easy

I seen an Akira class flying about, they fire quantums too, and remember the first time the borg attacked the federations photons had virtually no efferct, by the time the enterprise got there the cube had sustained heavy damage

bizmark

every one seems to overlook the "days long running battle" you fire your best first and fall back on the second best when they run out

the akira is ment (i dont bleave it myself) to have 15 torp launchers and 3000 torp's they would go pritty quick against 48 cubes

Woden

15 tube nah i don't believe it either, the akira class is not a warship iirc i'd say its more of a scout nearly, its nice ship design though

bizmark

its a light cruiser

the intrepid is starfleets scout

Woden

iirc the akira class came out with first contact they decided that it was time for the fleet to get a coule of new ships (those excelsior classes had been really doing the rounds) i think some of the other classes seen in it where something like the norway class, sabre class, steamrunner class. most of them are quite small ships though i think

bizmark

ya pritty much all the ships but the akira class where small little destoryer class

it was about time that they got some new ship's even if we have only seen the akira ever again after first contact

Woden

there was that small little science ship that replaced the oberth class i presume, the u.s.s equinox, nova class i think again nice ship i think there has been a variant also

bizmark

Ya the nova is a nice little ship makes way more sence than the obert

and that other nova class was from 30 year's in the future so they dont count rode island harry kim's ship

Woden

ah so thats the variant, the uss challenger i think? or was that something else?

bizmark

uss challenger as far as i know is a galaxy class starship

Woden

hmm is that the one that the jem'hadar rammed in the search or am i completely confused now

bizmark

That was the Uss Odyssey

I just remember what challenger was .......It was geordi's ship Galaxy class Uss Challenger it was sent to capture the Delta flyer when kim and the first officer (im not spelling his name!) robbed it to save voyager being traped under a ice planet

Woden

ah yes thats it, that was a good episode iirc.

bizmark

indeed it was good

wish we seen more galaxy class ships in star trek Every thing with them in it rules

jaggeh

all of janeways careless destruction to subspace sickens me, she should have been pulled over for breaking the speed limit.

Woden

calm down, calm down. Voyager doesn't harm subspace by using high warp, it was designed with this taken into account and that is why its warp engines go into a v-shape when it goes to warp.

Advances in federation technology have no stopped damage to subspace in general and this v-shaped warp engine design is not necessary on more modern ship such as the sovereign class and the akira class etc.