i F**king hate that Horseface

Shred · 22-09-2003 09:39AM

OMG!!! It's RVN's little brother!!!

My thoughts also:D

cournioni · 22-09-2003 09:43AM

Originally posted by Shred
I honestly don't think there was any intent with Viera's kick - it was more of a "get away from me you idiot" gesture after Van Nist had performed a little tap dance on his back, I know I wouldn't be too pleased:) If you look at the incident Viera's leg never fully extended, there was always a bend in his knee and there was about two feet of air between him and Van Nist even when his leg was extended.

Of course there was intent. He wouldn't have kicked out otherwise. Vieira deserved to be sent off, he had just got a yellow card a few minutes prior to that and he failed to calm down after it. The second was definately a yellow card offence. It would have been harsh if it was a straight red, IMO. As for van Nistelrooy, he was looking at the ball the whole time when he was going for the ball. It was a free kick offence but not a yellow card offence. There was very little he could do once he was up in the air challenging for the ball.

I don't know how you can call Arsene Whinger honest. I would like to know how van Nistelrooy can be "provocative" as Wenger puts it. Yes he goes down easily, but what about Pires and Ashley Cole? He should speak for his own team and stop bantering on about United.

TwoShedsJackson · 22-09-2003 09:46AM

No mention yet from the Utd fans of Quinton Fortune charging into Lehmann and sending him flying about six feet.

jank · 22-09-2003 09:49AM

points deducted for what again now
for ganging up on Horse face!!!boo hoo they probably stole his lunch money too!!
get a grip its a mans game. remember last season villa v birmingham!! and then compare the two matchs then u realise how small those incidents last night were

as i said before if u dont like a little push on the back of horseface then watch another game and stop whinging

im not defending the actions of viera he did lash out (with all 3 feet between his foot and RVN) but RVN made it out that he made contact and thats cheating everybody knows his history of playacting and fooling the referre

as for the peno forlan was on the ground before the ball came inot the box he went down far too easily for my liking

pornaster im not 12 and what makes u think that i am??
nice suit by the way did ur brother Horse face buy it for you??

Shred · 22-09-2003 09:51AM

I do agree that Viera was rightly carded for being stupid, but I don't think he was really making an effort to kick Van Nist. Wenger is indeed a moaner but I was glad to hear someone actually come out and say what they wre thinking about a players actions instead of pussy footing around the question, thats all.

ZENER · 22-09-2003 10:01AM

What match was Angle Fire watching ?
It was Forlan who crater face brought down in the box not RVN !!

With regard to sportsmanship I noticed it was Keane who tried to calm Viera down ! and lead him away from the whole scene.

Fortune was trying to get the ball from the arse goalkeeper not trying to knock him over . . try taking the arse coloured glasses off !!

RVN had a reputation for playacting but then every team has one of them :
Pires for arsenal: Smicer for liverpool: Savage for leicter . . . but I think RVN was warned by Fergie to give it up which he seems to have done.

I thought Pires' dive last week should win him an Oscar. Portsmouth played them off the park and were robbed by the thugs.

My tuppence worth.

Tinky

The Muppet · 22-09-2003 10:10AM

With regard to sportsmanship I noticed it was Keane who tried to calm Viera down ! and lead him away from the whole scene.

Keane the peacemaker. Just shows how things have changed with him. A few years ago he would have been walking with Viera.
Saint Roy has a nice ring to it;)

cournioni · 22-09-2003 10:16AM

Originally posted by TwoShedsJackson
No mention yet from the Utd fans of Quinton Fortune charging into Lehmann and sending him flying about six feet.

When was that? I missed that.

jank · 22-09-2003 10:20AM

again was i the only person that saw a utd player lash out at a arsenal player i mean i saw this guy hit someone in the face!! i think it was fortune or maybe i should give up the drink!!!

cournioni · 22-09-2003 10:22AM

Originally posted by jank
points deducted for what again now
for ganging up on Horse face!!!boo hoo they probably stole his lunch money too!!
get a grip its a mans game. remember last season villa v birmingham!! and then compare the two matchs then u realise how small those incidents last night were

as i said before if u dont like a little push on the back of horseface then watch another game and stop whinging

im not defending the actions of viera he did lash out (with all 3 feet between his foot and RVN) but RVN made it out that he made contact and thats cheating everybody knows his history of playacting and fooling the referre

as for the peno forlan was on the ground before the ball came inot the box he went down far too easily for my liking

pornaster im not 12 and what makes u think that i am??
nice suit by the way did ur brother Horse face buy it for you??

A little push in the back? What about the flying elbow drop by Keown? The Rock would be proud of that one.

As for Forlan. Isn't it a coincidence that Keown also fell down on top of him with his arm on Forlan's back?

Yeah its a lovely suit. You sound about 12 and no I don't have any horses near my house.

Check out this picture by the way...
http://www.football365.com/mediastore/Story_Images/MediaWatch/Keown_Look.jpg

ZENER · 22-09-2003 10:30AM

Jank !

You keep harping on about he united player hitting someone what about RUUD getting punched in the stomach ?

At the end of the day it's only a game no one deserved to be in the middle of all that crap.

What I saw at the end was the more level headed Arsenal players walking off the pitch side by side with a manu player talking and smiling !! Thats the way it should be. The game ends when the ref blows the whistle. Normality should prevail at that stage.

Anyway Roy the merciful sounds better . . we don't want to get carried away now . . do we ?

Tinky

marct · 22-09-2003 10:52AM

Originally posted by tinky

Fortune was trying to get the ball from the arse goalkeeper not trying to knock him over . . try taking the arse coloured glasses off !!

What he was trying to do is irrelevant in the face of what he did in that he knocked Lehmann over while trying to retrieve the ball for the pen but this seems to have been magically forgotten...It was a blatant red card!

Shred · 22-09-2003 10:57AM

What about the flying elbow drop by Keown

Ah come on man, that's pure exageration - Keown was celebrating after the whislte had went with his arms in the air and the inside of his forearm made contact with Van Nistelyrooy. I'm not making excuses for Keown by the way, I think he's a scum bag anyway...

Now whether he meant it or not is an other thing...LMAO all the same:D

Sposs · 22-09-2003 10:59AM

Vieria deserved to get sent off , it was his second yellow and not a straight red after all. He lash out with his foot a deffo no no in any game, he doesn't need to connect to get sent off as the intent was there and thats enough.

As for RVN A cheater at least it didnt come up with Pires Bull**** that "he heard a noise"???? WTF.

p.pete · 22-09-2003 11:06AM

Originally posted by Sposs
As for RVN A cheater at least it didnt come up with Pires Bull**** that "he heard a noise"???? WTF.

All that pushing he got yesterday goes to show you that RVN is well able to stay on his feet when he wants to and no penalty award is likely:D(although for some strange reason he hasn't seemed to keen to win penalties lately...)

colster · 22-09-2003 11:14AM

I've a few questions about RVN acting or whatever.

Did he go down holding his leg?
Did he feign injury?
Did RVN make Vieira throw his leg out?
Is it RVN's fault that Vieira can't keep his discipline.

As far a I could see he was looking away, looked back saw Vieira going to kick he. The fact that he moved his leg at all was a reflex action. As soon as he saw it wasn't going anywhere near him he stopped an just stood there.

I think Vieira is a stupid c**t for throwing his leg out. What a tosser. He could have cost his team the game.

The scenes after the game were disgraceful.
If RVN had scored and walloped Keown in the back of the head or pushed someone else in the back, or hit someone in the stomach what would the Arse fans be saying then?
I bet it wouldn't be "It's a mans game...." etc.

cournioni · 22-09-2003 11:39AM

Originally posted by colster
I've a few questions about RVN acting or whatever.

Did he go down holding his leg?
Did he feign injury?
Did RVN make Vieira throw his leg out?
Is it RVN's fault that Vieira can't keep his discipline.

As far a I could see he was looking away, looked back saw Vieira going to kick he. The fact that he moved his leg at all was a reflex action. As soon as he saw it wasn't going anywhere near him he stopped an just stood there.

I think Vieira is a stupid c**t for throwing his leg out. What a tosser. He could have cost his team the game.

The scenes after the game were disgraceful.
If RVN had scored and walloped Keown in the back of the head or pushed someone else in the back, or hit someone in the stomach what would the Arse fans be saying then?
I bet it wouldn't be "It's a mans game...." etc.

Precisely.

The Arsenal fans "didn't see it". :rolleyes:

Shred · 22-09-2003 12:10PM

All that pushing he got yesterday goes to show you that RVN is well able to stay on his feet when he wants to and no penalty award is likely

Very well pointed out:)

cournioni · 22-09-2003 12:49PM

Originally posted by p.pete
All that pushing he got yesterday goes to show you that RVN is well able to stay on his feet when he wants to and no penalty award is likely:D(although for some strange reason he hasn't seemed to keen to win penalties lately...)

How many times did he dive yesterday? He was WALKING away from the Arsenal players when they started pushing him and elbowing him. He was not RUNNING where there is a higher risk of him being knocked off balance.

The Muppet · 22-09-2003 01:13PM

All that pushing he got yesterday goes to show you that RVN is well able to stay on his feet when he wants to and no penalty award is likely

Some people persist in dwelling on the past instead of looking at the present. Man U fans have always accepted that in the past RVN went down too easily. Who do you think Fergie was talking about in yesterdays papers when he said there was a player at Man u who was diving too much and he had taken Steps to stop it? RVN Fouled Viera Yesterday and got booked for it, it was no different to many foul we see week in week out. Viera Lifted his foot in what appeared to be an attemp to kick RVN, we have all seen players get straight reds for that so he at least deserved his second yellow. I have seen 3 different ex arsenal players interviewed about yesterdays events after the match and without exception they have said RVN was not cheating and that the arsenal antics were indefensible. That said I hope Arsenal are not deducted point becaus imo the league should be decided on the pitch and not in FA offices.

p.pete · 22-09-2003 01:44PM

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
How many times did he dive yesterday?

You missed my point I think. When there is a chance of a penalty is when he is more likely to dive (regardless of his momentum at that time). Yesterday I don't think he dived once but that is largely down to the fact that he has now missed 3 penalties this season and doesn't actually want to win them at the moment => less diving.

cournioni · 22-09-2003 01:48PM

Originally posted by p.pete
You missed my point I think. When there is a chance of a penalty is when he is more likely to dive (regardless of his momentum at that time). Yesterday I don't think he dived once but that is largely down to the fact that he has now missed 3 penalties this season and doesn't actually want to win them at the moment => less diving.

If he actually thought that then I think that he would have let someone else take the penalty.

p.pete · 22-09-2003 01:51PM

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
If he actually thought that then I think that he would have let someone else take the penalty.

Pride is a terrible thing, imagine having to turn to Diego Forlan to carry out your responsibilities:D

kaimera · 22-09-2003 02:20PM

lol @ this thread.

feckin work..made me miss the second half yday

eirebhoy · 22-09-2003 02:44PM

Originally posted by tinky
With regard to sportsmanship I noticed it was Keane who tried to calm Viera down ! and lead him away from the
whole scene.

Yeah it wasn't only that he just tried to calm him down. Vieira actualy pushed Keane and Keane then started to shake his hand and chat which is nice to see. A lot better to see then what Keown was like.

cournioni · 22-09-2003 03:14PM

Originally posted by p.pete
Pride is a terrible thing, imagine having to turn to Diego Forlan to carry out your responsibilities:D

Imagine missing a penalty in the last minute of an Arsenal match with the sides level.

p.pete · 22-09-2003 03:20PM

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Imagine missing a penalty in the last minute of an Arsenal match with the sides level.

Yes I'd say that was what was going through his head all right. Not the psychology of a winner, tut tut.

yop · 22-09-2003 03:36PM

Fergie was talking about in yesterdays papers when he said there was a player at Man u who was diving too much and he had taken Steps to stop it?

Muppet, I think, and could be wrong, that he said there "had been a player"?? Not sure, threw out the papers, but he could have been on about beckham?

Also someone mentioned that the peno could have retaken as Lehmann was further off his line than Robinson was on Saturday, they (refs) have only brought a stupid dimension to the penalties with this "rule"

Thanx 4 The Fish · 22-09-2003 03:42PM

He certainly did move alot on the line but Sky sports news was showing it last night and from what that showed, he did not move forward off his line until the ball was struck. This penalty thing certainly means that the assistants have alot more to do in the game than just give bad offside decisions. This does highlight the need for a video ref or something of that ilk to say Yes he was off the line or no he wasn't or yes there was a oplayer encroaching behind the refs back and he should be penalised etc.. But that is a debate for a different day.

Benbaz · 22-09-2003 04:13PM

On the after match analysis on Sky Sports yesterday it was clear that the keeper moved a least a yard off his line. the panel even commented on it!!

It's a silly rule though, it's just gonna cause too many controversy this season!

i F**king hate that Horseface

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