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Log Cabin
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10-09-2005 6:20pm#1
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Is it a " log cabin ", as in american style, or is it a log cabin construction using conventional square , double tongue and grooved, sealed and caulked machined section.
Very unconventional construction indeed, in Ireland. Companies using this build method, need to be top notch in necessary sliding joint allowance for windows and doors, due to using basically solid timber construction.
Is it a european company, american or canadian, or dare I say homegrwon manufacture.
Considering the standard tf build in Ireland has some poor construction methods taking place, proceed with extreme caution in relation to this method. You need the proper level of expertise going this route. So research, research and then more research.
God luck
kadman
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they're callin em log cabins.kadman wrote:Is it a " log cabin ", as in american style, or is it a log cabin construction using conventional square , double tongue and grooved, sealed and caulked machined section.
Very unconventional construction indeed, in Ireland. Companies using this build method, need to be top notch in necessary sliding joint allowance for windows and doors, due to using basically solid timber construction.
Is it a european company, american or canadian, or dare I say homegrwon manufacture.
Considering the standard tf build in Ireland has some poor construction methods taking place, proceed with extreme caution in relation to this method. You need the proper level of expertise going this route. So research, research and then more research.
God luck
kadman
they're advertised on myhome.ie
go to new developments
select Cavan
and they're called Annaghierin Lodge
The cabins are supplied by a cork company called Earth Care
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Cant find a web page for them, although I think I have their brochure some where. Looks well. You need to find out where they are sourcing their timber from, and get a detailed spec and erection process from them.
Remember they will require regular maintainence for the out side. And if you get pissed over maintaining and varnishing a georgian glazed wooden window, there will be some of that with these.
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Kadman, I'd appreciate if you'd throw your eye over the following cross section & picture and let me know what you think in terms of build design.kadman wrote:Is it a " log cabin ", as in american style, or is it a log cabin construction using conventional square , double tongue and grooved, sealed and caulked machined section.
Very unconventional construction indeed, in Ireland. Companies using this build method, need to be top notch in necessary sliding joint allowance for windows and doors, due to using basically solid timber construction.
Is it a european company, american or canadian, or dare I say homegrwon manufacture.
Considering the standard tf build in Ireland has some poor construction methods taking place, proceed with extreme caution in relation to this method. You need the proper level of expertise going this route. So research, research and then more research.
God luck
kadman
They are supplied by Earth Crae in Cork and originally from a company in Estonia called AS Ritsu
Cross Section of Roof & Wall
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Hi Lex,
Had a quick look at your pics, and a couple of things spring to mind.
Your construction method is typical of this type of build. Horizontal outer log wall, and a counter battened internal stud. Internal stud will probably be covered with horizontal tgv sheeting. The vertical internal battens are normally attached with a fitting to both stud, and external log. This fitting should allow the external logs to expand and contract, and not interfere with the internal vertical studs. If they are solidly fixed and allow no movement, the external expansion and contraction, will manifest itself on the internal sheeting, resulting in movement of the internal tgv. , and splitting, warping ect.
The roof detail is very basic. Extremely low pitch, definitely room for improvement there. Nordman sheeting is a basic roof covering , regarded as a lower quality material, which I would not be a lover of, for various reasons.
Lightweight roof materials allow for lightweight roof timbers , all aimed at keeping down initial production cost, not necessarily the best option. Any change here will no doubt have a major impact on the overall cost. Increased roof material weight ,will require a change in roof design, increased roof pitch, timber size ect.
I have consulted on log cabin construction manufactured in euorope for my next door neighbour. Unfortunately for him, 3 months after he ordered his house. His problems were too numerous to mention here. But they ranged from, sloppy initial design, through to poor company site build, scarf ridge joints upside down ect,. Rooferpete will know where I,m coming from.
I dont want to put a damper on your dream Lex, but being forewarned, is being forearmed. So do your research, and some.
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Hi Lex,
I will have to answer that one by private email
roofconsult@eircom.net there's nothing that can't be sorted while at the planning / building stage.
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Hi Lex,
Just for the record , every timberframe kit in the country carrys the roof, whether slate or otherwise. The external brick or block construction does not carry the roof as some people think. So a lot of timberframe panels at 600 mm centres are carrying the complete roof load.
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Of course you have all done your research, and are happy with your findings, well done.
So now you all know what spruce is....its common name in Ireland, and you know what redwood is, and you know how durable they are.... you do know dont you, ......tell me you know....please.
Or maybe I'm playing mind games with you, then again maybe I'm not.
Research..
kadman
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Ding, ding, ding,...wrong answer Lex.
North american redwood, and european redwood are two different trees.
Totally different characteristics, dried weight, and durability. While one is durable and suitable for exterior use , the other is not durable.
And fat chance that your cabin is going to be made from a giant sequoia,...
Yogi bear might live in one made from it, you wont be
Back to the school books for you me lad :rolleyes:
I hope Yop does not take this thread too seriously... , and give me a bit of an ear bashing
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Indubidubly my good man,
Ah Rooferpete, you being a member of the brotherhood, you would be privvy to such things. You are of course referring to the very matter of exposure to the elements versus the ability of the said material to resist the forces of nature.
Thus the said material being durable / mildy durable/ not durable, has the necessary characteristics to withstand degradation due to , wind, rain, rot, insect attack, blue sap stain..and of course our furry , over grown incisor, whiskered pet, and I dont mean Bugs Bunny. :rolleyes:
Of course the six million dollar question is ...which one is which, european redwood or north american redwood. :eek:
Rooferpete you are expected to remain tight lipped about the answer to this dilemma, as expected you smart ass you do know the answer :cool: . So with the promise of a swift kick up the jacksee, or monetary bribes please keep stumm.
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What section through the eaves? I can't find any drawings on the site that give any sectional drawings. And, although their design might not be to traditional Irish taste (a good thing if you ask me ), I'd hardly describe them as garden sheds (except the ones on the site that are just garden cabins or saunas). 0
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Mothman wrote:I have a Scanhome, and I'm interested in knowing what issues you have with the section you attached.
It is not a log cabin, so is different to what this thread is about.
Got to say, that I've never heard anyone mention a garden shed appearance about my house.
I know of 6 Scanhome that have been built by friends,visitors,family after seeing my house, and others who would, if they were building again or if planning allowed.
Hi Mothman,
I dont have any issues with a Scanhome. The fact that they have 3x2 for internal studwork. And have an exterior stud, sheeted with timber, is reminiscent of garden shed construction, that is my opinion. This type of construction is cleated at the joints, and around the windows, with rough timber nailed on , in my experience. Although I cannot say that the houses I have seen are Scanhome. This for me , does not instill good finishing and construction techniques.
But I'm open to contradiction, and conversion. So post some close up pics of your house, and convince me that they are top spec.
In fairness you are correct that this is not a log cabin construction, and maybe I have confused the issue, by posting a different type of spec. GUILTY
But even solid machined log construction, unless tastefully, and expertly done , still gives me the impression of a New England cladded timberframe stud when stained, although they have stood the test of time, being around for a couple of hundred years. But then again they were of American construction, and they have hundreds of years experience in timber frame building. Where as we have about 30 years of bad tf construction habits.
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kadman wrote:I dont have any issues with a Scanhome. And have an exterior stud, sheeted with timber, is reminiscent of garden shed construction, that is my opinion.
As with many things, what is ones man's junk is another man's treasure although it's clear to me that we are thinking of different things when we mention garden sheds.
Scanhome (Scandinavian Homes) are swedish, and I'd have thought the Swedish are every bit as experienced, if not more so than the Americans.But then again they were of American construction, and they have hundreds of years experience in timber frame building. .
This was why we decided to go with Scanhomes because when we approached some Irish timberframe constructors, looking for timberclad, we were looked at as if we had 2 headsWhere as we have about 30 years of bad tf construction habits
As for some of the other spec, that we wanted, such as heat recovery/ventilation and triple glazing, again all we came across was blank faces and a look of what medication were we on.
Interior spec, is entrely up to the customer. I put in 4x2 studs myelf. The quality of the Swedish timber is excellent, compared to what is available in my local hardwares. The Swedish rough is like the planed here and is a joy to work with, except when handsawing a lot. (It's so much more dense). As for the construction technique you describe, you're starting to loose me, but I think my home is as you describe. In practice it seems fine, and the look was the appeal of it. (Refer to my first sentence)The fact that they have 3x2 for internal studwork. This type of construction is cleated at the joints, and around the windows, with rough timber nailed on , in my experience. Although I cannot say that the houses I have seen are Scanhome. This for me , does not instill good finishing and construction techniques.But I'm open to contradiction, and conversion. So post some close up pics of your house, and convince me that they are top spec.
I'm not interested in converting anyone. I originally replied as you posted a section drawing of a Scanhome house. You do a lot of informative posts here, and I wrongly assumed that you posted the section drawing because you had some issues with it.
What was important to me was to get a home that is cheap to run, looked well (to me), has a healthy and comfortable interior environment, fitted well into a rural landscape, last well beyond me! and didn't cost the earth(in more ways than one). I suspect this is not what you are refering to as "top spec", but it is what is important to me.
Cheers
And to anyone wanting to read about log cabins, sorry for diverging off topic, although many have mistakenly thought that my home is one.0 -
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