Originally Posted by corkonian1
Not all textiles are like the resident expert on just about everything from anthropology to psychosexuality and all things in between.
We have sympathy (empathy?)for you feelings dear friend corkonian1, but we as a naturist couple have decided to try to steer the discussion back to the core of the subject.
We have profound disagreements with the views offered by Wibbs. However we do respect Wibbs for his/her persistance in responding to our views on naturism. Though in general we find them negative to the practice of spontaineous or organised communal nudity, within agreed and legally accepted areas in a non offensive way.
The view we offered that naturists seek provision of designated and recognised areas for naturists to meet is always ignored and instead there is a constant repetition by him/her about nudists looking to be nude "in public" wrongly and unfairly suggesting that naturists want to be nude anywhere at any time in public
It is of course frustrating to find that a core principle or demand if you like, of naturists is distorted in this way.
We do enjoy that the discussion has at times broadened out to inclide historical developments in relation to humans and clothing, like the contributions of EARNST and find this informative. At least it allows us to weigh up the merits of these issues and judge for ourselves what may be the best development.
If we may be so bold as to refresh the original core question we posed. Why is it that Irish people will enjoy nudism on foreign beaches while on holidays, and seem so afarid or reluctant to enjoy or practice it at home on Irish beaches? People suggest the weather, and to a degree this is maybe the biggest part. But there are some fine beautiful warm days in Ireland too, and we enjoy them together when they come.
No, we believe there are other things at work in Ireland, to cause naturism to be enjoyed by such a minority. We thinks it's such a pity.
After all if someone who is not in disagreement
..."with nakedness itself" can consistently argue against communal nudity in publicly accepted designated areas by saying... "Full nakedness(and the promotion of same) carries a loaded social message".... well we had better prepare for what is to come from those who are very much opposed to nudity or "nakedness itself."
For Nora and I nudity in agreed naturist areas as just another expression of human development and personal choice. We enjoy the feeling of being nude in nature together and we seek to promote the confidence it can give people who are at peace with their bodies of whatever shape, size or colour.
All are welcome and we or our club won't laugh or giggle or snigger at anyone and never have.