Schols

Kappar · 08-09-2004 11:12pm #1

Anyone here a Scholar, thinking of doing Schols or done schols? I'd be interedted to here what your opinions are on it.

Is it more effort than it's worth? Is it too hard to be worthwhile?

RuggieBear · 08-09-2004 11:18pm

Kappar wrote:

Anyone here a Scholar, thinking of doing Schols or done schols? I'd be interedted to here what your opinions are on it.

Is it more effort than it's worth? Is it too hard to be worthwhile?

While i'm not a scholar, there are some major benefits to getting it. Free food, accomadation and been invited to some official do's. Think of the money you'd save on acc. alone!!!!? It is a lot of work but remember 2nd year courses are not the most difficult in the world. I know of at least one scholar who posts on boards...i'll ask them to post here about their experiences of it..

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Nietzschean · 08-09-2004 11:20pm

i concur with pskelly, should really have done that bit of work, would be well worth it, you can give up the accodmation and they will pay u the value of it if u like.

RuggieBear · 08-09-2004 11:22pm

Triceradon wrote:

you can give up the accodmation and they will pay u the value of it if u like.

Really....never knew that. Considering the prices of rooms on campus now...that's a nice little earner....

Kappar · 08-09-2004 11:26pm

Sounds very tempting indeed. I think I might consider doing it, well I say that now :-)

Nietzschean · 08-09-2004 11:32pm

well not sure if its 100% of the value, but its close on it.
and yeah we all said that......hard enuf to get stuck into study close to the start of the yr...

RuggieBear · 08-09-2004 11:32pm

Kappar wrote:

Sounds very tempting indeed. I think I might consider doing it, well I say that now :-)

Well remember you will get very well rewarded if you put in the effort.

RuggieBear · 08-09-2004 11:35pm

Triceradon wrote:

well not sure if its 100% of the value, but its close on it.
and yeah we all said that......hard enuf to get stuck into study close to the start of the yr...

That sums me up exactly....would have done grand on the geography part but would have struggled badly with the sociology half (god, i hated that subjuect so much).....but in the end my own natural lazziness kicked in and to my shame i'd didn't bother m'arse.

Nietzschean · 08-09-2004 11:41pm

yeah i think some sorta natural lazyness thing kicks in 'Umm i might not get it, so just saying i was lazy is easier than doing em and doing crap' ...certainly close on my approach......

gom · 08-09-2004 11:56pm

In my opinion everyone should have a go at schols. it gets you ready for the end of year exams earlier. But even if you just get a II.1 that means that you have the year off from that subject from March on.

You can do schols in 3rd year also I might add.

At the moment I'm recieving free rooms on campus which i sa nice bonus. So i'm sort of a demi-schol. This March I will be sitting schols in TSM Economics and Sociology. Aiming for them but will settle for exemptions... 7months off would be a welcome reward

Nietzschean · 09-09-2004 12:06am

demi-schol?
and well yeah you can do em in 3rd year, on your 2nd year subjects tho, and of course exemptions are useless to u then.

And you don't hear about schols/exemptions till the middle/end of april if i recall....

gom · 09-09-2004 12:12am

Triceradon wrote:

demi-schol?
and well yeah you can do em in 3rd year, on your 2nd year subjects tho, and of course exemptions are useless to u then.

And you don't hear about schols/exemptions till the middle/end of april if i recall....

indeed indeed

Demi-schol = won a Bursery Award that just started this year for the first time. An anonymous doner pays for a room in the GMB for some one involved heavily in DU Publications. Not just Trinity News but many others. I won it to my suprise. I have to sign a contract with the Junior Dean binding me to do certain deeds for DU PUBS. I think its going to be based around me providing creative direction and IT support to the publications. Not too hard as I have done most of the hard work over the summer... The weird thing is some dude out there is paying for my accommodation and I have no way of knowing who it is

gom · 09-09-2004 12:14am

As for finding out if your a schol or not. You find out about the exemptions in mid April but you don't know if you are a schol or not till trinity Monday

guwh · 09-09-2004 12:48am

I did Schol and would recommend others to do it. The exams are usually (but not always) a little harder than the annual exams. In some cases, they only cover the material up to the end of Hilary term.

I only got an exemption, which was brilliant... 6 months summer holidays!

If you get Schol, you have the honour of being a scholar of the college, free accomodation for up to 5 years, free fees (which could become an issue again if Noel Dempsey has his way) for up to 5 years, which can cover a postgrad, free Commons, an annual salary of €254!

Even if you don't get an exemption, you would be much better prepared for the exams in June, as I know of very few students who would spend their Easter holidays studying without something like Schol to keep them going.

I started studying too late. I honestly think that Christmas would be a good time to start, as difficult as it may be. A friend of mine is a foundation scholar, (one of the top 70 in college), and that's when he started.

Best of luck to anyone who wants to do it this year!

guwh · 09-09-2004 12:53am

gom wrote:

You can do schols in 3rd year also I might add.

You can theoretically do schols in any year, but it make most sense to do them in second year, as that is when you are taught the relevant material, and when you are in the lectures of those lecturers who set the papers.

You can also avail of exemptions if you sit them in second year.

Nietzschean · 09-09-2004 6:00am

...Yeah but i enjoy'd my spring break snowboarding in 2nd yr

...Christmass is usually early enuf its only about when most of my m8's started, and despite what some of em say/do ye don't need to give up yer life, m8 of mine who got the toronto scol(top one..) still went out now n then...

Kappar · 09-09-2004 11:23am

guwh wrote:

A friend of mine is a foundation scholar, (one of the top 70 in college)

What the difference between foundation and non-foundation?

ApeXaviour · 09-09-2004 1:15pm

Hmm.. Schols in 3rd year.. What material would it be testing?

Nietzschean · 09-09-2004 1:40pm

2nd yr material, you get the same paper as the 2nd yr's doing it get....
which means its a hell of alot of work...

ApeXaviour · 09-09-2004 1:45pm

Triceradon wrote:

2nd yr material, you get the same paper as the 2nd yr's doing it get....
which means its a hell of alot of work...

Yeah? Well then 'taint worth it! Only hinder me..

Thanks

Nietzschean · 09-09-2004 1:53pm

Well if u plan on doing a postgrad it could be well worth it, other than that you'd only get the one year of free accodmation so not really. you still get the 5yrs so could cover ye up to near on a phd

eclectichoney · 09-09-2004 2:36pm

i got schol. tis great alright and worth doing but i think the free fees stop after you do a masters even if you've got some of the five years remaining. not sure tho.

Nietzschean · 09-09-2004 2:41pm

yeah its all rather cloak n dagger type stuff.....
afaik aslong as ur here has a student it continues but meh only heard that thru people, not like someone actually tell's u all about it ever lol

ApeXaviour · 09-09-2004 2:59pm

Triceradon wrote:

Well if u plan on doing a postgrad it could be well worth it, other than that you'd only get the one year of free accodmation so not really. you still get the 5yrs so could cover ye up to near on a phd

Yeah, I aint plannin to do my postgrad in tcd tho, the physics research is mostly materials based and the ones that aren't dinna interest me much either.

Nietzschean · 09-09-2004 3:20pm

is that new bell labs center they r putting in going to possibly have some new topics for ya? or is it all bio stuff? (i somewhat remember it not being topics that to me seemed the most interesting out of bell labs research....move the holo-graphic storage to here and then i'm interested... )

Boston · 09-09-2004 6:06pm

Do Schols cover stuff that hasn't been cover in lectures yet? Like for hte full year instead of just two terms.

Nietzschean · 09-09-2004 6:16pm

depends on the course....have to ask yer lecturer

Boston · 09-09-2004 6:41pm

according to that PDF file it just till hillary term for engineering, which is called engineering science for some reason. How do they decided who becoems a foundation scholar or who becomes and non foundation scholar? they call it an election, how does that work.

John · 09-09-2004 6:54pm

Each course is allotted a certain amount of scholar places to fill, the people who score highest fill those places. Everyone who scores a II.1 or higher on an exam gets an exemption in that exam. You have to get a II.1 at least in all exams in the schols to qualify for scholarship, although in reality you really need a good first to have any chance.

guwh · 09-09-2004 7:05pm

Kappar wrote:

What the difference between foundation and non-foundation?

Foundation Scholar is just a title given to the top 70 scholars in college.

eclectichoney · 09-09-2004 10:00pm

i thought a foundation was when you got all firsts?

revelate · 10-09-2004 10:12am

Methinks there can only be 70 foundation scholars at any one time. So if say 20 foundation scholars finished in 2004 they would count the 20 highest results in schols this year and make them foundation scholars. They get to go to more meetings and apparently can be sued as part of the body corporate of the college.

Was lucky enough to get schol this year..damn hard work but worth it in the end. One of my friends got exemptions from all of the summer exams and was on summer holidays from the end of march.

guwh · 10-09-2004 12:56pm

True.

The foundation scholars are shareholders in college. College is owned by the Provost, the Fellows and the Foundation Scholars.

Nietzschean · 10-09-2004 1:38pm

hrmmm do the foundation scholars have any control over how its run tho?
the 70 or so of em couldn't just decide to i dunno sell the college?(i imagine a nice dividend to the shareholders...)

sleepingbeauty · 10-09-2004 6:49pm

has anyone any idea how hard the schols are for science? trying to decide whether i should bother studying my ass off or not.....if anyone has done them do ya know if physics or chemistry would be harder?

atlas · 10-09-2004 9:08pm

blankcanvas wrote:

has anyone any idea how hard the schols are for science? trying to decide whether i should bother studying my ass off or not.....if anyone has done them do ya know if physics or chemistry would be harder?

As stupid as it sounds - it depends on how much you like the subjects and how good you are yourself. Thought check out the exam papers and talk to some scholars - just ask around people usually know the ones in their class.

John · 11-09-2004 1:57am

I did schols in science but I did biology I and II. Depressingly I got a first in one paper of Biology I and failed the other paper so I only got an exemption in Biology II. The exams aren't much harder than the summer exams, some questions overlap. Generally the questions just have longer answers and you're expected to have a broad knowledge about the subject as opposed to just know how to answer the bare minimum. My proudest moment was filling an entire answer book with pro's and cons as regards the evolution of sex.

sleepingbeauty · 11-09-2004 9:02pm

As stupid as it sounds - it depends on how much you like the subjects and how good you are yourself. Thought check out the exam papers and talk to some scholars - just ask around people usually know the ones in their class

i shall do that- actually come to think of it i think i know someone who did them in science last year...why didnt i remember that sooner!

My proudest moment was filling an entire answer book with pro's and cons as regards the evolution of sex.

and thats why i should have done biology

Nietzschean · 13-09-2004 12:45am

except the whole learn off this mountain's of book lark

dunno how they do that subject at all at all..

Captain Planet · 02-12-2004 7:13pm

So if there are 70 foundation scholars, how many non-foundation ones are there?

Kevin_rc_ie · 02-12-2004 7:26pm

no idea cp. go to tcdsu boards and ask there, or specifically ask daithi who is very helpful.

unless someone around here knows???

honeymonster · 04-12-2004 12:20am

I'm doin schols this year (BESS) and was hoping to get some advice from people who sat them, espically if you managed to get a 1st. Things like the number of hours you studied, the way you studied the material etc. Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,

-Stevo

Also there's a boardsish 5 aside being organised in trinity, if any of yeas are interested pm me.

Pet · 04-12-2004 12:38am

*hisses at the BESS infidel*

Nietzschean · 04-12-2004 12:42am

lol, it not vary madly between courses how many hours you'd have to study?

John · 04-12-2004 2:20am

if you want a first you should have probably have started studying already and not be wasting time on boards. I thought I was sorted for schols last year, I was wrong.

sleepingbeauty · 04-12-2004 4:53pm

John2 wrote:

if you want a first you should have probably have started studying already

uhoh thats not good to hear, i figured i could start studying over christmas?! thats not too late is it??! (well dont have much choice now since only one week left...incidentally woohhooo

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04-12-2004 6:29pm

It depends on the person, the course, the paper, what underwear you have on that day...

Having done the leaving cert, you should kinda know yourself what you need to do as regards studying (or cramming)!

Just have a look at the papers a lot. And ask your lecturers who did the papers last year for sample solutions, and in the subject(s) you're weakest in, ask for extra classes, or tutorials. Or anything that you think could help!

T "real deal" J · 05-12-2004 5:18pm

Afternoon Stevo. It's TJ from Public Policy. I do the maths & economics and yes I'm doing the schols. Won't be too hard as I had a "chat" with the lecturer and she said she'd give me the schols on a silver plate. Anyway easy peasy they take the best 3 out of 4 and it's done over a grade average. Think positive

Nietzschean · 10-12-2004 4:52am

T real deal J wrote:

I do the maths & economics and yes I'm doing the schols.

maths and econ? hrmm should probally know u then...or know to see anyway.

someone.. wrote:

Won't be too hard as I had a "chat" with the lecturer and she said she'd give me the schols on a silver plate. Anyway easy peasy they take the best 3 out of 4 and it's done over a grade average. Think positive

Don't u have more than one lecturer?

T "real deal" J · 11-12-2004 6:44pm

Yes I've a few lecturers and obviously I was lying about chatting up some lecturer to get schols. I'll leave that till after Christmas. Are you in Maths or Economics? Don't tell me you're in Theoretical Physics.

Nietzschean · 11-12-2004 6:48pm

i started in theoretical physics, moved to pure maths............................

Schols

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