Another bright idea from government

Wow, they've lost the plot.

This is just ridiculous its like every new idea has to point a stick at the landlords. What is the point of this if not just to try and make it as difficult for landlords as possible. There is no point for this

Gatling wrote: »

So they tell the tenancy board first who will then send a letter to the tenant advising them of what they should expect next ,

Seems reasonable

Yes, as if the time you need them out by isn't long enough already. It's a transfer of a government problem onto the private landlord. It's wrong. It diminishes property rights. The government can sit around scratching their stones while the landlord loses more money. Yeah that makes sense.

I went to the source of the news:
http://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/homelessness/statement-minister-eoghan-murphy-following-housing-summit

The relevant paragraphs for landlords:
"Landlords, when issuing a Notice of Termination to a tenant will be required to notify the RTB. The RTB will write to each tenant providing them with advice and guidance, including the name and contact details of the relevant local authority officials to contact if they are having difficulty in accessing alternative accommodation. This will facilitate a risk-based targeting of tenancy sustainment efforts and early responses to prevent homelessness, and provide for the development of more proactive LA actions thanks to direct sharing of data.
The new inter-agency group will roll-out and oversee a targeted national awareness campaign for homelessness prevention, promoting available services, including the Tenancy Protection Service. (This will include using online and digital channels to prevent homelessness for those who are not yet at a point of crisis that would require phone or face to face advice)
Homeless HAP supports will continue to be used as an intervention and prevention tool to allow tenants to remain in their tenancies where possible. The HAP Place Finder Service is being rolled out nationally to each of the 31 local authorities to target HAP supported rental properties for households in emergency accommodation. Place Finders assist in finding suitable accommodation and assisting with the deposit and first month’s rent. Additional people are being allocated to the Place Finder Services in Dublin."

RTB pre-notification means: more bureaucracy, more time and therefore more costs added. Unless I can do it online on the RTB portal. If it is the usual b....it paper format with solicitor countersigning statutory declaration then they are just taking the proverbial ....
Tenancy Protection Service: more money for Threshold and the likes.
Finally they are just going to put into law the recent judgement on HAP: tenant enters as working one, stops or reduces working, forces landlord to accept HAP (another one sided govvie scheme)

My main worry is that once they open the feast again at the Oireachtas  (they will have to) all sorts of whackos TDs and interested parties will join the feast to screw even more the landlords hiding behind the homeless excuse but in reality pushing their communist/socialist agenda. Their main target will clearly be the removal of as many termination notices as possible especially the ones with no reasons given (first 6 months and section 34(b) exactly as AAA and Sinn Feinn tried in January. Will it help to reduce homelessness? The answer is a resounding NO, but it looks good on the sold out media.

I hope to be wrong, but as usual hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

The government are just playing populist BS now. The putting tenants personal responsibility on the landlord is just pointless. More and more landlords will leave and more to the point new ones will not be attracted . Why is this important is the government are dependant on the private sector to house social tenants and tenants that work and pay the taxes it takes to run this country.

Is this in effect now or as the last post suggested - just a proposal from the government? Thanks.

It is already next to impossible to get rid of recession rentals the long notice offers no encouragement to leave and with dwindling supply seem many LLs are stuck with them...
If the loony left get there way this xmas it will be the final nail in private LLs cant increase rent to a reasonable rate while all other costs can and are rising.

jamesthepeach wrote: »

Seems to be getting worse alright.
Glad I got out while I could. I worry for those I know who are still in though.
Before you know it when it becomes unviable it will be impossible to get out at all. You will be forced by govt to swallow losses and not even be able to end the investment.

Some of the recommendations made by Threshold in their pre-budget submission would make a lot of landlords think about getting out.

GGTrek wrote: »

What many socialists/communists want is simply a removal of private property rights for non-PPR properties (if they could they would remove it also for PPR, but since the vast majority of Irish people own at least a property they know they would be seriously screwed if they even mentioned such an idea). This is their agenda according to their ideology, this is the paradise they hope for:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594170/Venezuelan-president-orders-landlords-sell-homes-60-days-face-fine-24-000-wild-bid-plug-housing-shortage.html

I suspect it's a little bit more than that, and the elements of Bilderberg/EU allied to FG are now showing their metal.

Google Luigi Fogli.

Excellent news for vunerable tenants .well done Mr Murphy

Stephen Hawkins football boots wrote: »

Excellent news for vunerable tenants .well done Mr Murphy

Be careful what you wish for. The measure of capping deposits will basically exclude every tenant that does not have a decent salary since landlords in Ireland only have deposit to go to in case of a non-rent paying tenant or a tenant that causes damage or does not pay last month rent (last one is very common). Tenants with good salary are the only ones worth keeping since they have something to loose if they break leases or damage property, attachment of earnings is possible only in these cases.

Remember that the biggest issue in Ireland is not rent increases or deposit retention (just media spin and Threshold spin), but rent arrears and overholding (look at the 2017 RTB adjudications). The media spin and Threshold spin is screwing the market. Expect number of available properties for rent to fall even further given the utter stupidity of this government. Who is going to supply residential tenancies if the risk as usual is put all on the landlords' shoulders, think about what effect the stupid proposals will have on supply: reduction.

I cannot even digest the lies of this government like “We are undertaking a review of the Rebuilding Ireland plan and we will look at any option open to Government which are affordable and which will increase the supply of housing,” They are doing the exact opposite with their measures, they are reducing supply in the name of the socialist ideology (or better: be seen in a good light in the mostly socialist media)

Tigger wrote: »

Deposits to be capped at one months rent.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/government-to-cap-rental-deposits-and-crack-down-on-landlords-805708.html

Daft, completely daft. Where else would you hand over an asset worth over a million for only 3.5k deposit

as a LL with multiple tenancies, I don't have any issue with this RTB notification as such, as long as it doesn't affect the timeline for removal.
As long as I'm removing the tenants in good faith, then I'd have no problem notifying the RTB to ensure they get whatever supports they need in the current.

That said, if this is a tenant issue (breaking the lease for whatever reason), I wouldn't want this notification process slowing things down - which TBH I don't think is the case.

I'm only looking fwd to the budget to see if they allow LPT against tax, or allow (non-accidental) LL's to professionalise and form companies.