Husky mauls child

magentas · 02-05-2012 11:19pm

Vince32 wrote: »

I've heard stories about a GSD which attacked a child, and was PTS immediately, after the dog was destroyed the vet found a crayon lodged in it's ear...

That has really upset me...:(

magentas · 02-05-2012 11:22pm

Seriously, the Limerick incident wasn't a husky, yet the warden said it was and basically said dogs like that are dangerous and then Mom comes along and says she wants a ban on Huskys?!!

If it wasn't so serious, it'd be funny

**Vai** · 03-05-2012 6:33pm

Vince32 wrote: »

I've heard stories about a GSD which attacked a child, and was PTS immediately, after the dog was destroyed the vet found a crayon lodged in it's ear....

I know where I'd be sticking the crayon next.

Vince32 wrote: »

No one can say why the dog attacked the way it did, and likewise no one can say with certainty the dog wasn't walked / worked properly.

All it would take for a dog to attack a child or anyone of any age would be a finger in the eye or ear, pulling or stretching it's fur, or tail, and parents and owners will have to take the responsibility.

The human is the only one out of the partnership with any form of real intelligence, yes some dogs are very smart, they will do any trick for a treat and a cuddle, but dogs will not practice restraint like a human would, if it feels attacked or threatened it will respond in kind.

This is why I feel the parents, albeit indirectly are responsible for what happened, my heart goes out to the families, I feel nothing but sympathy for them, but I cannot and will not ever hold a dog responsible for it's actions, even my own dog, suddenly decided to attack, I would have to face the fact that I have done something, or failed to do something to prevent it.

Handlers must be 16 years old, they must be able to control the dog and overpower it if needs be, any dog unleashed around a child without an adult on the other end of the leash is asking for trouble, and when I say any dog, I mean ANY dog, terriers, toy dogs, medium to XL dogs all have the same potential.

So I would ask that everyone practice some common sense, and remove the potential for danger, before someone comes to remove your dog.

Great post, dead right. Its obviously up to the owner and in some cases, the child to take responsibility. Anyone blaming an entire species or even a breed of the species is a total imbecile.

**Vai** · 03-05-2012 6:34pm

magentas wrote: »

Seriously, the Limerick incident wasn't a husky, yet the warden said it was and basically said dogs like that are dangerous and then Mom comes along and says she wants a ban on Huskys?!!

If it wasn't so serious, it'd be funny

I want a ban on irresponsible parents, some hope of that.

tatabubbly · 03-05-2012 11:44pm

Poor kid and the poor dog.

one word on "dog wardens". i rescued my pup from a pound. took them 10 minutes to guess the sex of the dog and they couldn't tell me how old she was either.
clearly very well educated bunch.

i'm not a fan of bigger dogs tbh but i do have a soft spot for malamute dogs but you need an awful lot of time and energy for them..

Hopefully ireland can change our laws making dog owners reaponsible, rather than blaming an animal what can't answer for its actions.

Ann22 · 04-05-2012 10:10am

mickmcl09 wrote: »

- alot of human contact, alot means if you're at home, it suits them much better if they're alowed to hang around your presence. Ie if you're inside the dog should have the option of being inside too, instead of being left outside on his own. They get bored very easily and for them just to be able to sit on your toes in the sitting room or nuzzle your hand as you go about your business around the house.

I could feel tears welling up when I read this...:( It's a disgrace that that poor dog is going to be pts, the feckin' owners should be p to feckin' s (well, fined anyway and banned from keeping dogs):mad:..leaving a baby alone with a dog no matter what breed or size, especially a young dog whose temperament may not be fully realised. My wee terriers attack toys with ferocity but that's how they play...They're fiercely loyal, loving and affectionate but I wouldn't dream of leaving them with a tot.

After reading further I see that the child's mother was with the child when this horrific thing happened. Very difficult for a woman to handle a big dog who was in a frenzy, she really shouldn't have had the child on the ground, too big a risk of something bad happening. Maybe the dog did get out for long, long daily walks and was well cared for, we don't know for sure (unless something else has come up in the thread to say it didn't further on than I have read) but it most definitely could've had a better home, somewhere that its size and strength was appreciated. You wouldn't let your toddler teeter about on the edge of a cliff never mind putting her down beside a powerful unleashed dog. So sad that he had to be pts...surely there's a sanctuary somewhere that would've taken him..The husky breed is so totally beautiful, such a waste.

Hooked · 04-05-2012 11:15am

Ann22 wrote: »

I could feel tears welling up when I read this...:( It's a disgrace that that poor dog is going to be pts, the feckin' owners should be p to feckin' s (well, fined anyway and banned from keeping dogs):mad:..leaving a baby alone with a dog no matter what breed or size, especially a young dog whose temperament may not be fully realised. My wee terriers attack toys with ferocity but that's how they play...They're fiercely loyal, loving and affectionate but I wouldn't dream of leaving them with a tot.

After reading further I see that the child's mother was with the child when this horrific thing happened. Very difficult for a woman to handle a big dog who was in a frenzy, she really shouldn't have had the child on the ground, too big a risk of something bad happening. Maybe the dog did get out for long, long daily walks and was well cared for, we don't know for sure (unless something else has come up in the thread to say it didn't further on than I have read) but it most definitely could've had a better home, somewhere that its size and strength was appreciated. You wouldn't let your toddler teeter about on the edge of a cliff never mind putting her down beside a powerful unleashed dog. So sad that he had to be pts...surely there's a sanctuary somewhere that would've taken him..The husky breed is so totally beautiful, such a waste.

Not having a go at you Ann22... as you make valid points...

The husky breed is indeed a beautiful breed. JUST TO CLARIFY - The dog in question (Mother in Limerick) was NOT a husky. Despite what the media would have you believe.

An alaskan malamute is a far bigger animal and Id imagine takes more to exercise. Now I know NOTHING about this woman or her circumstances. I'm just saying I'd imagine a dog like that would take some walking. And as i didn't see a father figure mentioned in the papers - I'd have to wonder when the animal was walked IF, and I say IF she was a single mother of a 2 year old. Again - more food for thought than a generalisation on someone I know nothing about.

I have no kids and my partner splits the walking/exercising with me. I live a mile from work and he's trained daily at lunch with walks/runs EVERY morning and EVERY evening. We cover on average a marathon a week... each!

So for all those reading this thread OR the bull**** articles these past few weeks, thinking Huskies are vicious. They most certainly are not. Especially parents - Forget about the breed and think about your situation... Think as a parent... considering a dog that needs this much exercise and attention... and having it around kids, the dog bursting with unused energy, being pulled at and poked.

Please...

Because the breed is getting a bad name this past month.
And it's TOTALLY unwarranted. In my humble opinion.

Hooked · 04-05-2012 11:24am

Quote:
Originally Posted by mickmcl09
- alot of human contact, alot means if you're at home, it suits them much better if they're alowed to hang around your presence. Ie if you're inside the dog should have the option of being inside too, instead of being left outside on his own. They get bored very easily and for them just to be able to sit on your toes in the sitting room or nuzzle your hand as you go about your business around the house.

This x 1000...

Mixed carefully with a proper yard area and crate training makes for one very very happy animal IMO. Lunchtime, evenings and weekends my Husky is indoors for a half hour here or an hour there. Mostly panned on the floor beside me/us or following us around the house downstairs - just looking for some attention and acknowledgement. Its a balance between exercise, yard time and attention indoors when we're home.

Well put mickmcl09

Ann22 · 04-05-2012 12:05pm

Hooked wrote: »

Not having a go at you Ann22... as you make valid points...

The husky breed is indeed a beautiful breed. JUST TO CLARIFY - The dog in question (Mother in Limerick) was NOT a husky. Despite what the media would have you believe.

Excuse my ignorance Hooked, their colouring is similar. A man living beside my mother has one of those I think, he's huge and just totally gorgeous. I was passing his house one day with one of my wee JRs and the owner asked me if I'd like to fight them:eek:...think he was joking:D.

Hooked · 04-05-2012 1:36pm

Ann22 wrote: »

Hooked wrote: »

Not having a go at you Ann22... as you make valid points...

The husky breed is indeed a beautiful breed. JUST TO CLARIFY - The dog in question (Mother in Limerick) was NOT a husky. Despite what the media would have you believe.

Excuse my ignorance Hooked, their colouring is similar. A man living beside my mother has one of those I think, he's huge and just totally gorgeous. I was passing his house one day with one of my wee JRs and the owner asked me if I'd like to fight them:eek:...think he was joking:D.

Nail on the head Ann22. Their colouring IS similar. As are many other mixes/crosses. And that's my problem with the media, newspaper pics and the warden involved.

Husky this, husky that... Cue everyone jumping on the bandwagon.

If this thread has served any purpose... It's been to distinguish the breed, establish the facts and educate people to what's involved in owning one.

Again. Nothing directed at you Ann22. Just the thread and media as a whole.

Now, my fella needs his 15 mins of training before I head back to the office.

04-05-2012 4:40pm

Hooked wrote: »

Nail on the head Ann22. Their colouring IS similar. As are many other mixes/crosses. And that's my problem with the media, newspaper pics and the warden involved.

Thats my problem with Dog wardens. Its their job to know the difference. Thats like Sky sports mixing up Liverpool and Manchester Utd because they are both red.

Whats worse is the ISPCA have only fueled this into something bigger then it is.

TehDagsBass · 04-05-2012 7:07pm

Irresponsibility by the owner/parent, the warden and the media...yet it's the dog who loses his life.

Barbaric.

tahina · 05-05-2012 2:23am

God im shoocked I have a 6 year old samoyed husky myself.
Anyone know are they on the dangerous dogs list?[/Quote]

Yep i believe there number 5 or somthing dangerous when they have pent up energy a high energy dog is a dangerous dog no matter what the breed is they need atleast 5-10miles of running and walking a day invest in a tredmill a excercised dog is a happy dog and less likely to attack also socialisation is important they are animals at the end of the day and a child can look like small prey to their natural instinct

TehDagsBass · 05-05-2012 2:39am

tahina wrote: »

God im shoocked I have a 6 year old samoyed husky myself.
Anyone know are they on the dangerous dogs list?

Yep i believe there number 5 or somthing

Well, you believe wrong I'm afraid. There's no such thing as the "dangerous dogs list" in Ireland, we have a pretty ignorant Restricted Breeds List which pertains to the following breeds

American Pit Bull Terrier
Bull Mastiff
Doberman Pinscher
English Bull Terrier
German Shepherd (Alsatian)
Japanese Akita
Japanese Tosa
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Rottweiler
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Every other strain of cross of every breed or type of dog listed above

I'm also fairly sure that Sammies aren't husky dogs either.

tahina · 05-05-2012 3:01am

TehDagsBass wrote: »

tahina wrote: »

God im shoocked I have a 6 year old samoyed husky myself.
Anyone know are they on the dangerous dogs list?

Yep i believe there number 5 or somthing

Well, you believe wrong I'm afraid. There's no such thing as the "dangerous dogs list" in Ireland, we have a pretty ignorant Restricted Breeds List which pertains to the following breeds
American Pit Bull Terrier

Bull Mastiff

Doberman Pinscher

English Bull Terrier

German Shepherd (Alsatian)

Japanese Akita

Japanese Tosa

Rhodesian Ridgeback

Rottweiler

Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Every other strain of cross of every breed or type of dog listed above

I'm also fairly sure that Sammies aren't husky dogs either.

Sorry i ment if u just google 10 most dangerous dog breeds they are roughly 5th on the list i should have been clearer =]

fatmammycat · 05-05-2012 8:09am

Samoyeds are not huskies and are not on any dangerous list as far as I know.

SillyMangoX · 05-05-2012 2:23pm

I know that Japanese Akitas are on the list so would be subject to the muzzling etc, but because the list specifies japanese specifically, does that mean American Akitas aren't subject to the list? Or just because they are Akita type would it effect them too?

Cherry Blossom · 05-05-2012 3:13pm

SillyMangoX wrote: »

I know that Japanese Akitas are on the list so would be subject to the muzzling etc, but because the list specifies japanese specifically, does that mean American Akitas aren't subject to the list? Or just because they are Akita type would it effect them too?

Maybe some else can clarify if this is correct or not but the RB legislation is dated 1991, I believe, it's more recent that the breed has been spilt into Akita Inu (or just 'Akita') & American Akita, the label of 'Japanese' Akita covers both as both originate in Japan. The official breed classification is here (both listed in group 5 under 'Japan'):

http://www.fci.be/nomenclature.aspx

Rommie · 05-05-2012 6:58pm

While the american and inu have only been officially split for a few years now, I would debate that it doesn't cover both because while they technically came from the same ancestor, there was clearly a difference emerging between the two breeds after world war II, and now, technically, the japanese akita no longer exists in Ireland (so if you see anyone selling pups as 'japanese akitas' STAY AWAY!!)
Its like any breed that has an rb in its ancestory somewhere, and as far as i know the american akita has never been used as a fighting dog (which is one of the main reasons most of the other breeds are on the list). The american was crossed with mastiffs and german shepherds while the inu was crossed back with the old type of 'matagi' akitas (hence why they have such a tiny gene pool).

So as far as I can see its a hard one to call but i imagine it would be something along the same lines as the staffordshire bull terrier and the amstaff- one is restricted, the other isn't.

darylforsyth · 28-09-2012 3:24pm

ducksmalone wrote: »

Ok... i havent logged onto the internet or come on here to have a sparring match with anyone,there are plenty other internetters out there who will behave in tit for tat comments,im not one of them.

If i ignore your questions,thats my right,thats for me,dont bother yourselves bombarding me with the same question as i wont engage with you,thats the way i will use this forum.I will pick what suits me and ignore the rest.

Now your question,what would i do with Huskies and similar dogs? i dont know,i seriously dont know.do i want the breed rid of?in a word no. some people on here made comments that thats what im advocating,its not.
My main aim here was to highlight the damage this dog,the husky in clare,did to this child.
This dog was given to the family as the original owners moved away,source: the clarefm interview.

When the childs parents eventually got the dog off the child,the huskey lowered himself in an attack mode and kept trying to get at the child.

How many of ye have actually listened to the interview? i challenge the posters on here to mail clarefm and ask for the podcast,unless there is some other way of listening to it,i dont know

Plantetx...... might be best if you didnt make comments or raise suspicions about laying fault at the family at such a sensitive time.:mad:if i remember correctly it was a family gathering at the house when the unprovoked attack occurred.

can someone put up the podcast please?or are we allowed to do that?

this husky was given to this family as owners moved away. noone knows what went on behind closed doors with the family that moved or the family he was in when he attacked. lets just say the husky was being treated badly and being kicked would you as a human sit there and do nothing while being kicked, no you would not, dont get me wrong im not saying it was right what the dog did to that poor child no child deserves that but im just putting it in another context. i believe dogs should only come reputable breeders or from someone that knows the dog and the breeders should be by law have to interview and view the family the dog is going too. i have 2 huskies which came from reputable breeders 10 generation papers the lot but i would never leave either of them with my child who is 2 i go in the garden with him but never leave them alone i have reared pups that my bitch had and have always inspected homes and families and if didnt feel right they never went there. You cant blacken the name of a whole breed for just one attack, you wouldnt do this with humans like larry murphy. he a rapist and murderer but is his whole family?NO. so please continue to debate this but unless you know anything about dogs and what they desire to keep them happy dont bother having one. They husky is a pack living dog and will not be happy on his own if you get want one take 2 from the same litter its a lot better for them. They need 2 hrs of excersise a day they also need interaction physical aswell as mental if you cannot offer this to a husky or any dog please just jog on.

ISDW · 28-09-2012 3:32pm

darylforsyth wrote: »

this husky was given to this family as owners moved away. noone knows what went on behind closed doors with the family that moved or the family he was in when he attacked. lets just say the husky was being treated badly and being kicked would you as a human sit there and do nothing while being kicked, no you would not, dont get me wrong im not saying it was right what the dog did to that poor child no child deserves that but im just putting it in another context. i believe dogs should only come reputable breeders or from someone that knows the dog and the breeders should be by law have to interview and view the family the dog is going too. i have 2 huskies which came from reputable breeders 10 generation papers the lot but i would never leave either of them with my child who is 2 i go in the garden with him but never leave them alone i have reared pups that my bitch had and have always inspected homes and families and if didnt feel right they never went there. You cant blacken the name of a whole breed for just one attack, you wouldnt do this with humans like larry murphy. he a rapist and murderer but is his whole family?NO. so please continue to debate this but unless you know anything about dogs and what they desire to keep them happy dont bother having one. They husky is a pack living dog and will not be happy on his own if you get want one take 2 from the same litter its a lot better for them. They need 2 hrs of excersise a day they also need interaction physical aswell as mental if you cannot offer this to a husky or any dog please just jog on.

It wasn't a husky. I know its a long, long thread, but its pointed out quite a few times

Really wouldn't recommend taking two dogs from the same litter. Great that you got good homes for your dogs, did you get the parents health tested before breeding?

darylforsyth · 01-10-2012 4:57pm

ISDW wrote: »

It wasn't a husky. I know its a long, long thread, but its pointed out quite a few times

Really wouldn't recommend taking two dogs from the same litter. Great that you got good homes for your dogs, did you get the parents health tested before breeding?

I didnt read that but i only scanned thru a few posts so why discriminate huskys people should get facts right before making assumtions. I understand some people cant take two but i would highly recomend it to them as it makes your dog alot happier and less destructive. they are always health checked get the hips and elbows, Eye test, Heart test and brucelosis test( however you spell it lol). everything else from allergies to deafness is done once a year to both.

ppink · 01-10-2012 5:10pm

darylforsyth wrote: »

I didnt read that but i only scanned thru a few posts so why discriminate huskys people should get facts right before making assumtions. .

People probably do exactly as you did with your first post......scan through get the jist and start typing/talking:)

jamesd · 01-10-2012 5:17pm

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Maybe some else can clarify if this is correct or not but the RB legislation is dated 1991, I believe, it's more recent that the breed has been spilt into Akita Inu (or just 'Akita') & American Akita, the label of 'Japanese' Akita covers both as both originate in Japan. The official breed classification is here (both listed in group 5 under 'Japan'):

http://www.fci.be/nomenclature.aspx

Would love to know if this was ever answered with a definate answer.

ISDW · 01-10-2012 5:51pm

darylforsyth wrote: »

I didnt read that but i only scanned thru a few posts so why discriminate huskys people should get facts right before making assumtions. I understand some people cant take two but i would highly recomend it to them as it makes your dog alot happier and less destructive. they are always health checked get the hips and elbows, Eye test, Heart test and brucelosis test( however you spell it lol). everything else from allergies to deafness is done once a year to both.

There was a lot of anger about it, with the warden getting the breed wrong, and a national newspaper as well, they have since printed a few scare stories about huskies, with photos of other breeds!

Great that the dogs are health tested, but I am a wee bit confused - easily done at my age:D you say they are always health checked, once a year, what do you mean? You get the hips and elbows scored every year? What heart test do you get done, never heard of huskies needing a heart test. And again, please pardon my ignorance, what is a brucelosis test?

Thanks.:)

Cherry Blossom · 01-10-2012 9:33pm

ISDW wrote: »

And again, please pardon my ignorance, what is a brucelosis test?

Cattle are tested for brucellosis, it has been scaled down significantly in recent years as Ireland was declared brucellosis free in 2009. Dogs can get it, but I've never heard of it happening or of dogs being tested for it.

darylforsyth · 02-10-2012 1:37pm

ISDW wrote: »

There was a lot of anger about it, with the warden getting the breed wrong, and a national newspaper as well, they have since printed a few scare stories about huskies, with photos of other breeds!

Great that the dogs are health tested, but I am a wee bit confused - easily done at my age:D you say they are always health checked, once a year, what do you mean? You get the hips and elbows scored every year? What heart test do you get done, never heard of huskies needing a heart test. And again, please pardon my ignorance, what is a brucelosis test?

Thanks.:)

I can understand the anger because its not fair that people who have these dogs get looked at weird and people telling kids to stay away from them because not all are the same.

I get there hips and and elbows scored once a year mainly before the first heat of the year. the heart test is just to check of any abnormality with it the vets either use a stethoscope or give them a elctrocardigram (excuse the spelling) ans a brucelosis test is for a bacteria often found in cattle as a fellow poster pointed out ireland is free of this but as my dog was bought abroad and brought back to ireland and my male studs abroad its a neccesity as there are not many signs of this bacteria as it is contracted through mating sniffing the urinal tract of another dog or eating fetal membranes of pups. better to be safe than sorry.

andreac · 02-10-2012 2:32pm

darylforsyth wrote: »

I can understand the anger because its not fair that people who have these dogs get looked at weird and people telling kids to stay away from them because not all are the same.

I get there hips and and elbows scored once a year mainly before the first heat of the year. the heart test is just to check of any abnormality with it the vets either use a stethoscope or give them a elctrocardigram (excuse the spelling) ans a brucelosis test is for a bacteria often found in cattle as a fellow poster pointed out ireland is free of this but as my dog was bought abroad and brought back to ireland and my male studs abroad its a neccesity as there are not many signs of this bacteria as it is contracted through mating sniffing the urinal tract of another dog or eating fetal membranes of pups. better to be safe than sorry.

Sorry, but if you are saying you get their hips and elbows done once a year you are not telling the truth.

The Hips and Elbows can only ever be scored ONCE in their whole life. The x-rays are submitted to the BVA in the UK and they can only ever be done one in their whole life, so why would you say you do them every year??

ISDW · 02-10-2012 9:01pm

darylforsyth wrote: »

I can understand the anger because its not fair that people who have these dogs get looked at weird and people telling kids to stay away from them because not all are the same.

I get there hips and and elbows scored once a year mainly before the first heat of the year. the heart test is just to check of any abnormality with it the vets either use a stethoscope or give them a elctrocardigram (excuse the spelling) ans a brucelosis test is for a bacteria often found in cattle as a fellow poster pointed out ireland is free of this but as my dog was bought abroad and brought back to ireland and my male studs abroad its a neccesity as there are not many signs of this bacteria as it is contracted through mating sniffing the urinal tract of another dog or eating fetal membranes of pups. better to be safe than sorry.

Sorry, as andreac says, you can't get your dogs hips and elbows scored every year, and if you could, why would you want to put any dog through a GA every year? Why are you getting elbows done in sibes? There is no issue with elbows in sibes, malamutes maybe, but not sibes. You take your dog abroad to use as a stud dog? Wow, he must be some dog, what countries does he go to? Is he an outstanding show dog, or a working champion?

Edited as I see darylforsyth's account is now closed. I guess the trolling attempt wasn't too successful?

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