Why have RTE employed a 15 second time delay on the bailout announcement?

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 9:48pm #1

I cant believe that Irish TV had no coverage of the Bailout discussions this evening, why ae they not keeping the people informed?

Now that the state broadcaster RTE has finally shown some interest in our disasterous finanical affairs this evening, why are they 15 seconds behind every one else? Do we live in a democracy or does the state brodcaster and/or the government censor information to the extent that they need 15 seconds to cut out anything they don't want us to hear? What the hell is happening in Ireland ?

Liam Byrne · 21-11-2010 9:52pm

To be fair, RTE's feed might have to go through two upload sequences......don't know for definite, but the other station feeds would be direct from London through Sky.

If you are watching on a terrestrial signal, is the delay still there ?

Butch Cassidy · 21-11-2010 9:53pm

To cut off Vincent Browne. Sky News is still live and RTE cut him off mid-interview.

Censorship not seen like this outside of maybe China.

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 9:53pm

Just in case you still want to watch it as RTE have cut coverage of questions - its on BBC news channel.

Brian Cowen has just answered questions from Vincent Brown, as he wants the Irish people to hear his answers - well RTE aren't showing the answers - the BBC are.

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 9:57pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

To be fair, RTE's feed might have to go through two upload sequences......don't know for definite, but the other station feeds would be direct from London through Sky.

If you are watching on a terrestrial signal, is the delay still there ?

Its live from Dublin -.

I have also checked on analogue and digital - a Geostationary satellite delay is at most 2 seconds.

Again why is there a 15 second delay? What are they afraid will happen?

wiseguy · 21-11-2010 10:03pm

In case somebody threw a shoe... or two :cool:

Hoffmans · 21-11-2010 10:03pm

Thats a 17 sec delay in total, vincent put cowen on the spot and he would not even at this stage give an honest answer, just on sky leading with 2 cops assaulting a protester whacking him off a mondeo and onto the ground

Nehaxak · 21-11-2010 10:04pm

Absolutely shocking behaviour from RTE in fairness, terrible carry-on. I would've expected this in China or North Korea but not here. Disgusted :mad:

Mr.Micro · 21-11-2010 10:04pm

sparkling sea wrote: »

Its live from Dublin -.

I have also checked on analogue and digital - a Geostationary satellite delay is at most 2 seconds.

Again why is there a 15 second delay? What are they afraid will happen?

Maybe that the truth will out. OR TE is a FF tool and has been for some time now IMO.

Butch Cassidy · 21-11-2010 10:09pm

sparkling sea wrote: »

Its live from Dublin -.

I have also checked on analogue and digital - a Geostationary satellite delay is at most 2 seconds.

Again why is there a 15 second delay? What are they afraid will happen?

I already told you: the public and worldwide humiliation of Brian Cowen courtesy of Vincent Browne.

Cowen avowed with a smirk on his face that he shouldn't go.

wylo · 21-11-2010 10:11pm

so they could cut it off as soon as Vincent came on.

BlaasForRafa · 21-11-2010 10:14pm

wiseguy wrote: »

In case somebody threw a shoe... or two :cool:

I wouldn't really have approved of violent protest before but the absolute smugness and arrogance of Brian Cowen in particular is astonishing. He keeps parroting about how he takes "full responsibility for his actions" but thats utter crap. I was almost hoping that we'd have a "shoe guy" as well as Cowen obviously does not feel any of shame or humiliation that he and his cronies have inflicted on this country.

NickDrake · 21-11-2010 10:15pm

Did RTE really cut of Vincent?? I was watching on BBC and they showed it untill the very end.

RTE are pure scum if that is the case.

steelcityblues · 21-11-2010 10:19pm

RTE have been a government propaganda outlet for sometime now!

I honestly was not that shocked that they cut away from the Browne grillin.

irishh_bob · 21-11-2010 10:21pm

Nehaxak wrote: »

Absolutely shocking behaviour from RTE in fairness, terrible carry-on. I would've expected this in China or North Korea but not here. Disgusted :mad:

by rte cutting away from vinnys savaging of cowen , more than three quaters of the population ( at least ) missed the only honest part of the whole half hour wafflathon , rte baschcially went into damage limitation mode so as 17% didnt become .17%

Mr.Micro · 21-11-2010 10:21pm

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I wouldn't really have approved of violent protest before but the absolute smugness and arrogance of Brian Cowen in particular is astonishing. He keeps parroting about how he takes "full responsibility for his actions" but thats utter crap. I was almost hoping that we'd have a "shoe guy" as well as Cowen obviously does not feel any of shame or humiliation that he and his cronies have inflicted on this country.

Biffo is not capable of taking responsibility.....his words are just words and mean nothing to him. He made an absolute hash of being Minister for Finance a nd he has reaped what he has sown as the most inept and incompetent Taoiseach ever.

Barname · 21-11-2010 10:23pm

RTE will be held to account in the forthcoming Traitor Trials.

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 10:25pm

I turned over to BBC to hear Brian Cowen (who I dont believe is even capable of telling the truth at this stage) tell Vincent Browne to be quite
while he gave the answers to questions that the Irish people needed to hear
the answers too - just not on RTE it seems.

But still why was a 15 second delay needed - this is really troubling me

Buford T Justice · 21-11-2010 10:29pm

Anyone got a link to where I can watch the proper video?

Byron85 · 21-11-2010 10:29pm

Is this anywhere online to watch?? This needs to be seen. I don't have a television so repeats are out of the question.

Nevyn · 21-11-2010 10:30pm

complaints@rte.ie

21-11-2010 10:33pm

Butch Cassidy wrote: »

To cut off Vincent Browne. Sky News is still live and RTE cut him off mid-interview.

Censorship not seen like this outside of maybe China.

time for everyone to stop paying the TV licence

Nehaxak · 21-11-2010 10:35pm

Thaedydal wrote: »

complaints@rte.ie

http://www.rte.ie/about/complaints.html

Code of Practice for the Handling of Complaints
RTÉ is obliged under Section 39 (1) of the Broadcasting Act 2009 to ensure that

(a) all news broadcast . is reported and presented in an objective and impartial manner and without any expression of the broadcaster's own views

(b) the broadcast treatment of current affairs, including matters which are either of public controversy or the subject of current public debate is fair to all interests concerned and that the broadcast matter is presented in an objective and impartial manner and without any expression of his or her own views, except that should it prove impracticable in relation to a single broadcast to apply this paragraph, two or more related broadcasts may be considered as a whole, if the broadcasts are transmitted within a reasonable period of each other

(d) anything which may reasonably be regarded as causing harm or offence, or as likely to promote, or incite to, crime or as tending to undermine the authority of the State, is not broadcast .

(e) in programmes . and in the means employed to make such programmes, the privacy of an individual is not unreasonably encroached upon.

(2) Nothing is subsection (1)(a) or (b) prevents (RTÉ) from transmitting party political broadcasts provided that (RTÉ) does not, in the allocation of time for such broadcasts, give an unfair preference to any political party

Complaints form...

http://www.rte.ie/about/RTE_Complaints_Form_2010.doc

I highlight in bold the parts of the act which I feel they have broken and which people should complain about in regards what they've done this evening and also highlight in red their possible line of defence - if they had the further gaul to do so...

Mac daddy · 21-11-2010 10:36pm

Byron85 wrote: »

Is this anywhere online to watch?? This needs to be seen. I don't have a television so repeats are out of the question.

Same trying to find it

OctavarIan · 21-11-2010 10:38pm

This is called a broadcast delay and has been used in live broadcasting for several decades. It's not usually as long as 15 seconds but it's nothing new at all.

irishh_bob · 21-11-2010 10:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

time for everyone to stop paying the TV licence

send rte a message that we are not north koreans

info@rte.ie

HQvhs · 21-11-2010 10:38pm

Nehaxak wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/about/complaints.html

Complaints form...

http://www.rte.ie/about/RTE_Complaints_Form_2010.doc

I highlight in bold the parts of the act which I feel they have broken and which people should complain about in regards what they've done this evening and also highlight in red their possible line of defence - if they had the further gaul to do so...

I have already submitted my complaint. I encourage everyone else here to do the same. It takes 2 minutes to fill out the form. Just point to the relevant pieces of the Act which you feel they have failed to uphold.

See here for more info: http://www.rte.ie/about/complaints.html

HQvhs · 21-11-2010 10:40pm

Duplicate post - woops!

IngazZagni · 21-11-2010 10:47pm

RTE are hardly biased. In fact I would argue they are anti Fianna Fail. Just look at all the grillings certain presenters have given them and just the other night allowing Pat Rabbit to go on an almighty tyrant against Pat Carey.

I think this situation is more to do with an idiot of a director rather than anything else.

Edit: As for the 15 second delay, if you are watching on Sky this has always been the case. Sky News comes direct from Sky. RTE however first has to send the signal to Sky and then Sky forward it to homes causing a delay. It's possible they delay the analog signal as well to keep everything in line.

Byron85 · 21-11-2010 10:49pm

Found it.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player.html

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 10:50pm

OctavarIan wrote: »

This is called a broadcast delay and has been used in live broadcasting for several decades. It's not usually as long as 15 seconds but it's nothing new at all.

Please dont pretend that this is the norm or even the normally way a profanity unit is used.

Time delay, broadcast delay, and more usually named a profanity delay - does it really matter? I am well aware of what delay units are called. It is very unusual for the delay to be 15 seconds so it is something way out of the ordinary - why was it necessary

They are usually employed so that bad language and/or libelous statements will not go out live on air, but they are sometimes used to censor other things that for one reason or another may need to be censored.

So why was there a 15 second delay tonight - it wasn't for technical reasons so why was it necessary.

Obiviously I have already complained to RTE

Byron85 · 21-11-2010 10:52pm

Byron85 wrote: »

Found it.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player.html

Vincent Browne starts asking questions at around 21.33 into it.

Poly · 21-11-2010 10:57pm

Thaedydal wrote: »

complaints@rte.ie

sending complaints to RTE is pointless, you will just get a polite PFO. It's a closed shop.

You need to send them here:

http://www.bai.ie/broadcasting_complaints.html

It's a little more work, but very satisfying

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 10:58pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

Edit: As for the 15 second delay, if you are watching on Sky this has always been the case. Sky News comes direct from Sky. RTE however first has to send the signal to Sky and then Sky forward it to homes causing a delay. It's possible they delay the analog signal as well to keep everything in line.

What

I was watching it on terrestrial channel, the signal wasn't being sent via Sky.

RTE obviously had a profanity delay on thats the point, they wouldn't usually have it on say Pat Kenny's Frontline so why did they employ it tonight.

My point is why did the Irish nation have to be protected from news from their own government by their own broadcaster while the rest of the Europe were not subjected to such treatment by their broadcastors - its shocking

Liam Byrne · 21-11-2010 10:58pm

Byron85 wrote: »

Vincent Browne starts asking questions at around 21.33 into it.

Curious.....I get a "seek failed" error.

Maybe it was indeed a "profanity delay".....I mean, if anyone was to ask Cowen some actual questions about why he lied all last week he was likely to mutter "those f*ckers".......

HQvhs · 21-11-2010 10:59pm

The delay isn't really what we should be concerned about. What is most troubling is the fact they cut off Vincent Browne's questioning of Brian Cowen half-way through for no apparent reason. Meanwhile, BBC and Sky continued to broadcast the remaining 2/3 minutes of the interview. It's absolutely disgraceful on RTE's part.

Byron85 · 21-11-2010 10:59pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Curious.....I get a "seek failed" error.

Try again. It appears to be the full press conference. Lenihan did not look one bit happy towards the end. Keep an eye on his body language and facial expressions.

Atlantic Dawn · 21-11-2010 11:05pm

BBC news just showed an ambulance outside government buildings, some poor protester just got minced by a ministerial merc.

vikingdub · 21-11-2010 11:09pm

NickDrake wrote: »

Did RTE really cut of Vincent?? I was watching on BBC and they showed it untill the very end.

RTE are pure scum if that is the case.

Yes they did.

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 11:13pm

HQvhs wrote: »

The delay isn't really what we should be concerned about. What is most troubling is the fact they cut off Vincent Browne's questioning of Brian Cowen half-way through for no apparent reason. Meanwhile, BBC and Sky continued to broadcast the remaining 2/3 minutes of the interview. It's absolutely disgraceful on RTE's part.

Yes we should be concerned about the delay- its there to censor information - why should our national broadcastor employ this strategy?
It doesn't feel the need to do this on the Late Late show, Frontline, etc. These programmes have audience partcipation so it would be possible to argue for a delay, but there was no reason to employ it tonight except for censorship reasons.

Why can I watch something sooner on a foreign channel relating to my own country.

The fact that they cut off the interview is of course also wrong

Nevyn · 21-11-2010 11:15pm

The press conference, or what RTE showed of it
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1121/economy.html#video

handlemaster · 21-11-2010 11:17pm

Time for protest not board room chat. I believe there is a protect next saturday in Dublin.maybe the people of Ireland will make an effort and support what we all believe this has been a shamefull government

Holy Warlord · 21-11-2010 11:19pm

RTE are a thundering disgrace.

Not just all of a sudden, either. Turdity, Finucane and the rest are overpaid useless toeing-the-line disconnected lazybrained wastes of space of the highest order.

handlemaster · 21-11-2010 11:22pm

show your discontent by actually protesting which every other democracy does. Theres a protect organised for next saturday in Dublin

dahat · 21-11-2010 11:25pm

Vincent browne is on tv3 in 10 mins,he may have the full conference

vikingdub · 21-11-2010 11:28pm

Just got this in reply to my email to RTE, I won't hold my breath for the response.

Thank you for contacting complaints@rte.ie. Your e-mail will be responded to as soon as possible.

RTÉ Corporate Communications

Go raibh maith agat as ucht do theagmhála chuig complaints@rte.ie. Cuirfear freagra ort a thúisce agus is féidir linn.

sparkling sea · 21-11-2010 11:28pm

handlemaster wrote: »

show your discontent by actually protesting which every other democracy does. Theres a protect organised for next saturday in Dublin

Good idea - however not everyone can get or afford to get to Dublin so maybe everyone should protest in their own city or town.

gurramok · 21-11-2010 11:29pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

BBC news just showed an ambulance outside government buildings, some poor protester just got minced by a ministerial merc.

Will we see this on RTE?:rolleyes:

At least the foreign stations are not hiding news from us.

copacetic · 21-11-2010 11:33pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

BBC news just showed an ambulance outside government buildings, some poor protester just got minced by a ministerial merc.

Sky showed protesters attacking cars leaving and a female garda being shoved in onto the ground in front of one of the cars by the 'poor protesters'. Appears to be the shell to sea crowd.

Byron85 · 21-11-2010 11:36pm

http://www.tv3.ie/live.php

Vincent Browne on now. Government ministers "declined" to come on.

SkepticOne · 22-11-2010 12:47am

Can anyone confirm that the Vincent Browne questions were cut from the live RTE broadcast? Was it an arbitrary cut or did it coincide with the end of the schedule? Was the cut immediately before Vincent Browne or was it cut some time earlier?

Why have RTE employed a 15 second time delay on the bailout announcement?

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