Tekken

VF 4 and 5 are a million billion times better than tek 5 and 6

Right that's settled it like a traveller with a new semi-detached, VF5 tomorrow XGC.

Sairus wrote: »

In Tekken, if I hit Right Kick at the start of a combo, it'll do something completely different than if I hit it in the middle of a combo. This stuff makes me feel totally disconnected from the fight.

That's something I've always liked about Tekken. With SF, six buttons gives you six normals at 5. But I've always remembered that Tekken as having 10 hit combos from a standing start, and you can input the first four or five buttons of the sequence then just do something else. I'm a total scrub at fighting games, never win just look for games that I can play with mates - but scrub v scrub, Tekken matches always feel more diverse.

Also, the control system felt more tailored to each character, you could get a feel for them being left or right-handed because of the movelist, the execution makes more sense to me than, e.g. reverse DP kick for Ibuki to do that forward jump stomp thing, for me that move is crowbarred onto a random input pattern because both of the quarter circles AND forward DP were already taken with other specials. In Tekken that would have been something more like right kick, right kick, left kick, left kick like Lei's weird scrabbly shin kick.

I know that reads like nonsense, but because I am used to Tekken execution, it really feels more intuitive.

Of course, Tekken is a ruined series:
- netcode was appalling at launch, unimproved after it was 'patched'
- matches are far from diverse: turtle, launcher, juggle, rinse, repeat
- scenario mode - nobody wants this, dev time on it was misspent
- bosses Jinpachi and Azazel, total nonsense
- destructible floors. DoA did this, and Soul Calibur, but it's a pretty useless mechanic. Why not put a VF ring out system in instead?
- rage. It doesn't really effect how a round is going. If they wanted a new mechanic BlazBlue's Guard Libra and Barrier Burst were much more interesting.

But, for the myriad of problems with it, I like it a hell of a lot more than the Street Fighter series - though it's apples/oranges. Don't know whether it's the Mishima characters being more interesting than SF's shotos or whether it's character's stance changes, or even though I can't stand juggles and refuse to learn to do it (seriously, why not just macro that crap?) I still like that a normal can connect if it's on target, whatever the opponent's state. And characters sometimes change over the series, e.g. Jin Tekken 3 v Jin Tekken 4, or how backgrounds would sometimes matter (fighting on stairs in Tekken 4 mids could become lows). Also, for me fireballs are boring, as are charge characters, and in Tekken most characters can't just jump higher than head height - they might be a space ninja, and use a sword for a helicopter, but they can occasionally obey some physical limitations.

Alas, for me VF for 3d, BB for 2d.

raze wrote: »

Also, for me fireballs are boring, as are charge characters, and in Tekken most characters can't just jump higher than head height - they might be a space ninja, and use a sword for a helicopter, but they can occasionally obey some physical limitations.

Alas, for me VF for 3d, BB for 2d.

Actually this is my biggest gripe with tekken in terms of visual appeal.

Whenever I look at tekken I see this, a guy floating in the air while another guy punches him in the leg/crotch and this punch keeps the guy floating in the air.

It just looks sooooo terrible. And yet some tekken players come out with stuff about it being more realistic etc etc.

I did really love tekken 3 for awhile though.

I never played VF but I played a 3d fighter on the PC called kwonho and enjoyed that for a time.


But fair enough you like what you like.

Tekken v streetfighter is gonna be pretty crazy.

I really loved the first few tekken games but when alpha grabbed my interest again there was no contest. As said before. Kicking and punching some crazy hitboxes keeping someone floating in the air was as far from street fighter as I could put up with.

They had the first irish fighting character in Nina though. I always thought that was cool.

I love the Tekken series, from a casual perspective (Story Mode, all that crap) and a competitive perspective (Less so than 2D fighters however). Have been playing Tekken games since T3, although T4 is where I really began to get interested in the series (despite it being the most hated of the series by the Tekken Community) and I spent countless hours playing T5. Missed Tekken Tag though.

I played T6 in Quirkey's until the console release, which temporarily killed my interest in the game for its poor online. Although I played one the Tekken lads and Joe a few times which was fun and with TxSF on the way, my competitive interest in the series may come back.

Everyone who doesn't play Tekken, and plenty who do, complain of how boring it is to watch. It is. It's basically watching an entire game of footsies, with the most exciting thing happening being a juggle into wall combo, no FADC - Ultra, or "Yomi" DP's.

A common misconception of the Tekken games is that it's all about juggles. That's like saying Street Fighter is all about combo's into Ultra/Super/whatever. It's just a part of the overall game. All launchers (to the best of my knowledge) are at least jab punishable, everytime you throw out at launcher and it gets blocked, you're going to eat damage. The game is not just based around juggles. You've got to have an understanding of spacing, high/low mixups, baiting, punishing etc.

Also the idea of juggles being easy/mindless is wrong. Some characters juggles have difficult stance changes mid combo (Law), some have just frame enders (Paul Phoenix) and some just have enders that are tricky to time (Bryan Fury imo). Not only that, but what you do after the launch is important, you have to think on your feet and choose quickly what option you're going to follow up with. Do you go for the simple ender for guaranteed damage, do you pass on the bigger damage option and go for a wall carry to attempt a wall combo or just for positioning, do you bound early in the combo for extra distance to the wall, do you bound late for extra damage at the wall or forget all those options, and instead bound your opponent and setup your okizeme, leading to a whole other list of options.

Im quite surprised the series has such a bad rep, I was under the impression it was quite a well liked series. Although maybe that's just a casual perspective.

Bob is the best character ever.

You're right on that one Doom. Tekken (and every 3D fighter) is far more fun for casual/new players to play than 2D fighters because the control scheme is so intuitive and there are so many string combos, that even pressing a few random buttons in a row can get you a cool looking combo.

Now in high level play, most of these string combos are probably useless and highly punishable, but casual players at least feel like they're doing something.

Casual players playing Street Fighter would very rarely pull off anything cool by hitting a few random buttons in a row.

The main reason we don't have competitive Tekken/3D players is because the jump from casual to serious is so high that it just puts people off.

It's far easier to pick up and play Tekken, but it's far easier to level up in Street Fighter.

I'll probably try one more time to get the Tekken scene going again, but I think it might just be a lost cause at this stage.

To be fair, tactics come into play regarding rage. People often stop their combo's before rage hits......and then initiate another one that will kill the opponent taking rage out of the equation. I don't play the game, but I saw that happen quite a bit in the Evo stream..

That's the other factor, people naturally want to go all out offense knowing that one CH or juggle starter will bring the round back... and forget to watch their shins.

As for the series in general, I still play it off and on. It certainly has it's share of flaws but the child in me still thinks its awesome to be a crazy guy with an animal mask wrasslin' people.

I'd consider DR the height of the series, both iterations of T6 just seem to lack polish. Probably the influence of the money men at Bandai or something, noticed a considerable drop in the quality of Namcos output around the time of the merger/takeover/whatever.