People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

Billcarson · 29-01-2020 7:38pm

road_high wrote: »

Difference between SF supporters and FG is that they (SF) sit around on their holes all day whining about the “government “ not doing enough to improve their miserable lives. FG voters go out, work and strive to improve things themselves and only seek a stable economy to allow that happen. As well as paying for the aforementioned and their never ending “entitlements “ we’re back to banana republic territory if the SF “manifesto” ever gets implemented (obviously it won’t as it is utter fantasy but they may try some of it). An utter failure of media scrutiny here

Christ your so full of ****. I will be voting sf.
In the words of Kevin Keegan " I would love it if we beat them, love it". Lol

christy c · 29-01-2020 7:42pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

On paper I agree about the vulture funds, though I do not know enough about the intricacies of how their assets work to have an informed opinion.

However, Sinn Féin is explicitly talking about 'intangible assets' in the form of Intellectual Property, and to this end we are talking about companies like Apple and Google.

Here is a good article talking about this today
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/explainer-what-is-the-row-about-sf-s-multinational-tax-plan-1.4155157

There seems to be two issues with Sinn Féin policy. One is that its immediate go-to of applying the 80 per cent rule on IP moved here between 2015 and 2017 would not actually generate any more revenue for the exchequer, merely when that money becomes available. The second, more serious issue is that if Sinn Fein was in a position to turn the screws on the large multinationals to fund their proposed large spending increases, that could potentially jeopardize a delicate and vital relationship that Ireland currently exercises.

Good article and analysis, thanks for posting. I'd be interested in hearing any SF voter's thoughts on this.

James Brown · 29-01-2020 7:46pm

Billcarson wrote: »

Christ your so full of ****. I will be voting sf.
In the words of Kevin Keegan " I would love to if we beat them, love it". Lol

There's one SF voter doing something to improve his 'miserable life', no longer 'bone idle', getting off his 'hole'...to vote SF. Well done FG posse you are the party for people who like to get up early of a morning...to vote for others.

christy c · 29-01-2020 7:53pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

There's one SF voter doing something to improve his 'miserable life', no longer 'bone idle', getting off his 'hole'...to vote SF. Well done FG posse you are the party for people who like to get up early of a morning...to vote for others.

Don't really agree with what others said about SF voter's but has your own disdain for your fellow electorate diminished in the last couple of weeks? You used to think that people voting for FF of FG were being conned. Consequently you were obviously smarter than them for being able to see through it I assume?

tipptom · 29-01-2020 7:59pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Ironically those who see themselves above others by virtue of supporting FG are the first to wallow in the gutter slinging mud about their fellow electorate. 'The best people' indeed.
It's pure ignorance. Calling the party leader autistic. Haven't seen an outrage thread on that number I suppose it doesn't help the cause, so dismiss it.

The new found champion for Gay issues seems to be to busy to start a "Disgusted from..", thread for that one,wonder why that would be?

James Brown · 29-01-2020 7:59pm

christy c wrote: »

Don't really agree with what others said about SF voter's but has your own disdain for your fellow electorate diminished in the last couple of weeks? You used to think that people voting for FF of FG were being conned. Consequently you were obviously smarter than them for being able to see through it I assume?

You 'don't really agree'?
It's gutter talk plain and simple.
Conned was giving people the benefit of the doubt. I do not believe most people would vote for FF/FG if they were fully aware of what they were letting themselves and others in for.
Don't you fret about me, stick to actual comments, parties and policies. You only ever comment on my posts to get a dig in. I can see why it's 'don't really agree'.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 8:00pm

christy c wrote: »

Don't really agree with what others said about SF voter's but has your own disdain for your fellow electorate diminished in the last couple of weeks? You used to think that people voting for FF of FG were being conned. Consequently you were obviously smarter than them for being able to see through it I assume?

Common sense or cop on is all that is required to see through a con.

joe40 · 29-01-2020 8:02pm

piplip87 wrote: »

Well on my friends list on social media the vast majority sharing the SF stuff and urging people to vote SF are all Full time mad Bastards, School of Hard Knocks or full time #Bossbabes....... Who can all be seen on a Monday mornj g collecting the social..... FG must not be that bad too them though of they can survive on 203 a week......

.I suppose when Mary Lou is Taoiseach they will have 245 a week from the dole.....

Although shops and businesses will have to raise Thier prices due to the 12 or 13 quid an hour living wage, on top of a hike in employers PRSI,

They will be worse off in the long run although as long as Dutch Gold stays cheap and they buy tobacco from good republicans they will be grand.

I'm seeing a lot of this sort of thing, trying to demonise all Sinn Fein supporters as unemployed wasters. Reprehensible really. Plenty of hard working people support Sinn Fein policy on some issues and are willing to give them a chance.

Fann Linn · 29-01-2020 8:03pm

christy c wrote: »

I'd be reasonably sure it adds up. Would it be fair to say you disagree with insurance federation chief economist? If so why? Granted he has a vested interest

Im just of the opinion that considering the Insurance industry is in the direct line of sight of SF it probably would have been more prudent for someone else to raise concerns.

After all, it's not too unfair to say that the Ins Fed definitely has skin in the game and cannot really claim to be impartial.

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:04pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You 'don't really agree'?
It's gutter talk plain and simple.
Conned was giving people the benefit of the doubt. I do not believe most people would vote for FF/FG if they were fully aware of what they were letting themselves and others in for.
Don't you fret about me, stick to actual comments, parties and policies.

No I don't really agree with what they said, nor am I fretting about you. Just highlighting your hypocrisy again.

So there's a massive portion of the population not fully aware of what they are letting themselves in for? Yet you are smart enough to see through it.

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:07pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Common sense or cop on is all that is required to see through a con.

Yes, so do you think Matt is saying all FF/FG voters have no cop on?

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 8:16pm

christy c wrote: »

Yes, so do you think Matt is saying all FF/FG voters have no cop on?

Ask Matt what he means.

For me I think people are comfortable with the 'con' and the pretending of FF and FG, because itisn't them who pay ultimately. 'I'm alright jack syndrome'.

For the record some of the laziest, cosseted and whining souls I have met are in full employment.

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:18pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ask Matt what he means.

The post you responded to was directed at Matt

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 8:20pm

christy c wrote: »

The post you responded to was directed at Matt

and?

I answered you and your interpretation.

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:27pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

and?

I answered you and your interpretation.

And nothing, you were saying ask another poster what he means when I had already replied to him.

maccored · 29-01-2020 8:29pm

is_that_so wrote: »

We have representative democracy, people elected to make these decisions and we get a say in who they are.

which is why people are complaining about housing, health, insurance etc. You seem quite happy to be taken for a ride - you get to say who they are, but you don't get a say in what they do and you think thats brilliant.

Wow -pure genius that. Never mind you actually put it down in writing on the internet.

No wonder you find the way SF runs weird - they practice actual democracy. Bound to be alien to you.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 8:29pm

christy c wrote: »

And nothing, you were saying ask another poster what he means when I had already replied to him.

Why were you seeking my help then? :rolleyes:

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:31pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why were you seeking my help then? :rolleyes:

I wasn't seeking help, you replied to one of my posts. I did likewise

RandomName2 · 29-01-2020 8:33pm

piplip87 wrote: »

Well on my friends list on social media the vast majority sharing the SF stuff and urging people to vote SF are all Full time mad Bastards, School of Hard Knocks or full time #Bossbabes....... Who can all be seen on a Monday mornj g collecting the social..... FG must not be that bad too them though of they can survive on 203 a week......

.I suppose when Mary Lou is Taoiseach they will have 245 a week from the dole.....

Although shops and businesses will have to raise Thier prices due to the 12 or 13 quid an hour living wage, on top of a hike in employers PRSI,

They will be worse off in the long run although as long as Dutch Gold stays cheap and they buy tobacco from good republicans they will be grand.

Their budget includes increasing taxation on cigarettes. I'm not sure what their position about dissidents who actively engage in smuggling in and around the border is. Maybe they would be less forgiving of this type of activity if it was hurting their treasury.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 8:33pm

christy c wrote: »

I wasn't seeking help, you replied to one of my posts. I did likewise

Yeh, you asked me what Matt thought. :rolleyes:

Strange. But carry on.

James Brown · 29-01-2020 8:39pm

christy c wrote: »

No I don't really agree with what they said, nor am I fretting about you. Just highlighting your hypocrisy again.

So there's a massive portion of the population not fully aware of what they are letting themselves in for? Yet you are smart enough to see through it.

christy c wrote: »

Missed this bit first time out, yeah maybe sometimes it's to get a dig in. But I've often commented where I highlighed lies, hypocrisy and waffle too.

You are doing exactly what I said, only commenting on my post to get a dig in.
You've now called me a hypocrite and a liar. Pretty nasty.
I'd rather you kept the discussion on topic and leave the personal be. Thanks.

Billcarson · 29-01-2020 8:41pm

I used to vote for ff when I was younger, but since 2007 I've been voting for sf. I was unhappy the way the country was going back in the mid noughties . I was able thankfully to get on the property ladder but many people my own age were priced out of the market and also rip off Ireland was in full swing. It was like there was no regulation no one shouting stop . So I turned against ff and decided to start voting sf ( didn't think and still dont that fg were any better than ff) and do my bit however small to break the ff / fg cycle.

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh, you asked me what Matt thought. :rolleyes:

Strange. But carry on.

Yes I asked after you responded to me, I didn't seek out your help as you put it. Anyway, I'll leave you to whatever it is you're at here.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 8:46pm

christy c wrote: »

Yes I asked after you responded to me, I didn't seek out your help as you put it. Anyway, I'll leave you to whatever it is you're at here.

Are we not allowed to respond?

Only you can come on and comment on others posts uninvited? Sorry boss!

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:47pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You are doing exactly what I said, only commenting on my post to get a dig in.

You already made that suggestion. I'd rather you kept the discussion on topic and leave the personal be. Thanks.

Nothing personal at all about highlighting hypocrisy in someones posts.

To get back on topic so, I have given my thoughts on the thread topic. (i.e. that people don't vote vote SF because they have economic policies that make Bertie look prudent). Would you consider the lowering of the pension age a good idea? If so why? My thoughts are that it is bonkers, especially given the ever decreasing pensioner to worker ratio

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:49pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are we not allowed to respond?

Only you can come on and comment on others posts uninvited? Sorry boss!

As I said I'll leave you to whatever you are up to. This is one of the rare occasions where I agree with Matt and I'd like to see the thread get back on topic.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 8:51pm

christy c wrote: »

whatever you are up to. .

Stranger.

Chill christy.

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:53pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Stranger.

Chill christy.

Perfectly chilled, bemused would be a more appropriate description.

christy c · 29-01-2020 8:56pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You've now called me a hypocrite and a liar. Pretty nasty.

Another edit I missed. Not nasty at all, accurate. Your post history is there.

piplip87 · 29-01-2020 9:17pm

Arrogant MayLooney again today.

Was told economists had criticized her manifesto and had issues with it....

Her reaponse.... Finnia Fail, Big Business and the crash.

Again it's very easy to promise massive spending when you won't turn up after the election

James Brown · 29-01-2020 9:21pm

piplip87 wrote: »

Arrogant MayLooney again today.

Was told economists had criticized her manifesto and had issues with it....

Her reaponse.... Finnia Fail, Big Business and the crash.

Again it's very easy to promise massive spending when you won't turn up after the election

Insightful and reasoned critique

jimmycrackcorm · 29-01-2020 9:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For the record some of the laziest, cosseted and whining souls I have met are in full employment.

Courtesy of Sinn Feins jobs for the boys

McMurphy · 29-01-2020 9:25pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ask Matt what he means.

For me I think people are comfortable with the 'con' and the pretending of FF and FG, because itisn't them who pay ultimately. 'I'm alright jack syndrome'.

For the record some of the laziest, cosseted and whining souls I have met are in full employment.

For some counter and balance, some of the lads within FG are so spectacularly feckin busy they can do two roles at once.

Lifting wedges of moolah from the Irish tax payer while doing jobs in Brussels at the same time.

Double jobhing as they say.

road_high · 29-01-2020 9:26pm

Edgware wrote: »

I.e. He opens the office for the engineer and makes sure there is paper in the printer

Alas Pearce the “engineer “ didn’t even make it that far. He found there’s a far easier career pretending to know something about economics/finance to gullible voters looking for easy answers via other people’s wallets. He mustn’t be as dumb as his career to date would otherwise suggest!

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 9:31pm

road_high wrote: »

Alas Pearce the “engineer “ didn’t even make it that far. He found there’s a far easier career pretending to know something about economics/finance to gullible voters looking for easy answers via other people’s wallets. He mustn’t be as dumb as his career to date would otherwise suggest!

Like the Dail's teachers, doctors and publicans found a handier way too?

maccored · 29-01-2020 9:32pm

piplip87 wrote: »

Arrogant MayLooney again today.

Was told economists had criticized her manifesto and had issues with it....

Her reaponse.... Finnia Fail, Big Business and the crash.

Again it's very easy to promise massive spending when you won't turn up after the election

she's terrible that one.

oh **** .. the brainwashing has worked on me after all....

road_high · 29-01-2020 9:33pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

A very ignorant and simplistic post.
You keep voting in FG and whinging about the squeezed middle. They give as many f***s about you as they do other tax payers on lower incomes. Enjoy.

I will of course as I want to hold onto my job and as much of my hard earned income as possible. I don’t buy into the SF fantasy of a nice life paid for by someone else. SFs focus is the low paid and unemployed.
I’m not here to sugar coat my views on SF or their looney tune manifesto and will never stop calling them out on their reckless and dangerous policies

James Brown · 29-01-2020 9:41pm

road_high wrote: »

I will of course as I want to hold onto my job and as much of my hard earned income as possible. I don’t buy into the SF fantasy of a nice life paid for by someone else. SFs focus is the low paid and unemployed.
I’m not here to sugar coat my views on SF or their looney tune manifesto and will never stop calling them out on their reckless and dangerous policies

Fine and dandy. No need to get nasty about people.
How do you feel about paying for 25 year leases off vulture funds who pay low tax?
A sky's the limit mystery cost on the NCH?

And where are all these lucky welfare recipients coming from? Might it be the exact same people FG are looking after, (quite rightly IMO) now?

Reckless, like national crises reckless?

That's all folks...

maccored · 29-01-2020 9:59pm

road_high wrote: »

I will of course as I want to hold onto my job and as much of my hard earned income as possible. I don’t buy into the SF fantasy of a nice life paid for by someone else. SFs focus is the low paid and unemployed.
I’m not here to sugar coat my views on SF or their looney tune manifesto and will never stop calling them out on their reckless and dangerous policies

theres quite a few people - many many in fact - who work everyday and can just about make ends meet. thats the definition of low paid if you ask me. which you werent mind you, but this is the internet

maccored · 29-01-2020 10:04pm

This whole "Sinn Fein voters are poor, stupid and ignorant" guff that you hear - i dont understand how those spouting it can't

A) realise how incredibly incorrect they are

everyone sees through it.

except for other fervent anti shinners - who wish to spread the word of how bad the shinners are so much, thats most of the SF related threads are created by them - of course

Beasty · 29-01-2020 10:06pm

christy c and Matt Barrett - cut out the bickering and discuss the topic rather than each other

Any questions PM me

Bishop of hope · 29-01-2020 10:14pm

maccored wrote: »

This whole "Sinn Fein voters are poor, stupid and ignorant" guff that you hear - i dont understand how those spouting it can't

A) realise how incredibly incorrect they are

everyone sees through it.

except for other fervent anti shinners - who wish to spread the word of how bad the shinners are so much, thats most of the SF related threads are created by them - of course

It should work both Ways , people being called stupid for voting FF/FG always and again too.
Everyone is entitled to vote as their opinion tells them, doesent make them stupid or ignorant or anything sinister, just people mostly hoping things will get better and believing their choice is hopefully the right one.

maccored · 29-01-2020 10:17pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It should work both Ways , people being called stupid for voting FF/FG always and again too.
Everyone is entitled to vote as their opinion tells them, doesent make them stupid or ignorant or anything sinister, just people mostly hoping things will get better and believing their choice is hopefully the right one.

to be fair, its usually trotted out about SF. Have a look through this thread and you'll find enough posts about SF voters being poor, unemployed or a bit thick.

Hence my post because Im surprised those posting it dont see how incorrect that assumption is. Plus - we, the squeezed middle - are the working poor so even if the poster was correct, they'd still be wrong

Bishop of hope · 29-01-2020 10:46pm

I wonder will the good news on the housing front this evening change any minds?

James Brown · 29-01-2020 10:48pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It should work both Ways , people being called stupid for voting FF/FG always and again too.
Everyone is entitled to vote as their opinion tells them, doesent make them stupid or ignorant or anything sinister, just people mostly hoping things will get better and believing their choice is hopefully the right one.

That's what I mean when I said conned, (where ever that was, dont recall, but said it certainly).
I believe most people are well meaning. The only way I can marry that to voting FF/FG is in that they believe they have society's well being at heart. I dont think they do and I dont think the decent folk that vote for them are liars, so they must be swallowing the PR. Did it myself in 2011. I don't consider that an insult personally. They can say the same of me and I'll accept that.
Some of the stuff posted here today was rotten IMO.

The Rape of Lucretia · 29-01-2020 11:21pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

A sky's the limit mystery cost on the NCH?

No problem. Art is never an expense. As long as it gets back to being an NCH and stops programming pop stuff and mass appeal music. €74M is a pittance anyway in the greater scheme of things.

James Brown · 29-01-2020 11:44pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No problem. Art is never an expense. As long as it gets back to being an NCH and stops programming pop stuff and mass appeal music. €74M is a pittance anyway in the greater scheme of things.

Are you thinking of NCAD?

smurgen · 29-01-2020 11:49pm

maccored wrote: »

theres quite a few people - many many in fact - who work everyday and can just about make ends meet. thats the definition of low paid if you ask me. which you werent mind you, but this is the internet

As someone who's doing good I can honestly say I would still vote SF. I have no problem paying higher taxes. However the absolute waste I see by FG and the low return on tax spend is criminal. I absolutely think the established two parties need a drastic and immediate shaking up. Our country is suffering due to the cosy cartel of FF and FG.

SafeSurfer · 29-01-2020 11:50pm

Can anyone explain how Sinn Fein can deliver the promised Sligo to Derry train, western rail corridor, Limerick light rail, Dart underground, Luas extension, to name but a few for €1.3 billion? Not credible

Can anyone explain how Sinn Fein can deliver 100,000 houses for €65,000 each? Not credible

Claims that their manifesto has been fully costed by the department of finance turns out to be full of qualifications from the department. Incredible

smurgen · 29-01-2020 11:53pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Can anyone explain how Sinn Fein can deliver the promised Sligo to Derry train, western rail corridor, Limerick light rail, Dart underground, Luas extension, to name but a few for €1.3 billion? Not credible

Can anyone explain how Sinn Fein can deliver 100,000 houses for €65,000 each? Not credible

Claims that their manifesto has been fully costed by the department of finance turns out to be full of qualifications from the department. Incredible

Tell me something did you ask the same questions when FF with the backing of FG decided to blow 64 billion EURO on the banks and mortgage generations?

People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

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