RIC and DMP to be commemorated this month

buried · 05-01-2020 9:37pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Never heard it called the "hunger' before now!
Not in school, not in college, not anywhere.
All references on the internet and reference books call it the Irish Famine (the great famine) primarily caused by potato blight......

Maybe it should be officially renamed?

Yeah it should. A 'Famine' usually means everybody in the afflicted area dies through starvation.

corner of hells · 05-01-2020 9:40pm

saabsaab wrote: »

Nobody knows who killed him and at this stage we probably never will.

Its fairly well documented who shot hom.

saabsaab · 05-01-2020 9:52pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Its fairly well documented who shot hom.

Denis ‘Sonny’ O’Neill? There is still debate it was him, there are several other theories on this. Would be interesting to see the British Intelligence files on this. Hard to believe he was shot by a fellow Corkman.

corner of hells · 05-01-2020 9:55pm

saabsaab wrote: »

Denis ‘Sonny’ O’Neill? There is still debate it was him, there are several other theories on this. Would be interesting to see the British Intelligence files on this. Hard to believe he was shot by a fellow Corkman.

It would.
He sounds like an interesting character. I'd imagine it's a very raw topic in parts of Cork and Munster.Indicative of the viciousness of the time.

Strazdas · 05-01-2020 10:02pm

Bambi wrote: »

Is that a desperate attempt at a subject change I see?

No, I'm challenging your 'Irish physical force nationalism = good, anyone on the opposite side to Irish physical force nationalism = bad' mantra.

Who were the good guys and bad guys in the Civil War? That was Irish militant nationalism at war with itself and using tactics as vicious as any oppressor.

Lefty Bicek · 05-01-2020 10:08pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Never heard it called the "hunger' before now!

Not in school, not in college, not anywhere. All references on the internet and reference books call it the Irish Famine (the great famine) primarily caused by potato blight......

Maybe it should be officially renamed?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/276066.The_Great_Hunger

Anyone who knows the first thing about the period will be aware of it.

jippo nolan · 05-01-2020 10:12pm

corks finest wrote: »

Civil war affected Cork,Kerry and Munster mostly that's why

While many were hiding under there beds!

corner of hells · 05-01-2020 10:14pm

jippo nolan wrote: »

While many were hiding under there beds!

Ah here , its gonna turn into who's county did what in the Civil War / War of Independence shortly.

saabsaab · 05-01-2020 10:36pm

https://www.jstor.org/stable/30001971?seq=1

Above link re De Valera's MI5 file. There must have been one on Michael collins too as well as all senior members of the Government?

padohaodha · 05-01-2020 10:41pm

frosty123 wrote: »

Really? how about up north GAA clubs naming medals & awards after ex-provos??

And the state funeral a few years back for Donavan Rossa a man who encouraged terrorist acts & methods.

O'Donovan Rossa died in 1915.How did he get a state funeral????

Edgware · 05-01-2020 11:23pm

The French Ambassador has notified the Government he is unable to attend. He has a prior engagement at the Klaus Barbie commemoration in Lyon

katiek102010 · 06-01-2020 1:39am

So they are going to commerate the black and tans.

The bastards who raped and murdered my ancestors along with many of yours

I knew FG were ****, I didn't realise how low they would go

katiek102010 · 06-01-2020 2:13am

whisky_galore wrote: »

What do you mean, reopening wounds?
What wounds? Is this going to spark off WOI or Civil War part deux?

All survivors of the WOI are long dead.

All I note are people who have never been in the WOI or seen real violence in their lives being offended by and for dead people.

They may be dead but its living memories for some. My grandfathers fought, I have met them and spoken with them. My great uncle was very active and became a much loved politician after.

It may not mean as much to my son but I have heard from the horses mouth the horrors they witnessed and never forgot.

It is very very real still for many

katiek102010 · 06-01-2020 2:23am

tipptom wrote: »

The biggest hoax perpetrated on at least half the world was to make idiots believe that native people eventually fighting back in their own country against British invader terrorism were the terrorists.

Look to the British for the gold standard in terrorist acts and methods which included using native paid informers and collaborators for their murder machine.

I fully agree. The old IRA were not terrorists. The terrorist label is thrown around too much.

The oppressor will always label the freedom fighter a terrorist. In WW2 the nazis would have labelled the allied forces as terrorists when in reality it is the other way round.

The most important thing to remember with history or any story you read or hear, it is always biased to the tellers pov.

katiek102010 · 06-01-2020 2:25am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Famine means shortage of food.

There was no shortage of food.

There was only shortage of potatoes, no other food. It was genocide. It cannot be called anything else

whisky_galore · 06-01-2020 10:30am

Strazdas wrote: »

No, I'm challenging your 'Irish physical force nationalism = good, anyone on the opposite side to Irish physical force nationalism = bad' mantra.

Who were the good guys and bad guys in the Civil War? That was Irish militant nationalism at war with itself and using tactics as vicious as any oppressor.

Upcoming Civil War commemoration is going to be a far more interesting prospect.

Here's a thing about RIC/DMP commemoration, you don't like it, don't go to it. It's that simple.

TwoMonthsOff · 06-01-2020 11:08am

katiek102010 wrote: »

There was only shortage of potatoes, no other food. It was genocide. It cannot be called anything else

The Perfect Holocaust is a good book on the subject.

cameramonkey · 06-01-2020 11:16am

Here are some of the Irish Constabulary's actions during the tithe war. It is interesting to note they seemed at ease in murdering large amounts of demonstrators to collect tithes from poor Catholic farmers for the Church of Ireland bishops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe_War

DrumSteve · 06-01-2020 11:48am

I think these sort of events are saying to Unionists, look, were willing to commemorate some aspects of the british while they were here.

If we want unity, it has to be a two way street with them.

I will say, I don't agree with the Tans getting their day out, probably would have drawn the line at the RIC.

CrankyHaus · 06-01-2020 11:56am

DrumSteve wrote: »

I think these sort of events are saying to Unionists, look, were willing to commemorate some aspects of the british while they were here.

If we want unity, it has to be a two way street with them.

I will say, I don't agree with the Tans getting their day out, probably would have drawn the line at the RIC.

The calls to commemorate the RIC aren't coming from Stormont but from Dublin Castle.

Unionists have had pretty much sweet FA to say on the issue.
It's largely Gardai and retired Gardai who had antecedents in the RIC and want our official history whitewashed to honour them.

The reconciliation angle is just PR slapped onto this vanity measure to smear anyone with a fondness for historical truth and accuracy as some Ra loving bogman who wants to keep this country in the 1930s.

KWAG2019 · 06-01-2020 2:01pm

Lord Mayor of Cork is not attending this shameful event.

Winning_Stroke · 06-01-2020 2:32pm

Ara sure, why not. We should have a statue of Johnny Mad Dog Adair on O'Connell street too.

marieholmfan · 06-01-2020 2:36pm

Winning_Stroke wrote: »

Ara sure, why not. We should have a statue of Johnny Mad Dog Adair on O'Connell street too.

We should open a chain of chippers called Treveleyan's

dresden8 · 06-01-2020 5:05pm

Hopefully they hold it in Croke Park. From the Hogan stand.

Lefty Bicek · 06-01-2020 6:55pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Upcoming Civil War commemoration is going to be a far more interesting prospect.

Here's a thing about RIC/DMP commemoration, you don't like it, don't go to it. It's that simple.

It isn't that simple.

'Don't like it, therefore object to it in principle' is a much more decent position to take.

saabsaab · 06-01-2020 7:04pm

There is a villiage I know of that is rumored to have a ghost figure. Said to be a 'Tan' or 'Auxie' that died there and appears near a corner on the way out of the village. Not said to do a lot but stands and stares.

Lefty Bicek · 06-01-2020 7:06pm

saabsaab wrote: »

There is a villiage I know of that is rumored to have a ghost figure. Said to be a 'Tan' or 'Auxie' that died there and appears near a corner on the way out of the village. Not said to do a lot but stands and stares.

Put a GS uniform on him, no-one know the difference.

saabsaab · 06-01-2020 7:07pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

It isn't that simple.

'Don't like it, therefore object to it in principle' is a much more decent position to take.

True, it isn't that simple, these things rarely are. This is being done on behalf of the people of the 26 counties by their government.

saabsaab · 06-01-2020 7:09pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Put a GS uniform on him, no-one know the difference.

Never thought of that, might be a GS waiting in the shadows to stop a few cars! That and locals lads having a few too many.

Dr. Bre · 06-01-2020 7:10pm

Build a statue of Cromwell while we are at it

theguzman · 06-01-2020 7:19pm

Even the Germans are smart enough to not go commemorating the National Socialists.

Millionaire only not · 06-01-2020 7:20pm

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Lord Mayor of Cork is not attending this shameful event.

Fair play to him , 24 counties left or is that 30 to go

Montage of Feck · 06-01-2020 7:27pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No one deserves to be killed for either their political beliefs or simply doing their job.

No one.

Repression and trechery isn't a normal requirement for most jobs. The RIC was an armed paramilitary force, as the saying goes "live by the sword, die by the sword".

The high horse brigade · 06-01-2020 7:27pm

Why don't we commemorate the Nazis while we're at it!

Montage of Feck · 06-01-2020 7:28pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Build a statue of Cromwell while we are at it

A good Republican.

06-01-2020 7:31pm

I couldn’t say what I really want to here, but I just hope people will remember this when it comes to an election. Sickening but not unexpected with FG and Drew Harris running the show.

corks finest · 06-01-2020 7:32pm

saabsaab wrote: »

Nobody knows who killed him and at this stage we probably never will.

Well as my family were all anti free state Collins signed his own death warrant ,end of

corks finest · 06-01-2020 7:34pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I couldn’t say what I really want to here, but I just hope people will remember this when it comes to an election. Sickening but not unexpected with FG and Drew Harris running the show.[/quote leo the Langer is truly am awful leader,who has no cultural, historical,or family toes with Ireland,so it's really not surprising the way he acts

corks finest · 06-01-2020 7:34pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I couldn’t say what I really want to here, but I just hope people will remember this when it comes to an election. Sickening but not unexpected with FG and Drew Harris running the show.[/quote leo the Langer is truly am awful leader,who has no cultural, historical,or family toes with Ireland,so it's really not surprising the way he acts

corks finest · 06-01-2020 7:35pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Never heard it called the "hunger' before now!

Not in school, not in college, not anywhere. All references on the internet and reference books call it the Irish Famine (the great famine) primarily caused by potato blight......

Maybe it should be officially renamed?

An gorta mor

spurious · 06-01-2020 7:41pm

The ignorance of Irish History in this thread is fantastic.

TwoMonthsOff · 06-01-2020 7:43pm

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1214209061966811136?s=09

He's an arrogant c**t

whisky_galore · 06-01-2020 7:43pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

It isn't that simple.

'Don't like it, therefore object to it in principle' is a much more decent position to take.

I couldn't care one way or the other but all these people getting triggered sure is funny.

LuasSimon · 06-01-2020 7:47pm

Fine Gael wish we were still part of the United Kingdom , Charlie Flanagan and the South Dublin oligarchs and don’t forget RTÉ ( BBC Donnybrook) and (British )Independent Newspapers

saabsaab · 06-01-2020 7:56pm

corks finest wrote: »

Well as my family were all anti free state Collins signed his own death warrant ,end of

Michael Collins was the main man who beat British Intelligence at their own game and forced them to the table.

Even De Valera himself said that he was the one man who could have ended the Civil War early. Collins said on signing the peace treaty that he had signed his actual death warrant. R.I.P.

saabsaab · 06-01-2020 8:01pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Build a statue of Cromwell while we are at it

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-statue-of-oliver-cromwell-found-after-8-years-missing-903732.html

Someone beat you to it!

the_syco · 06-01-2020 8:03pm

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Why don't we commemorate the Nazis while we're at it!

Before Ireland became a republic, all people in Ireland were british... :pac:

The Rape of Lucretia · 06-01-2020 8:07pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

Fine Gael wish we were still part of the United Kingdom , Charlie Flanagan and the South Dublin oligarchs and don’t forget RTÉ ( BBC Donnybrook) and (British )Independent Newspapers

Its a reasonable position to take, and must be respected. Not everyone wants to be farmers, learn to speak Irish, dance at the cross roads, and go to mass twice a day.

Fann Linn · 06-01-2020 8:07pm

the_syco wrote: »

Before Ireland became a republic, all people in Ireland were british... :pac:

....according to the british.'
Fyp.

Junkyard Tom · 06-01-2020 8:18pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its a reasonable position to take, and must be respected.

Who says I must respect people who wish to reverse our independence?

Fuck that.

RIC and DMP to be commemorated this month

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