Compiling a list of FG poor performance

05-12-2019 5:02pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I'd say yes. Every other voting option is better even Fianna Fail and I think they should be made an illegal organisation based on past actions.

You're living down to my expectations, Matt! Imagine endorsing a vote for the likes of the Healy Raes or Shane Ross!

Donnielighto · 05-12-2019 5:13pm

171170 wrote: »

Correct.

Mad Dog McDowell was really enjoying being Tanaiste and Minister for Justice so, when the minor issue of Bertie's dodgy dig-outs cropped up, he completely copped out. Talked big, but when the opportunity came for him to show the Irish electorate that the Pee Dees genuinely stood for a different sort of politics, he was found lacking. I was delighted by his hissy fit when he lost his seat in the subsequent election!

I was hoping they would walk. Hoped they would be a catalyst for change in Ireland.

Rubberchikken · 05-12-2019 5:16pm

please, the internet isnt big enough to contain the list of useless sods in FG or the others for that matter.

X111111111111 · 05-12-2019 5:39pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Peter Casey can barely string a sentence together, fair play to him for being a successful business man but he’s not a politician.

Who cares. Trump can hardly string two words together and he's done wonders for Americans. Politicians all talk a good game that's the problem.

Idbatterim · 05-12-2019 5:54pm

X111111111111 wrote: »

Who cares. Trump can hardly string two words together and he's done wonders for Americans. Politicians all talk a good game that's the problem.

casey cant string two sentences together, but obviously did ok for himself in his personal life?... Now lets take a look at a smooth talker, who will we pick? how about king spoofer himself? Varadkar, that joke, that joke is the reason that I doubt many people care for these wafflers anymore, an expert on every ministry but his own! But yeah, lets get more spoofers in, exactly what the country needs :rolleyes:

given that varadkar had the answer to everything, how is it even conceivable that during a boom , with very low official unemployment, that they are in danger of playing second fiddle to the other unstoppable joke of a force in irish politics, FF?

zephyro · 05-12-2019 6:07pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

These rats take nearly one hundred k a year from me in taxes, through my business and personal taxes.

If this is true, why don't you just change your tax residence to somewhere with less ridiculous taxes?

Suckit · 05-12-2019 7:31pm

zephyro wrote: »

If this is true, why don't you just change your tax residence to somewhere with less ridiculous taxes?

Some crazy folk think there may be something worth staying here and fighting for. Hoping that one day we can remove corruption to almost zero levels and have a lot more transparency hopefully leading to a reduction in taxes. But as I said, that's just some crazy folks and their pipe dreams.

rossie1977 · 05-12-2019 8:18pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion. So my other options are parties further to the left? yes previous FG voter, I mean they said they work reward workers, I idiotically took them at their word. Peter Casey would get a mass amount of media attention which would be priceless, I reckon if he started a new party before this GE and had candidates in place, he could win around the ten seat mark! Which would be very significant here!

As if I think peter casey is a messiah, but he is one person, who resonated with a lot of people. Isnt a professional liar like the others. He expressed an interested in politics and went from less than 1% to low 20's in the presidential election, because of speaking the truth on a single topic!!!

How can they be left and not reward workers, that in itself doesn't work. The further right you go the more power workers as a whole lose.

Casey is one person, he doesn't have a party or more to the point lead a party so at this point couldn't be Taoiseach and can't run the country.

Re welfare. The majority of welfare spending is on pensions and disability/carers. Any party attempting to cut either majorly would be gone in 6 months. The strongest and most vocal voting segment in this country are pensioners. Ireland's population is aging so those segments will grow over next two to three decades. FG have also cut welfare everywhere they could. Rates now and in 2009 have remained the same, again not something a left wing party would do.

There is a constant crisis in our health department. Closing smaller hospitals emergency units much as Roscommon (again not a something a left wing party would do) has contributed to the crisis but Irelands population has increased by 1 million since 2002 with very few extra beds added and we had a health crisis in 2002 and 2007 https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/more-than-41000-on-waiting-lists-44215.html

christy c · 05-12-2019 8:19pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

This will be particularly useful in the run up to the GE

No, on its own it will be useless. You would need to do this for all parties you are considering voting for, given the poor standard of politics.

Although some idiots seem to think things can't get any worse, despite our neighbors making a dog's dinner their country with Brexit.

Snow Garden · 05-12-2019 8:20pm

Cervical Check scandal. Ongoing.

The expensive, bloated superquango that is Irish Water.

"Not Another Red Cent"...Negotiating a terrible deal with the EU for accepting private banking debt onto our national debt. Our national debt will cripple us in the next recession.

Insurance Fraud and Costs. Alan Farrell. Josepha Madigan.

Garda Corruption. Faking breath tests, penalty points, Maurice McCabe (to be fair Leo did the right thing there and I commend him for it) etc.

Seanad Reform.

Childrens Hospital saga.

Dodgy Expenses (I don't think we know the half of it)

Giving total failures like Phil Hogan and Dara Murphy big jobs in the EU.

Publishing the New Politics document and then ignoring it completely when in government.

The rehabilitation of Fianna Fail.

Fine Gael are the party of waste, corruption and fraud. And I voted for them for nearly 20 years!
.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-12-2019 8:32pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Cervical Check scandal. Ongoing.

The expensive, bloated superquango that is Irish Water.

"Not Another Red Cent"...Negotiating a terrible deal with the EU for accepting private banking debt onto our national debt. Our national debt will cripple us in the next recession.

Insurance Fraud and Costs. Alan Farrell. Josepha Madigan.

Garda Corruption. Faking breath tests, penalty points, Maurice McCabe (to be fair Leo did the right thing there and I commend him for it) etc.

Seanad Reform.

Childrens Hospital saga.

Dodgy Expenses (I don't think we know the half of it)

Publishing the New Politics document and then ignoring it completely when in government.

The rehabilitation of Fianna Fail.

Fine Gael are the party of waste, corruption and fraud. And I voted for them for nearly 20 years!
.

And what are FF?

Waste- Check

Corruption- Check

Fraud- Check

Snow Garden · 05-12-2019 8:33pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And what are FF?

Waste- Check

Corruption- Check

Fraud- Check

2 wrongs don't make a right

Jinglejangle69 · 05-12-2019 8:34pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

2 wrongs don't make a right

Yes but my point is what is it that there is not one FF thread here when they do exactly the same?

Sleeper12 · 05-12-2019 8:48pm

Diceicle wrote:

Direct Provision Irish Water

31 posts before Irish water is mentioned. It just shows what short memories we have.

Boggles · 05-12-2019 8:51pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yes but my point is what is it that there is not one FF thread here when they do exactly the same?

Jesus, go back to the time of the bail out you might find a few.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-12-2019 8:53pm

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, go back to the time of the bail out you might find a few.

Seems all is forgiven.

terenc · 05-12-2019 9:09pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

How can they be left and not reward workers, that in itself doesn't work. The further right you go the more power workers as a whole lose.

Casey is one person, he doesn't have a party or more to the point lead a party so at this point couldn't be Taoiseach and can't run the country.

Re welfare. The majority of welfare spending is on pensions and disability/carers. Any party attempting to cut either majorly would be gone in 6 months. The strongest and most vocal voting segment in this country are pensioners. Ireland's population is aging so those segments will grow over next two to three decades. FG have also cut welfare everywhere they could. Rates now and in 2009 have remained the same, again not something a left wing party would do.

There is a constant crisis in our health department. Closing smaller hospitals emergency units much as Roscommon (again not a something a left wing party would do) has contributed to the crisis but Irelands population has increased by 1 million since 2002 with very few extra beds added and we had a health crisis in 2002 and 2007 https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/more-than-41000-on-waiting-lists-44215.html

Casey might be one person and have no party backing but what he has is honesty which is in short supply in Irish Politics and I admire him for that , this country is slowly becoming a country of freeloaders "why work or get out of bed for anything less then 200 euros a week and if your in Government your a lotto winner" The workers (which we are running low on I would say are rightly pissed of with the social welfare system in this country stay in bed and we will reward you and its not your fault that society has failed you and the worker has not paid enough tax over to youse. Great country if your not a worker.

Loafing Oaf · 05-12-2019 9:30pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion. So my other options are parties further to the left? yes previous FG voter, I mean they said they work reward workers, I idiotically took them at their word.

I know you're not being truly self-deprecating here, but anyone with much political awareness would have recognized that stuff about 'rewarding workers' was just idle talk. FG face no serious competition to their right so they are inevitably going to be dragged towards more welfarist policies for fear of losing votes to FF and the soft-left parties.

Snow Garden · 05-12-2019 10:52pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yes but my point is what is it that there is not one FF thread here when they do exactly the same?

Name the FF TDs that have been up to their neck in insurance fraud and dodgy expenses in the last 6 months.

I can name the FG ones for you.

Maria Bailey
Alan Farrell
Josepha Madigan
Dara Murphy
Enda Kenny
Michelle Mulherrin (Senator now I know but she did the same when a TD in 2016 and somehow is still at it)

Snow Garden · 05-12-2019 11:05pm

To be fair the Irish electorate fcuked most of the FF TDs out of the Dail in 2011 and with good cause (they only had 20 seats after GE11)

Enda and his diabolical leadership and Irish Water allowed FF make a mini comeback in 2016 (they rose to 44 seats)

Leo is making them looking like competent angels.

McMurphy · 05-12-2019 11:23pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Name the FF TDs that have been up to their neck in insurance fraud and dodgy expenses in the last 6 months.

I can name the FG ones for you.

Maria Bailey
Alan Farrell
Josepha Madigan
Dara Murphy
Michelle Mulherrin (Senator now I know but she did the same when a TD in 2016 and somehow is still at it)

Enda Kenny too.

Snow Garden · 06-12-2019 10:29am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Name the FF TDs that have been up to their neck in insurance fraud and dodgy expenses in the last 6 months.

I can name the FG ones for you.

Maria Bailey
Alan Farrell
Josepha Madigan
Dara Murphy
Enda Kenny
Michelle Mulherrin (Senator now I know but she did the same when a TD in 2016 and somehow is still at it)

I am waiting Jingles

is_that_so · 06-12-2019 10:31am

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is that National Concert Hall on that list

This is the failing of acronyms, one needs to be in the know.

is_that_so · 06-12-2019 10:32am

Idbatterim wrote: »

a vote for FG is already a vote for the left in my opinion. So my other options are parties further to the left? yes previous FG voter, I mean they said they work reward workers, I idiotically took them at their word. Peter Casey would get a mass amount of media attention which would be priceless, I reckon if he started a new party before this GE and had candidates in place, he could win around the ten seat mark! Which would be very significant here!

As if I think peter casey is a messiah, but he is one person, who resonated with a lot of people. Isnt a professional liar like the others. He expressed an interested in politics and went from less than 1% to low 20's in the presidential election, because of speaking the truth on a single topic!!!

Hell hath no fury like an ex-voter with a grudge!:D

Wanderer78 · 06-12-2019 10:34am

Fg, a vote for the left, hahaha, ffs

Idbatterim · 06-12-2019 10:45am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Fg, a vote for the left, hahaha, ffs

There is an obscene welfare state. Outrageous marginal rate of tax over a pittance of an income...

The tories in the uk could be described as centre right , so yeah , fg on many issues , could be described as left wing. Medical cards , free travel , tv license for loads of the population, its endless

Wanderer78 · 06-12-2019 10:50am

Idbatterim wrote:

There is an obscene welfare state. Outrageous marginal rate of tax over a pittance of an income...

No there's not, have you ever actually spoken to people on welfare? Maybe there's a suppression of wages occuring?

Idbatterim wrote:

The tories in the uk could be described as centre right , so yeah , fg on many issues , could be described as left wing. Medical cards , free travel , tv license for loads of the population, its endless

Really, fg aren't left wing, fcuking hell! I suspect fg just aren't more conservative than you want them to be

Boggles · 06-12-2019 10:53am

Idbatterim wrote: »

There is an obscene welfare state.

You don't have half a million waiting to see a consultant in a welfare state.

But you keep going ahead talking complete bollíx.

suicide_circus · 06-12-2019 11:06am

Boggles wrote: »

You don't have half a million waiting to see a consultant in a welfare state.

But you keep going ahead talking complete boll

its a badly managed welfare state but its still a welfare state. a person in this country can be born, schooled, housed, clothed, fed, treated, have children, have their own cash, take holidays etc all without ever working a day in their lives. if thats not a welfare state, i dont know what it is.

Loafing Oaf · 06-12-2019 11:11am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I suspect fg just aren't more conservative than you want them to be

And isn't he entitled to that view?

Compiling a list of FG poor performance

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