Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

tara73 · 15-09-2019 5:54pm

Brian? wrote: »

There was no mental game playing or hassle from intel. That clear enough for you?

wohooo, now you seem to be the CEO of Intel yourself or what? ridiculous..

Brian? · 15-09-2019 6:00pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about them?
Are you trying to imply that they might lose their jobs (which is complete nonsense)

1. He believes there is a potential issue and is using his legal right to ensure this isn't the case.
2. Whose livleihoods exactly are being jeopardised?

About 6000 construction workers and 4000 permanent workers. If intel can’t build new fabs the site will be gone in 5-7 years. You think they just build a fab and use it forever?

Brian? · 15-09-2019 6:03pm

tara73 wrote: »

wohooo, now you seem to be the CEO of Intel yourself or what? ridiculous..

As I said before. If intel were blackmailing or intimidating Reid he would have said so. It’s pretty straight forward.

Also, there is zero chance of a company like intel intimidating or blackmailing anyone. It simply wouldn’t happen. I base these opinions on reality, not some weird fantasy you seem to live in where corporations are run by Dick Dastardly

puppieperson1 · 15-09-2019 6:08pm

why cant intel move to the midlands where housing is cheaper an the jobs would be great or limerick they want to ****ing own kildare

Call me Al · 15-09-2019 6:33pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about them?
Are you trying to imply that they might lose their jobs (which is complete nonsense)

1. He believes there is a potential issue and is using his legal right to ensure this isn't the case.
2. Whose livleihoods exactly are being jeopardised?

A. Thats exactly what I think will happen. Leixlip has to compete with other sites that are all vying to process the next generations of technology. Do you think the company will invest further here if there is no prospect for expansion? Or will it stagnate as next generation development is snatched up by sites in the US and Israel who are only too keen to see Irish development stopped? I believe it's the latter and '000s of people will lose their jobs over time.

1. I agree. He's legally fully entitled to do what he's doing. I've never once questioned this right.
2. See my point A above.

Paul_Mc1988 · 15-09-2019 6:43pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What about them?
Are you trying to imply that they might lose their jobs (which is complete nonsense)

1. He believes there is a potential issue and is using his legal right to ensure this isn't the case.
2. Whose livleihoods exactly are being jeopardised?

Mine for one. I work there. Every process a site has to compete with other sites the company has. A vacant site is being used in America for 7nm which hasn't been used for a few processes. Ireland is the other one. The logistics of fitting the 7nm site in leixlip is a nightmare as the main bulk site is being used for 14nm which is going to start winding down soon. If the 7nm site gets pulled which could happen at any time all the jobs are gone. It's quite simple

JustJoe7240 · 15-09-2019 6:52pm

puppieperson1 wrote: »

why cant intel move to the midlands where housing is cheaper an the jobs would be great or limerick they want to ****ing own kildare

There's no need, And they've already invested an awful lot of money to date without uprooting for the sake of one problematic farmer

piplip87 · 15-09-2019 6:56pm

I see this thread is the usual bashing of a MNC. How dare they come to this country and employ a few hundred of thousand people. Maybe PBP and SF will manage a few seats in the upcoming election.

The farmer was in his right when the IDA tried to CPO his land but this is pure ridiculous.

Call me Al · 25-11-2019 5:45pm

It appears that sense has prevailed. RTE Business are reporting that Intel's planning application has been granted.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-11-2019 6:08pm

If we had a fit for purpose process that disposed of blatant vexatious objections within a day sense would not be needed.

Like Apple this whole project was put at risk due to our planning process.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-11-2019 7:00pm

He has objected again but this time for a different application on the site.

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/kildare-farmer-lodges-fresh-objection-against-new-intel-application-966398.html?__twitter_impression=true

I'm all for objections that have substance but this guy is taking the piss and our process allows every crank do this.

elperello · 25-11-2019 7:14pm

Unsubstantiated or vexatious objections are routinely dealt with by planners without undue delay.
The timescale to allow for objections to be considered is built in by applicants.

end of the road · 25-11-2019 9:24pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If we had a fit for purpose process that disposed of blatant vexatious objections within a day sense would not be needed.

Like Apple this whole project was put at risk due to our planning process.

the process is fine.
it has done exactly what it is designed to do and perfectly.
any objections and claims are rightly investigated and a decision made within good time, a rushed decision could turn out to be a bad decision, so better to take time and do it right.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

He has objected again but this time for a different application on the site.

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/kildare-farmer-lodges-fresh-objection-against-new-intel-application-966398.html?__twitter_impression=true

I'm all for objections that have substance but this guy is taking the piss and our process allows every crank do this.

again non-issue, if his objection isn't valid it will be found so. the process works.

greencap · 24-01-2020 6:52pm

In the papers again today.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/court-grants-farmer-permission-to-challenge-3-6bn-intel-plan-1.4150344

Still doing his darndest to prevent those jobs.

This time it's parking spaces and vibrations.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-01-2020 7:28pm

The state will lose this investment to Israel in my opinion.

Our system is totally screwed up.

Edgware · 24-01-2020 7:35pm

greencap wrote: »

In the papers again today.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/court-grants-farmer-permission-to-challenge-3-6bn-intel-plan-1.4150344

Still doing his darndest to prevent those jobs.

This time it's parking spaces and vibrations.

The vibrations in his head

Panjandrums · 24-01-2020 7:45pm

What's funding the high court costs?

Ginger83 · 24-01-2020 7:53pm

Good man Thomas

ChikiChiki · 24-01-2020 8:02pm

For the good of the country we need to plough on with these projects. Intel is placed in a strategic zone and it should be designated as such.

If you want to uphold progress go live out in a bog in Offaly.

The exact same can be said for metro North. Nimbyists are only a hinderence to progress and the majority pay for it.

JustAThought · 24-01-2020 9:35pm

I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala

As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.

Big Gerry · 24-01-2020 10:25pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

They tried a CPO on his farm.

Can’t really blame him.

The rule of law should apply here.

You can't just take someones land because you want to build a factory.

Ireland is not china.

godtabh · 24-01-2020 10:29pm

JustAThought wrote: »

I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala

As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.

Objectors names and addresses are made public when they object

sportsfan90 · 24-01-2020 10:33pm

JustAThought wrote: »

As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands.

Bloody hell is this true?

godtabh · 24-01-2020 10:35pm

sportsfan90 wrote: »

Bloody hell is this true?

Yes, it’s available to any one who search’s Kildare planning portal.

sportsfan90 · 24-01-2020 10:43pm

godtabh wrote: »

Objectors names and addresses are made public when they object

Yes of course they are, that's not the point.

If Intel deliberately put his details on the desks of thousands of their employees it was obviously in an attempt to intimidate him.

There's a big difference between someone having to look up planning permissions online if they were interested and deliberately giving out his details on everyone's desk.

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of his appeals, I didn't think Intel would do something like that.

elperello · 24-01-2020 11:05pm

It's only fair to point out that the name on an objection in a Council File is only there in the context of the objection.

The name is part of a document which gives the full detail of the persons objection.

On it's own the name of an objector conveys no information which would allow someone to form an opinion as to the validity of the objection.

A strange tactic for a multi-national to engage in.

ongarite · 24-01-2020 11:08pm

sportsfan90 wrote: »

Bloody hell is this true?

No,
I've worked at Intel for 15 years and this didn't happen and I've never heard anything like this happen for anyone I know working there.

ChikiChiki · 24-01-2020 11:14pm

sportsfan90 wrote: »

Bloody hell is this true?

Doubt it. They would gaining nothing but bad publicity from it.

Disgruntled ex employee id say.

Bada Bing Boy · 24-01-2020 11:23pm

It's not true, that guy has a wild imagination. I've worked there 18 years and never seen this...

Im also from the area , grew up on a farm not far from Thomas Reids, the man is an oddball...

elperello · 24-01-2020 11:29pm

JustAThought wrote: »

I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala

As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.

Just re-reading the post there is a possibility that he may not be referring to the Read objection.

I'll suspend judgement pending clarification.

Padre_Pio · 24-01-2020 11:34pm

Big Gerry wrote: »

The rule of law should apply here.

You can't just take someones land because you want to build a factory.

Ireland is not china.

The needs of the many here. There's billions of euros in jobs and investment here. Thousands will directly benefit from this factory.

How many will benefit from a field with a few cows on it?
The government CPO land regularly for infrastructure, sometimes cutting fields in half. When you're driving on a motorway you're on CPO land. Would it have been better to leave it and have to drive through every village and borren to get around?

Dayo93 · 24-01-2020 11:38pm

ongarite wrote: »

No,
I've worked at Intel for 15 years and this didn't happen and I've never heard anything like this happen for anyone I know working there.

Same > 20 years there, never heard that happen either

elperello · 24-01-2020 11:41pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The needs of the many here. There's billions of euros in jobs and investment here. Thousands will directly benefit from this factory.

How many will benefit from a field with a few cows on it?
The government CPO land regularly for infrastructure, sometimes cutting fields in half. When you're driving on a motorway you're on CPO land. Would it have been better to leave it and have to drive through every village and borren to get around?

Major difference there.
The motorway CPO's were for public infrastructure.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-01-2020 11:56pm

Dayo93 wrote: »

Same > 20 years there, never heard that happen either

That's because it's bs and didn't happen.

Seth Brundle · 25-01-2020 12:00am

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The needs of the many here. There's billions of euros in jobs and investment here. Thousands will directly benefit from this factory.

How many will benefit from a field with a few cows on it?
The government CPO land regularly for infrastructure, sometimes cutting fields in half. When you're driving on a motorway you're on CPO land. Would it have been better to leave it and have to drive through every village and borren to get around?

If Intel want it so badly then why give what appear to be legitimate grounds to appeal? Something as simple as air pollution should not have been overlooked.
Reid is following the planning laws. Intel obviously are not.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-01-2020 3:23am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If Intel want it so badly then why give what appear to be legitimate grounds to appeal? Something as simple as air pollution should not have been overlooked.
Reid is following the planning laws. Intel obviously are not.

It wasn't overlooked.

This went through the planning process.

The crank lost.

LaFuton · 25-01-2020 4:41am

f*uck intel and f*uck datacentres too, if people knew what was really goin on, these villains would never have been let off the boat.

Brian? · 25-01-2020 5:54am

LaFuton wrote: »

f*uck intel and f*uck datacentres too, if people knew what was really goin on, these villains would never have been let off the boat.

What’s really going on?

Dayo93 · 25-01-2020 7:28am

LaFuton wrote: »

f*uck intel and f*uck datacentres too, if people knew what was really goin on, these villains would never have been let off the boat.

And how did you make this post

Call me Al · 25-01-2020 11:02am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If Intel want it so badly then why give what appear to be legitimate grounds to appeal? Something as simple as air pollution should not have been overlooked.
Reid is following the planning laws. Intel obviously are not.

He's appealing, as is his right. Yet again.
Whether air pollution has been overlooked remains to be seen, but considering the amount of work done on these applications I don't think its something that hasn't been considered. Have you looked at the planning documents lodged?
Do you think ABP don't flag things like air pollution assessments as vital to a development of this scale?
Why do you say Intel "obviously are not ' following the planning laws?
Where have they been refused planning for this development because of not following planning laws? There have been objections, appeals, they've been handled through our planning system according to our laws. Where have they not followed planning? Do you think they've cut corners or something?

Zebra3 · 25-01-2020 11:33am

JustAThought wrote: »

I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala

As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.

This a complete and utter lie and it is shameful that it allowed stand here and shame on those who have liked the post.

If Intel did that they would have faced a huge revolt from their own staff and it would've been all over the news.

mynamejeff · 25-01-2020 12:28pm

JustAThought wrote: »

I fully support him - at least someone is taking the risk to the environment into consideration - unlike An Bord Pleanala

As for Intel I used work for them and remember well them printing and putting onto everyones desk letters saying who was objecting to the new fab being built and giving their name and address out to thousands. I still feel sick at the thought of such abuse of power against a small rural family man trying to protect his home and childrens safety all those years ago.

As for their shoddy tricks against Reid in their last campaign - I only hope he wins - again. It’s a classic David and Goliath story. Fair dues Mr Reid - you are many peoples hero.

this is the problem with boards and the internet in general , some agenda wielding axe grinding ill informed person posts some completely made up lies and claims them as true for cheap likes or what ever , people are naive enough to believe and repost it else where

Call me Al · 25-01-2020 12:39pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

this is the problem with boards and the internet in general , some agenda wielding axe grinding ill informed person posts some completely made up lies and claims them as true for cheap likes or what ever , people are naive enough to believe and repost it else where

Yes, so far 10 people have liked that post.
And it isn't true.

Brian? · 25-01-2020 6:01pm

Call me Al wrote: »

Yes, so far 10 people have liked that post.
And it isn't true.

I worked for Intel for nearly 18 years, left in 2018. In my time there never once did Intel send me a letter or print out any information and leave it on my desk. Mainly because most of us didn't have a desk to leave it on, we had shared work spaces. "Bull pens" in the old days, flex desks later on.

They definitely didn't print out lists of objectors to planning permission.

It's such an obvious lie, it's beyond ridiculous.

Brian? · 25-01-2020 6:05pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If Intel want it so badly then why give what appear to be legitimate grounds to appeal? Something as simple as air pollution should not have been overlooked.
Reid is following the planning laws. Intel obviously are not.

There's a man in a control room right now that can tell you exactly how much "air pollution " Intel is producing. There's an entire department monitoring air and water waste to make sure everything is compliant. There is zero chance it was overlooked.

It's pretty close to zero, by the way. **** tons of steam come from the fabs, but that's about it. The cars on the road in front of the site produce more air pollution than the fab will in a year.

Big Gerry · 25-01-2020 6:13pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

This a complete and utter lie and it is shameful that it allowed stand here and shame on those who have liked the post.

If Intel did that they would have faced a huge revolt from their own staff and it would've been all over the news.

The Irish fake news media are great at covering up stories that the establishment don't like.

Big Gerry · 25-01-2020 6:20pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The needs of the many here. There's billions of euros in jobs and investment here. Thousands will directly benefit from this factory.

How many will benefit from a field with a few cows on it?
The government CPO land regularly for infrastructure, sometimes cutting fields in half. When you're driving on a motorway you're on CPO land. Would it have been better to leave it and have to drive through every village and borren to get around?

I don't think the govnerment should have the right to steal anyones land.

Intel don't even pay that much tax plus most of those "jobs" would only be going to Non-Nationals.

JustAThought · 25-01-2020 6:39pm

thenplacing of Intel headed paper stating the name and adress of the family who objected to the then new favs being built into thousands of desks happened and was done in my time when I worked there. It was absolutely disgusting particularly ad not only did they give his name and address but went to the detail of describing exactly where his family home was - so any yob (pre googlemps) could be in no doubt). As for the tone of some of the comments in this thread - yes the letter to all fab employees - this was done in exactly the same way - it will affect plant jobs and performance and ability to deliver and compete for more contracts glibally. Utterly disgusting and targeting an individual exercising his right. This was in the time before online objections - but not to worry Intel told everyone in the fab his name and where he lived just in case. I heard they also tried to buy his home off him but her refused - in the family generations - beginning to sound like Reid and their hectoring and bullying against him? Some things money can’t easily but - good values, gamily pride and history and community pride. And once the air and environment are deatroyed its gone forever. No amount of fluttering of fifties will fix that - you only have to look at what has happened across America to see that some industrial environmental ‘incidents’ cannot be ever fixed. Fair dues to you Mr Reid. Thank you.

Big Gerry · 25-01-2020 6:46pm

JustAThought wrote: »

thenplacing of Intel headed paper stating the name and adress of the family who objected to the then new favs being built into thousands of desks happened and was done in my time when I worked there. It was absolutely disgusting particularly ad not only did they give his name and address but went to the detail of describing exactly where his family home was - so any yob (pre googlemps) could be in no doubt). As for the tone of some of the comments in this thread - yes the letter to all fab employees - this was done in exactly the same way - it will affect plant jobs and performance and ability to deliver and compete for more contracts glibally. Utterly disgusting and targeting an individual exercising his right. This was in the time before online objections - but not to worry Intel told everyone in the fab his name and where he lived just in case. I heard they also tried to buy his home off him but her refused - in the family generations - beginning to sound like Reid and their hectoring and bullying against him? Some things money can’t easily but - good values, gamily pride and history and community pride. And once the air and environment are deatroyed its gone forever. No amount of fluttering of fifties will fix that - you only have to look at what has happened across America to see that some industrial environmental ‘incidents’ cannot be ever fixed. Fair dues to you Mr Reid. Thank you.

Any company that engages in that sort of behaviour should be run out of Ireland they are no better than gangsters.

Brian? · 25-01-2020 7:04pm

JustAThought wrote: »

thenplacing of Intel headed paper stating the name and adress of the family who objected to the then new favs being built into thousands of desks happened and was done in my time when I worked there. It was absolutely disgusting particularly ad not only did they give his name and address but went to the detail of describing exactly where his family home was - so any yob (pre googlemps) could be in no doubt). As for the tone of some of the comments in this thread - yes the letter to all fab employees - this was done in exactly the same way - it will affect plant jobs and performance and ability to deliver and compete for more contracts glibally. Utterly disgusting and targeting an individual exercising his right. This was in the time before online objections - but not to worry Intel told everyone in the fab his name and where he lived just in case. I heard they also tried to buy his home off him but her refused - in the family generations - beginning to sound like Reid and their hectoring and bullying against him? Some things money can’t easily but - good values, gamily pride and history and community pride. And once the air and environment are deatroyed its gone forever. No amount of fluttering of fifties will fix that - you only have to look at what has happened across America to see that some industrial environmental ‘incidents’ cannot be ever fixed. Fair dues to you Mr Reid. Thank you.

More lies. Give over.

Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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