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Hannibal_Smith wrote: »Random running questions:
Who ran 10km for the first time in about 3 years today???? Who??? Who???
Me!!!! 10km!!!! Double digits baby! :pac:
Was there Womble Hill, Mortons Mountain and Old Bawn Death Climb in the same run???
Yes there bloody was!!!!!!
That is all
*cough * 14 and a half km today .
I'll stop doing this now or maybe once more when I get to double digit miles 0 -
I was going to ask this in the 'Women's issues' thread, but then I thought, well RED-S affects men and women.
There's been so much in the media in the last year or two about runners - men and women - underfuelling and the negative results of that (whether mainly physical, like Bobby Clay, or physical and psychological, like Mary Cain). I think it's great that there's heightened awareness of this and that coaches / elite athletes etc are becoming more aware that you don't have to be a specific body type or have specific one-size-fits-all weight goals to be a good runner.
However, I know weight is important to runners and Sonia O'Sullivan etc would not have run as fast if she was carrying a lot of excess body weight (I think she even referenced that in her own column after the Mary Cain story broke). Hopefully more awareness of long term health etc will be useful to coaches and elite runners as they try to balance nutrition and leanness when they have big races coming up.
But I was wondering, how common do people think that under-fuelling / RED-s etc is in recreational runners? (I don't want people naming names or referencing local runners they think look a bit thin
) I'm more wondering if people have found themselves becoming more conscious of their weight, whether that's because it might help performance or because they feel they have to look a certain way to be a runner?
(This isn't a cry for help, I just read a good article on Fast Running
https://www.fastrunning.com/opinion/comment/why-does-society-push-for-me-to-under-fuel/28524
and I was talking about it with people. It made me think that running COULD make people have different standards of weight to the 'non-running' population (I think this is true for me - if I was comparing myself (& I know I shouldn't be!!) to other women, I'd be comparing myself to the women in my club, not a more sedentary person), and maybe it could also mask disordered eating / under eating because people often accept that runners are light / might be careful about what they eat whereas weight loss / excessive attention to food etc might raise red flags to family and friends if the person wasn't a runner.
I just wondered what people thought - is the pressure around body image (whether from ourselves or from external sources) something that recreational runners in Ireland suffer from, or is it just an issue for the elites?0 -
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I was going to ask this in the 'Women's issues' thread, but then I thought, well RED-S affects men and women.
There's been so much in the media in the last year or two about runners - men and women - underfuelling and the negative results of that (whether mainly physical, like Bobby Clay, or physical and psychological, like Mary Cain). I think it's great that there's heightened awareness of this and that coaches / elite athletes etc are becoming more aware that you don't have to be a specific body type or have specific one-size-fits-all weight goals to be a good runner.
However, I know weight is important to runners and Sonia O'Sullivan etc would not have run as fast if she was carrying a lot of excess body weight (I think she even referenced that in her own column after the Mary Cain story broke). Hopefully more awareness of long term health etc will be useful to coaches and elite runners as they try to balance nutrition and leanness when they have big races coming up.
But I was wondering, how common do people think that under-fuelling / RED-s etc is in recreational runners? (I don't want people naming names or referencing local runners they think look a bit thin) I'm more wondering if people have found themselves becoming more conscious of their weight, whether that's because it might help performance or because they feel they have to look a certain way to be a runner?
(This isn't a cry for help, I just read a good article on Fast Running
https://www.fastrunning.com/opinion/comment/why-does-society-push-for-me-to-under-fuel/28524
and I was talking about it with people. It made me think that running COULD make people have different standards of weight to the 'non-running' population (I think this is true for me - if I was comparing myself (& I know I shouldn't be!!) to other women, I'd be comparing myself to the women in my club, not a more sedentary person), and maybe it could also mask disordered eating / under eating because people often accept that runners are light / might be careful about what they eat whereas weight loss / excessive attention to food etc might raise red flags to family and friends if the person wasn't a runner.
I just wondered what people thought - is the pressure around body image (whether from ourselves or from external sources) something that recreational runners in Ireland suffer from, or is it just an issue for the elites?
I know from my own (purely personal and anectdotal) experience that, like the runner writing the article, I sometimes bonk on long runs and during/after tough sessions. I had two very recent examples of this, and they have shaken my confidence in the lead up to my next race in a couple of weeks. The problem was almost certainly fuel related - i.e. bad preparation for the session, not eating enough before (including the days before) the session.
For me, this has nothing to do with body image - I am skinny and would actually like to gain some weight. My BMI is in the normal range, but at the low end of that range, and I'd like to have more 'wiggle room'. I often get slagged for complaining about this, but I find it as difficult to put on weight as most others find it difficult to lose. I know this is partly to do with food choices (quality and volume), but also metabolism, and my own exercise load, including cycling, walking, and everything else (e.g. there are a lot of stairs in my house!)
On the other hand, to slightly contradict the above, I suppose my desire to gain some weight could theoretically be put down to body image - I don't think I 'look' as healthy as I would like, and sometimes I've been mildly shocked looking back at photos depicting me at 'marathon weight', some of which border on cacecthic. I have what I would consider a good appetite but genuinely struggle to eat enough of the right kind of foods, during marathon training especially. But I really think it's more to do with just wanting to feel stronger and to have more muscle mass. Do I do strength and conditioning to help with this? Sometimes, but certainly not enough. So I know there are things I have to do, and do better, to 'look' the way I would like. I like to look reasonably fit and healthy and strong, and for me that would involve being about 7-10 lbs heavier, a weight I have only briefly achieved, in the immediate aftermath of quitting the smokes nine years ago.
I think it is beyond doubt that there are cultural and societal pressures on people (mostly women, but also - and increasingly - men, especially younger men) to look 'good', whatever that means at any particular point in time. Apart from all the bullish*t about 'beauty', dress, and grooming, in the current era, marked by unprecedented obesity, it is probably more prized than ever to look athletic and 'fit'. I don't see why this wouldn't affect recreational runners as well as elites, although there is less at stake, perhaps.
Do I know many recreational runners with obvious eating disorders (of the 'deficiency' variety)? No. But I do know plenty of people, myself included, whose training and racing ambitions, however grand or modest, are not matched by their dietary ambitions. Some of this is down to lack of knowledge, some to lack of commitment or 'willpower' (I don't like to use the word lazy, especially in relation to people who are obviously physically and mentally active.) I think there's no doubt that social conditioning around what 'good' looks like make it far easier to get away with undereating than overeating.0 -
I know from my own (purely personal and anectdotal) experience that, like the runner writing the article, I sometimes bonk on long runs and during/after tough sessions. I had two very recent examples of this, and they have shaken my confidence in the lead up to my next race in a couple of weeks. The problem was almost certainly fuel related - i.e. bad preparation for the session, not eating enough before (including the days before) the session.
For me, this has nothing to do with body image - I am skinny and would actually like to gain some weight. My BMI is in the normal range, but at the low end of that range, and I'd like to have more 'wiggle room'. I often get slagged for complaining about this, but I find it as difficult to put on weight as most others find it difficult to lose. I know this is partly to do with food choices (quality and volume), but also metabolism, and my own exercise load, including cycling, walking, and everything else (e.g. there are a lot of stairs in my house!)
On the other hand, to slightly contradict the above, I suppose my desire to gain some weight could theoretically be put down to body image - I don't think I 'look' as healthy as I would like, and sometimes I've been mildly shocked looking back at photos depicting me at 'marathon weight', some of which border on cacecthic. I have what I would consider a good appetite but genuinely struggle to eat enough of the right kind of foods, during marathon training especially. But I really think it's more to do with just wanting to feel stronger and to have more muscle mass. Do I do strength and conditioning to help with this? Sometimes, but certainly not enough. So I know there are things I have to do, and do better, to 'look' the way I would like. I like to look reasonably fit and healthy and strong, and for me that would involve being about 7-10 lbs heavier, a weight I have only briefly achieved, in the immediate aftermath of quitting the smokes nine years ago.
I think it is beyond doubt that there are cultural and societal pressures on people (mostly women, but also - and increasingly - men, especially younger men) to look 'good', whatever that means at any particular point in time. Apart from all the bullish*t about 'beauty', dress, and grooming, in the current era, marked by unprecedented obesity, it is probably more prized than ever to look athletic and 'fit'. I don't see why this wouldn't affect recreational runners as well as elites, although there is less at stake, perhaps.
Do I know many recreational runners with obvious eating disorders (of the 'deficiency' variety)? No. But I do know plenty of people, myself included, whose training and racing ambitions, however grand or modest, are not matched by their dietary ambitions. Some of this is down to lack of knowledge, some to lack of commitment or 'willpower' (I don't like to use the word lazy, especially in relation to people who are obviously physically and mentally active.) I think there's no doubt that social conditioning around what 'good' looks like make it far easier to get away with undereating than overeating.
Funny, I had you down as a chubby fooker. Must be mixing ya up with someone else 0 -
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Currently coaching an operation transformation 0to5k group. A lot of different abilities within this group as its a mixture of fitness, yoga, mindfulness classes etc..
My point is when this ends as in previous years people are left in limbo, as everyone just goes back to doing there own thing.
I'm thinking of taking these people 'under my wing' to encourage them to stick at it. (had a good few requests for this). Anyway drawing up a form to help me and them set out a few plans and expectations.
NAME:
PHONE NUMBER :
AGE CATEGORY :
ABILITY :(can run comfortably) 3k 5k 10k 10k+
PB:
GOALS :eg complete 5k/10k, lower PB, increase distance
Is there anything else I should put in. Maybe a wee disclaimer. All members of a running club but I know I'll have more looking to join that won't want to join the running club. The local GAA organise a 5 and 10k in the summer, so will be looking for coaching. TIA
Half the battle is motivation but holding yourself accountable to a coach and/or peers i find really helps!
Very best of luck with this 0 -
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Wondering how hard people would think progressing from 6k runs to a 10k would be in four weeks would be?
I'm signed up for a 10k on the 8th of March and between work and the weather I haven't been able to get out training as much as I'd like. I'm doing 6k runs in about 38 minutes currently. I'm not that bithered about doing the 10k in a really good time, I just want to finish it but in a reasonable time i.e I'd like to finish before they reopen the roads to traffic
I'm experiencing a few aches and pains so far, shin splints, sore knees and hips. How much of a strain would it be to get up to a respectable 10k in four weeks?0 -
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How does one breathe while running? What's the best way to maximise use of lung capacity? Does one ever push the abdomen out to try to get more air in? I'm aware that holding the head up and shoulders down is generally a good idea. And mouth or nose? I know that when not running breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth is generally considered the healthiest way to breathe. But is it practical while running?
Thoughts appreciated
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Way to much for me to try cover on a post, and most on here wouldn't agree with me anyway
Get yourself a copy of "The Oxygen Advantage" by Patrick McKeown
Whether you choose to implement some or all of what he suggests is up to you. But it will definitely give you food for thought.0 -
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Breathe out for 11 to 13 seconds? Jeez, I think I got to 5 just now trying that.
But then again those mindlessness people are a bit different I find.
I think I could just about manage 10 seconds sitting in a chair and relaxed before the vision starts to blur and I feel stoned. To breath out for 13 seconds while running...eh no! Then again a gain of 80m in 400m is a 20% gain...who needs Alphaflys?
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First Marathon this year, hopefully i can stay injury-free and make it to the starting line. I am following a plan. Can someone advise if both speed and hill training are advisable? The plan I have has speed interval training but I keep hearing hill training been mentioned too 0
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Not trying to be a smart arse. But if you're following a plan stick to what ever is on the plan.First Marathon this year, hopefully i can stay injury-free and make it to the starting line. I am following a plan. Can someone advise if both speed and hill training are advisable? The plan I have has speed interval training but I keep hearing hill training been mentioned too
If you are 2nd guessing it then look for a plan that you're completely happy with.
Hill's can be included into any plan, but you need to know why you are doing them. Are they hill sprints, hill strides, what distance are the reps, what recovery.
All of these will provide a different stimulus depending on what you are trying to achieve..0 -
IvoryTower wrote: »I would put it in the carrying a bottle of water while you run category of just not understanding that you'll survive without it
Jayney. I carry water. I don't even notice I'm carrying it within a short distance. If I don't carry water, I can't sip as I go. If I don't sip as I go, I'm far more inclined to gulp water when I do get it. If I gulp water, that's the end of any comfort whilst running, as my temperamental upper stomach goes into spasm.
Particularly on longer runs and summer runs, I was always led to believe that if you're feeling thirsty, you've left it too late to hydrate. Carrying a bottle also means I can take gels during races when I want to, not when water stations dictate. In 2 of my most recent races, there were big distances between some water stations... people complaining about the drought all around me, whilst I was okay.
I know I'll survive without it, but jeez, I'd feel ill and sore by the time I get home if I didn't have it.
So it'd be unwise for me not to carry it. I didn't realise this puts me into a "category"! 0 -
First Marathon this year, hopefully i can stay injury-free and make it to the starting line. I am following a plan. Can someone advise if both speed and hill training are advisable? The plan I have has speed interval training but I keep hearing hill training been mentioned too
if you are doing the Dublin marathon you definitely need to do some hill training, even just adding some hills to your long runs once a week will definitely stand to you.
best of luck btw0 -
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