Gardai cricitise paedophile hunters

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's where "life means life" should come into play. Repeat offenders who've shown that they have absolutely no hope whatsoever of changing their ways (I'm not just applying this to sex crimes, gangsters like Freddie Thompson for example should get the same treatment) should be permanently segregated from decent society.

I'm sure both you and I can think of at least a few cases where it should. However there's also cases where it shouldn't.

I wouldn't have any trouble with people who have been jailed multiple times being the object of an order that means they stay in a secure facility of some type, as long as they are deemed a potential danger. And should they be released than it's with a lot of monitoring etc, and only after professionals say so.

Feisar wrote: »

Isn't it a sexual preference though?

Is it?

To be honest, it's a question far fewer people want to confront than what to do with pedophiles because of the consequences of asking it.

By defintion it;s a fetish. It's an attraction to an object (or in this case an objectified person) and people can be weaned off fetishes. Whereas an orientation is more gender orientated and you're pretty much stuck with it. You can develop attractions to people not in your preference, but the initial one never goes away.

Case in point, you can get pedophiles who are attracted to children AND adults; and in come cases, straight men attracted to boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck3uOCyWB50

They have a more mature attitude in neighboring countries, see video above

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Ha! Probably just some troll they’ve had a run in with in the past!

The thing that has been proven from yesterday’s fiasco is that no matter how much ‘Security’ the team has,(I think they’re just regular joes with no security training) they can’t actually guarantee the safety of the accused.

You always hear ‘These men are here to protect you’ when Security are encircling the accused. According to ‘Louise’ in response to a news report that claimed a mob of up to 20 people attacked your man, there was five security and four attackers. Even though security outnumbered the attackers they still battered him.

Then when the sirens started you can hear them scarpering. CPA can’t protect the accused because the public aren’t afraid of them.

Shouldn’t the CPA have performed a citizens arrest on the attackers too seeing as they care about the law so much? Instead of riling up the crowd and ending up helplessly screaming when they attack?

Additionally, im going to call this one, next time CPA do a sting in Ballymun, Coolock, Finglas or any other simian place, the local ‘Ladz’ will be our searching to give the target an even bigger hiding, knowing it will be all over the net.

The problem with yesterday is that 'Louise' and her mates clearly rapidly lost control of the situation. There could easily have been a much worse outcome ie. some like minded vigilante shows up at the scene and decides to stab the suspect to death. This is the very thing the Gardai are warning about.....one of these incidents could easily result in someone being seriously injured or killed.

cgcsb wrote: »

You can't really apply this to ALL peadophiles though. The majority of them are also attracted to adults, and could be rehabilitated and have a normal enough life. We don't have the resources to keep large numbers in prison for ever.

I'm not applying it to all paedophiles as in all individuals with a sexual attraction to children, I'm specifically applying it to all individuals who repeatedly engage in sexual activity with children despite numerous convictions. Big difference. Some people out there have proven that their mindset is to return to their violent behaviour immediately upon release from prison, because for one reason or another they are unable or unwilling to give a f*ck. Those are the people who should be jailed for genuine lift sentences, or sentences which last long enough for them to be too old and frail to threaten anyone's safety again.

I don't know if you read the profiles or biographies published about Freddie Thompson and his life after he was jailed for the murder of David Douglas, but do you honestly believe there's any possibility that he leaves prison for the bajillionth time and lives a life free of violence from that moment on?

pah wrote: »

Haven't read the whole thread as 40 pgs long. It's probably been said already but I think govt should look at taking on these "hunters" provide then with specialist training and have them attached to a dedicated Garda unit providing an intelligence function.

Horrible idea!

weldoninhio wrote: »

You seem very against nonces getting caught. Vested interest???

A very disingenuous statement. Just because the poster doesn't want egits to be given some sort of legitimacy does not imply anything of the sort that you have suggested.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Numerous reasons for that have been expressed throughout the thread.

You replied to several of them You (presumeably) read several of them. You also appear to have chosen to ignore all of them, but you should at least, at this stage, KNOW what they were.

And I put it to you that, rather than deal with them, you chose to make a veiled threat of pedophilia. An accusation you have neither denied nor explained.

User was threadbanned so won't get an answer.

I do agree though, ridiculous to make a veiled accusation of someone having a "vested interest" in nonces not being caught.

Plenty of suggestions have been made in the thread, some good, some bad, it's clear that it is an issue that needs to be addressed and with the right representation & people behind it, changes will be made, whether we adapt the UK laws where it isn't a "victimless" crime or progressive steps are made to utilize the characters in these "hunter groups" that aren't gob****es. They're obviously good at drawing these creeps out, however they fail themselves by allowing trial by social media.

robarmstrong wrote: »

however they fail themselves by allowing trial by social media.

When people lose faith in the justice system to punish criminals, is that not at least partly a signal that the justice system needs to be reformed? The trend of bypassing the courts has come about specifically and directly because of a general sentiment among both criminals and those who despise them, that once their case goes to court they'll get off with a slap on the wrist, nine times out of ten.

We're a democratic society. How many people can honestly say that they're happy with how the judiciary in this country operates? Suspended sentences for violent criminals on one hand, massive payouts for people who injure themselves through their own fault just because it happens to be on someone else's property, massive delays in hearing cases, etc.

Last week we had judges claiming that government intervention to deal with compensation payouts (which came after several newspaper reports outlining that spiralling insurance costs as a result of compensation culture are a key factor in why entertainment venues and nightlife have become so astronomically expensive for customers) was a threat to the independence of the judiciary. Surely adjustments to the legislative basis for court judgments are exactly what the other two branches of government exist to do?

Everyone criticises mandatory minimum sentences because of their historical use in victimless crimes, but would anyone genuinely oppose a mandatory sentence of double digits for convicted child rapists, organised gangsters, or serial violent thugs?

Someone I vaguely know (friend of a friend situation here) was targetted by so-called paedophile hunters. It was mistaken identity and the group responsible issued grovelling apologies, making it clear it was a mistake. But they had already published a video of the "sting" on their YouTube channel. Sure, it was taken down. But it had already been viewed however many times, leaving this poor guy suicidal. This happened in England (Leeds), but could all too easily happen anywhere.

I get why people laud such groups. But it's dangerous. Not just dangerous, it could screw up the legal proceedings that follow.

Lady Spangles wrote: »

Someone I vaguely know (friend of a friend situation here) was targetted by so-called paedophile hunters. It was mistaken identity and the group responsible issued grovelling apologies, making it clear it was a mistake. But they had already published a video of the "sting" on their YouTube channel. Sure, it was taken down. But it had already been viewed however many times, leaving this poor guy suicidal. This happened in England (Leeds), but could all too easily happen anywhere.

I get why people laud such groups. But it's dangerous. Not just dangerous, it could screw up the legal proceedings that follow.

In England there was a spate of people claiming that some neighbor they didn't like was in fact either Jon Venables or Robert Thompson. Knowing full well they were not but sure accusations are enough these days and there's another person the government has to move for their own safety.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Is this the page or is it the UK one?

https://m.facebook.com/ChildProtectionIreland/

Ah yes - it appears that it was only the video that was taken down.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nonsense. There are plenty of scumbags dealing drugs, running areas with intimidation that aren't known to the larger public but these people don't see it as their duty to "target" them. Cause they're afraid of their shite too. Setting themselves up as judge, jury and executioner. Public shaming before due process is abhorrent. People have topped themselves over the actions of groups likes these.

All these groups are interested in is attention for themselves. Fcuk all else. If they just were after justice then they would do this stuff discreetly. Then just forward the information on to the authorities. If anything all this posting on social media does is increase the probability that the cases could be jeopardized and so why engage in activity that would do that if justice is the objective?

It’s far from nonsense. The people who these types of groups are trying to identify are not on street corners in public. How do you know that they haven’t reported the type of crimes like open drug dealing.

Why do you propagate a video like this?

Who says he died?

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Can’t see anyone making it out of that alive. Head first into a large transit van doing 60. It clearly rolls over him as well.

I've seen it, you can hear him shouting afterwords. The van stopped nearly in time too.

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I've seen it, you can hear him shouting afterwords. The van stopped nearly in time too.

You definitely can’t hear him scream from the video I’ve seen anyway.
This isn’t the point I think he was trying to end his life.
Going a bit off topic here.

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

S... The video made me think is it time for these groups to be stopped?...

Vigilantism is outlawed in the absolute majority of states. This is just a question of the police not doing their job properly. The police should hunt down pedophiles and vigilantes too.

dave1982 wrote: »

This happened in England?

Yes by the looks of it.