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Passing loop at Oranmore train station

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  • #2
    biko
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    Moved out from thread about the station car park

    "passing loop" mentioned three times in article but never explained

    Pretty clear after I googled it
    Penryn-trains-passing-2-cropped.jpg


  • #3
    what_traffic
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    biko wrote: »
    Moved out from thread about the station car park

    "passing loop" mentioned three times in article but never explained

    Visual always helps.

    Athenry Station has one.
    Google Streetview of it here
    https://goo.gl/maps/SP39vbeKpc62

    Passing loop is a short term measure for Oranmore - long term goal I presume will be to have a Double Track from Galway Ceannt to Athenry. Will cost a few bob.


  • #4
    flazio
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    I imagine the longer plan still would be double all the way to Athlone.
    Just don't open the can of worms which is what to do between Athenry and Claremorris.


  • #5
    what_traffic
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    flazio wrote: »
    I imagine the longer plan still would be double all the way to Athlone.
    Just don't open the can of worms which is what to do between Athenry and Claremorris.
    Will be waiting decades for that.


  • #6
    JCX BXC
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    Good news, tired of sitting on an idle train just back the Lough atalia bridge waiting for the yet again delayed Heuston train. Should help scheduling and frequencies too!


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  • #7
    what_traffic
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    From a post in WRC MEGA Thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110368733&postcount=906

    Thanks westtip

    "
    Year No. of Passengers using Oranmore Galway commuter route part of the mainline from Dublin to Galway
    2013 5,522
    2014 11,624
    2015 13,852
    2016 19,887
    2017 34,138
    2018 54,417
    "


  • #8
    Geuze
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    Over five years later, and the planning application for a simple 1km of double track still hasn't been submitted.



  • #9
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122422978#Comment_122422978

    Shocking alright, they should start application for DOUBLE TRACKING to Athenry right now as well.



  • #10
    Geuze
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    2040 is timeline for that.



  • #11
    Unrealistic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423874#Comment_122423874

    Is that a real programme date or just sarcasm? (Genuine question)



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  • #12
    Geuze
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    That is not sarcasm, I'm sorry to tell you.

    image.png



  • #13
    Geuze
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    5.5 years after this thread started, here is an update on the planned 1km passing loop:

    I now read that a reason for the delay in making the planning application is land acquisition.

    Hildegarde Naughton metions Sep 2024 for the submission of the planning application.

    Even though in Dec 2020 Senator Sean Kyne stated that IE controlled the land:

    https://seankyne.wordpress.com/2020/12/23/dual-tracking-and-oranmore-passing-loop/



  • #14
    GerardKeating
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/109467087#Comment_109467087

    Just to be clear, not all "passing loops" involve a second platform, for example Clara does not have a second platform on it's passing loop.

    image.png



  • #15
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122520127#Comment_122520127

    Will Oranmore have a second platform do you know?



  • #16
    GerardKeating
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122549951#Comment_122549951

    One would hope so, but nothing confirm until planning is applied for.



  • #17
    Geuze
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122549951#Comment_122549951

    Yes.

    The high 12m cost is for the 1km passing loop, second platform, foot bridge over the tracks and the associated lift.

    Plus also I think some changes to the car park.



  • #18
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122554594#Comment_122554594

    Any bus shelters to be installed do you know. I read recently that NEW Busconnects service from Oranmore into Galway City will service the station ?

    Hopefully pedestrian and cycling access from Oranmore itself can be improved on as well by County Council to and from the station.



  • #19
    Geuze
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    Yes, I saw an article in the GA about bus stops at the railway station.

    The plan is 4 busses ph, with two along the current route, and two to go along the coast road.

    image.png



  • #20
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122556095#Comment_122556095

    The bus stop and shelters are to be on the Coast Road itself based on a tweet over the weekend from the local TD and Minister Hildegard Naughton; instead of in the Station itself. This is a very poor planning, Any similar type of rural train station like this I have used over on the Mainland (Europe) the Bus Stop is near as possible to the train platform. It s a 3/4 min walk from Coast Road to the platform.



  • #21
    Geuze
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    I wonder is there enough space for a coach/bus in the car park?



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  • #22
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122573164#Comment_122573164

    For the Double Desker City Buses - no problem there - but they would need to bollard the entire CYCLE Lane to STOP illegal car parking that might hinder progress of the bus. No idea re Bus Coaches though

    When the Station was opened in 2013 - it had a marked BUS layby. It is still visible in this STREETVIEW image from 2021

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/RmUgvScD2KRmKoJo7



  • #23
    what_traffic
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    It looks to me that the Bus STOPs are been placed on the Coast Road to facilitate illegal car parking in the Bus Bay and Cycle Lanes in the Oranmore Train Station car park.



  • #24
    what_traffic
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    Another advantage of building the Bus Stop at the station = ONLY need ONE shelter rather than two on the Coast Road.

    It should also be a FRONT facing shelter as the BUS Layby is facing South.



  • #25
    WallyGUFC
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    If they want to stop people parking on the cycle lanes, they're going to have to put in more parking spots. The demand is clearly there on weekdays.



  • #26
    sgthighway
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    Ideally when they apply for planning permission all these points should be raised via a submission:

    • lack of car parking.
    • no dedicated cycle lane enforcement.
    • is there a bus stop next to it with room for a bus to get in and out.

    The last thing we need though is for them to start charging for the car park.



  • #27
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122520127#Comment_122520127

    They aren't much use without, though - unless the station isn't a regular stop.

    Enfield's loop is basically useless as a result.



  • #28
    GerardKeating
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122578302#Comment_122578302

    Exactly, Clara is partically "annoying" since some trains pass at Clara, and since there is only one platform, only one gets to use the station and the other just sits on the passing loop.



  • #29
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122577270#Comment_122577270

    True but it would be far better to get Oranmore and Doughiska residents to arrive via other modes first. I.E Get the BUS (or bike) to get the train.Placing bus stops on Coast Road aint going to work.

    That is more efficient on ALL fronts and far better long term strategy.

    TBH cycle lanes on the Station road are poor and were not given any real thought from an end user perspective.



  • #30
    Mrs OBumble
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122582202#Comment_122582202

    If an Oranmore, Roscam or Doughiska resident gets on bus, and is going to Galway city - they are going to stay on that bus. Messing around with changes for such a short journey is nuts.



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  • #31
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122582637#Comment_122582637

    100% of people currently and into the future will use Oranmore Train Station for ONLY this purpose of going into Ceannt Station from Oranmore Train Station. That is nuts alright.



  • #32
    Mrs OBumble
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122582892#Comment_122582892

    Currently?

    AFAIK a good few use Oranmore Station for the purpose of getting a train to Dublin. 'Tis a far better use of it IMHO.

    Multi mode journeys are tolerable if you only have to wait and load on one one leg, eg at the station, having walked, cycled or driven there. But when you add wait+load times, the are quickly not lifestyle-sustainable.



  • #33
    what_traffic
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122583076#Comment_122583076

    Currently = Sarcasm.

    The idea that ONLY people use Oranmore train station to get into Ceannt Station is false/untrue.

    The problem with the proposal currently on the table is that people will have to add a 2/3 min walk from the Coast Road to this wait time that you point out re multimode journeys; and if they are going to Dublin they may have luggage with them to transport.

    Multi mode journeys on the bus & train can work if the services runs to the timetable (why we need those bus gates in the City to become operational ASAP)

    Once NTA get clever they may start to look at the bus's been in sync with the train timetable; however more likely in the future the bus services to and from Oranmore will increase in frequency so one can make the required multimode journey with the train hence the importance of getting the bus stop placement right; as the original planners had factored in when Station was built back in 2012 with the bus layby near the platform.



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