Martin Scorsese takes aim at Marvel

21-10-2019 3:59pm

If Im going to pay 10 euro for a ticket, 10 for popcorn and a drink and then sit through 20 minutes of adverts i will see at home anyway then yeah maybe I do expect something a bit special. Meanwhile I'll wait for Scorsese's latest to go to DVD and watch it at home with a glass of red.

Cinema first became popular when people didnt have televisions at home. The 80s action blockbusters were popular when people had crappy 12 inch TVs at home. Now I reckon most people have at least 32 inches at home. It's almost surprising cinema is still even a thing.

Marvel and Star Wars are both owned by Disney. Was he really expecting Disney to fund his next movie?

Finally, the success of Deadpool shows there are audiences out there for adult themed movies. Maybe he's just bitter that no-one liked the sound of his latest pitch.

FunLover18 · 21-10-2019 4:52pm

Cinema is not one thing, it is not objectively defined. It is both art and entertainment. Some people prefer their movie to be more leaning towards one than the other, some people prefer a balance. Anyone who thinks that one form or genre of film doesn't take as much work as another either knows nothing or is just being deliberately ignorant in order to support their belief that one is more superior.

I don't think anyone would try to argue that cinema and the film industry isn't changing but it has changed before,l and stagnation would just as likely lead to a decline of quality (perceived or otherwise).

There were 4 superhero films this year but apparently that's oversaturation.

s7ryf3925pivug · 21-10-2019 4:58pm

Best marvel films are all xmen films, Logan and the ones written by Jane Goodman at the top of the list. Best marvel TV show is Legion, which is xmen-related. The avengers films are all overrated and mediocre at best.

MaceFace · 21-10-2019 5:24pm

Harlan Agreeable Valentine wrote: »

Best marvel films are all xmen films, Logan and the ones written by Jane Goodman at the top of the list. Best marvel TV show is Legion, which is xmen-related. The avengers films are all overrated and mediocre at best.

In your opinion.
I’d have Iron Man 1 and Thor Ragnarok right up there. IMO unbelievably good movies.
I have no problem with others thinking different but I do have major problems with people belittling me for what I enjoy watching. (Not addressed at you Harlan Agreeable Valentine) If I want to watch Wayne’s World 100 times (which I have done, and I enjoy it, that’s up to me.
Scorsese, nor anyone else should be dictating what is and is not good film.

pixelburp · 21-10-2019 5:38pm

This conversation keeps popping up and keep generating the same kind of response, it's ... weird. Like, I do wonder if there's some kind of perverse seeking of validation here, that if the grand names of cinema (be it Scorsese, Scott, Spielberg etc.) don't praise or accept the MCU - and let's be honest, it's just the MCU that we're only ever talking about here - that the franchise hasn't "made it". I dunno.

Then again. I love the superhero genre (despite over-saturation beginning to crack my resolve a little), and when you remember the barren 90s it's easy to forget the garbage that came before, but I'd never mistake the output for high art, nor necessarily seek it to be. So printing the thoughts of someone even more removed from that genre feels like clickbait and trolling. You might as well ask a Michelin star chef what they thought of (say) Bunsen burger: neither restaurants swim in the same pools so to expect a fair comparison is disingenuous, and only invites bickering and bad blood.

Martin Scorsese doesn't give a damn about superhero movies, and why would he? Why should he be expected to? At 76 the man has nothing left to prove, but at 76 does not represent the zeitgeist either. Seeking his opinion feels like spoiling for a fight.

But as Johnny U. points out, this is hardly some plucky underdog we're talking about here; Disney have cultivated a cultural and financial behemoth, the likes of which Hollywood has never seen before. Billions upon billions of dollars, cinema chains handcuffed by decreasing percentage shares, and the Fox merger a furthering of their suffocation of choice in the cinema. We do not need to go to bat for the MCU. It'll do ok on its own.

Dravokivich · 21-10-2019 5:51pm

MCU is only a part of it. They are looking to discredit films produced by sky and Netflix too.

santana75 · 21-10-2019 6:26pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

Coppola has gone one step further than Scorcese, describing the Marvel films as despicable and accusing the films of having nothing to say.

I think Coppola is right on this one. The Marvel films have absolutely nothing to say. They're empty films, nothing of any real substance is going on there at all. The Godfather was made in 1972, but its still being discovered by new generations and its still being talked about. 40 odd years time I dont think anyone will even remember any of these Marvel films let alone be still discussing them.

ErnestBorgnine · 21-10-2019 6:30pm

MaceFace wrote: »

In your opinion.
I’d have Iron Man 1 and Thor Ragnarok right up there. IMO unbelievably good movies.
I have no problem with others thinking different but I do have major problems with people belittling me for what I enjoy watching. (Not addressed at you blergh) If I want to watch Wayne’s World 100 times (which I have done, and I enjoy it, that’s up to me.
Scorsese, nor anyone else should be dictating what is and is not good film.

Scorsese is not dictating anything to anyone.

If you want to watch Wayne's World 100 times that's up to you, if he wants to state what he views as Cinema that's up to him.

Greyfox · 21-10-2019 6:54pm

pixelburp wrote: »

We do not need to go to bat for the MCU. It'll do ok on its own.

That's true although when people love something they naturally get defensive to any criticism

santana75 wrote: »

I think Coppola is right on this one. The Marvel films have absolutely nothing to say. They're empty films, nothing of any real substance is going on there at all. The Godfather was made in 1972, but its still being discovered by new generations and its still being talked about. 40 odd years time I dont think anyone will even remember any of these Marvel films let alone be still discussing them.

He's completely wrong. Black Panther had something to say about been black in America and Africa. You and Cappola just haven't looked hard enough. I 100% guarantee you they will be remembered and still be discussing them. The 23 film infinity saga is something that cinema has never done before.

FunLover18 · 21-10-2019 7:03pm

santana75 wrote: »

I think Coppola is right on this one. The Marvel films have absolutely nothing to say. They're empty films, nothing of any real substance is going on there at all. The Godfather was made in 1972, but its still being discovered by new generations and its still being talked about. 40 odd years time I dont think anyone will even remember any of these Marvel films let alone be still discussing them.

Marvel tales are for the main part very simple tales of good vs evil. The mistake is to assume that this automatically makes them lesser films. They will absolutely be remembered you on 40 years if not fpr their quality (which I'm not debating because it's pointless) but for what they've done in changing cinema, for successfully creating the first cinematic universe, it is a huge achievement and not one that is easily done or forgotten.

s7ryf3925pivug · 21-10-2019 8:03pm

I don't agree with films needing to have something to say, or something to teach. In fact I think they should be considered firmly in the context of entertainment unless they are documentaries or biopics. If people look to other movies to learn things then they will be misinformed.

I haven't seen Joker yet but it is controversial for negatively portraying mentally ill people. It perpetuates a stereotype that they are violent and dangerous apparently. People say it should communicate that mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

Well that's true but why should the film take it upon itself to educate people of that. People who become dangerous and violent to other people during a psychotic episode are in the minority but they are far from uncommon. Would it not be lame to agonize over giving a complete picture of mentally ill people in a film about a violent psychotic killer?

People should be educated about such things explicitly. This sort of subject should be what social education teaches in schools, and replace religion and mindfulness and whatever other indoctrination is being done these days.

RickBlaine · 21-10-2019 8:16pm

thenightman wrote: »

There's still decent films on in the likes of the ifi/lighthouse. I haven't been to a Cineworld type place in a year or two I'd say. I check the listings every Friday and never anything that interests me, just the usual combo of Spider-Man, Star Wars, comic book franchise tripe.

Also, you don't get many open mouthed chewers or phone checkers in ifi/lighthouse either compared to my last experience in the point odeon!

I saw Avengers: Infinity War in The Lighthouse.

For film makers like Scorcese or Coppola to rubbish the MCU in such a public and scathing way is, I think, an insult to the millions of people of all ages who have enjoyed these stories for the last 12 years and have considerable emotional investment in its characters.

Ironicname · 21-10-2019 8:21pm

RickBlaine wrote:

For film makers like Scorcese or Coppola to rubbish the MCU in such a public and scathing way is, I think, an insult to the millions of people of all ages who have enjoyed these stories for the last 12 years and have considerable emotional investment in its characters.

If you are insulted by someone else's opinion, you should re-evaluate to see what it is that makes you feel so easily offended.

johnny_ultimate · 22-10-2019 12:39am

Ken Loach up now :pac:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1186380912428228608?s=21

Veteran Male Directors Talking About Superhero Movies will be a feature-length documentary soon, and I’m there for it.

s7ryf3925pivug · 22-10-2019 7:04am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Ken Loach up now :pac:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1186380912428228608?s=21

Veteran Male Directors Talking About Superhero Movies will be a feature-length documentary soon, and I’m there for it.

Ken Loach movies are created by a commune of starving artists who donate all proceeds to the local community.

mikhail · 22-10-2019 8:55am

santana75 wrote: »

I think Coppola is right on this one. The Marvel films have absolutely nothing to say. They're empty films, nothing of any real substance is going on there at all. The Godfather was made in 1972, but its still being discovered by new generations and its still being talked about. 40 odd years time I dont think anyone will even remember any of these Marvel films let alone be still discussing them.

That's the bar now? Scorsese has never made a movie as good as The Godfather either.

correction · 22-10-2019 9:17am

FunLover18 wrote: »

Marvel tales are for the main part very simple tales of good vs evil. The mistake is to assume that this automatically makes them lesser films. They will absolutely be remembered you on 40 years if not fpr their quality (which I'm not debating because it's pointless) but for what they've done in changing cinema, for successfully creating the first cinematic universe, it is a huge achievement and not one that is easily done or forgotten.

This is probably true but I don't think it will be a positive memory. In the same way we look at the likes of Coppola and Scorsese influencing cinema for the better in the 70's, we'll look at these in the opposite way.

Greyfox · 22-10-2019 10:06am

mikhail wrote: »

That's the bar now? Scorsese has never made a movie as good as The Godfather either.

Goodfellas was a much better film, the godfather is a bit overratted

mikhail · 22-10-2019 10:15am

Greyfox wrote: »

Goodfellas was a much better film, the godfather is a bit overratted

That is your opinion. Critics and directors on the Sight and Sound 2012 list, to pick one highly reputable poll, disagree. The imdb top 250 also says audiences disagree. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't act like it's fact.

jam_mac_jam · 22-10-2019 10:20am

Greyfox wrote: »

Goodfellas was a much better film, the godfather is a bit overratted

Its really not. Goodfellas is good but not on the same level at all. Goodfellas is incredibly overrated. Its a good film not really that great in comparison to Godfather.

sky88 · 22-10-2019 10:31am

its all opinions in the end i disagree heavily with them as think there just trying to pick on the popular thing.

I want to go see the popcorn movies honestly thats what going to the cinema is to be wowd and for me that's big budget films i prefer. If i want a film that is being artisic and makes you think ill generally wait till it is released on dvd/streaming whatever

the this is not cinema is so stupid everything that is a movie is cinema yes some of its great and some of its terrible but thats what its made for. Scorsese probaley had similar comments made about him in the 70s by older directors and film-makers

i think as well using oscars and box office just because it wins oscars it isnt great and just because its biggest box office numbers doesnt mean its great ethier

Greyfox · 22-10-2019 11:59am

mikhail wrote: »

That is your opinion. Critics and directors on the Sight and Sound 2012 list, to pick one highly reputable poll, disagree. The imdb top 250 also says audiences disagree. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't act like it's fact.

Where did I say it was a fact? This is a place for opinions and not everyone thinks its a great film.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Its really not. Goodfellas is good but not on the same level at all. Goodfellas is incredibly overrated. Its a good film not really that great in comparison to Godfather.

Goodfella's is far more entertaining, it shows the good and bad of gangsters better than any other film. Godfather is a really good film, there's just much better films out there.

sky88 wrote: »

its all opinions in the end i disagree heavily with them as think there just trying to pick on the popular thing.

That's the thing, people are unfairly critisising them because their popular.. although it tends to happen with most popular things anyway

mikhail · 22-10-2019 12:03pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Where did I say it was a fact? This is a place for opinions and not everyone thinks its a great film.

I'd reply, but this is going off topic. Let's leave it here.

artvanderlay · 22-10-2019 10:54pm

I agree with Scorsese. The early Marvel films were enjoyable fluff (Blade 1-2, first couple of X-Men movies) but now they are so long-winded, po-faced and, worst of all, boring. I have watched most of them, and there is also a smugness about them now that really turns me off. They are like the McDonald's of cinema; ubiquitous, crazy popular, but not really good for anybody really.

I hate that something like Avengers Endgame cost around $400 million: that could have made 40 x 10 million budget movies, or even 10 x 40 million budget movies: movies that could have been very interesting, but that never get made, because the executives in charge want to bet big on a sure thing rather than take a few risks on films that mightn't make that much, but could be absolutely brilliant. It sickens me really. I also think any actor who takes Marvels money is a sell-out and a whore. Most of them are piss poor actors anyways. What did Robert Downey Jnr ever do really, apart from play Iron Man? Any other movie he did outside Marvel usually flopped, and it's a long way from Chaplin!

I don't even think a few flops would stop Marvel and the likes dominating today's cinema. These days, it's mostly for bored kids with too much pocket money, and also for non-discerning cinema-goers that will just go to any ****e, and that love to shove their fat, stupid faces with popcorn and sugar. Scorsese is a legend. The directors of Marvel movies are nobodies, hailed only by fanboys with arrested development.

Rant over

Greyfox · 23-10-2019 10:16am

artvanderlay wrote: »

I have watched most of them, and there is also a smugness about them now that really turns me off. They are like the McDonald's of cinema; ubiquitous, crazy popular, but not really good for anybody really.

I don't even think a few flops would stop Marvel and the likes dominating today's cinema. These days, it's mostly for bored kids with too much pocket money, and also for non-discerning cinema-goers that will just go to any ****e, and that love to shove their fat, stupid faces with popcorn and sugar. Scorsese is a legend. The directors of Marvel movies are nobodies, hailed only by fanboys with arrested development.

Rant over

I think it's arrogant and childish to say their not really good for anybody when very clearly the evidence proves these are the films most people want. I think the smugness is your imagination and you nee to accept that you have an unpopular opinion. Your rant is just trivial gibberish, actually your post insults the adults who enjoyed magnificent films like Infinity War, CA: Winter soldier, Thor Ragnorak and Black Panther. How would you like it if I insulted your opinion? Scorsese is a legend which is why actors and directors are right to get annoyed when a legend unfairly dismisses there work

ErnestBorgnine · 23-10-2019 10:20am

Greyfox wrote: »

I think it's arrogant and childish to say their not really good for anybody when very clearly the evidence proves these are the films most people want. I think the smugness is your imagination and you nee to accept that you have an unpopular opinion. Your rant is just trivial gibberish, actually your post insults the adults who enjoyed magnificent films like Infinity War, CA: Winter soldier, Thor Ragnorak and Black Panther. How would you like it if I insulted your opinion? Scorsese is a legend which is why actors and directors are right to get annoyed when a legend unfairly dismisses there work

Just a guess but he probably wouldn't care?

Homelander · 23-10-2019 10:31am

Black Panther is certainly not a 'magnificant' film. Totally over-rated and really not much more than competent, the Oscar nomination was an utter joke. I enjoy all the Marvel films to varying degrees, but few are worth of being described as 'magnificent'. I'd say Winter Soldier and Thor: Ragnarok, maybe the first Iron Man, are about the only ones that would still be described as great movies into the distant future.

s7ryf3925pivug · 23-10-2019 10:40am

artvanderlay wrote: »

I agree with Scorsese. The early Marvel films were enjoyable fluff (Blade 1-2, first couple of X-Men movies) but now they are so long-winded, po-faced and, worst of all, boring. I have watched most of them, and there is also a smugness about them now that really turns me off. They are like the McDonald's of cinema; ubiquitous, crazy popular, but not really good for anybody really.

I hate that something like Avengers Endgame cost around $400 million: that could have made 40 x 10 million budget movies, or even 10 x 40 million budget movies: movies that could have been very interesting, but that never get made, because the executives in charge want to bet big on a sure thing rather than take a few risks on films that mightn't make that much, but could be absolutely brilliant. It sickens me really. I also think any actor who takes Marvels money is a sell-out and a whore. Most of them are piss poor actors anyways. What did Robert Downey Jnr ever do really, apart from play Iron Man? Any other movie he did outside Marvel usually flopped, and it's a long way from Chaplin!

I don't even think a few flops would stop Marvel and the likes dominating today's cinema. These days, it's mostly for bored kids with too much pocket money, and also for non-discerning cinema-goers that will just go to any ****e, and that love to shove their fat, stupid faces with popcorn and sugar. Scorsese is a legend. The directors of Marvel movies are nobodies, hailed only by fanboys with arrested development.

Rant over

People put too much value on what they consume, define themselves by it.

Regardless whether I watch taxi driver or I watch the avengers, I’m just watching a movie. One activity is not superior to the other. The only differences are how much I enjoy it, and what conversations I can have about it.

Greyfox · 23-10-2019 12:00pm

ErnestBorgnine wrote: »

Just a guess but he probably wouldn't care?

Saying you dont like Marval films or that you think their overratted is perfectly ok. Saying the films are for non-discerning cinema-goers is talking complete and utter nonsense.

artvanderlay · 23-10-2019 12:11pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Saying you dont like Marval films or that you think their overratted is perfectly ok. Saying the films are for non-discerning cinema-goers is talking complete and utter nonsense.

I stand by my opinion, but it is just an opinion. Don't get too worked up by differences in opinions: you'll live longer! :pac:

ErnestBorgnine · 23-10-2019 12:50pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Saying you dont like Marval films or that you think their overratted is perfectly ok. Saying the films are for non-discerning cinema-goers is talking complete and utter nonsense.

That's a matter of opinion that can be discussed or ignored.

People are allowed to have opinions that you don't think are 'perfectly ok'

artvanderlay · 23-10-2019 1:44pm

I think since the 80s, mainstream cinema has become more and more risk averse and is now primarily aimed at the teenage/non-discerning market i.e. the people that will go to the cinema no matter what and spend their money: it's their night out and they are going to watch whatever is out that week, regardless of quality (it's like the people that watch Mrs Brown's Boy: they would probably just be looking at tv anyways and would watch anything in that timeslot :pac:). I have no problem with people liking Marvel movies and the likes, but when there is very little else to choose from at the cinema, I do have a problem with that. I also think there are too many virtue-signalling/oscar-bait movies too, with not enough entertaining, mainstream adult movies. Whatever happened to adult thrillers? With good scripts, actors, directors involved? Marvel movies cost a lot, but are not great films. Something like Gone Girl, which I think was great, had a great cast, a great director and a really good script and cost €60 million. That would be regarded as a fairly big budget for a thriller like that. I'd like to see more movies like this, even with smaller budgets, with more genuine adult themes that can be dissected afterwards.

I get why kids like Marvel movies. When I was a child I loved the original Star Wars trilogy; I thought it was the greatest thing ever and had lots of the action figures. Then I watched it a few years back, and I thought the script and dialogue was cringe-worthy. The visuals were, and still are, spectacular though, so I can commend Lucas for that. These Marvel movies don't even have that going for them though: their washed out visuals/jaded grey look, and the sombre mood are ****ing ire-inducing to watch. Give me a kitschy Superman flying up to the window of the Daily Planet in Superman 2 and asking "General, would you care to step outside?" any day over anything in the Avengers movies. Plus anything with Jeremy Renner in it is **** by default :P

Greyfox · 23-10-2019 3:45pm

artvanderlay wrote: »

I think since the 80s, mainstream cinema has become more and more risk averse and is now primarily aimed at the teenage/non-discerning market i.e. the people that will go to the cinema no matter what and spend their money: it's their night out and they are going to watch whatever is out that week, regardless of quality (it's like the people that watch Mrs Brown's Boy: they would probably just be looking at tv anyways and would watch anything in that timeslot :pac:). I have no problem with people liking Marvel movies and the likes, but when there is very little else to choose from at the cinema, I do have a problem with that. I also think there are too many virtue-signalling/oscar-bait movies too, with not enough entertaining, mainstream adult movies. Whatever happened to adult thrillers? With good scripts, actors, directors involved? Marvel movies cost a lot, but are not great films. Something like Gone Girl, which I think was great, had a great cast, a great director and a really good script and cost €60 million. That would be regarded as a fairly big budget for a thriller like that. I'd like to see more movies like this, even with smaller budgets, with more genuine adult themes that can be dissected afterwards.

I get why kids like Marvel movies. When I was a child I loved the original Star Wars trilogy; I thought it was the greatest thing ever and had lots of the action figures. Then I watched it a few years back, and I thought the script and dialogue was cringe-worthy. The visuals were, and still are, spectacular though, so I can commend Lucas for that. These Marvel movies don't even have that going for them though: their washed out visuals/jaded grey look, and the sombre mood are ****ing ire-inducing to watch. Give me a kitschy Superman flying up to the window of the Daily Planet in Superman 2 and asking "General, would you care to step outside?" any day over anything in the Avengers movies. Plus anything with Jeremy Renner in it is **** by default :P

Ultimately that's because less people will go to the cinema for Gone Girl and studio execs know this, its a sad fact but its a fact. Most people want bang for there buck when they go to the cinema which is why special effects laden films will always dominate, most people want a spectacle. Most people want something that looks a lot better on the big screen and its here the likes of Infinity war really delivers. As it happens I waited and seen Gone girl for free and its a superb film, I would of only enjoyed the film a little bit more in the cinema. Lots of stupid people pay into the cinema to watch stupid films, this will never change and sadly it means more stupid films will get made including cheap horror films or romantic comedys. It is sad that more original films are not been made but the film industry was like that before Marvel became popular. For now I'm not too bothered as I feel Marvel films are delivering the goods as even their weakest films are watchable.

I personally don't know how anybody can say the visuals of infinity war where not spectacular, its like watching Jurassic park in 1993 and not been impressed with the special effects. Marvel have done something Cinema has never seen before. Their films are on an epic scale that no other film franchise can or will ever match including Star Wars, they provide a huge mythology which makes fans want to watch the other films in the franchise and talk a lot more about the films which is golddust for film profits. The truth is almost all the Marvel films are getting good reviews so any talk of been bad for cinema can only be relevant if the films were getting panned by the critics.

Ardent · 23-10-2019 4:23pm

Marvel pushes the envelope from time to time with the odd flagship movie or blockbuster (e.g., original Iron Man, Infinity War), but in between they push out a lot of low quality cookie-cutter rubbish. Films like Ant Man, GOTG, Captain Marvel and Black Panther. It's quite tedious at this stage.

The last worthwhile super hero movie I saw was Spiderman: Into The Spiderverse. There's a movie that at least breaks the mould and does something different.

FunLover18 · 23-10-2019 4:28pm

Gone Girl made just under 370 million.

Once Upon A Time ... In Hollywood made almost the same on a budget of 90 million. These movies are still getting made and they're making money but let's not pretend that either were "indie" or that QT and Fincher are underdogs in a superhero wolrd. The real underdogs are the likes of Booksmart which totally bombed despjte being one of the funniest film of the year. Or Wild Rose or the recent American Woman with Sienna Miller.

Also worth noting the last Marvel movie was in July (?) and the next one isn't until May.

MaceFace · 24-10-2019 7:41am

There's no business like showbusiness

Without the Marvel movies, attendance in the cinemas would be a lot less, leading to theaters closing and less opportunities for other movies to be shown.

24-10-2019 8:02am

I don’t go to the cinema anymore. I’ve checked the listings many times but rarely see anything I’d want to pay for or invest time in.

Terminator 6? Iron Man 4? Avengers 7? Nah not for me.

They just don’t make original movies anymore.
But I respect that the majority seem to like these movies.

pixelburp · 24-10-2019 8:22am

MaceFace wrote: »

There's no business like showbusiness

Without the Marvel movies, attendance in the cinemas would be a lot less, leading to theaters closing and less opportunities for other movies to be shown.

If it wasn't Marvel, it'd be something else - they didn't invent the blockbuster. Cinemas have been closing anyway due to the home cinema experience & steaming; while Disney are forcing chains (American ones anyway) to accept lower takes on their big tier films like Star Wars, the obvious knock on being more showings to scrape back lost profit. By and large blockbusters nearly always swallow up the lions share of showings anyway, and it isn't uncommon to find smaller releases ignored by my local. Cinemas are being kept alive by blockbusters, to the near exclusivity of blockbusters. The mid-budget crowdpleaser is pretty much extinct in theatres, and mostly the preserve of Netflix / Amazon now.

pixelburp · 25-10-2019 8:36am

Just to emphasis my previous post, copying JohnnyUltimate's own from the off-topic thread, but Disney are killing (independent) cinemas - not keeping them alive. But hey, at least Wolverine can fight with Hulk now, so that's OK?

https://twitter.com/mattzollerseitz/status/1187482142391046145?s=21[

mikhail · 25-10-2019 10:59am

pixelburp wrote: »

Just to emphasis my previous post, copying JohnnyUltimate's own from the off-topic thread, but Disney are killing (independent) cinemas - not keeping them alive. But hey, at least Wolverine can fight with Hulk now, so that's OK?

Disney's near monopoly is a disaster. It's possible to acknowledge that without ****ting on 40 films at once.

25-10-2019 11:01am

He's spot on. All Marvel films are abysmal.

FunLover18 · 25-10-2019 11:43am

pixelburp wrote: »

Just to emphasis my previous post, copying JohnnyUltimate's own from the off-topic thread, but Disney are killing (independent) cinemas - not keeping them alive. But hey, at least Wolverine can fight with Hulk now, so that's OK?

https://twitter.com/mattzollerseitz/status/1187482142391046145?s=21[

Seeing that Disney's Monopoly is a horrible thing and seriously damaging to cinema and enjoying Marvel movies are not mutually exclusive.

pixelburp · 25-10-2019 11:56am

FunLover18 wrote: »

Seeing that Disney's Monopoly is a horrible thing and seriously damaging to cinema and enjoying Marvel movies are not mutually exclusive.

I wasn't saying that, but following up to the previous post countering this notion that Disney/blockbusters are somehow keeping cinemas alive. Basically the "trickle down" economy in cinematic form. They are, technically, but at a high price that now includes old Fox films being 'vaulted'.

brianregan09 · 25-10-2019 8:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He's spot on. All Marvel films are abysmal.

In your opinion

The White Wolf · 25-10-2019 8:07pm

Marty is an oul lad and that's not disrespect. He spoke about The Sopranos recently as well and spoke about how he couldn't relate to it; he said the exact same things my own oul lad said about The Sopranos.

I don't agree with the argument that these major studios are suffocating indie directors. James Gunn, Ryan Coogler and the Russos were uplifted by Marvel. DC is giving the likes of Ava DeVernay and Patty Jenkins free reign to devolop ideas.

brianregan09 · 25-10-2019 8:10pm

And anyway your allowed to love both , I adore Goodfellas , Casino it is some of the best stuff ever made in my opinion, But I also love the marvel stuff it's where it is because of good storytelling

Marvel were on the brink of being bankrupt and they mortgaged what they had left to build there own studio and work on Iron Man 1 and they deserve to be where they are

Frank O. Pinion · 27-10-2019 10:08am

brianregan09 wrote: »

In your opinion

What an utterly redundant thing to post. "In your opinion"? Yes, he's posting words on a message board, I think it's safe to assume it's his own opinion.

But ironically, it's also a fact. The Marvel films are abysmal.

Besides destroying modern cinema with what they produce, Disney are a horrible company because of their involvement in copyright law. I can never support anything Disney does because of that.

Hangdogroad · 27-10-2019 11:24am

Its the never ending franchises, how many X-Men spinoffs have there been now? Star Wars is going down the same route, I enjoy the original trilogy for what it is but I couldn't care less about the wider SW universe.

Greyfox · 27-10-2019 12:34pm

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

But ironically, it's also a fact. The Marvel films are abysmal.

Saying your opinion is a fact says you don't understand what an opinion is.

Frank O. Pinion · 27-10-2019 7:31pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Saying your opinion is a fact says you don't understand what an opinion is.

I know what an opinion is, and I know what a fact is, but obviously you don't know when someone is being waggish. Or the fact that Marvel films are utter crap.

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