Venom

HandsomeBob · 15-09-2018 4:05pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Apparently that figure is a cautious one from Sony; hard to know how this one is going to pan & the PG-13 screams a hasty patch job in the editing room - assuming this was originally scripted and shot as R-rated. Might end up being itself a 'turd in the wind'

Am I the only one though that think the effects look awful. Like that "we are Venom" visual at the end of one of the trailers. ****ing ****e!

pixelburp · 26-09-2018 6:16pm

A clip of Venom in action has surfaced. While it's possibly edited for promotional purposes, the violence feels incredibly PG-13;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbIgO70hKo

pjohnson · 26-09-2018 6:18pm

pixelburp wrote: »

A clip of Venom in action has surfaced. While it's possibly edited for promotional purposes, the violence feels incredibly PG-13;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbIgO70hKo

He got Mr. Wilhelm anyway.

bullvine · 28-09-2018 11:15am

It seems to be 15A

15A – Minimum age for admission is 15, but younger children can be admitted if accompanied by an adult (15PG between 1 June 2001 - 1 January 2005).

i thought it might be 12A, I am wondering would it be suitable for a 9 year old who has seen most recent comic book movies..

pixelburp · 28-09-2018 11:42am

The UK are classifying it as 15, and the BBFC is usually a pretty good site for researching that sort of thing (side point, Ireland's IFCO site is hideously out of date; slow and ugly. Their Venom info isn't as detailed)

The BBFC say:

THREAT
There are a number of sequences in which people are threatened and attacked by the alien organisms, or by people into whose bodies the aliens have entered.

Horror sequences include the alien organisms entering people's bodies, causing their limbs to distort and their bones to crack. There is sight of injury detail, including protruding bones

VIOLENCE
Stronger moments of violence include people being impaled by the alien organisms, sometimes with bloody detail, and people being eaten by the aliens. There is also moderate action violence throughout, including heavy punches, kicks and other blows as well as use of tasers.

There is also infrequent strong language ('f**k'), alongside milder bad language (eg 'pussy', 's**t'). There are sequences in which live animals appear to be eaten but no animals were harmed in the making of the film.

peteeeed · 02-10-2018 11:47am

the early reviews are in and they are not good

ouch
https://twitter.com/DanielRPK/status/1046988389147467776

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/02/venom-critics-give-movie-harsh-reviews-despite-tom-hardy-wanting-sequel-7997315/

HandsomeBob · 02-10-2018 12:42pm

Balls on Sony for announcing Morbius ahead of the release for this. Hopefully this tanks and they give up by handing the full library back to Disney in exchange for a now AND WELL DESERVED reduced sum for doing such damage to the character.

pixelburp · 02-10-2018 12:52pm

I suppose usually when the initial Twitter reaction is breathlessly enthusiastic, the caveat is to caution their reliability - same should probably apply here. Could just be a case of people wanting to hate the movie. That one tweet comparing it to something from the 2000s though, the trailers have felt like something deeply archaic.

2smiggy · 02-10-2018 12:58pm

i still remain somewhat optimistic

Loughc · 02-10-2018 1:04pm

peteeeed wrote: »

the early reviews are in and they are not good

ouch
https://twitter.com/DanielRPK/status/1046988389147467776

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/02/venom-critics-give-movie-harsh-reviews-despite-tom-hardy-wanting-sequel-7997315/

No surprise at all, the trailers look awful and there is not much appeal in having a Venom movie without it being in the Spider-Man/MCU universe.

Fysh · 02-10-2018 1:24pm

Counterpoint to the "give it back to Disney" argument - if you think Sony are making a balls of this, what do you think the company that's making a Pg13 cut of Deadpool would do with the concept? Because I doubt it'd be any good...

(Caveat: I find most of the MCU films tediously samey and bland, so I don't share the desire to see more properties move over to Marvel's production process. I'm going to see Venom tomorrow night so will report back afterwards.)

kerplun k · 02-10-2018 2:16pm

Jeez, The Catwoman comparison is damming.
What is it about Sony.... With the exception of BR2049, they managed to make a mess of every film they touch.
They've gone out and spent money on a competent director and excellent lead, which I’m guessing wouldn’t have signed up if the script wasn’t up to scratch.., but somehow they've still managed to balls this up (if early reaction is to be believed).

Too much studio meddling me thinks. It was supposed to be R-rated, now I hear its PG13. Tom Hardy was on recently saying his favourite 40m was cut. I think with Sony, it’s a case of too many cooks, too much interference from too many higher ups. By the time it hits screens, I think most of the creative originality and vision has been strangled out and replaced with ideas from studio bosses trying to play it safe. In today’s market, there is no reward without any risk. I don’t believe for a second that the current version of this is what the director intended.

brianregan09 · 02-10-2018 2:25pm

Alot of people who are begging for these to be R rated movies forget that all these characters come from comicbooks aimed at kids and teenagers , hell my love for Venom/Carnage and all the symbiotes come from the Fox kids animated spiderman show in the 90's that wasn't R Rated , you don't need blood , sex , violence etc to an r rated level if the story is good.

And I do believe Marvel should have all there properties back , look at DC they have all there stuff and haven't a clue what to do with it , I'm going to see this tomorrow because I'm a venom fan (and hardy) so I am hoping it's good but I'm not holding out much hope sadly

pixelburp · 02-10-2018 2:41pm

"R rated" doesn't automatically make for a better movie - in fact if I'm being honest depending how extreme the violence is, it may put me off - but I think where the problems can arise is the dreaded studio-mandated reshoot and / or mangling in the Editing Room. A good story, told well does'nt NEED sex & violence (obviously unless those are the ostensible subjects), and leaning on those as a crutch for your story just makes you Eli Roth. A Quiet Place was PG-13, yet was probably the most nerve-shredding, audience-gasping production I've seen in the cinema over the last 12 months. Good filmmakers know where to turn the screw.

It's not so much the downgrade of the rating that kills though, it's the origin and application of the decision; more often than not, they're done in a panicked rush, probably after test screenings, and can end up demolishing the tone, pacing and overall structure of the original movie. I love bringing it up but you have no better a recent example than Josh Trank's Fantastic Four reboot; while I'm not sure the original production was meant to be R-rated, Fox had conniptions over Trank's dark, Cronenberg style approach (the director being a colossal dick probably didn't help either) and effectively reshoot most of the movie into a barely structured mess - complete with a terrible blonde wig sported by Kate Mara advertising her own reshoots.

kerplun k · 02-10-2018 2:41pm

It’s nothing to do with the rating. The problem seems to be when the artistic and creative people start off doing one thing and the studio heads hack away at it and try modify it to make it more appealing to the masses. Hardy said it himself, his favourite 40m of the movie was cut. Why do you think it was cut?

Fysh · 02-10-2018 3:46pm

brianregan09 wrote: »

Alot of people who are begging for these to be R rated movies forget that all these characters come from comicbooks aimed at kids and teenagers , hell my love for Venom/Carnage and all the symbiotes come from the Fox kids animated spiderman show in the 90's that wasn't R Rated , you don't need blood , sex , violence etc to an r rated level if the story is good.

And I do believe Marvel should have all there properties back , look at DC they have all there stuff and haven't a clue what to do with it , I'm going to see this tomorrow because I'm a venom fan (and hardy) so I am hoping it's good but I'm not holding out much hope sadly

Horses for courses, personally I'd much prefer comic adaptations to come in a wide variety of styles, genres and subject matters rather than the for me tedious uniformity of the MCU. Just because other studios are making an actual mess of their film adaptations doesn't mean I'd prefer more identikit mediocrity. (Not giving out about others enjoying the MCU, the films just don't work for me so I would rather they not Borg even more of the cinema release slate than they've already got...)

Venom is one example of a character that can be used to tell a substantially different story than a lot of mainstream superhero films, hence my hope from both casting Tom Hardy and committing to an R rating that they had a distinct identity and idea for the film that would be different from what we usually see.

brianregan09 · 02-10-2018 7:26pm

Guaridians of The Galaxy : Space opera
Thor Ragnorock : Flash Gordon Type Comedy
Black Panther: Political Film with Racial undertones
Ant Man and the Wasp: Heist film/Rom Com
Captain America Civil War/Winter Soldier : Political Thrillers

To me alot of the MCU films are very different types and genres of films the only ones that are samey are the sequels of said films , The only uniformity is that they all are set in the same universe , To me anyway but as you said horses for courses ,

I could go on at how this should have never been made anyway as the Symbiote only exists because Spider Man brought it home from Battleworld in Secret Wars , but there's no point it's been made , as I said I hope it's good , I've just seen Fox and Sony with Fantastic Four balls up so many great properties I wince everytime a character I like gets a film under any of these studios

and yes the MCU films are not 100% comic accurate either but they are a damn sight close than anything FOX, Sony or Newline or any of the rest ever managed ,

Jimmy100 · 02-10-2018 8:06pm

ps3lover wrote: »

Isn’t this supposed to be a hard R rated horror film?

Well, yes. Hubby took our 9 year old to see the movie Paul when it came out. Watched the first Predator with same parent at 2. He turned out okay, except for his facial tick and night screaming.

Mr E · 03-10-2018 10:34am

The regular review embargo was up this morning and it's as expected - 27% on RT, 33% on MC.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/venom-2018
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/venom_2018

Basq · 03-10-2018 10:36am

Jaysus.. pretty damn shocking!

To be honest, I was far from sold on the trailers, so that's just confirmed what I was thinking.

NoviGlitzko · 03-10-2018 11:01am

Venom was probably my favourite comic book character as a kid but I was already probably not going to see it because I dislike Tom Hardy with his blue steel and unintelligible speech in films. With them reviews I'm happy to give this a miss.

kerplun k · 03-10-2018 11:47am

I can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason, the visuals, colouring and picture reminds me of The Dark Tower, It smacks of something out of the 90s. kinda like a 90s jeans commercial. It was the same with The Equalizer 2, which I thought was done intentionally because that was the time period when the OG show was set. I just looked at the trailer for MRCs Mortal Engines, and again this wired 90s colour effect.

Mr E · 03-10-2018 11:53am

That's what a lot of reviews are saying. It looks like a movie that came out in the 90s/00s.

Brief_Lives · 03-10-2018 1:42pm

Spoilery review year... and yep, I've lost total interest...

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20181003-film-review-venom

GavRedKing · 03-10-2018 3:36pm

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Spoilery review year... and yep, I've lost total interest...

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20181003-film-review-venom

Sounds like a right pile of sh*te.

I was optimistic enough with it but I think I'll give that a skip.

PTH2009 · 03-10-2018 4:21pm

Just saw it

Ok film but not enough Venom in it for my liking. The end credit scene is crucial and certain sites are really spoiling it so beware

Tom Hardy was decent in it

A good bit of 'Women power' in it which we will see more of in next few superhero movies

eviltimeban · 03-10-2018 8:36pm

Don't know anything about Venom but like the majority of the MCU movies. Like Tom Hardy too, so I reckon I'll have a pretty open mind with this one and have zero expectations.

Fysh · 03-10-2018 9:00pm

It was an ok movie on average, some good bits and a few meh-to-bad things.

The good: the early Venom/Brock action scenes were strong; for the most part the inner dialogue was done well and had a few very funny gags (which didn't feel out of place, always nice); it didn't overstay its welcome in terms of running time (Marvel's tendency toward a 2.5 hour running time can G right TFO as far as I'm concerned).

The not-so-good: the story is barely even there, most likely due to post production shenanigans; the villain of the piece is a cardboard Fake Elon Musk whose motives aren't explained in any depth, and the same is true of his crap henchman; there's too much time spent on the dull relationship between Eddie and Annie, and the narrative feels very fractured, not as bad as Suicide Squad but monkeyed around with in a similar way.

I didn't stick around for the post credits scene because ain't nobody got time for that nonsense

I reckon that a pretty good 10-15 minute short (like the Punisher "Dirty Laundry" short from a few years back) from this, but as a feature film it's a mess.

Drumpot · 03-10-2018 11:58pm

I really enjoyed it, I expected little which helped. Went with a friend who is an Uber comicbook fan (he understood the after credits reference) and he loved it.

I am not sure what all the hate is for , this was a bit of fun. Some people take this too seriously.

I would give it a solid 8/10.

Fysh · 04-10-2018 7:28am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Just saw it

Ok film but not enough Venom in it for my liking. The end credit scene is crucial and certain sites are really spoiling it so beware

Tom Hardy was decent in it

A good bit of 'Women power' in it which we will see more of in next few superhero movies

From reading around, the post credits scene was

Woody Harrelson as Cletus Kasady teasing Carnage for a sequel

Fun bait for big Venom/symbiote fans though that might be, it's anything but crucial to my mind

(But then, I loathe the constant hype train that surrounds superhero films so YMMV)

SimonTemplar · 04-10-2018 2:05pm

I actually watched the three episode venom arc from the 90's animated Spider-Man series last night. It was pretty enjoyable. That show moves at a lightning pace.

Those 90s superhero animated shows were really great.

Outlaw Pete · 04-10-2018 4:20pm

Seen it last night, hated it.

Hardy was shite in it and that's from someone who usually likes him in stuff. But it was just a terrible performance, almost nothing he said came across as his character being genuine and his accent grated.

As for the film itself, it just irritated me. So much of how the action is laid out results in you seeing much of what's coming next from a mile off. Went to the toilet at one point and that was the highlight for the two hours for me. Not in the auditorium, but it would have been fitting if I had. Woeful crap.

One of the most annoying things is that at the screening I was at, people seemed to really enjoy it. Breaking their holes laughing at the most cringe worthy scenes. If they were children I'd understand but adults doubled up laughing at this junk makes me fear for humanity.

At one point some dried ice emitted from below the screen (was at the 4DX screening) and I briefly thought Cineworld was on fire and we were all about to die.

No such luck.

sonic85 · 04-10-2018 5:03pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

One of the most annoying things is that at the screening I was at, people seemed to really enjoy it. Breaking their holes laughing at the most cringe worthy scenes. If they were children I'd understand but adults doubled up laughing at this junk makes me fear for humanity.

Hold on - so one of your biggest issues with it was that people found stuff funny that you didn't? Why does that pi$$ you off so much? Fair enough you didn't like it - does that mean everybody needs to feel the same as you?

Busi_Girl08 · 04-10-2018 5:10pm

Largely I enjoyed it, but like others found it fairly rushed. Does anyone else think it might have suited better as a Defenders-style short series? Might have given it a chance to flesh the arc out a bit more, find out more about

the other symbiotes

, where they're from, what they can do, etc

Outlaw Pete · 04-10-2018 6:39pm

sonic85 wrote: »

Why does that pi$$ you off so much?

Cause it means studios will keep making muck like this.

If I had my way everyone in attendance would be banned from ever going to the cinema again.

Fysh · 04-10-2018 7:00pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Cause it means studios will keep making muck like this.

If I had my way everyone in attendance would be banned from ever going to the cinema again.

Ehn, we've all got different ideas of what films are muck. Getting annoyed at other people for having the temerity to not share your taste in films is a guaranteed way to spend a lot of time annoyed...

Riddle101 · 04-10-2018 7:08pm

Saw it today and thought it was an ok movie, but could have been better. I feel like it would have been a better movie if it was part of the MCU and had Kevin Feige as producer. I just don't have any faith in any company other than Disney to make marvel comic book movies. They could tie it in with Spider-Man that way.

Also, I noticed that the astronaut who brought the symbiote to earth and crashed landed had the last name Jameson. He was most likely J. Jonah Jameson's son, who is the editor in chief of the Daily Bugle where Peter Parker works. In the comics, his son is an astronaut too.

Osmosis Jones · 04-10-2018 9:08pm

I just want Tom Hardy to get a role where he gets to have a normal voice.

RocketRaccoon · 04-10-2018 9:11pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Cause it means studios will keep making muck like this.

If I had my way everyone in attendance would be banned from ever going to the cinema again.

The absolutely ****in stink of pretentious notions off your posts.

stateofflux · 04-10-2018 9:17pm

Drumpot wrote: »

I really enjoyed it, I expected little which helped. Went with a friend who is an Uber comicbook fan (he understood the after credits reference) and he loved it.

I am not sure what all the hate is for , this was a bit of fun. Some people take this too seriously.

I would give it a solid 8/10.

sweet jesus we're all bollixed

Zero-Cool · 04-10-2018 9:32pm

Saw it tonight and really enjoyed it. Venom is my favourite marvel film but had low expectations because Sony but I was pleasantly surprised. Hardy's accent was annoying and there was some weak writing for the main characters but I really liked the convo's between Eddie and venom. Even though I'm more a fan of the serious/angry attitude, the humour was needed in this film I thought. I gave a few chuckles but some people thought it was hilarious.

Absolute highlight for me was the post credits scene.

Woody could be to Kasady what Robert Downey Jr is to iron man. I hope they get the sequel made just to see Carnage in full effect.

I think Sony could pull off a Spidey in the next film like Batman cameo'd in the suicide squad. Definitely not the tom Holland version, a mid 20's seasoned Spidey could work but not sure if Sony would even have the right to do that. I'd love to see the 3 come up against each other.

Got a cool venom comic as well from Odeon which was a nice bonus.

IncognitoMan · 05-10-2018 1:50am

Seen it tonight and had very low expectations because I thought the trailer was trash.

But it's not terrible. It's alright. 6/10. There was potential for a better film in there and it kinda feels like this should be a draft before they finalised the script.

The main story is there and is fine but the comedy is weak as and there was a good few scenes where they could have played it alot better.

The cgi end fight is all over the place but that's pretty standard at this stage.

ziggy23 · 05-10-2018 6:24am

I actually really enjoyed it was something completely different from the likes of the avengers. Wouldn't know a lot about venom but I've a 9 year old Marvel fanatic who was filling me in beforehand. During the film I was kinda thinking oh s**t is this suitable for him as parts of it we're a bit graphic but he really enjoyed it too. Not exactly Oscar worthy but a bit of enjoyable fun ðŸ‘

NoviGlitzko · 05-10-2018 11:34am

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

I just want Tom Hardy to get a role where he gets to have a normal voice.

Seriously, the speech thing. Apologies for harping on about this but I can't understand half of what he's saying in films. What was Mad Max all about? Or his role in Lawless? It doesn't add to any mystique, it's just annoying.

HandsomeBob · 05-10-2018 12:10pm

Agreed on the accents he sometimes undertakes but I actually liked what he did in Mad Max. Kind of suited the character that he could barely conjure the will to get thee words out.

Fysh · 05-10-2018 12:35pm

See, I read these kinds of comments about Hardy and they mystify me. The only role Hardy's had where I had any issue understanding him was Bane - everything else seems fine to me, even his "welshman with a cold" accent in Locke wasn't an issue.

His accent in Venom wobbled a bit, but I can't think of any point where I didn't understand him.

brianregan09 · 05-10-2018 6:40pm

Thought his accent was perfectly fine in Venom can't get how people are making out he's mumbling at all , Mad Max I get but not this .

The one bit where he mumbled he was just after getting the symbiote and his body was having a hard time dealing with it , If you've seen it you'll know what I'm talking about

coolisin · 06-10-2018 12:23am

Went to this with the lowest of the low expectations.
And I actually enjoyed it more then I thought it was. I sat there thinking why all the absolute hate.
Would I tell people not to see this no, not at all. Good Friday night switch off your brains comic book movie.

I’ve seen a lot worse comic book movies produced over the last few years.

Gorgeousgeorge · 06-10-2018 12:31am

Really enjoyed it. Well worth going to see

Corholio · 06-10-2018 2:14am

I'm glad that some comic book films don't have the Marvel/'Feige' gloss and template to them. I'm not saying it was a wonderful film but it was fine and enjoyable, and different from the MCU. I personally find Spider-Man a dull character in the MCU so I'm glad he was able to be kept out of this and let different type of roles play out rather than just hero-villain.

I find Hardy's voice fine for the most part, the only film that it's cropped up was The Revenant, some scenes his accent was a little gruff to hear certain words.

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