Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Jacovs · 30-09-2019 7:13pm

ozzy jr wrote: »

Was waiting for my flight to Frankfurt this morning and an AA 787 landed. It must have been sitting waiting for over an hour before it got to a stand. Two EI A330s landed soon after and they sat in the queue behind it. Is this normal now at Dublin?

It's bad enough doing a trans Atlantic flight without adding another hour onto the journey for the last couple of hundred meters.

Cant speak for the EI's, but the AA208 has a scheduled arrival time of 1135am. It landed at 1028am, an hour early. It got on stand 1122am.
Yes nearly an hour from landing till on stand, but still got on stand 10 minutes before it was scheduled to.
Cant expect to arrive that early and get straight in when there are scheduled flights that need the stands.

Edit: im wrong actually. Got caught out by the UTC time of flightradar. It actually landed bang on time, but was left waiting nearly and hour and got on stand nearly an hour late and caused a 30min delay on its departure.
Yes that is inexcusable from dublin airport.

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-09-2019 7:52pm

ozzy jr wrote: »

Was waiting for my flight to Frankfurt this morning and an AA 787 landed. It must have been sitting waiting for over an hour before it got to a stand. Two EI A330s landed soon after and they sat in the queue behind it. Is this normal now at Dublin?

It's bad enough doing a trans Atlantic flight without adding another hour onto the journey for the last couple of hundred meters.

That is pretty poor from Dublin Airport - I would be livid if that was normal

30-09-2019 11:12pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

That is pretty poor from Dublin Airport - I would be livid if that was normal

Why do you assume it was the airports fault ?

Delays can be caused by broken equipment, short staff, delayed fuelling, busy pushback crew, outbound with a slot, medical on outbound, late passengers, lost passengers, slots, technical issue with outbound etc etc etc.

marno21 · 30-09-2019 11:49pm

I arrived into Dublin on that AA208 flight in August and was waiting for a stand for 35 minutes - flight was slightly early but arrival at the gate was late.

It's bad enough being on one of those 787-8's with the tight window seats for that long let alone being on the ground. I shudder to think of what it's like on the ORD flights to Asia.

IngazZagni · 12-10-2019 12:27am

Taxi queues have been an absolute farce again recently. 40 minute waits at 1am last week. As I type a massive queue at half past midnight. Over 30 minute wait. Complete shambles.

Blut2 · 12-10-2019 11:26am

IngazZagni wrote: »

Taxi queues have been an absolute farce again recently. 40 minute waits at 1am last week. As I type a massive queue at half past midnight. Over 30 minute wait. Complete shambles.

I've suffered massive queues multiple times recently too. They seem to only let taxis through in groups of 3 or 4, when the rank could easily take 8+.

Is there a shortage of taxis in the 'kesh' these days? The drivers are still always giving out about how long they're waiting in there.

deconduo · 12-10-2019 12:49pm

Just use mytaxi (or whatever it's called these days) and you'll have a taxi straight away. No point queuing at the rank.

MJohnston · 12-10-2019 1:06pm

I get the point of complaining about the rank for the purposes of tourists, but as said above, just download Free Now and book one to pick you up at the Zone 18 surface car park. Do it while you're going through customs or whatever and it'll be there by the time you're out. You don't even need to pay by card if you don't want to, but you can.

Blut2 · 12-10-2019 1:29pm

There aren't always cabs available on mytaxi, in my experience. Especially if arriving in around midnight. And plenty of people arrive back at the airport with no battery on their phone. Or are older people who don't use apps very well. Or are foreign tourists. Its not something that should be the first solution for arrivals.

I'm usually someone who defends the DAA and DUB a lot, but theres no reason the airport shouldn't have more taxis available at the ranks - its a pretty basic airport function.

MJohnston · 12-10-2019 3:22pm

Blut2 wrote: »

There aren't always cabs available on mytaxi, in my experience. Especially if arriving in around midnight. And plenty of people arrive back at the airport with no battery on their phone. Or are older people who don't use apps very well. Or are foreign tourists. Its not something that should be the first solution for arrivals.

I'm usually someone who defends the DAA and DUB a lot, but theres no reason the airport shouldn't have more taxis available at the ranks - its a pretty basic airport function.

You didn't actually read my post correctly

IngazZagni · 12-10-2019 3:45pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I get the point of complaining about the rank for the purposes of tourists, but as said above, just download Free Now and book one to pick you up at the Zone 18 surface car park. Do it while you're going through customs or whatever and it'll be there by the time you're out. You don't even need to pay by card if you don't want to, but you can.

You can but it doesnt always work and don't even think about putting a destination that's pretty close or no one will accept it.

Lots of tourists arriving for the weekend last night and the first experience they have of Ireland is waiting over half an hour for a taxi in the freezing cold. Elderly people struggling to stay standing as they wait.

Signage for zone 18 is not clear at all. Does it say anything about additional taxis over there? Not to my knowledge.

Irish Steve · 12-10-2019 4:10pm

When are people going to realise that DAA don't care at all about providing any facilities for arriving passengers, as they don't get any money from them or the airlines for providing services, so the limited rudimentary facilities that they do provide are the absolute minimum they can get away with.

Taxis are a nightmare, and there is even less in the way of facilities for people who make the mistake of using bus or coach services, the "shelters" are a joke, and there's nowhere that's actually warm and dry for passengers to wait for these services, and no display boards to show actual times and stops for services, so your only option is to search until you find out which stop is the right one, and then go to the correct stop ahead of the scheduled time and stand there until the bus eventually arrives, and on some routes, there is no guarantee that it will arrive, or be even close to on time.

We tried it a few times on the 109A, which in theory is a good service, but between delays and no shows, there's no pleasure in standing outside in a cold wet draughty shelter for sometimes over an hour, and with the unreliability, it's not safe to stay "inside", the chances are if you do, it will be there and gone before you get to the stop.

The BE on line mapping service, which should in theory show where the buses are, can't be used, as BE still, despite several requests, have not paid the Google licence fees to use the maps service, so none of that part of their site works, and that's the sort of mentality that pervades some of the state and semi state services these days, there is no customer focus at all.

Carawaystick · 12-10-2019 6:53pm

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Couple of pics posted on skyscrapercity earlier this week of the new runway, looks to be coming along well

Is the existing 10/28 going to get lengthened? the new one doesn't seem too much longer

Noxegon · 12-10-2019 8:49pm

Coming through T2 tonight, the blue customs channel was unstaffed.

There was a woman in front of me pushing a buggy and speaking something that wasn't English on a mobile phone. An officer practically ran over from green to tell her to turn her phone off. Having done so she was told she could continue.

I do appreciate that phones are not allowed during customs inspections, but when the channel is unstaffed why is it necessary to be so ridiculously petty? Very poor form IMHO.

tricky D · 12-10-2019 9:15pm

Suspect it is more to do with possible video recording than talking.

EchoIndia · 12-10-2019 9:24pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Is the existing 10/28 going to get lengthened? the new one doesn't seem too much longer

The new runway is about 470 metres or 1,550 feet longer than the present 10/28. I am not aware of any actual plan to lengthen the existing runway. The new one will be available in any case where the extra length is required for performance reasons.

goingnowhere · 12-10-2019 9:24pm

There is a clearly signed no mobile phones or cameras in the CBP, Irish Immigration and Customs areas.

Blue channel is NEVER staffed, the custom officers hang around the barrier between green and blue

L1011 · 12-10-2019 9:38pm

If you're going to be stopped in Blue, it'll be by someone coming over. I was stopped as the only person paying any attention at all and using Blue at a quiet time when there was an AMS flight and a flight from somewhere much further away in Europe in (Blue Air possibily) and everyone was going Green

Locker10a · 12-10-2019 11:39pm

Noxegon wrote: »

Coming through T2 tonight, the blue customs channel was unstaffed.

There was a woman in front of me pushing a buggy and speaking something that wasn't English on a mobile phone. An officer practically ran over from green to tell her to turn her phone off. Having done so she was told she could continue.

I do appreciate that phones are not allowed during customs inspections, but when the channel is unstaffed why is it necessary to be so ridiculously petty? Very poor form IMHO.

Sounds like someone doing their job tbh

The Rape of Lucretia · 13-10-2019 8:13am

Didnt realise there were still really channels tbh. I know the signs are there, but does anyone take notice of them or even know what they are about? Im not even sure what one should be declaring. I thought everyone just took the straightest line out without reference to channels.

Chris_5339762 · 13-10-2019 10:33am

I always go through the channel I'm supposed to. Depending on Brexit, this is one region where we'll have to be careful.

Tenzor07 · 13-10-2019 2:36pm

Only channel I dont' walk though leaving T1 at Dub airport is the red channel as it's blocked off..
Otherwise I walk through whichever channel... no one cares, and the customs officers I'm sure know who exactly they want to stop and why anyways..

trellheim · 13-10-2019 3:25pm

In relation to Taxis a 1700 arrival friday night was met by a T1 rank doubled round, and about 30-40 mins wait.

One of the problems with that rank is people arriving faster than the rank can process, there should be two parallel lines of taxis at least and a much closer holding bay than the kesh just as a temporary reservoir.

[ The IT analyst in me says that

1. OPS marking an aircraft on-stand assuming all going normal, add 25 minutes or whatever
2. 35% of a 737 will then be through baggage and will be looking for a taxi therefore release that many taxis from the kesh into a line 10 minutes in advance

25 mins
35%
10 mins in advance

all variables with machine learning so you can correct for peaks and patterns

offer cabs that participate in regular airport runs a discount on their airport permit .

( of course a far better answer is a two-stop high-speed train service to dublin city center but thats a little long term )

Kermit.de.frog · 14-10-2019 2:12pm

No passenger figures for DUB from last month?

Kermit.de.frog · 18-10-2019 8:14pm

Is there no figures for September?

Normally issued beginning of the following month??

Jamie2k9 · 19-10-2019 9:21am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is there no figures for September?

Normally issued beginning of the following month??

They will be issued either someone forgot or not prepared yet. Numbers should show growth when released.

EI321 · 20-10-2019 3:09pm

I wouldn't be shocked if Passenger numbers were actually down slightly, which may explain why the publicity loving DAA aren't releasing them.

Donegal Storm · 20-10-2019 3:40pm

I think we've definitely seen the end of the breakneck growth of the past few years. Up until 18 months ago it seemed like there were new route announcements every other week, that's dried up and we're going the other way with cutbacks and dropped routes.

IngazZagni · 20-10-2019 4:58pm

EI321 wrote: »

I wouldn't be shocked if Passenger numbers were actually down slightly, which may explain why the publicity loving DAA aren't releasing them.

You could be right. I've predicted a decline over the winter months but a decline in September would be surprising. It would explain the delay though. Trying to find the best way to spin the data?

It's not a Dublin thing though. Capacity across Europe has stalled due in part to the collapse of multiple airlines and financial issues at others as well as 737 Max delivery delays.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-10-2019 3:21pm

EI321 wrote: »

I wouldn't be shocked if Passenger numbers were actually down slightly, which may explain why the publicity loving DAA aren't releasing them.

That's my suspicion as well.

The figures must be somewhere even if they don't want to publicly acknowledge them?

Donegal Storm · 21-10-2019 6:35pm

The IAA and anna.aero publish stats though they're usually further behind daa's monthly press release. Bubbalo on the skyscrapercity aviation forum is probably the best source out there for stats though again he's usually a couple of months behind

21-10-2019 7:58pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's my suspicion as well.

The figures must be somewhere even if they don't want to publicly acknowledge them?

So conspiracy theories start just because they are late for one month. The daa aren’t going to cover up a fact. Why wouldn’t they want to publicly acknowledge a negative ? Also there is no reason that would suggest a negative by the way. Only Norwegian has stopped and Hainan numbers were terrible anyway.

Kev11491 · 22-10-2019 10:16am

"New September record as @DublinAirport welcomes 3 million passengers, a 4% inc on last year. Almost 25.5 million passengers have travelled in first nine months of the year & we have welcomed an extra 1.3 million passengers during that time."

I guess that answers that.

sparrowcar · 22-10-2019 1:22pm

Kev11491 wrote: »

"New September record as @DublinAirport welcomes 3 million passengers, a 4% inc on last year. Almost 25.5 million passengers have travelled in first nine months of the year & we have welcomed an extra 1.3 million passengers during that time."

I guess that answers that.

As per kev's post above.

Link below if anyone wants actual proof, some may need to remove their tin hats to read.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2019/10/22/new-september-record-as-dublin-airport-welcomes-3-million-passengers

lapua20grain · 23-10-2019 9:45pm

Took this yesterday the new runway is really taking shape.

IngazZagni · 23-10-2019 11:02pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

As per kev's post above.

Link below if anyone wants actual proof, some may need to remove their tin hats to read.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2019/10/22/new-september-record-as-dublin-airport-welcomes-3-million-passengers

This is a discussion forum and I’m glad to be wrong! Very good growth for Dublin. Keep in mind that a 4% increase now could the same as 9% rise less than a decade ago making it even more impressive.

I still think it will be a tough winter though.

Van.Bosch · 24-10-2019 12:04am

lapua20grain wrote: »

Took this yesterday the new runway is really taking shape.

Really clear where any future terminal should go from that image.

Elemonator · 24-10-2019 1:40am

Nice photo

Anyone know what the plans are for the other two runways? I’d imagine 16/34 will out of action for a little while when they finish the middle section of the new runway.

Is there likely to be an extension to the new runway, 10/28 and 16/34? I’d imagine as a layman that Dublin will grow exponentially and that there was a complaint that the new runway would need to be longer to accommodate fully loaded flights to the Far East. So imagine the same would hold true if Dublin found itself relying on 10/28 for maintenance or 16/34 if there was a crosswind? I seem to remember seeing a blueprint for Dublin from the 1960’s that envisaged two parallel 3,500m runways.

Hotblack Desiato · 24-10-2019 10:33am

New one is 10L/28R, existing is 10R/28L

There's room to extend 10R/28L but not sure if they'll bother. Doubt they'll be extending 16/34 tbh, they don't appear to own enough land and why bother when they have not one but two much longer runways? There was a plan for a while to do away with 16/34 once both parallel runways were in use, but they decided to keep it.

The location of a third terminal may be obvious but DAA don't own the land and the guys who do want to build their own terminal on it and are basically holding DAA to ransom

Image of the late 60s dual 3500m runways plan - this was posted on DAA's twitter a while back:

prunudo · 24-10-2019 10:50am

Just shows how slow we move with infrastructure in this country, nearly 60 years later and only coming to fruition. Also have no sympathy for people who live in the new flight plan given the length this has been planned and the fact there was a runway running in a similar path in previous years, albeit not recently.

Captain_Crash · 24-10-2019 10:55am

Honest question to anyone who can answer, but why don't the DAA apply for a CPO on the land? or has this been looked into in the past?

My understanding is that they can be sought if acquisition of the land its in the public's best interest? Granted, I studied law and should really know the answer myself but I'm drawing a blank!

Hotblack Desiato · 24-10-2019 10:56am

51 years ago, but yeah. At least they bought the land for the new runway even if it wouldn't be built for decades, pity they didn't do the same for the space between them. Would have been dirt cheap before those gold diggers got their hands on it.

prunudo · 24-10-2019 11:26am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

51 years ago, but yeah. At least they bought the land for the new runway even if it wouldn't be built for decades, pity they didn't do the same for the space between them. Would have been dirt cheap before those gold diggers got their hands on it.

Sorry, bad maths.

Idbatterim · 24-10-2019 11:34am

Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.

Elemonator · 24-10-2019 1:08pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

New one is 10L/28R, existing is 10R/28L

There's room to extend 10R/28L but not sure if they'll bother. Doubt they'll be extending 16/34 tbh, they don't appear to own enough land and why bother when they have not one but two much longer runways? There was a plan for a while to do away with 16/34 once both parallel runways were in use, but they decided to keep it.

The location of a third terminal may be obvious but DAA don't own the land and the guys who do want to build their own terminal on it and are basically holding DAA to ransom

Image of the late 60s dual 3500m runways plan - this was posted on DAA's twitter a while back:

Thanks for the information. Can I ask why they wouldn’t bother extending both runways? Say for example 10R/28L was the only runway in operation due to maintenance etc or is it a case that maintenance is scheduled overnight only? I would have thought there would be some plan for 16/34. As I understood it is used for late night landings due to the flight path over rural Dublin.

L1011 · 24-10-2019 1:08pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.

It's a bonkers idea that has basically never been done. There are land lease or public private partnership terminals but never a totally separate one demanding runway access

LXFlyer · 24-10-2019 1:19pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.

The satellite terminals that are in the DAA plans seem like a perfectly well thought out idea to me.

Have you actually sat down and read the detail of them?

Van.Bosch · 24-10-2019 1:48pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Far better off with a competing terminal. Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans than the daa ever would.

Is there any airport in the world where this has been done?

Blut2 · 24-10-2019 3:25pm

A competing private terminal is an absolutely insane idea. Can you imagine the duplication of resources, and the race-to-the-bottom in customer experience to cut costs, that would happen?

The land should be CPO'd (for a reasonable farmland, non-speculative, value) and given to the DAA for development. The larger DUB gets the better it is for Ireland as a country, and the DAA have already shown they can run/develop it very well.

24-10-2019 3:32pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Mcevaddy has for more ambitious plans.

Based on what ?

Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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