RSA ?? v ?? USA

efb · 07-10-2015 6:05pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.

Just because you get the ball doesn't give you a carte Blanche to clear out the man

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 6:09pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Habana/Scully incident handled well by the ref. His eyes were on the ball and he was bloody close to getting that ball. How are you supposed to compete for your own kick if you're given a yellow for that? Just because it's been given before doesn't mean it was the right call.

This game's not being played in a vacuum though - we've seen similar, and less dangerous, incidents in the past 12 months resulting yellow and red cards. This incident didn't even result in a penalty? To my mind the Habana challenge was identical to Jared Payne's red card for Ulster. Identical. One results in a red card. The other receives no sanction whatsoever, not even a penalty.

stadedublinois · 07-10-2015 6:09pm

Moflojo wrote: »

Good point. A lot of the refs in this world cup seem to be bowing to the opinion of the TMO, even if they can see it on the big screen themselves.

There appear to be only two referees that are confident enough to overrule the TMO and go with their own gut. One of those is Nigel Owens. The other, dare I say it, is Wayne Barnes (for better or worse).

In fairness, it was so tight the TMO was best placed to make the decision

efb · 07-10-2015 6:10pm

Moflojo wrote: »

Good point. A lot of the refs in this world cup seem to be bowing to the opinion of the TMO, even if they can see it on the big screen themselves.

There appear to be only two referees that are confident enough to overrule the TMO and go with their own gut. One of those is Nigel Owens. The other, dare I say it, is Wayne Barnes (for better or worse).

The TMO can see multi angles

RedemptionZ · 07-10-2015 6:10pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.

No room for that in rugby, disgusting attitude to have tbh. I've come across plenty of players like you, concussions or neck injuries are no joke. Luckily for players nowadays malicious plays like that are being clamped down on. You could get away with that kind carry on in a lower impact sport perhaps, but in rugby playing like that equals career ending injuries and concussions, for both you and the person at the receiving end.

wp_rathead · 07-10-2015 6:11pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Habana/Scully incident handled well by the ref. His eyes were on the ball and he was bloody close to getting that ball. How are you supposed to compete for your own kick if you're given a yellow for that? Just because it's been given before doesn't mean it was the right call.

It's just about consistency
I'm not one for conspiracy theories but If the jersey was swapped, Ive a feeling the American Habana would have been sent to the bin

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 6:11pm

stadedublinois wrote: »

In fairness, it was so tight the TMO was best placed to make the decision

Agreed, but the TMO didn't make a decision in the end, he made a non-decision:

"It was 50-50, very hard to call."

The ref then said "So there's no reason I cannot award the try?"

And then they both agreed to not make the call.

efb · 07-10-2015 6:13pm

Bored. Off to shop

stadedublinois · 07-10-2015 6:14pm

Moflojo wrote: »

Agreed, but the TMO didn't make a decision in the end, he made a non-decision:

"It was 50-50, very hard to call."

The ref then said "So there's no reason I cannot award the try?"

And then they both agreed to not make the call.

That's because the original question was is there any reason not to award the try.

efb · 07-10-2015 6:14pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

No room for that in rugby, disgusting attitude to have tbh. I've come across plenty of players like you, concussions or neck injuries are no joke. Luckily for players nowadays malicious plays like that are being clamped down on. You could get away with that kind carry on in a lower impact sport perhaps, but in rugby playing like that equals career ending injuries and concussions, for both you and the person at the receiving end.

Agreed, people's lives are at stake, paralysis or death isn't funny

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:14pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

No room for that in rugby, disgusting attitude to have tbh. I've come across plenty of players like you, concussions or neck injuries are no joke. Luckily for players nowadays malicious plays like that are being clamped down on. You could get away with that kind carry on in a lower impact sport perhaps, but in rugby playing like that equals career ending injuries and concussions, for both you and the person at the receiving end.

in fairness that pertained to soccer in particular. rugby is essentially man and ball all the time by definition.

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:17pm

is drew mitchell not up there in these try scoring stakes they keep mentioning?

wp_rathead · 07-10-2015 6:17pm

Bryan Habana equals Jonah Lomu try record
Great Player

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 6:17pm

stadedublinois wrote: »

That's because the original question was is there any reason not to award the try.

The ref also specifically asked if Habana was in front of the kicker. The TMO couldn't decide. Made a non-call.

AbusesToilets · 07-10-2015 6:18pm

When it rains, it pours. Sad to see the Eagles getting hammered, hope they can get a try at least.

efb · 07-10-2015 6:18pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

i dont understand this. i played fullback.
when a ball went up i wanted to catch the ball AND flatten the other guy.

its a contact sport.

You spoke here of your desire to intentionally impact your opponent

stadedublinois · 07-10-2015 6:18pm

Moflojo wrote: »

This game's not being played in a vacuum though - we've seen similar, and less dangerous, incidents in the past 12 months resulting yellow and red cards. This incident didn't even result in a penalty? To my mind the Habana challenge was identical to Jared Payne's red card for Ulster. Identical. One results in a red card. The other receives no sanction whatsoever, not even a penalty.

The difference with the Payne incident was that he was still running (barely slowing down) when he made contact.

sullivlo · 07-10-2015 6:20pm

wp_rathead wrote: »

Bryan Habana equals Jonah Lomu try record
Great Player

I really find him really difficult to like.

wp_rathead · 07-10-2015 6:20pm

Moflojo wrote: »

The ref also specifically asked if Habana was in front of the kicker. The TMO couldn't decide. Made a non-call.

If it's not clear and obvious I don't see the issue

efb · 07-10-2015 6:20pm

I love the ' contact sport ' carte Blanche defence - even mma has rules to protect the athletes

wp_rathead · 07-10-2015 6:21pm

sullivlo wrote: »

I really find him really difficult to like.

Agree but no denying he is a class player

efb · 07-10-2015 6:21pm

I think habana is great, reminds me of an actual springbok running

Jacovs · 07-10-2015 6:21pm

Interesting stat they mentioned earlier. Eben Etzebeth has not been the receiver in the line out even once all world cup.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 6:24pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

is drew mitchell not up there in these try scoring stakes they keep mentioning?

He's got 12, and is the only person up the list still playing.

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:24pm

efb wrote: »

You spoke here of your desire to intentionally impact your opponent

and? impact not injure.

sullivlo · 07-10-2015 6:26pm

wp_rathead wrote: »

Agree but no denying he is a class player

Oh yeah, no denying that at all. Superb player. I just don't like him.

CurryFlavoured · 07-10-2015 6:30pm

Jacovs wrote: »

Interesting stat they mentioned earlier. Eben Etzebeth has not been the receiver in the line out even once all world cup.

I've noticed he never receives on lineouts, kinda weird.

AbusesToilets · 07-10-2015 6:31pm

I look forward to the day when the US can give games like this a decent craic. Only 5-10 years down the road. In perpetuity....

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:32pm

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

I've noticed he never receives on lineouts, kinda weird.

he doesn't lift that many weights to catch lineouts. he just wants to hit rucks and cause damage!

efb · 07-10-2015 6:33pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

and? impact not injure.

Flatten him?

I'm taking all this with such a large pinch of salt

Stheno · 07-10-2015 6:35pm

sullivlo wrote: »

Oh yeah, no denying that at all. Superb player. I just don't like him.

Same here

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 6:36pm

sullivlo wrote: »

Oh yeah, no denying that at all. Superb player. I just don't like him.

His lack of a neck upsets me.

efb · 07-10-2015 6:36pm

What's not to like about Bryan Habana???

Beware the green eyed monster which doth mock the meat it feeds on...

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:36pm

efb wrote: »

Flatten him?

yeah. come on . you are being pedantic now.

go through him, put him on his arse, bowl him over, flatten him.

not dirty. but physical wink wink.

like when a goalie in soccer comes to punch the ball away and leaves the striker and the odd defender flat out on the ground. "clean house"

efb · 07-10-2015 6:38pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

yeah. come on . you are being pedantic now.

go through him, put him on his arse, bowl him over, flatten him.

not dirty. but physical wink wink.

like when a goalie in soccer comes to punch the ball away and leaves the striker and the odd defender flat out on the ground. "clean house"

Wink wink?

You don't think flattening an opponent while contesting an Ariel challenge isn't dangerous? What's your mass?

efb · 07-10-2015 6:39pm

I'm not being pedantic your changing your story and backtracking

CurryFlavoured · 07-10-2015 6:40pm

Clearly dropped that.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 6:40pm

That's not a try. He lost it!

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 6:40pm

How has the TMO given that try at the end? Farcical.

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:41pm

efb wrote: »

I'm not being pedantic your changing your story and backtracking

im 80 kgs. a whippet.

im not back tracking. i am not denying that when i go up to catch a ball i want to flatten anyone near me. its either that or be flattened myself.
what I'm saying is it isn't dirty.

wp_rathead · 07-10-2015 6:41pm

Surely a knock on at end?
I know doesn't matter but still..

tanko · 07-10-2015 6:41pm

The standard of the TMO's in this World Cup is a joke. How could he give a try there?

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 6:45pm

tanko wrote: »

The standard of the TMO's in this World Cup is a joke. How could he give a try there?

But did the referee also see it on the big screen and defer to the TMO's decision? I'm raking up an earlier point here, but the referees are bowing to the TMO and not trusting their own eyes or instincts.

Pudsy33 · 07-10-2015 6:50pm

First proper hammering of the World cup really.

efb · 07-10-2015 6:51pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

im 80 kgs. a whippet.

im not back tracking. i am not denying that when i go up to catch a ball i want to flatten anyone near me. its either that or be flattened myself.
what I'm saying is it isn't dirty.

Going up with the intention to flatten someone is dirty - it's intentional foul play

crisco10 · 07-10-2015 6:56pm

Moflojo wrote: »

But did the referee also see it on the big screen and defer to the TMO's decision? I'm raking up an earlier point here, but the referees are bowing to the TMO and not trusting their own eyes or instincts.

Think that one was fumbled flat or back tho. Which is another pet peeve of mine. A fumble doesn't necessarily mean that there was a knock on...but refs/tmos never make that distinction.

tanko · 07-10-2015 7:03pm

Moflojo wrote: »

But did the referee also see it on the big screen and defer to the TMO's decision? I'm raking up an earlier point here, but the referees are bowing to the TMO and not trusting their own eyes or instincts.

The ref gave the try and only referred it to the TMO when he saw the replay on the big screen and heard the crowd booing. The ref asked the TMO was it a try and I think the TMO replied there's no doubt it's a try. Just as well it didn't matter.
There's too much crap going on between refs and TMO's in this tournament. I reckon it's going to cause serious trouble yet.

Jacovs · 07-10-2015 7:08pm

Pudsy33 wrote: »

First proper hammering of the World cup really.

Aus 65 - 3 Uruguay

The quarter finals are beginning to take shape now.

What do people do when they bought tickets for example Q1 thinking their team would be playing there, but then end up playing Q2 instead?

Like if Ireland lose to France, but people thought they were going to be playing in the Arg QF, just go to the France-Arg QF instead? Or buy tickets to both games and sell off the one you dont need?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 7:17pm

Jacovs wrote: »

Aus 65 - 3 Uruguay

The quarter finals are beginning to take shape now.

What do people do when they bought tickets for example Q1 thinking their team would be playing there, but then end up playing Q2 instead?

Like if Ireland lose to France, but people thought they were going to be playing in the Arg QF, just go to the France-Arg QF instead? Or buy tickets to both games and sell off the one you dont need?

I assume people would be in the same situation for the opposite QFs and they could probably do swapsies. Social Media is usually good for that kind of thing.

pickarooney · 07-10-2015 7:21pm

First nil of the WC. Kind of sad, I hate seeing a team get absolutely nothing for their efforts.

Then again, they didn't put out a strong team.

RSA ?? v ?? USA

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