"guns" seized.

Grizzly 45 · 23-04-2020 12:33am

Where did they store it???In a lake???:eek:

civdef · 23-04-2020 1:40am

Good eyes folks. Whoever cut that stock had a poor understanding of ergonomics, like said above, they kick bad enough with a full stock - I shudder to think what the break action lever would do to the hand of anyone pulling the trigger.

OK, how about this beauty?

https://www.limerickpost.ie/2018/05/24/breaking-sawn-off-shot-gun-seized-in-limerick/

Edit: Fixed broken link

Uinseann_16 · 23-04-2020 1:58am

Cant see it:P

civdef · 23-04-2020 9:31am

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Cant see it:P

Fixed

Max H · 23-04-2020 9:40am

Beretta A400 Light ?

Grizzly 45 · 23-04-2020 12:08pm

civdef wrote: »

OK, how about this beauty?

https://www.limerickpost.ie/2018/05/24/breaking-sawn-off-shot-gun-seized-in-limerick/

Edit: Fixed broken link

Anyone notice the buttstock is on upside down??:P It's in the same condition as my stolen Winchester 1300 was years ago.They must store all these guns in the Shannon and have zero clue about waterproofing.
One thing tho that is intresting,all that ammo is very fresh looking.

Uinseann_16 · 23-04-2020 1:47pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Anyone notice the buttstock is on upside down??:P It's in the same condition as my stolen Winchester 1300 was years ago.They must store all these guns in the Shannon and have zero clue about waterproofing.
One thing tho that is intresting,all that ammo is very fresh looking.

My guess is they're burying them, simple put it in a few rags and stick it in the ground job

Uinseann_16 · 23-04-2020 1:56pm

Apparently he got lost on his way to the american civil war reenacting

DominickStreetfirearmseizureSep2019b_large.jpg?width=600&s=bn-950462

Though this is a tad more modern

DominickStreetfirearmseizureSep2019_large.jpg?width=600&s=bn-950462

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-make-two-arrests-after-officers-find-guns-and-drugs-in-dublin-raid-950462.html

Nekarsulm · 23-04-2020 2:37pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Anyone notice the buttstock is on upside down??:P It's in the same condition as my stolen Winchester 1300 was years ago.They must store all these guns in the Shannon and have zero clue about waterproofing.
One thing tho that is intresting,all that ammo is very fresh looking.

Do you think it was recovered with the stock fitted that way, or was it found with the stock separate, and for the sake of the photo some Guard arranged it that way?
( speaks volumes if he/she didn't know which way to put it together!)
Would the stock bolt even line up, with the stock "upside down"?

cookimonster · 23-04-2020 3:20pm

civdef wrote: »

Good eyes folks. Whoever cut that stock had a poor understanding of ergonomics, like said above, they kick bad enough with a full stock......

Just for laff's.....

tudderone · 23-04-2020 9:35pm

cookimonster wrote: »

Just for laff's.....

Right, you've fired the thing, how do you recock it

?

BattleCorp · 23-04-2020 9:42pm

cookimonster wrote: »

Just for laff's.....

What's the range on that yoke, about 2 ft?

tudderone · 23-04-2020 10:50pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

What's the range on that yoke, about 2 ft?

If you're a good shot, you could hit a lad the far side of a phone box

Grizzly 45 · 24-04-2020 12:45am

It actually exists as a Class 3 weapon in the US.

Grizzly 45 · 24-04-2020 12:55am

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmyxRiv2EbM

Limerick Sovereigns · 11-06-2020 10:05pm

A familiar target pistol mis-used in this murder unfortunately.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/gun-found-in-derry-was-used-to-kill-lyra-mckee-psni-confirm-1.4276849

Uinseann_16 · 11-06-2020 10:51pm

Funny ive a specific memory of a news agency saying it was a 9mm?

tudderone · 11-06-2020 11:04pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Funny ive a specific memory of a news agency saying it was a 9mm?

Yeah, a .22 9mm.

extremetaz · 12-06-2020 10:39am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmyxRiv2EbM

I did not expect to watch both of those.

Utter madness.

Grizzly 45 · 12-06-2020 12:49pm

Limerick Sovereigns wrote: »

A familiar target pistol mis-used in this murder unfortunately.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/gun-found-in-derry-was-used-to-kill-lyra-mckee-psni-confirm-1.4276849

Robbed out of a gunshop on the border possibly in the oughties if I remember correctly? Goes to show that even a .22 with solid target loads will do you if it hits you in the right place.:(:(

tudderone · 12-06-2020 5:48pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Robbed out of a gunshop on the border possibly in the oughties if I remember correctly? Goes to show that even a .22 with solid target loads will do you if it hits you in the right place.:(:(

Don't Mossad use .22's for hits ?

Limerick Sovereigns · 12-06-2020 6:21pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Robbed out of a gunshop on the border possibly in the oughties if I remember correctly? Goes to show that even a .22 with solid target loads will do you if it hits you in the right place.:(:(

What side of the border? Any links to news reports? Thanks.

Grizzly 45 · 12-06-2020 8:39pm

You'll have to go back and look in the early to mid Oughties onwards to 2010.Was in that time frame.Think it was this side of the border and mentioned as a ".22 target pistol" in one article.I could be totally wrong too of course,and it was another type stolen too.

Grizzly 45 · 12-06-2020 8:52pm

tudderone wrote: »

Don't Mossad use .22's for hits ?

Yup,but moved more to Breatta .25 cals in later stages for air marshals.They used,and still use anything they can get their hands on thats deniable and available in country.
They have [.22] been used by OSS& SIS in WW2,MACV /SOG in Vietnam,Various SWAT teams in the US for dog disposal, and criminals and hitmen everywhere for hits and surprisingly were issued as a PDW weapon to female UDR personel in NI during the troubles the so called "green finches"were issued Walther PPK.22s.

tudderone · 12-06-2020 9:53pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yup,but moved more to Breatta .25 cals in later stages for air marshals.They used,and still use anything they can get their hands on thats deniable and available in country.
They have [.22] been used by OSS& SIS in WW2,MACV /SOG in Vietnam,Various SWAT teams in the US for dog disposal, and criminals and hitmen everywhere for hits and surprisingly were issued as a PDW weapon to female UDR personel in NI during the troubles the so called "green finches"were issued Walther PPK.22s.

I remember what Jeff Cooper said about the .25 acp. "It might be good for clearing your sinuses, but thats about it". I really would not like to be putting my life on the line with one of those in my hand.

Grizzly 45 · 13-06-2020 1:31am

They are a handy little backup gun or ladies gun, One of my German aunts used to have a Browning baby .25 ACP,and she was leathl with that thing on clay piegon sized targts at 10 meters ,considering that those guns have no sights worth mentioning and are literally phone booth or body contact range. I still wouldnt like to get hit by one all the same....Wonder where that little gun ended up when she died...

civdef · 02-03-2021 1:15am

What do we see here folks?

tomtucker81 · 02-03-2021 1:18pm

civdef wrote: »

What do we see here folks?

Is that a Rak machine pistol?

otmmyboy2 · 02-03-2021 1:36pm

tomtucker81 wrote: »

Is that a Rak machine pistol?

Looks like it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_PM-63

Along with a black Zoraki 918 blank firer, and what look like a Rohm/Zoraki chromed .380 blank firing revolver.

Grizzly 45 · 02-03-2021 2:45pm

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

L
Along with a black Zoraki 918 blank firer, and what look like a Rohm/Zoraki chromed .380 blank firing revolver.

One design built specifically for easy conversion to live fire.Good for keyholing .380 rounds at 10 meters.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x43y2u3

tudderone · 02-03-2021 3:06pm

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Looks like it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_PM-63

Along with a black Zoraki 918 blank firer, and what look like a Rohm/Zoraki chromed .380 blank firing revolver.

Rohm make complete cack. Someone in the club had a .22 revolver by them and i wouldn't waste the energy throwing it in the river.

Uinseann_16 · 02-03-2021 3:32pm

What appears to be a polish pm63, something that turns up here fairly regularly for some reason

Grizzly 45 · 02-03-2021 9:37pm

tudderone wrote: »

Rohm make complete cack. Someone in the club had a .22 revolver by them and i wouldn't waste the energy throwing it in the river.

Probably because like Umarex, they make mostly blank firing stuff, but without the licensed brand names.TBH their blank firing guns aren't bad if you have a vintage model[pre 90s]. Their live firing stuff,I'd definitely skip too.

Grizzly 45 · 02-03-2021 9:39pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

What appears to be a polish pm63, something that turns up here fairly regularly for some reason

Strange how our "tough gun laws" seem to let that happen ?

tudderone · 02-03-2021 10:59pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

What appears to be a polish pm63, something that turns up here fairly regularly for some reason

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9317663/Police-seize-two-Scorpion-MACHINE-GUNS-40-bullets-arresting-teenager-Tube-station.html

BattleCorp · 02-03-2021 11:03pm

tudderone wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9317663/Police-seize-two-Scorpion-MACHINE-GUNS-40-bullets-arresting-teenager-Tube-station.html

Top class non-sensationalist journalism. Capable of firing 1150 rounds per minute. Must be a fairly big mag or speed of light mag changes.

tudderone · 02-03-2021 11:08pm

Grizzly 45 · 02-03-2021 11:12pm

It is capable of 1000 rpm,but has a governor in the pisto gripl to bring it down to a "manageable " 850 rpm. Always wondered how do you calculate the rpm of a firearm??

tudderone · 02-03-2021 11:12pm

"Thats a pretty atrocious gun".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqiNnfi2Z3A

BattleCorp · 02-03-2021 11:15pm

tudderone wrote: »

"Thats a pretty atrocious gun".

Holy Jaysus. I know I'd love a fully auto if I was allowed but I also like my face so that's a no from me.

tomtucker81 · 03-03-2021 1:03am

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

What appears to be a polish pm63, something that turns up here fairly regularly for some reason

They were designed in soviet era Poland. Ended up in use by many communist states/armies in various wars. Arab states too V Israel. Their popularity over here stems from the rate of fire and ability to conceal for anyone that was interested in guerilla war tactics in the 70s and 80s, more modernly drug gangs. Their spray and pray style and numbers made and where they were used makes them relatively cheap for anyone motivated to acquire one.

A hideous firearm, mostly going to appear in the hands of mal-intended drug fuelled person here nowadays.

Uinseann_16 · 03-03-2021 2:09am

tomtucker81 wrote: »

They were designed in soviet era Poland. Ended up in use by many communist states/armies in various wars. Arab states too V Israel. Their popularity over here stems from the rate of fire and ability to conceal for anyone that was interested in guerilla war tactics in the 70s and 80s, more modernly drug gangs. Their spray and pray style and numbers made and where they were used makes them relatively cheap for anyone motivated to acquire one.

A hideous firearm, mostly going to appear in the hands of mal-intended drug fuelled person here nowadays.

No I doubt it's because of rate of fire etc , simple fact of the matter is criminals get what they can , and it's not a 9x19 it's a 9x18 so that's harder to find than standard 9x19
I'm assuming some were squirreled away during the fall of the Soviet Union and then sold on for profit

tomtucker81 · 03-03-2021 2:21am

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

No I doubt it's because of rate of fire etc , simple fact of the matter is criminals get what they can , and it's not a 9x19 it's a 9x18 so that's harder to find than standard 9x19
I'm assuming some were squirreled away during the fall of the Soviet Union and then sold on for profit

And I'm sure all that were here in the 70s and 80s were decommissioned ðŸ€”

Grizzly 45 · 03-03-2021 1:26pm

There iS a semi-auto version available too.
Which has a tendency thru "bad engineering of parts" to go occasionally, absolutely, unintentionally,100% accidentally to full auto;) according to my Polish sources.
https://www.pioneer-pac.com/pm63-c,prp1,5,2

otmmyboy2 · 03-03-2021 2:21pm

I've had the opportunity to play around with a PM-63 in the past, and honestly it is not a comfortable firearm.

Quite heavy for it's size, stock feel was pretty dire when extended and just felt like a lump when folded.

Recoil wasn't bad(9x18 from a lump of steel, shocker there), and quite controllable too.

For it's intended purpose it is a decent firearm, but I wouldn't be trying to get a semi one for target shooting unless you wanted a cheap plinker.

Upside - cheap as chips to buy, spare parts are are readily available, and cheap to shoot assuming you can get a steady source of 9x18, or pay through the nose for the much rarer 9x19

civdef · 03-03-2021 8:15pm

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Looks like it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_PM-63

Along with a black Zoraki 918 blank firer, and what look like a Rohm/Zoraki chromed .380 blank firing revolver.

I agree on the RAK and the 918 - reckon the revolver could be a Ruger SP101 though because of the cylinder release -

tudderone · 03-03-2021 8:24pm

civdef wrote: »

I agree on the RAK and the 918 - reckon the revolver could be a Ruger SP101 though because of the cylinder release -

Ruger make good stuff. I wonder will they get Marlin back in good order now that they have bought them ?

civdef · 18-04-2021 9:43pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2021/0418/1210602-gun-ammunition-drugs/

So someone was really trying to raise the standard of illegal firearms in Ireland...

That one probably has an interesting provenance.

Rosahane · 18-04-2021 9:57pm

civdef wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2021/0418/1210602-gun-ammunition-drugs/

So someone was really trying to raise the standard of illegal firearms in Ireland...

That one probably has an interesting provenance.

It looks like it has a mag loaded and it’s certainly cocked! I wonder when they took the photo?

Feisar · 18-04-2021 10:03pm

Wow! I think I said it before but sometimes ya see something and would love to know it’s story.
For example I picked up a really old Puma White Hunter on time, would love to have known it’s story.

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