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Porthallian · 09-07-2020 2:14pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

I think you'll find he's 2% African, which makes it ok for him to say that word!

The real Nigerian Nightmare

cletus · 09-07-2020 2:28pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Disgusting behaviour, shows mental health issues.
The physical and verbal abuse needs to be punished, trained fighters like him who allow themselves to become out of control like that should receive hefy punishments.

Or maybe he's just a drunk asshole

Mellor · 09-07-2020 2:31pm

Esse85 wrote: »

trained fighters like him who allow themselves to become out of control like that should receive hefy punishments.

I don’t see why being trained is relevant.
Somebody untrained behaving like that is equally at fault. It’s assault regardless of what sport you take part in.

Ush1 · 09-07-2020 2:34pm

Mellor wrote: »

I don’t see why being trained is relevant.
Somebody untrained behaving like that is equally at fault. It’s assault regardless of what sport you take part in.

I'd imagine a judge seeing he is a professional fighter would consider that an aggravating rather than mitigating circumstance.

mailburner · 09-07-2020 2:49pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Won't affect his career at all. The UFC and MMA in general is full of wife beating scumbags and lads who gets in fights in public a lot.

This is true but this is a bit more public

It may not matter at all I guess, will only be a matter of time before he does something worse anyway

mailburner · 09-07-2020 2:51pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Would be some craic if it ended his career, given that McGregor belting the oul fella in the bar was far worse.

was only a slap in comparison, he could have done
a lot more damage had he wanted but still showed his true character there.
The aul fella barely reacted

yourdeadwright · 09-07-2020 3:02pm

Perry has always come across as unstable,
Its no wonder he doesn't have a trainer , he is a total lose cannon ,
Seems to have the personality where its probably best he stays away from Booze,

Alf Veedersane · 09-07-2020 4:02pm

Mellor wrote: »

It may be, depends on context. But I don’t see the relevance here. He’s white.

I was joking.

Mellor · 09-07-2020 4:26pm

Ush1 wrote: »

I'd imagine a judge seeing he is a professional fighter would consider that an aggravating rather than mitigating circumstance.

I’m sure somebody has successfully argued similar in court. Certainly in media it’s painted that way. But legally it’s all assault.
I can’t see why somebody untrained doing it should be view as less serious.

I doubt anything will come of it. Perry’s not a big enough name to make mainstream waves. And within MNA media, people won’t be surprised.

Whelo79 · 09-07-2020 4:30pm

I seen Ben Askren on with Ariel yesterday saying he knows for a fact that Colby Covington has turned down a fight with Tyron Woodley at least 6 times.

eagle eye · 09-07-2020 5:42pm

Homelander wrote:

Don't think it's a a career ender at all. Obviously he was acting like a total tool, but the older fat lad was clearly antagonizing him, mocks Perry's claim that he'll knock him out, and then actually rushes him leading to the punch.
Again, paints Perry in a terrible light (which is fair, he's really not a nice guy), but not sure he'll be in too much trouble over it.

Where have you been for the last couple of months? He didn't just get in a fight, he used the N word multiple times. Career over.

US2 · 09-07-2020 6:32pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Where have you been for the last couple of months? He didn't just get in a fight, he used the N word multiple times. Career over.

Hes been saying nigga all his life, he's from the hood. Im sure he calls hes black friends nigga too. This will have no affect on his career

xtal191 · 09-07-2020 6:33pm

Was he hitting his girlfriend?

Alf Veedersane · 09-07-2020 7:06pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

I seen Ben Askren on with Ariel yesterday saying he knows for a fact that Colby Covington has turned down a fight with Tyron Woodley at least 6 times.

As an aside, I had to laugh that while he thought it was shítty of Masvidal to him him after the knee, he thought the 'super necessary' line was funny. Credit where its due

Gamb!t · 09-07-2020 7:42pm

Maybe he was just p!ssed that girl ate his fries

MrStuffins · 10-07-2020 12:58am

eagle eye wrote: »

Where have you been for the last couple of months? He didn't just get in a fight, he used the N word multiple times. Career over.

For saying the N Word?

It's not as if he was brandishing it like some sort of racial slur aimed directly at a black person in order to insult them. He was saying it because he's an idiot who thinks he's some sort of gangsta character from a movie. He comes from.a "street" background and thinks he can throw it around like it's thrown around by the black community. Completely different to the first scenario. I'm not even sure the people he was saying it to were black.

Despite what the internet might try lead people to believe, context exists no matter what the word. Which is why my mates don't punch me every time I call one a "mad c*nt" or whatever.

What are they gonna do? Cancel Mike.Perry?

EagererBeaver · 10-07-2020 1:04am

You have to be "something to someone" to get cancelled. Mike Perry is nothing to anyone. Distinctly average fighter who would be no loss to UFC or MMA. Complete tool and always has been.

eagle eye · 10-07-2020 3:03am

MrStuffins wrote:

What are they gonna do? Cancel Mike.Perry?

You use the n word in the USA at this moment in time and you are gone.
A NASCAR driver used it with his mic accidentally open during an online race and lost his job. He wasn't directing it at a black person when he said it but that didn't matter.

EagererBeaver wrote:

You have to be "something to someone" to get cancelled. Mike Perry is nothing to anyone. Distinctly average fighter who would be no loss to UFC or MMA. Complete tool and always has been.

This makes it so much easier to dump home. It'll happen, sponsors will demand it. Disney will demand it, all about their image and not being seen to have any acceptance of it.

cletus · 10-07-2020 7:54am

https://www.mmafighting.com/2020/7/9/21319504/ufc-will-not-offer-mike-perry-fight-until-re-evaluating-his-situation-seeking-professional-treatment

Essentially, keep his head down till it blows over

Esse85 · 10-07-2020 9:14am

Mellor wrote: »

I don’t see why being trained is relevant.
Somebody untrained behaving like that is equally at fault. It’s assault regardless of what sport you take part in.

It's completely relevant due to the damage they can inflict.

cletus · 10-07-2020 9:38am

Esse85 wrote: »

It's completely relevant due to the damage they can inflict.

There's nothing in law that I'm aware of that says assault by a trained fighter is more egregious than assault by a non trained person

EagererBeaver · 10-07-2020 10:11am

cletus wrote: »

There's nothing in law that I'm aware of that says assault by a trained fighter is more egregious than assault by a non trained person

I can't speak for the actual law, but as a fan of Con Air, I'd argue otherwise.

Tazzimus · 10-07-2020 10:26am

Esse85 wrote: »

It's completely relevant due to the damage they can inflict.

As opposed to a non trained person?
Both can inflict equal amounts of damage

eagle eye · 10-07-2020 11:13am

cletus wrote:

There's nothing in law that I'm aware of that says assault by a trained fighter is more egregious than assault by a non trained person

Well in Texas you have these lines in their law as well regards deadly weapons,

(A) a firearm or anything manifestly designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting death or serious bodily injury; or

(B) anything that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury.

So, and it's happened with an MMA fighter there by the name of Jamal Parks, a trained fighter can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon if he uses any part of his body which he is trained to use professionally as a weapon.
Each US state has different laws but this happened in Texas so it's possible he gets charged with Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

MrStuffins · 10-07-2020 11:18am

eagle eye wrote: »

Well in Texas you have these lines in their law as well regards deadly weapons,

(A) a firearm or anything manifestly designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting death or serious bodily injury; or

(B) anything that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury.

So, and it's happened with an MMA fighter there by the name of Jamal Parks, a trained fighter can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon if he uses any part of his body which he is trained to use professionally as a weapon.
Each US state has different laws but this happened in Texas so it's possible he gets charged with Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Happened with my Uncle Tony as well when I was about 8. His hands were considered "Deadly Weapons".

He got convicted but escaped prison.

Went on to train Van Damme for his movies and invented that move where you walk away from something as it explodes behind you.

Alf Veedersane · 10-07-2020 11:24am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Happened with my Uncle Tony as well when I was about 8. His hands were considered "Deadly Weapons".

He got convicted but escaped prison.

Went on to train Van Damme for his movies and invented that move where you walk away from something as it explodes behind you.

That move peaked in Con Air. Perfection.

It is a good move to be fair.

Tazzimus · 10-07-2020 11:28am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

That move peaked in Con Air. Perfection.

It is a good move to be fair.

Why couldn't you put the bunny back in the box.

Great cast in that movie

MrStuffins · 10-07-2020 11:37am

I, for one, would like to thank Mike Perry for coming into our lives and ensuring that I spend my Friday night watching Con Air!

cletus · 10-07-2020 11:38am

eagle eye wrote: »

Well in Texas you have these lines in their law as well regards deadly weapons,

(A) a firearm or anything manifestly designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting death or serious bodily injury; or

(B) anything that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury.

So, and it's happened with an MMA fighter there by the name of Jamal Parks, a trained fighter can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon if he uses any part of his body which he is trained to use professionally as a weapon.
Each US state has different laws but this happened in Texas so it's possible he gets charged with Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Have you got a link for that? A quick Google search shows up a number of references to Jamal Parks as an MMA fighter, but no reference to arrest of being charged with anything relating to him being a deadly weapon, and one article in the Chicago Tribune about the death of a Jamal Parks in a shoot out with police officers, but no mention of MMA. There is a list of prior offences for this Jamal Parks, but again nothing about him being a deadly weapon

Zero-Cool · 10-07-2020 12:21pm

Nice!

https://twitter.com/UFCEurope/status/1281543692306661377?s=19

EagererBeaver · 10-07-2020 12:30pm

Not quite the Nike or Under Armour that was being talked about.

Zero-Cool · 10-07-2020 12:33pm

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Not quite the Nike or Under Armour that was being talked about.

I think will lead to nicer gear /more customisation and the statement says the fighters get an increase of the cut but who knows how it will play out. But yeah, seems like a backstep brand wise. Maybe the bigger brands saw how much everyone hated reebok from it.

callaway92 · 10-07-2020 12:43pm

Seems like a backstep but Venum are well respected in MMA in fairness.

riffmongous · 10-07-2020 12:50pm

cletus wrote: »

Have you got a link for that? A quick Google search shows up a number of references to Jamal Parks as an MMA fighter, but no reference to arrest of being charged with anything relating to him being a deadly weapon, and one article in the Chicago Tribune about the death of a Jamal Parks in a shoot out with police officers, but no mention of MMA. There is a list of prior offences for this Jamal Parks, but again nothing about him being a deadly weapon

Search for Jamaul Edward Parks, Texas. It's not really the same situation though as this was him going mental on some guy and the cops afterwards

riffmongous · 10-07-2020 12:51pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

I, for one, would like to thank Mike Perry for coming into our lives and ensuring that I spend my Friday night watching Con Air!

Last time I saw it I thought it had aged really badly

eagle eye · 10-07-2020 1:19pm

cletus wrote:

Have you got a link for that? A quick Google search shows up a number of references to Jamal Parks as an MMA fighter, but no reference to arrest of being charged with anything relating to him being a deadly weapon, and one article in the Chicago Tribune about the death of a Jamal Parks in a shoot out with police officers, but no mention of MMA. There is a list of prior offences for this Jamal Parks, but again nothing about him being a deadly weapon

I can't provide links on this app but I can tell you he was charged with aggravated assault.

Mellor · 10-07-2020 1:26pm

Esse85 wrote: »

It's completely relevant due to the damage they can inflict.

Is it more acceptable for somebody who is untrained to sucker punch a stranger? It’s not imo.

I understand your logic. But I just can’t agree that being untrained makes in any more acceptable.

cletus · 10-07-2020 1:29pm

https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/second-court-of-appeals/2017/02-15-00420-cr.html

Here is the case, I presume.

He may well have been charged with aggravated assault, but that has nothing to do with him being a "deadly weapon".

MMA is mentioned once, as his occupation.

There is no mention whatsoever of his assault being any more egregious, or wrong, or illegal due to his training.

Mellor · 10-07-2020 1:52pm

eagle eye wrote: »

(A) a firearm or anything manifestly designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting death or serious bodily injury; or

(B) anything that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury

I don't think either of those applies to simply being a martial artists

So, and it's happened with an MMA fighter there by the name of Jamal Parks, a trained fighter can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon if he uses any part of his body which he is trained to use professionally as a weapon.

This is stuff out of movies.
Steven Seagal or Van DAmme having to register their hands as deadly weapons, it's not real.

cletus wrote: »

He may well have been charged with aggravated assault, but that has nothing to do with him being a "deadly weapon".

He pulled out a machete during the assault, :rolleyes:

Alf Veedersane · 10-07-2020 2:13pm

US2 · 11-07-2020 2:32pm

Wow 5 years already. Probably the best night of my life, big house party all my friends, the excitement was unreal.

https://twitter.com/SandhuMMA/status/1281924762399383552?s=19

MidlanderMan · 11-07-2020 3:06pm

Rory has never been the same. Robbie broke something in him that night.

US2 · 11-07-2020 3:55pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Rory has never been the same. Robbie broke something in him that night.

And Robbie had a similar war 6 months later with condit what an animal

Beersmith · 11-07-2020 4:46pm

I watched that fight live and watched it a second time a few months ago. It wasn't that great of a fight looking back at it. Lots of it was very litte action. Anyone else feel the same, was very surprised myself!

eagle eye · 11-07-2020 6:38pm

Mellor wrote:

This is stuff out of movies. Steven Seagal or Van DAmme having to register their hands as deadly weapons, it's not real.

I never said people had to register themselves. As part of that case his hands were considered as weapons. It was used in the pre-trial stage as the reason to make it aggravated assault.

cletus · 11-07-2020 7:11pm

https://www.texastribune.org/library/data/texas-prisons/inmates/jamual-edward-parks/1173634/

The deadly weapon listed on his aggravated assault charge is a machete, as stated in the previous blink I posted. No mention of his hands, martial arts etc

EagererBeaver · 11-07-2020 7:27pm

US2 wrote: »

Wow 5 years already. Probably the best night of my life, big house party all my friends, the excitement was unreal.

Really?!

DrPhilG · 11-07-2020 10:40pm

Damn, that long?

Epic night.

derfderf · 12-07-2020 2:02am

Beersmith wrote: »

I watched that fight live and watched it a second time a few months ago. It wasn't that great of a fight looking back at it. Lots of it was very litte action. Anyone else feel the same, was very surprised myself!

It was a slow enough starter. I watched it in a fairly empty pub in Australia. I was messing on my phone and missed some of it.

Mellor · 12-07-2020 5:15am

eagle eye wrote: »

I never said people had to register themselves. As part of that case his hands were considered as weapons. It was used in the pre-trial stage as the reason to make it aggravated assault.

Somebody untrained can commit aggravated assault with their hands.
The fact he was charged with aggravated assault had nothing to do with being trained.

Regardless, the guy you mentioned had a machete.

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