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I want to build an electric cafe racer how do I register it?

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    #62
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Deffo...buy an english bike...convert it and go back over with it....probably easier and cheaper in the long run....maybe start selling them...;)


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    #63
    goblin59
    Registered Users Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭goblin59


    I've a friend in Northern Ireland doing a custom build at the moment.
    definitely easier to do.

    Given Brexit, it might not be the easier route after the next year.
    Also if you're not resident in the UK they may not want to deal with you.
    I had a headache dealing with the DVLA before, they didn't want to talk to me as i wasn't in the UK.


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    #64
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    goblin59 wrote: »
    I've a friend in Northern Ireland doing a custom build at the moment.
    definitely easier to do.

    Given Brexit, it might not be the easier route after the next year.
    Also if you're not resident in the UK they may not want to deal with you.
    I had a headache dealing with the DVLA before, they didn't want to talk to me as i wasn't in the UK.
    We're foreigners now...........:D


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    #65
    goblin59
    Registered Users Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Max Headroom wrote: »
    We're foreigners now...........:D

    haha be glad of it xD imagine needing a visa permit and vehicle green card for each country in the EU when doing trips.


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    #66
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    yeah exactly, still tho there should be some test for us to do yeno so if what we build is genuinely good and safe , that we can ride it


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    #67
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    hahah stop man , its genuinely so difficult to get anything done with them


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    #68
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    yeah they arent afraid to help you find the information (unlike others). I mean I see no problem with it as long as you go trough a stringent test to assure safety


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    #69
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    imagine ahah doing a hobby project and end up start selling motorbikes


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    #70
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    yeah I think ive come up with the idea a bit too late :(


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    #71
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    hahahahha :)


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    #72
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    goblin59 wrote: »
    haha be glad of it xD imagine needing a visa permit and vehicle green card for each country in the EU when doing trips.

    hahahahha


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    #73
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    I am genuinely surprised at all the interest in this and the great discussions ive had so far , Thanks guys...........who knows what will come in the future..........How Cheeky would it be to try fund a medium production motorcycle :P Gofund me anyone??? ahahha jokes


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    #74
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭bladespin


    jamie_m_ward wrote: »
    I am genuinely surprised at all the interest in this and the great discussions ive had so far , Thanks guys...........who knows what will come in the future..........How Cheeky would it be to try fund a medium production motorcycle :P Gofund me anyone??? ahahha jokes

    Get a prototype up and running ( prior to type approval) and you could be amazed, I’d be interested anyway.


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    #75
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    well with how well this thread has gone I sure am supprised, I might go into solidworks and work on a design and keep you up to date


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    #76
    goblin59
    Registered Users Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭goblin59


    jamie_m_ward wrote: »
    well with how well this thread has gone I sure am supprised, I might go into solidworks and work on a design and keep you up to date

    if you need a hand let me know.
    I'd definitly recommend looking at super Soco motorcycles.
    I imagine they would be the closest to what you are after.

    They have some in megabikes


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    #77
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    goblin59 wrote: »
    if you need a hand let me know.
    I'd definitly recommend looking at super Soco motorcycles.
    I imagine they would be the closest to what you are after.

    They have some in megabikes

    cheers man , Ive seen them online a bit, not sure what I dont like about them they have bit too much going on. Maybe there isnt enough room to make something new and unique? I love the more minimalist cafe racer look its more sleek, Id market it as a daily commuter get you from a - b reliably . What would be some ideas you would have?


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    #78
    goblin59
    Registered Users Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭goblin59


    jamie_m_ward wrote: »
    cheers man , Ive seen them online a bit, not sure what I dont like about them they have bit too much going on. Maybe there isnt enough room to make something new and unique? I love the more minimalist cafe racer look its more sleek, Id market it as a daily commuter get you from a - b reliably . What would be some ideas you would have?


    Too much going on in the super soco, is this in terms of functionality or design.

    The way I would approach it is design your drive train function first.

    So you would need to know how you are driving the rear wheel.
    Are you direct drive.
    Chain / Band
    Shaft driven.

    each have their advantages and disadvantages and will impact on freedom of chassis design.

    I would personally avoid direct mounted and would use the chain drive, mainly due to the wide variation of parts available and donor frames.

    Once you get there you would need to prototype the rear swing arm to work out any issues that come out of the motor / batteries you plan to use to make sure that it has the torque and speed to turn the wheel.

    How are you planning on charging this bike as well, as you will have to design that as well. to make sure the batteries are kept balanced and don't short out.
    You will likely need a balance charging circuit designed for the bike.


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    #79
    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,917 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Max Headroom wrote: »
    Cant see why i cant be legal...its basically an electric bicycle..are there limits to the capacity from being a bicycle to a motorcycle.....:confused:

    To not need insurance, tax, licence and helmet the bicycle needs to be less than be pedal assisted, so if you stop pedaling the motor doesn't run, can't assist you above 25kph and can't exceed IIRC 250W.

    I'd be checking if it's possible to register a Q plated UK vehicle here before doing more work on the bike.


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    #80
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    goblin59 wrote: »
    Too much going on in the super soco, is this in terms of functionality or design.

    The way I would approach it is design your drive train function first.

    So you would need to know how you are driving the rear wheel.
    Are you direct drive.
    Chain / Band
    Shaft driven.

    each have their advantages and disadvantages and will impact on freedom of chassis design.

    I would personally avoid direct mounted and would use the chain drive, mainly due to the wide variation of parts available and donor frames.

    Once you get there you would need to prototype the rear swing arm to work out any issues that come out of the motor / batteries you plan to use to make sure that it has the torque and speed to turn the wheel.

    How are you planning on charging this bike as well, as you will have to design that as well. to make sure the batteries are kept balanced and don't short out.
    You will likely need a balance charging circuit designed for the bike.

    I meant in terms of aesthetic design, I dont find it appealing. In terms of how it would be driven I was first looking at hub motors, but realising their limitations and cost I think chain driven would be the go do, as you mentioned more availability of parts, as well as it is more modular in terms of gear ratios, its easier to change out.


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    #81
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    Del2005 wrote: »
    To not need insurance, tax, licence and helmet the bicycle needs to be less than be pedal assisted, so if you stop pedaling the motor doesn't run, can't assist you above 25kph and can't exceed IIRC 250W.

    I'd be checking if it's possible to register a Q plated UK vehicle here before doing more work on the bike.

    Yeah that was one of the first things i came across when researching


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