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I want to build an electric cafe racer how do I register it?

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  • #52
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Btw, electric custom has been done here, just not road legal https://youtu.be/m5BUk-yINW0

    ..in Athenry :)

    http://www.dwrenched.com/2015/03/dwrenched.html?m=1

    https://thevintagent.com/strom36/
    Yeah the hard part is getting them road legal.. Its really a bummer, stops the maker community really thriving


  • #53
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Btw, electric custom has been done here, just not road legal https://youtu.be/m5BUk-yINW0

    ..in Athenry :)

    http://www.dwrenched.com/2015/03/dwrenched.html?m=1

    https://thevintagent.com/strom36/


    Cant see why i cant be legal...its basically an electric bicycle..are there limits to the capacity from being a bicycle to a motorcycle.....:confused:


  • #54
    Mjolnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    Max Headroom wrote: »
    Cant see why i cant be legal...its basically an electric bicycle..are there limits to the capacity from being a bicycle to a motorcycle.....:confused:

    Any mechanically propelled vechicle needs to be taxable(regardless if any tax applies) and have insurance, that includes those little electric peddle bikes and scouters.
    Can't remember the exact conditions it has to meet to fall outside that requirement, basically mostly anything with a motor that doesn't depend mostly on the user generating the momentum.

    Registration is so every home tutul wanna be doesn't slap together a frame and kill themselves or someone else.
    I remember seeing something before where someone basically said sure Billy Lane just eyeballs things, apart from being incredibly talented in fabrication and intelligent, he was an engineer.
    Him I'd trust to build a frame, John down the road who took up a new hobby..... not so much.

    I'd love to build a ground up bike, but the equipment and skill required are beyond me, frame jigs, pipe benders welders, presses, adds up quick.


  • #55
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Max Headroom wrote: »
    Cant see why i cant be legal...its basically an electric bicycle..are there limits to the capacity from being a bicycle to a motorcycle.....:confused:

    It's not a bicycle. Under EU regs it's a PTW - Powered Two Wheeler. Aka, a vehicle.

    This means Type Approval, Certificate of Conformity etc etc.

    Huge task - I'm in the middle of that now for a vehicle (work), and I can tell you now that presented with a 2-wheeler, you'd be a pioneer with NSAI.... :pac::pac:

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #56
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    galwaytt wrote: »
    It's not a bicycle. Under EU regs it's a PTW - Powered Two Wheeler. Aka, a vehicle.

    This means Type Approval, Certificate of Conformity etc etc.

    Huge task - I'm in the middle of that now for a vehicle (work), and I can tell you now that presented with a 2-wheeler, you'd be a pioneer with NSAI.... :pac::pac:

    Just a question but why would you use the NSAI?
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  • #57
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    bladespin wrote: »
    Just a question but why would you use the NSAI?

    They're the Notified Body for Ireland. It is they who issue CoC.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #58
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    galwaytt wrote: »
    They're the Notified Body for Ireland. It is they who issue CoC.

    Just thinking about the amount of hassle i had importing a bike from the UK (I thought the V5C was lost in post, turned out the seller just hadn't posted it yet)

    I could see getting anything through the NCT a gigantic pain in the arse, even if you had a COC, if it involves more paperwork they won't want to hear about it.


  • #59
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    goblin59 wrote: »
    Just thinking about the amount of hassle i had importing a bike from the UK (I thought the V5C was lost in post, turned out the seller just hadn't posted it yet)

    I could see getting anything through the NCT a gigantic pain in the arse, even if you had a COC, if it involves more paperwork they won't want to hear about it.
    It’s not the NCT it’s the National Standards Authority of Ireland


  • #60
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    It’s not the NCT it’s the National Standards Authority of Ireland

    you would still need an inspection from the NCT for your VRT and when applying for your tax disc

    Same as importing a bike


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  • #61
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    I'm thinking it might be easier to go the UK route, special builds are more common over there, lots of info on the UK VCA site.
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  • #62
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Deffo...buy an english bike...convert it and go back over with it....probably easier and cheaper in the long run....maybe start selling them...;)


  • #63
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    I've a friend in Northern Ireland doing a custom build at the moment.
    definitely easier to do.

    Given Brexit, it might not be the easier route after the next year.
    Also if you're not resident in the UK they may not want to deal with you.
    I had a headache dealing with the DVLA before, they didn't want to talk to me as i wasn't in the UK.


  • #64
    Max Headroom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    goblin59 wrote: »
    I've a friend in Northern Ireland doing a custom build at the moment.
    definitely easier to do.

    Given Brexit, it might not be the easier route after the next year.
    Also if you're not resident in the UK they may not want to deal with you.
    I had a headache dealing with the DVLA before, they didn't want to talk to me as i wasn't in the UK.
    We're foreigners now...........:D


  • #65
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Max Headroom wrote: »
    We're foreigners now...........:D

    haha be glad of it xD imagine needing a visa permit and vehicle green card for each country in the EU when doing trips.


  • #66
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    yeah exactly, still tho there should be some test for us to do yeno so if what we build is genuinely good and safe , that we can ride it


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  • #67
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    hahah stop man , its genuinely so difficult to get anything done with them


  • #68
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    yeah they arent afraid to help you find the information (unlike others). I mean I see no problem with it as long as you go trough a stringent test to assure safety


  • #69
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    imagine ahah doing a hobby project and end up start selling motorbikes


  • #70
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    yeah I think ive come up with the idea a bit too late :(


  • #71
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    hahahahha :)


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  • #72
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    goblin59 wrote: »
    haha be glad of it xD imagine needing a visa permit and vehicle green card for each country in the EU when doing trips.

    hahahahha


  • #73
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    I am genuinely surprised at all the interest in this and the great discussions ive had so far , Thanks guys...........who knows what will come in the future..........How Cheeky would it be to try fund a medium production motorcycle :P Gofund me anyone??? ahahha jokes


  • #74
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    jamie_m_ward wrote: »
    I am genuinely surprised at all the interest in this and the great discussions ive had so far , Thanks guys...........who knows what will come in the future..........How Cheeky would it be to try fund a medium production motorcycle :P Gofund me anyone??? ahahha jokes

    Get a prototype up and running ( prior to type approval) and you could be amazed, I’d be interested anyway.
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  • #75
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    well with how well this thread has gone I sure am supprised, I might go into solidworks and work on a design and keep you up to date


  • #76
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    jamie_m_ward wrote: »
    well with how well this thread has gone I sure am supprised, I might go into solidworks and work on a design and keep you up to date

    if you need a hand let me know.
    I'd definitly recommend looking at super Soco motorcycles.
    I imagine they would be the closest to what you are after.

    They have some in megabikes


  • #77
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    goblin59 wrote: »
    if you need a hand let me know.
    I'd definitly recommend looking at super Soco motorcycles.
    I imagine they would be the closest to what you are after.

    They have some in megabikes

    cheers man , Ive seen them online a bit, not sure what I dont like about them they have bit too much going on. Maybe there isnt enough room to make something new and unique? I love the more minimalist cafe racer look its more sleek, Id market it as a daily commuter get you from a - b reliably . What would be some ideas you would have?


  • #78
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    jamie_m_ward wrote: »
    cheers man , Ive seen them online a bit, not sure what I dont like about them they have bit too much going on. Maybe there isnt enough room to make something new and unique? I love the more minimalist cafe racer look its more sleek, Id market it as a daily commuter get you from a - b reliably . What would be some ideas you would have?


    Too much going on in the super soco, is this in terms of functionality or design.

    The way I would approach it is design your drive train function first.

    So you would need to know how you are driving the rear wheel.
    Are you direct drive.
    Chain / Band
    Shaft driven.

    each have their advantages and disadvantages and will impact on freedom of chassis design.

    I would personally avoid direct mounted and would use the chain drive, mainly due to the wide variation of parts available and donor frames.

    Once you get there you would need to prototype the rear swing arm to work out any issues that come out of the motor / batteries you plan to use to make sure that it has the torque and speed to turn the wheel.

    How are you planning on charging this bike as well, as you will have to design that as well. to make sure the batteries are kept balanced and don't short out.
    You will likely need a balance charging circuit designed for the bike.


  • #79
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Max Headroom wrote: »
    Cant see why i cant be legal...its basically an electric bicycle..are there limits to the capacity from being a bicycle to a motorcycle.....:confused:

    To not need insurance, tax, licence and helmet the bicycle needs to be less than be pedal assisted, so if you stop pedaling the motor doesn't run, can't assist you above 25kph and can't exceed IIRC 250W.

    I'd be checking if it's possible to register a Q plated UK vehicle here before doing more work on the bike.


  • #80
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    goblin59 wrote: »
    Too much going on in the super soco, is this in terms of functionality or design.

    The way I would approach it is design your drive train function first.

    So you would need to know how you are driving the rear wheel.
    Are you direct drive.
    Chain / Band
    Shaft driven.

    each have their advantages and disadvantages and will impact on freedom of chassis design.

    I would personally avoid direct mounted and would use the chain drive, mainly due to the wide variation of parts available and donor frames.

    Once you get there you would need to prototype the rear swing arm to work out any issues that come out of the motor / batteries you plan to use to make sure that it has the torque and speed to turn the wheel.

    How are you planning on charging this bike as well, as you will have to design that as well. to make sure the batteries are kept balanced and don't short out.
    You will likely need a balance charging circuit designed for the bike.

    I meant in terms of aesthetic design, I dont find it appealing. In terms of how it would be driven I was first looking at hub motors, but realising their limitations and cost I think chain driven would be the go do, as you mentioned more availability of parts, as well as it is more modular in terms of gear ratios, its easier to change out.


  • #81
    jamie_m_ward
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭jamie_m_ward


    Del2005 wrote: »
    To not need insurance, tax, licence and helmet the bicycle needs to be less than be pedal assisted, so if you stop pedaling the motor doesn't run, can't assist you above 25kph and can't exceed IIRC 250W.

    I'd be checking if it's possible to register a Q plated UK vehicle here before doing more work on the bike.

    Yeah that was one of the first things i came across when researching


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