UFC on ESPN 5 Covington vs. Lawler Sat 3rd Aug

hunter164 · 03-08-2019 11:10pm

What an anti-climax that fight was

tommyboy26 · 03-08-2019 11:10pm

mailburner wrote: »

Woodley a lucky man to have avoided cc

Would love to see masvidal cc

Usman cc? Can't call it myself

good fight usman colby.

i would give usman the edge as his wresting and cardio are better than colby

pastorbarrett · 03-08-2019 11:10pm

Robbie paid to take an L by the Trumps. Clearly.

weemcd · 03-08-2019 11:10pm

That's the most disappointing fight I've ever seen. Not the worst fight, just the most disappointing considering who Colby is and how much of a legend Lawler is.

UFC should put Lawler into fun fights, avoiding wrestlers as much as possible for however long he sticks at it. He was gassed after one round.

I refuse to compliment Colby, he is cancer in human form.

mailburner · 03-08-2019 11:11pm

tommyboy26 wrote: »

good fight usman colby.

i would give usman the edge as his wresting and cardio are better than colby

dunno about the cardio being better

that was insanely good by cc

Zero-Cool · 03-08-2019 11:12pm

Lawler by Sub

Wwwwooooowwwww

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/1157775531649011712?s=19

tommyboy26 · 03-08-2019 11:13pm

pastorbarrett wrote: »

Robbie paid to take an L by the Trumps. Clearly.

i can believe that

weemcd wrote: »

That's the most disappointing fight I've ever seen. Not the worst fight, just the most disappointing considering who Colby is and how much of a legend Lawler is.

UFC should put Lawler into fun fights, avoiding wrestlers as much as possible for however long he sticks at it. He was gassed after one round.

I refuse to compliment Colby, he is cancer in human form.

this + 1 million

martyos121 · 03-08-2019 11:13pm

Lawler by KO/TKO

I’m surprised so many gave Lawler a chance in that. All Colby had to do was weather the early storm and the fight was his to lose. Love him or loathe him (and I’m pretty sure we all agree on the latter) his fitness levels are insane and he’s able to nullify dangerous opponents.

mailburner · 03-08-2019 11:14pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Wwwwooooowwwww

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/1157775531649011712?s=19

what a nasty human being, gonna be less likeable than jon jones

The White Feather · 03-08-2019 11:14pm

weemcd wrote: »

He was gassed after one round.

Any else notice Lawler puffing out his cheeks non stop on the way into the Octagon? i know I am sitting here on my couch and its easy to say, but I thought he looked tired coming in. Maybe a bad weight cut or something?

hawaii501 · 03-08-2019 11:14pm

Colby is just relentless, every fight he seems to just dominate. Over 500 punches thrown is abnormal especially along with his takedown attempts.

Him and Usman will be some chess match. Can't wait for it!!

Johner · 03-08-2019 11:16pm

I must be the only one that likes Colby. :pac:

Tazzimus · 03-08-2019 11:16pm

martyos121 wrote: »

I’m surprised so many gave Lawler a chance in that. All Colby had to do was weather the early storm and the fight was his to lose. Love him or loathe him (and I’m pretty sure we all agree on the latter) his fitness levels are insane and he’s able to nullify dangerous opponents.

I think everyone was willing Robbie to flatline him more than anything.
Colby has legit skills, but he is such a massive piece of ****.

pastorbarrett · 03-08-2019 11:18pm

Colby hams all his provocative rehearsed lines - it almost makes him likeable. He's terrible at being a foil.

SureYWouldntYa · 03-08-2019 11:20pm

mailburner wrote: »

what a nasty human being, gonna be less likeable than jon jones

Difference is Colby is intentionally acting unlikeable, but comes across as a B-list Chael Sonnen

While Jones is a natural villain who isn't self aware in the slightest

The White Feather · 03-08-2019 11:21pm

Lawler has now lost 4 of his last 5 fights

martyos121 · 03-08-2019 11:29pm

Lawler by KO/TKO

Tazzimus wrote: »

I think everyone was willing Robbie to flatline him more than anything.
Colby has legit skills, but he is such a massive piece of ****.

Believe me, I was too, and I agree with all you’ve said.

I’m starting to warm to him in a weird way, but only because it’s clearly a massive act he’s putting on and he’s got skills to back it up. Anyone who’s watched pro-wrestling at any point in their lives can see him for what he is. It’s all rehearsed but he’ll never be a big PPV draw because he doesn’t have the charisma to really make it work.

As Sure just said, Jones is so much better at the same thing, because he’s actually a horrible person behind it all, whereas I don’t believe Colby truly is. He’s just trying to promote himself.

03-08-2019 11:33pm

Johner wrote: »

I must be the only one that likes Colby. :pac:

I really enjoy Colbys shtick. I was always a massive fan of Chael Sonnen and Colby character is kinda similar to Chaels, he is kind of like a B level Chael. Colby is just trying to build a name for himself and make some money and using this character to do it.

There is two reasons people are tuning into Colbys fights:
1. Is because they like his shtick/character or
2. They dislike him and are hoping that they can watch him get knocked out.

Either way he is generating interest in his fights/ the UFC. I mean for christ sake the Trumps were there tonight to watch him fight

mdwexford · 03-08-2019 11:33pm

I find Colby’s heel act amusing much like I do with Cejudo.

Matt Hughes is a proper scumbag so liked that comment.

Colby’s cardio and pace is off the charts. He might actually be the best welterweight in the world. Has to get the next shot now.

Robbie fought a bizarre fight. Doing non stop head movement while barely throwing a punch for 60 second spells. When he was throwing they were light shots when he needed a haymaker to land for a finish.

The Floyd p · 03-08-2019 11:33pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Wwwwooooowwwww

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/1157775531649011712?s=19

People need to keep that same energy when talking about Matt Hughes.

ERG89 · 03-08-2019 11:34pm

The White Feather wrote: »

Lawler has now lost 4 of his last 5 fights

Lawler has been fighting for nearly 20 years and has been in a lot of wars in the last few years. He can either stay going and get used to losing more like BJ has or pack it in before he has to be told to. His defeat to Woodley was 3 years ago & he's not himself since.

Tazzimus · 03-08-2019 11:34pm

martyos121 wrote: »

Believe me, I was too, and I agree with all you’ve said.

I’m starting to warm to him in a weird way, but only because it’s clearly a massive act he’s putting on and he’s got skills to back it up. Anyone who’s watched pro-wrestling at any point in their lives can see him for what he is. It’s all rehearsed but he’ll never be a big PPV draw because he doesn’t have the charisma to really make it work.

As Sure just said, Jones is so much better at the same thing, because he’s actually a horrible person behind it all, whereas I don’t believe Colby truly is. He’s just trying to promote himself.

Yeah I think it's the fact he overdoes it so much that makes him so unlikeable.
He's basically shouting "look at me, look how controversial I am, hate me(love me)"

As for Jones, I just refer to him as a ****stain. He needs to drop the nice guy act and just embrace being a bag of dicks.

weemcd · 03-08-2019 11:36pm

The White Feather wrote: »

Any else notice Lawler puffing out his cheeks non stop on the way into the Octagon? i know I am sitting here on my couch and its easy to say, but I thought he looked tired coming in. Maybe a bad weight cut or something?

You might be right. I thought Lawler looked huge tonight, especially around the arms/biceps. Whatever happened he had very little pop after a round.

Esse85 · 03-08-2019 11:39pm

The White Feather wrote: »

Lawler has now lost 4 of his last 5 fights

He's predicable, he's a brawler, he's easily figured out.

thecomedian · 03-08-2019 11:41pm

He’s 37 years old with a lot of miles on the clock. He’s slowly getting worse over the last few years

The White Feather · 03-08-2019 11:51pm

This was the scorecard from the main event

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derfderf · 04-08-2019 2:33am

Lawler by KO/TKO

Whether you like Colby or not, nobody cared about him either way until the rant in Brazil. Its put him on the map. I find his fights pretty boring. What he said tonight was pretty classless but, and I can't stress this enough, f*ck Matt Hughes.

It's a pity Robbie's going through such a rough patch. Maybe the RDA fight could have been more competitive if he didn't injure his leg. There's definitely been a changing of the guard in Welterweight. I hope he rematches Condit. They both need a fight where they can stand and trade. It would be a shame if either retired on a string of losses to grapplers.

pastorbarrett · 04-08-2019 12:34pm

Despite the outcome, Colby seemed hittable last night to me. He'll have trouble with somebody that can fire back at him and at least survive the pressure onslaught. Robbie did seem like that candidate on paper alright, so...

Credit due for the performance all the same - the work-rate is unquestionable - but can imagine someone finding just enough opportunity to out gun him.

04-08-2019 12:44pm

The UFC does need more people like Colby who are at least trying to get people interested in their fights.

I am paraphrasing the great undefeated Chael P Sonnen here but Chael says something like "The punches and kicks aren't enough anyore, you need to sell the fights to the fans, you need to get the fans interested in the back story" and he is 100% right. The hardcores will watch the fights no matter what but the casual viewers need the back story to get interested. Now Colby isn't the best at getting people interested but at least he is trying.

Mellor · 04-08-2019 1:05pm

Lawler by Sub

mdwexford wrote: »

Matt Hughes is a proper scumbag so liked that comment.

Matt Hughes biography painted him as a bit of a scumbag alright.
But that shouldn't make it ok for other to just as much of a dick.

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Super finish by Miller there, but yet another sloppy ref performance by Herb Dean. This is not the 1st time that Dean has been off the pace whilst refereeing.

Guida didn't tap so I'm not really sure what you expected Herb to do. There was no indication that he went out. Herb checked on him, no response, so he called it.

He missed the tap in the Trevin Giles vs. Gerald Meerschaert fight. Not ideal, but it was a very awkward angle.

Man Vs ManUre · 04-08-2019 3:45pm

Wonder why isn’t Khabib looking looking to win the welterweight belt and become another champ champ?? He is a big lightweight and sometimes struggles to make weight. Him vs Colby would be a great fight considering both are such good grapplers.

rob316 · 04-08-2019 3:53pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Wonder why isn’t Khabib looking looking to win the welterweight belt and become another champ champ?? He is a big lightweight and sometimes struggles to make weight. Him vs Colby would be a great fight considering both are such good grapplers.

He has a wealth of fights in lw still.

Ultimate Seduction · 04-08-2019 6:07pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Wonder why isn’t Khabib looking looking to win the welterweight belt and become another champ champ?? He is a big lightweight and sometimes struggles to make weight. Him vs Colby would be a great fight considering both are such good grapplers.

He only has 1 defence at lightweight. I reckon he'll want to defend it 3 or 4 times to become the legit goat before he moves up.

Man Vs ManUre · 04-08-2019 6:58pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

He only has 1 defence at lightweight. I reckon he'll want to defend it 3 or 4 times to become the legit goat before he moves up.

Yep but he has been so dominant surely he could easily win at 170 also. It’s just that I’ve never really heard talk about it even. He has spoken a lot about a fight with GSP before he retires but that would be a greatest vs greatest type duel. Even Conor has spoken a bit about 170 and even fought there even if they were just sorta accidental exhibition fights.

mdwexford · 04-08-2019 7:06pm

Mellor wrote: »

Matt Hughes biography painted him as a bit of a scumbag alright.
But that shouldn't make it ok for other to just as much of a dick.

I agree two wrongs don’t usually make a right but I could not believe the content in that book so I detest the man for life.

Any laughs at his expense are just fine by me.

Tazzimus · 04-08-2019 7:31pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Yep but he has been so dominant surely he could easily win at 170 also. It’s just that I’ve never really heard talk about it even. He has spoken a lot about a fight with GSP before he retires but that would be a greatest vs greatest type duel. Even Conor has spoken a bit about 170 and even fought there even if they were just sorta accidental exhibition fights.

The guys he'd fight at ww would be a lot bigger than what he's been facing at lw. He wouldn't have a good time up there.

Mellor · 05-08-2019 12:02am

Lawler by Sub

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Yep but he has been so dominant surely he could easily win at 170 also. It’s just that I’ve never really heard talk about it even. He has spoken a lot about a fight with GSP before he retires but that would be a greatest vs greatest type duel. Even Conor has spoken a bit about 170 and even fought there even if they were just sorta accidental exhibition fights.

He could win against some 170s, he'd win against most of them tbh. But it gets hard as he approachs the top guys. He's made it clear in the past that he has no intention of moving up. He's extremely risk adverse tbh. He didn't make it to 16-0 before entering the UFC by taking risks.
He talked about a fight with GSP but he wants it at 155 or 160

eagle eye · 05-08-2019 12:23am

Ultimate Seduction wrote:

He only has 1 defence at lightweight. I reckon he'll want to defend it 3 or 4 times to become the legit goat before he moves up.

He won't have 3 defenses because Tony will beat him.

mailburner · 05-08-2019 12:29am

eagle eye wrote: »

He won't have 3 defenses because Tony will beat him.

I've always thought this also

Nigzcurran · 05-08-2019 12:39am

eagle eye wrote: »

He won't have 3 defenses because Tony will beat him.

How? Surely he’ll just take tony down and wreck him like nearly everyone else, I think the Al fight shouldn’t be counted as it looked like Khabib was trying out his standup in preparation for the likes of Conor as he had the fight sewn up and didn’t need or want the early submission

eagle eye · 05-08-2019 12:49am

Nigzcurran wrote:

How? Surely heâ€™ll just take tony down and wreck him like nearly everyone else, I think the Al fight shouldnâ€™t be counted as it looked like Khabib was trying out his standup in preparation for the likes of Conor as he had the fight sewn up and didnâ€™t need or want the early submission

He will get hit a lot before he gets near Tony. Very hard to take a man down who is constantly firing shots.

Nigzcurran · 05-08-2019 12:54am

eagle eye wrote: »

He will get hit a lot before he gets near Tony. Very hard to take a man down who is constantly firing shots.

Don’t think tony will hit him hard enough or worry him enough to stop the takedown, and once your down your pretty much screwed although I would love to see tony do some of his funky stuff off his back while he’s getting raped by khabib

Tazzimus · 05-08-2019 11:53am

Tony's cardio is miles ahead of Khabib's and he can work off his back or in awkward spots.
I think Tony is Khabib's hardest fight at lw

weemcd · 05-08-2019 12:40pm

Tony v Khabib is still the fight to make (how many times have they tried to make this one now, three times?) Assuming of course Khabib wins vs Poirier.

Gamb!t · 05-08-2019 9:17pm

Lawler by Sub

weemcd wrote: »

Tony v Khabib is still the fight to make (how many times have they tried to make this one now, three times?) Assuming of course Khabib wins vs Poirier.

4 fights were previously scheduled.
Would love to see those two battle it out but not holding my breath.

Homelander · 05-08-2019 9:31pm

Lawler looked bad in there. He's not too far gone like the like of BJ, Frank Mir, etc but he needs to pack it in before he really starts to ruin the legacy. Colby looked good....wanted him to get his head taken off in R1 but wasn't to be. Lawler had nothing after R1.

Some good other scraps on the card. Disappointed by Hanna Goldy's showing. Clearly has power but was too reserved. Surprised Jim Miller didn't get a bonus, great showing though I think Clay Guida is also a little past it. Some fighters can stay viable into their later years but don't think he is one of them.

Haqparast is an exciting prospect. Meerschart....got the win but it wasn't overly earned I didn't think personally.

Great scrap between Hot Sauce and Ma. Man that guy can take some damage. Was probably the most exciting fight of the card.

Shevcenko....amazing finish, to pull off a submission from that awkard angle. Great finish from Schnell as well, really got the job done.

A really good card overall.

Mellor · 06-08-2019 2:01am

Lawler by Sub

Homelander wrote: »

Shevcenko....amazing finish, to pull off a submission from that awkard angle.

They landed in a funny position. But there was nothing hard about getting the finish from there. He opponent put herself right into the choke.

rob316 · 06-08-2019 11:33am

How are these lads eating, Colby only on 45/45k for that fight, he hasn't fought in a year. Shocked he didn't get the 50k performance bonus, that was absolute 5 round clinic.

AlmightyCushion · 06-08-2019 11:44am

rob316 wrote: »

How are these lads eating, Colby only on 45/45k for that fight, he hasn't fought in a year. Shocked he didn't get the 50k performance bonus, that was absolute 5 round clinic.

Performance of the night bonuses usually go to excited fights or finishes. As dominant of a performance as it was, it wasn't an exciting fight even from Colby's side. Lawler basically done nothing all fight and Colby threw a load of soft punches (it was a **** load all right and broke records but there was no power behind them). Even with all the takedowns there was no real ground and pound or decent submission attempts.

I assume his gym gets 10% of that (isn't 10% the standard?), so it's still 80k before taxes. He'll get a few grand from Rebok as well. A decent wage even for only 1 fight a year. Not amazing but not on the breadline either. Saying that having such a massive swing in your pay based on whether you win or lose when it's at that level of pay is scary. His 'pay' for the year would be halved if he had lost. That's some difference at the money he is on. The UFC really needs to start uping their pay levels. Letting the fighters have some sort of sponsorship on their shorts would help too.

Homelander · 06-08-2019 11:57am

I'm sure he has a few lucrative sponsership deals as well, I don't think the Colby household has any trouble keeping lights on.

Must be very hard for up and coming fighters though trying to commit to it full time while getting peanuts.

UFC on ESPN 5 Covington vs. Lawler Sat 3rd Aug

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