How about get a degree where there are jobs instead of crying about it.

El_Duderino 09 · 04-02-2020 1:21pm

Millicently wrote: »

Well, for a start he's a nobody from the arse end of rural Clare that nobody has ever heard of yet he thinks his story merits an article in the Irish Times.

Yeah, he’s just a normal guy telling the story of a normal guy.

So is not being famous what he’s done wrong?

I see RTÉ archive footage speaking to emigrants working on building sites and I never felt the need to slag them off because they’re not famous. I saw it as a normal bloke sharing his experience. But a bloke sharing his story in 2020 is “entitled” “delusional” or not famous enough to be worth listening to but definitely worthy of ridicule. Maybe people are just a bit nastier now.

El_Duderino 09 · 04-02-2020 1:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

picked a foolish degree and career to be going looking for any sympathy when the irish times told him "wanna be this months poster boy for how tough life is when your work is your hobby?"

Where do you get the impression he’s looking for sympathy? He’s telling his story. Sharing his experience. He didn’t ask you to do anything or feel anything.

But still the inclination to ridicule the bloke for even existing or dating to share his experience.

Did you take the p1ss out of emigrants in the 80s too, as a matter of interest?

El_Duderino 09 · 04-02-2020 1:38pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

yeah you just avoided all of the points there didnt you?

also, the answer to " is he young" is "no, he's 34". that doesnt take a paragraph, but when it does you know you're reaching

All the points? I don’t think your post was a full of points as you think it was. You declared that anyone who emigrated in 2009 did so with a free education and went to “sunnier climes”. Like, what do you want me to do with that “point”? It wasn’t the zinger you seem to think it was.

It would be as silly as me ridiculing the hod carriers in London in the 80s for being too thick to do anything else, living the life of Reilly in London and spending all their money on lunchtime strippers with pints and working men’s clubs at night. But I actually think the situation was a lot more complicated than that.

I’ve never heard this bitterness towards emigrants in the past. It’s genuinely fascinating to see the way people take agin young people and back each other up. Nobody has had a good attempt to explain why he’s wrong, to what he implied he’s “entitled” or why he should be ridiculed.

topper75 · 04-02-2020 1:47pm

mariaalice wrote: »

To anyone who say the arts are not worth studying this is a peom I love by one of the civil servant poets not well know.

...

A fine work mariaalice. Thanks for posting.

But this poem and millions of others like it can be written in the evening after putting in a shift in a normal job, can it not?

Is there some prerequisite in four full time years of Proust's views on feminism or Dante's religious allegories etc. to produce such a poem?

The best service any career guidance teacher can do for an Irish kid today is to steer them away from Arts and other fluff. They are merely a transfer of money from Irish taxpayers to overpaid lecturers. Probably failed poets themselves. Resources are scarce and the economics is real. The dreaded market is not some punishment devised by nasty people. After you have satisfied its demands and earned your place in this world, you can sit down to the kitchen table after dinner with a pen and paper and create whatever you bloody well like. Even publish it and have people buy it.

Church on Tuesday · 04-02-2020 1:52pm

There's a few things about this.

Regularly on this site you will get an awful lot of very bitter people; men and women with chips on their shoulders so big, they could open a chipper. No doubt these very same people would love the relative carefree lifestyle that this chap has in London of all places.

We all have our own life path to journey on. People need to understand this. If you wanted to stay in Ballyhack stop complaining because others did not.

He's doing just fine, working a part time job and staging plays in London and Dublin is pretty impressive to me. Then again London has all the opportunities in the world. Fair play to him.

Dublin is grand, but it ain't London.

*Insert your obligatory Terrorist/Brexit rebuttal here. Yawn.

Maybe some of these dry ****es pissing on this lad here should relax a bit and take up a hobby or something, being so angry and bitter all the time ain't good for your health.

marieholmfan · 04-02-2020 2:09pm

Millicently wrote: »

Well, for a start he's a nobody from the arse end of rural Clare that nobody has ever heard of yet he thinks his story merits an article in the Irish Times.

Yeah because his play is being produced.
That's why the Irish Times asked him for his story.

Millicently · 04-02-2020 2:21pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah, he’s just a normal guy telling the story of a normal guy.

So is not being famous what he’s done wrong?

I see RTÉ archive footage speaking to emigrants working on building sites and I never felt the need to slag them off because they’re not famous. I saw it as a normal bloke sharing his experience. But a bloke sharing his story in 2020 is “entitled” “delusional” or not famous enough to be worth listening to but definitely worthy of ridicule. Maybe people are just a bit nastier now.

It's lazy journalism filling columns. My generation who were at school in the 80's couldn't give a great whoop whoop about this guy or any other emigrant/immigrant, we just had to get on with things, nobody gave a good God damn how we 'felt' about things. It was taken as a given that you'd escape small town rural Ireland as soon as you could. You are exactly the type of person they aim this nonsense at.

Grown man gets paid to whinge about having to emigrate so he can write stuff that will probably never see the light of day and you're annoyed on his behalf because people don't feel sorry for him. If you're going to rally behind something at least find a decent cause. I hear the environment is very popular at the moment, seems my generation destroyed the ozone layer with our hairspray.

04-02-2020 2:24pm

Feckin hipsters..

marieholmfan · 04-02-2020 2:28pm

Millicently wrote: »

It's lazy journalism filling columns. My generation who were at school in the 80's couldn't give a great whoop whoop about this guy or any other emigrant/immigrant, we just had to get on with things, nobody gave a good God damn how we 'felt' about things. It was taken as a given that you'd escape small town rural Ireland as soon as you could. You are exactly the type of person they aim this nonsense at.

Grown man gets paid to whinge about having to emigrate so he can write stuff that will probably never see the light of day and you're annoyed on his behalf because people don't feel sorry for him. If you're going to rally behind something at least find a decent cause. I hear the environment is very popular at the moment, seems my generation destroyed the ozone layer with our hairspray.

His play is on in the Project on Friday.

04-02-2020 2:30pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

All the points? I don’t think your post was a full of points as you think it was. You declared that anyone who emigrated in 2009 did so with a free education and went to “sunnier climes”. Like, what do you want me to do with that “point”? It wasn’t the zinger you seem to think it was.

It would be as silly as me ridiculing the hod carriers in London in the 80s for being too thick to do anything else, living the life of Reilly in London and spending all their money on lunchtime strippers with pints and working men’s clubs at night. But I actually think the situation was a lot more complicated than that.

I’ve never heard this bitterness towards emigrants in the past. It’s genuinely fascinating to see the way people take agin young people and back each other up. Nobody has had a good attempt to explain why he’s wrong, to what he implied he’s “entitled” or why he should be ridiculed.

yeah i was giving out stink about the biyiz heading off to london when i was a toddler, surely

you dont think anyone should be allowed tell this fella to cop on about the realities of a hobby masters, fair enough.

you dont think anyone should give out about the irish times package coverage of the wearisome generation emigration, fair enough

you feel entitled to speculate about posters because they speculate/opine about fellas who are giving interviews to promote their art. weird but fair enough.

you think that emigration from ireland in the early 80's is equivalent to emigration from ireland in the late 00's. ridiculous.

Millicently · 04-02-2020 2:32pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

There's a few things about this.

Regularly on this site you will get an awful lot of very bitter people; men and women with chips on their shoulders so big, they could open a chipper. No doubt these very same people would love the relative carefree lifestyle that this chap has in London of all places.

We all have our own life path to journey on. People need to understand this. If you wanted to stay in Ballyhack stop complaining because others did not.

He's doing just fine, working a part time job and staging plays in London and Dublin is pretty impressive to me. Then again London has all the opportunities in the world. Fair play to him.

Dublin is grand, but it ain't London.

*Insert your obligatory Terrorist/Brexit rebuttal here. Yawn.

Maybe some of these dry ****es pissing on this lad here should relax a bit and take up a hobby or something, being so angry and bitter all the time ain't good for your health.

Do you see the irony of your post at all? Everyone who disagrees with you is a 'dry ****e' They say if you meet an asshole in the morning and an asshole in the evening there's a good chance that it's you whose the .......

Millicently · 04-02-2020 2:33pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

His play is on in the Project on Friday.

I have never heard of it, I have no interest in finding out what it is.

partyguinness · 04-02-2020 2:35pm

I cancelled my IT subscription years ago.

I realised half the content was taken from The Guardian only 24 hours later.

pjohnson · 04-02-2020 2:35pm

Millicently wrote: »

I have never heard of it, I have no interest in finding out what it is.

So therefore it doesnt exist :pac:

Really are in "Old Man Yells at Cloud" territory.

Millicently · 04-02-2020 2:39pm

pjohnson wrote: »

So therefore it doesnt exist :pac:

Really are in "Old Man Yells at Cloud" territory.

Nope, no argument so you just start insulting posters and lying, yep sounds like the kind of person who buys that rubbish.

Huntergonzo · 04-02-2020 2:40pm

His degree is pretty niche so I can easily see why he'd struggle to find good employment in his chosen field.

But look, loads of people grow up in rural parts of Ireland and have no problem finding employment, with or without degrees.

Personally I grew up in a semi-rural part of Ireland (ie in the country but near Dublin), I have no degree (I left college early) but I've been in near constant employment since I left college in 2008.

Granted the recession was tough but I've managed to work my way into a good job with plenty of promotion opportunities over the last 5 years. I left my previous job in 2014 and started again with JobBridge before gaining permanent employment.

Moral of the story, if you really want a job, you'll get one and if you work hard you'll create opportunities for yourself.

Moaning though?.....won't get you too far.

mariaalice · 04-02-2020 2:42pm

topper75 wrote: »

A fine work mariaalice. Thanks for posting.

But this poem and millions of others like it can be written in the evening after putting in a shift in a normal job, can it not?

Is there some prerequisite in four full time years of Proust's views on feminism or Dante's religious allegories etc. to produce such a poem?

The best service any career guidance teacher can do for an Irish kid today is to steer them away from Arts and other fluff. They are merely a transfer of money from Irish taxpayers to overpaid lecturers. Probably failed poets themselves. Resources are scarce and the economics is real. The dreaded market is not some punishment devised by nasty people. After you have satisfied its demands and earned your place in this world, you can sit down to the kitchen table after dinner with a pen and paper and create whatever you bloody well like. Even publish it and have people buy it.

Did you see the post about who writes all the scripts for all the media we consume? or who works in all the gigs we see, or music we listen too or books we read.

Without being rude I think your post is ignorant and disrespectful to a lot of people.

04-02-2020 2:43pm

'Flights'..it's probably about man's search for meaning and purpose in the existential questions raised by frequenting the Ryanair Shannon-Stansted flight..

Woke Hogan · 04-02-2020 2:45pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Careful now, there’s a few on here who think the “Arts” degree is the height of enlightenment and not the, giant, waste of time it actually is.

It's a pity you didn't study English in university in order to master commas, inverted or otherwise.

I got to the second paragraph of the article before I read him mentioning his aspirations of becoming a playwright, and rightly anticipated that this discussion would immediately flooded by the foamy-mouthed, middle-aged bootlickers of Boards.ie who believe that education should only be a means to the end of becoming a salary-slave for the multinationals.

I often wonder what it's like to be such a culture-less, idea-less slob. Scorning anyone with interests other than football, drinking cans of beer and fags through their yellow, stained teeth. Fat, self indulgent and snide. They disgust me.

Millicently · 04-02-2020 2:47pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It's a pity you didn't study English in university in order to master commas, inverted or otherwise.

I got to the second paragraph of the article before I read him mentioning his aspirations of becoming a playwright, and rightly anticipated that this discussion would immediately flooded by the foamy-mouthed, middle-aged bootlickers of Boards.ie who believe that education should only be a means to the end of becoming a salary-slave for the multinationals.

I often wonder what it's like to be such a culture-less, idea-less slob. Scorning anyone with interests other than football, drinking cans of beer and fags through their yellow, stained teeth. Fat, self indulgent and snide. They disgust me.

Ah, grammar Nazism and name calling the last resort of the irate who can't handle losing the argument.

bamayang · 04-02-2020 2:51pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/i-m-irish-and-i-live-abroad-why-have-we-been-forgotten-in-election-2020-1.4152683

This article was another dinger from a few weeks back!

mfceiling · 04-02-2020 2:53pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I often wonder what it's like to be such a culture-less, idea-less slob. Scorning anyone with interests other than football, drinking cans of beer and fags through their yellow, stained teeth. Fat, self indulgent and snide. They disgust me.

Wow....generalise much? Why would you wonder what it's like to be a culture-less, idea-less slob if it disgusts you?

To each their own.

Woke Hogan · 04-02-2020 2:54pm

Millicently wrote: »

Ah, grammar Nazism and name calling the last resort of the irate who can't handle losing the argument.

What argument exactly? How have I lost it? That was my first comment on this discussion. You're quite adept at fiction, do you have an arts degree?

Woke Hogan · 04-02-2020 2:56pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Wow....generalise much? Why would you wonder what it's like to be a culture-less, idea-less slob if it disgusts you?

To each their own.

I'm curious, much like how psychologists would be curious about the pathology of practicing paedophiles.

partyguinness · 04-02-2020 3:06pm

bamayang wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/i-m-irish-and-i-live-abroad-why-have-we-been-forgotten-in-election-2020-1.4152683

This article was another dinger from a few weeks back!

Bloody hell. Now I moved abroad in 2010 (I should add not for work reasons but personal reasons and I left a €60k a year job for life in my home town so I was not forced out by austerity) but this notion that emigrants are owed is just downright embarrassing.

Of course "we" are forgotten about...we do not live in Ireland, we do not pay tax, we make no contribution whatsoever to the overall running of the country so why the hell should we be given a second thought.

It seems to be a recurring theme: move abroad and spend your time bitching a whining about it with Peig Sayers crying in the background.

I stay away from the Irish Centers and GAA ex pat types- they do nothing for me and quite frankly they are the most depressing places you will ever visit. They are pitifully sad- usually rural west of Ireland/border county types. As I am urbane and sauve (:D) it is just not my scene.

I stake my mortgage on it that if it was put up to these emigrants that would stay abroad.

The fact that the Irish are so fluid in moving around is a positive trait.

Here in the UK local lads wouldn't dream of moving 2 miles down the road let alone abroad hence you have a stagnant dull insular Brexit mentality in large swathes of the country north of London. What makes UK cities like London et al vibrant is not the locals but rather by the influx and mix of different cultures and nationalities.

Millicently · 04-02-2020 3:08pm

bamayang wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/i-m-irish-and-i-live-abroad-why-have-we-been-forgotten-in-election-2020-1.4152683

This article was another dinger from a few weeks back!

Summed up perfectly in his own words, what bothers him the most is the 'lack of attention''. We have too many things that need to be funded, wasting money on a system to allow voting for Irish people living abroad isn't something we should be prioritising.

Millicently · 04-02-2020 3:13pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Bloody hell. Now I moved abroad in 2010 (I should add not for work reasons but personal reasons and I left a €60k a year job for life in my home town so I was not forced out by austerity) but this notion that emigrants are owed is just downright embarrassing.

Of course "we" are forgotten about...we do not live in Ireland, we do not pay tax, we make no contribution whatsoever to the overall running of the country so why the hell should we be given a second thought.

It seems to be a recurring theme: move abroad and spend your time bitching a whining about it with Peig Sayers crying in the background.

I stay away from the Irish Centers and GAA ex pat types- they do nothing for me and quite frankly they are the most depressing places you will ever visit. They are pitifully sad- usually rural west of Ireland/border county types. As I am urbane and sauve (:D) it is just not my scene.

I stake my mortgage on it that if it was put up to these emigrants that would stay abroad.

The fact that the Irish are so fluid in moving around is a positive trait.

Here in the UK local lads wouldn't dream of moving 2 miles down the road let alone abroad hence you have a stagnant dull insular Brexit mentality in large swathes of the country north of London. What makes UK cities like London et al vibrant is not the locals but rather by the influx and mix of different cultures and nationalities.

I agreed with most of what you said until this part. That's a very broad sweeping statement to make. Given that you are an immigrant in Britain it's understandable that you wouldn't be pro Brexit but you'll find that quite a few people from ethnic backgrounds voted for Brexit because of the influx and mix of different cultures and nationalities in cities like London. Just watching the coverage from Streatham on Sky the other day and the people they interviewed didn't speak English as a first language. That's a big part of what caused Brexit.

There are pros and cons to migration but people don't like to talk about the downside. Like in Ireland, Coveney recently stated that over 80,000 people a year migrate to Ireland, regardless of whether or not those people have skills or are legal or not that's a big part of the housing crisis right there.

Millicently · 04-02-2020 3:25pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

What argument exactly? How have I lost it? That was my first comment on this discussion. You're quite adept at fiction, do you have an arts degree?

You should take a breath, read your posts again then try not to feel too embarrassed.

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 3:28pm

I said this in another thread, there's a strong case to be made for the Irish abroad (at least those who have left in the last few years) to be allowed a vote.

We're one of the very few developed countries that doesn't allow for it. We're outliers in this regard.

I'll wait for the tax whinge to come now. The one thing you can rely on in Ireland is that everybody hates everybody else.

04-02-2020 3:31pm

Yurt! wrote: »

I said this in another thread, there's a strong case to be made for the Irish abroad (at least those who have left in the last few years) to be allowed a vote.

We're one of the very few developed countries that doesn't allow for it. We're outliers in this regard.

I'll wait for the tax whinge to come now. The one thing you can rely on in Ireland is that everybody hates everybody else.

i dont see the case. the "tax whinge" seems not to be a brilliant case for what you propose, is that your full argument?

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 3:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

i dont see the case. the "tax whinge" seems not to be a brilliant case for what you propose, is that your full argument?

It's covered at length in another thread. Basically the case against the vote for Irish expats appears to be 'f*ck 'em, they left.'

Ipso · 04-02-2020 3:33pm

What kind of jobs do people with Arts degrees normally get?

partyguinness · 04-02-2020 3:33pm

Millicently wrote: »

I agreed with most of what you said until this part. That's a very broad sweeping statement to make. Given that you are an immigrant in Britain it's understandable that you wouldn't be pro Brexit but you'll find that quite a few people from ethnic backgrounds voted for Brexit because of the influx and mix of different cultures and nationalities in cities like London. Just watching the coverage from Streatham on Sky the other day and the people they interviewed didn't speak English as a first language. That's a big part of what caused Brexit.

There are pros and cons to migration but people don't like to talk about the downside. Like in Ireland, Coveney recently stated that over 80,000 people a year migrate to Ireland, regardless of whether or not those people have skills or are legal or not that's a big part of the housing crisis right there.

Well you are correct it is a sweeping generalistion. I am angry as hell over Brexit and the sheep who seem to swallow anything the right wing media through at them- put any old ****e in a paper so it must be true. My own in laws included.

But Governments must not be allowed to get away with allowing emigrants to be scapegoated for the housing crisis- by an large it is a failure to provide sufficient housing stock in the first place and leaving it to profit driven private housing developers. What killed housing over in the UK was Margaret Thatcher starting the 'right to buy' scheme in the late 70s and 80s. Hundred of thousands if not millions of Council built properties moved into private ownership and not replaced. Well, private developers stepped in to charge our generation £200-£300k for a house that is outside the reach of most people.

But of course it suits London to allow the emigrants take the blame. Perfect. Off the hook.

I actually posted here yesterday on another thread about my daily battles communicating with people at work when English is not even their second or even third language. I recall a lady here a few years ago with translator and zero English. I assumed she recently arrived but I nearly fell off the chair when she said she had been here since 1987.

Of course being tired and cynical I thought: "Oh yeah no English. I bet you don't. I bet if there was money riding on it you would turn up sounding like Stephen Fry."

But the irony is that the vast majority of non English speaking emigrants in the UK are from South Asia or Commonwealth countries. Nothing to do with the EU but that message was drowned out by a visceral hatred of the EU by the right wing media.

04-02-2020 3:35pm

Yurt! wrote: »

It's covered at length in another thread. Basically the case against the vote for Irish expats appears to be 'f*ck 'em, they left.'

cool, we make arguments tangential to threads by referencing that we posted them somewhere else once now, cool cool.

would the case against the vote for people who dont live in a country not be

"they dont live in this country"

notwithstanding your characterisation of it, which im possibly unfairly dubious of

04-02-2020 3:38pm

Ipso wrote: »

What kind of jobs do people with Arts degrees normally get?

teaching, specialisation in another field with a masters, entry level jobs in fields ranging from large intake competitions in civil service, big four firms and multinationals

anything really.

there might be a few posts decrying the value of an arts degree in the thread, but really its more of a poke at the unnecessary platform for yerman to indulge himself a little more after making a decision to do so already when choosing his masters.

good luck to everyone, do your thing, what? no, no im not particularly interested in your tale of woe about how that hasnt worked out for you, thanks.

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 3:44pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

cool, we make arguments tangential to threads by referencing that we posted them somewhere else once now, cool cool.

would the case against the vote for people who dont live in a country not be

"they dont live in this country"

notwithstanding your characterisation of it, which im possibly unfairly dubious of

Amost every developed country has some sort of mechanism for their expatriate citizens to vote. Only Ireland (and Malta and Greece) appears to take this line.

A little bit of history for you, the vote for Irish expatriates abroad very nearly passed on a private members bill a couple of decades back, only for the incorruptible and moral giant Pee Flynn scrambled to get TDs to vote against it at the last minute for a narrow defeat.

ongarboy · 04-02-2020 3:45pm

Ipso wrote: »

What kind of jobs do people with Arts degrees normally get?

I have a BA. I don't know anyone in my graduating class who entered a career in the Arts. What the BA does is offer a benchmark on your CV that you have a certain level of intelligence, ability to retain information and apply critical thinking for a broad range of general but not career specific subjects. It gives you a head start over those without degrees.

Unfortunately, nowadays an undergraduate BA degree is not enough and needs to be backed up by a Masters or post graduate equivalent that specialises in an industry that will give you employment opportunities. Sometimes people have to compromise with their education choices.

If I studied to be a paleontologist because that is my dream like Ross in Friends and choose to live in west Clare or North Leitrim, I can't really complain that there are no jobs for my qualifications there.

KiKi III · 04-02-2020 3:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

teaching, specialisation in another field with a masters, entry level jobs in fields ranging from large intake competitions in civil service, big four firms and multinationals

anything really.

there might be a few posts decrying the value of an arts degree in the thread, but really its more of a poke at the unnecessary platform for yerman to indulge himself a little more after making a decision to do so already when choosing his masters.

good luck to everyone, do your thing, what? no, no im not particularly interested in your tale of woe about how that hasnt worked out for you, thanks.

Then don’t read that section of the Irish Times?

CrabRevolution · 04-02-2020 3:52pm

Yurt! wrote: »

I said this in another thread, there's a strong case to be made for the Irish abroad (at least those who have left in the last few years) to be allowed a vote.

We're one of the very few developed countries that doesn't allow for it. We're outliers in this regard.

I'll wait for the tax whinge to come now. The one thing you can rely on in Ireland is that everybody hates everybody else.

Why should those abroad get a say in how I live, while I get no say in their lives? Why should they get to choose what happens in Ireland without ever having to live with the consequences?

I'm not saying staying in Ireland is some heroic sacrifice that earns me a vote, but if you leave the country you give up your right to have a say in how it's run. You can't have it both ways.

partyguinness · 04-02-2020 3:55pm

It was a well worn path in my day (mid 90s) to do a BA, take a year out bumming around Australia/Thailand and arrive back to do a HDip out of a sheer lack of imagination and fall into teaching.

Lollipops23 · 04-02-2020 3:57pm

I have a non-degree in Media. I have a decent job (unrelated field), earn slightly more than the median wage in this country, health insurance, pension etc.

These days there's decent-paying jobs for those who a) want them and b) are willing to put in the graft.

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 4:00pm

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Why should those abroad get a say in how I live, while I get no say in their lives? Why should they get to choose what happens in Ireland without ever having to live with the consequences?

I'm not saying staying in Ireland is some heroic sacrifice that earns me a vote, but if you leave the country you give up your right to have a say in how it's run. You can't have it both ways.

Says you.

lainey_d_123 · 04-02-2020 4:12pm

Millicently wrote: »

It's lazy journalism filling columns. My generation who were at school in the 80's couldn't give a great whoop whoop about this guy or any other emigrant/immigrant, we just had to get on with things, nobody gave a good God damn how we 'felt' about things. It was taken as a given that you'd escape small town rural Ireland as soon as you could. You are exactly the type of person they aim this nonsense at.

Grown man gets paid to whinge about having to emigrate so he can write stuff that will probably never see the light of day and you're annoyed on his behalf because people don't feel sorry for him. If you're going to rally behind something at least find a decent cause. I hear the environment is very popular at the moment, seems my generation destroyed the ozone layer with our hairspray.

And your generation's horrible lack of empathy and compassion is a large part of why your children's generation are suffering from horrendous mental health issues and the suicide rate is so high.

The guy isn't 'whinging'. He did exactly what people in your day did - left rural Ireland to try to carve out a life elsewhere. People your age could have put in the same level of effort and ended up with a decent house in London. That simply isn't possible for his generation. And he's not even complaining about it! He's happy to live in a tiny flat that isn't damp and mouldy, work for free and live modestly.

I don't know why so many people of your generation think problems aren't 'real' if the person experiencing them has a degree or a smartphone or whatever other sh1te you think makes their problems invalid. He couldn't get work in a recession and he emigrated. His life was no less difficult than yours.

partyguinness · 04-02-2020 4:33pm

Lads, let's not get too excited. Ultimately it is the IT trying to fill up paper and I am sure it is spun to maximise comment.

Fccwontletmebe · 04-02-2020 4:50pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I have a non-degree in Media. I have a decent job (unrelated field), earn slightly more than the median wage in this country, health insurance, pension etc.

These days there's decent-paying jobs for those who a) want them and b) are willing to put in the graft.

Great post, you don’t need college today to land a great job.

Plenty of courses in your spare time that you can do to upskill.

Whether it’s Business, IT, Marketing and a wide range of others.

Wanderer78 · 04-02-2020 5:15pm

Fccwontletmebe wrote:

Whether itâ€™s Business, IT, Marketing and a wide range of others.

All sound like dreadfully boring sectors to work in, no thanks

LirW · 04-02-2020 5:19pm

Fccwontletmebe wrote: »

Great post, you don’t need college today to land a great job.

Plenty of courses in your spare time that you can do to upskill.

Whether it’s Business, IT, Marketing and a wide range of others.

I am currently in one of these Upskilling courses and honestly the general consensus among students is that doing the full degree is by far the best thing to do and around half will continue to finish the degree.

Ush1 · 04-02-2020 5:23pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

All sound like dreadfully boring sectors to work in, no thanks

As oppose to what? Some vacuous "arts" based course filled with self important "artists".

Wanderer78 · 04-02-2020 5:27pm

Ush1 wrote:

As oppose to what? Some vacuous "arts" based course filled with self important "artists".

Strangly enough, society actually needs self important artists just as much as other self important non-artists

riclad · 04-02-2020 5:34pm

I think some tech companys take on graduates with arts degree,s .
not every one at facebook or google is a programmer or a web designer.I think before going to college people need to think ,what will i do with this degree,
Will it help me to get work. a degree show s you can work,study, retain information .I presume people with arts degree work in tv companys ,library,s ,bookshops etc
1000,s of people in america complete a degree to become a lawyer every year
and end up working in pr or some job that has nothing to do with the law.
we are in a boom now, every company seems to be hiring ,
so 1000,s of people arrive in ireland every year.

How about get a degree where there are jobs instead of crying about it.

Comments