How about get a degree where there are jobs instead of crying about it.

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Ahh well, If we're all going to use personal experience as proof, I supervised the hiring of staff for two companies, and we accepted applications from people with Arts degrees from a variety of disciplines who would have ended up in roles such as Finance, management, Advertising, CRM, logistics.. Once hired, I was part of the mentoring, and training of those applicants, which usually involved a 4 week on site training program. That program would be considered a probation period to determine the applicants true ability, rather than their study/passing of a degree.

We knew that we would be up-skilling people once they were hired... because most graduates had few useful skills and a lot of misconceptions about what was involved in work. This would apply to essentially any degree holder regardless of how specialized they were...

Except, again, for technical positions such as accounting, auditing, etc.

Other companies and organisations I worked for also did mentoring. The stopped hiring arts graduates as they took so much more effort and training. Many had trouble doing a 40 hour week.

They weren't disciplined in basic work. If the civil service has an issue with their output and skills it is really bad. You can be practically be a corpse and get promoted there.

“Meanwhile, I see contemporary artists emigrating again, even now. The promised arts funding didn’t come - it never comes.“

Forget housing and health, his “contemporary artists” are suffering, not getting their handouts.

Why should this “artist” personally get funding?

Why should he not have to compete with others for it, like every other industry?


One must remember two things about these formulaic articles, the rich poser hipster types the IT is trying to cater for and that the subject contacts the IT about their “misery” of the old country, not the other way round.

He is after all posing in his photograph.


There is something so cringey about the victim complex of middle class Irish who go to London, it’s as if they don’t have enough ambition to go to the US and it’s everyone else’s fault.
You would swear they are knee up in tarmacadam or being arrested for their accent.


I don’t buy for one second he could not get a job in a shop in Ireland, when we have record unemployment and require immigrants for our service industry.
He didn’t want to work in Starbucks, at least not near those he went to school with.

The guy and the IT’s emigration generation are not victims, they are snobs.
He even tries to use the mental health card.

The very last sentence gives it away, he’s trying to promote himself.

Self entitled arrogant twat ( he’s not even the worst they have had) gives Arts graduates a bad reputation.

LRNM wrote: »

What is it with STEM people and their raging desire to devoid the world of all art, literature, emotion, humanity and knowledge?

At my alma-mater it was a reaction to all the student politics grandstanding by non-STEM types.



I think the Libertarian Society trying to get in an arms dealer as guest speaker in response to a CAAT motion was a bit spiteful though.

There's a simple reality at play here: if you're from a wealthy background you can afford to indulge yourself and chase your dream profession, if you're not, you need to play safe and study something with good employment prospects.

There's a gender aspect to it too in my experience. Probably as a result of our societal gender norms young women seem to be given more leeway by their parents and peer group to chase their dream career in the creative arts, media etc. whereas young men are encouraged to go for more reliable careers like programming, engineering, finance etc. It would seem a rather obvious result of how our society has historically expected men to be the breadwinner and women to be the primary caregiver: his career prospects are deemed more important than hers as the prospective family unit will be more reliant upon them when children come along.

While attitudes to this are changing, and we all know couples where the roles are reversed, they're still very much the exception rather than the rule and, at least in my experience, most women won't countenance settling down with a guy who can't at least step into the role of main breadwinner for the early childhood years.

vriesmays wrote: »

Does anyone know how many graduates of the National Film School in IADT have actually directed a live-action feature film.

An old housemate of mine did that course and has carved out a fairly successful career as a sound engineer. He mainly works in TV documentaries though as that's where his interests lay (National Geographic / Discovery Channel stuff) but I think most of his classmates ended up in different career paths (finance, IT etc.)

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah, all this talk of lads with arts degrees using them to build a decent career are missing the point..this lad wants to be a playwright..in 2020..

The point is we have failed him, don’t you understand?

Just like I was failed by Ireland when I was wasn’t given a professional football contract.

#notfair#mentalhealth

Your poor choice of degree is the reason you couldn't get a job. Arts is the degree for people who have no idea what they want to do or want the most fun in college.

Universities have some absolute waste of time degrees. I spent 3 years doing one and my wife the same. If I had the years back I'd have done a trade, plenty of money to be made there and your skill is recognized anywhere in the world.

KaneToad wrote: »

People who know and understand the value of education?

Clowns who spend there lives in college. There is no point of going to college unless you are gauranteed a half decent career and skill set out of it. Your better of spending 4 years bursting your bollox in a job with internal promotion opportunities.

How about proclaiming yourself rightful heir to all of earth's onions, then go knocking on doors and shop windows demanding your cut of all sales without taking no for an answer?

How about that?

Fccwontletmebe wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/austerity-forced-me-out-of-ireland-now-i-don-t-know-how-to-return-1.4157890?fbclid=IwAR2qVpxxaaO54E-O2vWFjkhfgRKTRO8Q90BQ_GtLgDVmQTqlgzCGUZuaq7s

Things like this really irritate me. Sense of entitlement culture.

That article was 7th February. Move on dude, move on.