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31-12-2018, 16:18   #4756
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Is BC a real thing or pie in the sky ? I am just dipping in as I have not been following . Is there dates and funding etc ?
It is very real and yes there are dates and allocated funding (can't remember the dates/figures off hand).

That aside BC also seems to be a political playground where some officials throw out all sort of ill-informed "facts" about it via social media.
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31-12-2018, 17:19   #4757
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Is BC a real thing or pie in the sky ? I am just dipping in as I have not been following . Is there dates and funding etc ?
I suppose it is as real as anything gets in terms of new infrastructure developments in Ireland (the Childrens Hospital, BertieBowl, McDowell's super-prison, Dublin Metro and the DART interconnector are, or were all "real" to varying degrees including expenditure of large sums of "real" money!).

This gives a timeline for infrastructure aspect of it (least likely bit to go ahead imo - will cost the most extra money and most likely to create political "footballs" and general public hysterics?).

https://busconnects.ie/media/1366/bu...line-final.pdf

edit: this page gives also gives a timeframe for implementing network changes part of project:

https://busconnects.ie/initiatives/d...work-redesign/

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thanks folks. the amount of wibble wibble I read about it seems to indicate it has the same status as West on Track, which is kind of why I was asking as I couldnt tell whether it was real or not.
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thanks folks. the amount of wibble wibble I read about it seems to indicate it has the same status as West on Track, which is kind of why I was asking as I couldnt tell whether it was real or not.
Yes, not a transport "anorak" or expert, but it seems a bit more serious than that. There was money allocated in the budget etc.

Found answer to some parliamentary questions on Oireachtas website about it. Answer states "Busconnects" related funding as EUR 750 million over the next 4 years (presume mostly for Dublin Busconnects).

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...27_628_629_630
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Irish Times continuing to report on the citywide positives of BusConnects rather than repeatedly reporting issues with individual stakeholders

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...r-in-1.3750076
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Irish Times continuing to report on the citywide positives of BusConnects rather than repeatedly reporting issues with individual stakeholders

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...r-in-1.3750076
Saw that. On the same day The Guardian has this: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...-dar-es-salaam

Compare & contrast.
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It is just after 9.30am at Donnycarney Church on the Malahide Road, north Dublin, where buses and cars whizz by every minute. Some cyclists take to the footpath, as conditions appear safer there than on the roadside.
Who wrote this ****e? Anyone who cycles on the path at that junction is an utter buffoon. Not that I've ever really seen it in the tens of thousands of times I've gone through the junction.

Just by Donnycarney Church is also the point where they already widened the road once so as to have a continuous bus lane and it easily took 15-20 minutes off journeys.
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Saw that. On the same day The Guardian has this: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...-dar-es-salaam

Compare & contrast.
Dar is easily the worst city I’ve been in for traffic. Makes Cairo look like a party.
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Irish Times continuing to report on the citywide positives of BusConnects rather than repeatedly reporting issues with individual stakeholders

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...r-in-1.3750076

The quality of journalism in Ireland has always been poor, it's downright hilarious in it's foreign coverage they will often get the UK right but they get the US and it's politics so wrong it's comical.
They're reporting now how scared Donnie the Fascist should be of Nancy Pelosi and the democrats, the democrats in the US are door mats who are scared of their own shadow (with exception of the new bunch coming in), and Pelosi lost the house to the GOP within 2 years last time without getting any progressive priority other than equal pay for men and women passed. They talk about Donnie getting removed by the 25th or impeached without discussing how next to impossible either of those are to actually do.



With BusConnects though they seem to be engaging in a campaign to actually oppose it.



I got one of the journos alone and asked what in Gods name they're doing with this kind of article, that they know full well the network needs a redesign since their papers done many a story on how stupid the network is atm (number and number-a/b/c on opposite sides of the city, the timetables at stops being from the terminus not when it gets to that stop, bad design of routes etc)


There are apparently a few reasons:


1. It's easy to get something in when things are quiet and you've no ideas. There is always someone disadvantaged by every new plan, go to that minority and let them moan, wholla: article


2. They know the public is cynical about infrastructure plans. Ever since the Metro was first announced by FF then a pin stuck in it by FF (I think Cullen announced the metro more than once too) then canceled by FG then revived by FG, and similar with other plans, that the public is very very cynical with bright new infrastructure plans that are announced (witness the yawn with which Project Ireland 2040 was greeted). Espechally now that we have a Taoiseach who, in contrast to his predecessors treats the job as a purely ceremonial position where he pulls curtains back on plaques and cuts ribbons etc not actually doing anything with the power of the job to fix national problems.
It's not that people are opposed to many such plans, they just think they'll never actually happen because Luas and metro and BRT taught them that these plans just keep getting kicked down the road indefinitely. Journos play into that prejudice with these kinda stories. People love to whine rather than be constructive or positive. People love to judge, judging makes us feel superior and right, so they love those articles because they make them go "i told ye! it'll never happen they'll make a balls of it"


I've also noticed that journos in Ireland love being negative, they'll never give positive coverage to any govt plan no matter who's plan it is. Of course the one area where we could use a skeptical attitude, the business section, you don't get it.
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1. It's easy to get something in when things are quiet and you've no ideas. There is always someone disadvantaged by every new plan, go to that minority and let them moan, wholla: article
Knock on a few doors, find someone who is annoyed, and make the story about them. Takes about 2 hours and you get your words in for the day.

It's the sort of thing you get in provincial newspapers, it shouldn't be in a national newspaper.
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Knock on a few doors, find someone who is annoyed, and make the story about them. Takes about 2 hours and you get your words in for the day.

It's the sort of thing you get in provincial newspapers, it shouldn't be in a national newspaper.
Have you read the Irish Times recently?

Story 1: Guardian

Story 2: Financial Times

Story 3: Reuters

Story 4: AFP

etc etc etc. Rinse and repeat.

Not many are Irish Times. Plus most stories are little more than sound bites.
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Not many are Irish Times. Plus most stories are little more than sound bites.
I think for a paper which prides itself on being in many ways the voice of sense in Ireland, it should balance articles like this with more reasoned pieces. It's not the Daily Mail which measures success with clicks and page views, and loves to stir up controversy as a consequence. The media has a responsibility in a democracy.
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Newspapers often keep stories like this on file to dump when it's quiet, or indeed over the Christmas period too.

Ironically the Dublin Inquirer is a local newspaper, while the Irish Times at least pretends to be a national one.

Despite this the Dublin Inquirer has run the best-informed article on Bus Connects by far!
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Dublin Inquirer is a great example of local journalism that is actually intelligent and investigative. Ireland lends itself much more to local journalism, much less to national outlets.
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Dublin Inquirer is a great example of local journalism that is actually intelligent and investigative. Ireland lends itself much more to local journalism, much less to national outlets.

The IT and Indo and Examiner have three elements:


1. News news you can get on websites the day before, not unique stories they've researched themselves (that is nearly unheard of now and it's why old media is being crushed by online and youtube etc it's why for US politics news TYT and Secular Talk and even the ultra lefty Jimmy Dore carry more weight than CNN and MSNBC for under 35s)


2. Foreign news that I already explained is very very poorly understood



3. Opinion which is never unique or interesting or bringing a new perspective, it's always predictable to a tee what a specific commentator will think on an issue, and rarely does the headline have anything to do with the actual argument they make.






This is why they are dying, there is nothing there worth paying for.
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