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wotzgoingon · 18-09-2019 7:49pm

z0oT wrote: »

You're still rocking an X58 system in 2019?

It's surely a bit of a bottleneck for the 5700 XT now? Probably not so much at 4K though.

I don't see any bottle neck tbh. 6GB's of RAM also. Never ran out.

I will eventually get a Zen system as I have been saying for a few years now but I see no bottle neck so can't be bothered plus I don't game much on PC any more which is another factor. I use my Xbox One X for that.

And yes when I do game on PC it's 4k so you wouldn't really notice any bottleneck and I game on the same 4k Tv on my Xbox One X. So my PC would look better. And also it's only 60Hz. Obviously if I have a higher refresh 4k Tv/monitor and a more powerful graphics card the x58 system wouldn't be a good idea.

Skerries · 18-09-2019 11:58pm

prevents windows from freezing

wotzgoingon · 19-09-2019 12:01am

:eek: Bad taste...

cherryghost · 19-09-2019 12:32am

Annnd it seems my 5700 XT, PSU and mobo have got lost in the post. Missing parcel on delivery (1 of 2).

wotzgoingon · 19-09-2019 12:40am

I'd hold faith it will turn up eventually. My mother ordered something from England a month ago and went missing as well. Eventually it got sent back to supplier so she received it Monday this week.

Contact the supplier and see if they received it back.

cherryghost · 19-09-2019 8:42am

I got onto DPD this morning. It's stuck in a UK checkpoint, due on Friday or early next week. Argggh

K.O.Kiki · 20-09-2019 3:19pm

I'm really digging this Tech Channel guy as of late.

cherryghost · 20-09-2019 4:39pm

I seen this vid the other day. I hate his voice.

My new PC is done woo. Old vs new 3dmark

SickBoy · 20-09-2019 5:38pm

cherryghost wrote: »

I seen this vid the other day. I hate his voice.

My new PC is done woo. Old vs new 3dmark

Yeah I'm kinda in the same boat when it comes to Tech Deals, I want to like him but he just sounds... I don't know, I just can't put my finger on it, he sounds like he is talking to children or something??
Maybe he is catering to that market?

Mr Crispy · 20-09-2019 6:21pm

Reminds me of one of those late night infomercial presenters.

PostWoke · 20-09-2019 7:14pm

So those websites that are cropping up with custom thumbnail images for Steam games that haven't gotten an updated thumbnail for the new U.I.... are they stored locally somewhere, or do they use some kind of online storage built in to your steam account?

PostWoke · 23-09-2019 2:55pm

Looking at addresspal prices in case I want to import stuff from the US or stuff that doesn't ship from the UK... am I crazy or are they much more expensive than Parcel Motel? Are packages from either likely to get stung by customs on top of their fee or is that covered? What do people use in this use case for PC components?

Shlippery · 23-09-2019 4:06pm

Not worth it, what are you looking for in the US? Plenty of good UK/German sites available! https://uk.pcpartpicker.com

K.O.Kiki · 23-09-2019 5:08pm

cherryghost wrote: »

I seen this vid the other day. I hate his voice.

My new PC is done woo. Old vs new 3dmark

Didn't know you could compare side-by-side!

Here's mine (GTX 1080 -> 2070 Super)

PostWoke · 23-09-2019 5:51pm

Shlippery wrote: »

Not worth it, what are you looking for in the US? Plenty of good UK/German sites available! https://uk.pcpartpicker.com

Moreso for when price mistakes happen, or Cyber Monday. Best Buy can have some insane deals too sometimes.

wotzgoingon · 23-09-2019 9:50pm

You will get caught for import taxes if buying from US so calculate that into the price. It's usually not worth it. The only time buying from US is worth it is if you were over there on a holiday.

RossieMan · 23-09-2019 11:42pm

PostWoke wrote:

Looking at addresspal prices in case I want to import stuff from the US or stuff that doesn't ship from the UK... am I crazy or are they much more expensive than Parcel Motel? Are packages from either likely to get stung by customs on top of their fee or is that covered? What do people use in this use case for PC components?

Don't do this as customs is a nightmare to sort out.

PostWoke · 24-09-2019 10:10am

RossieMan wrote: »

Don't do this as customs is a nightmare to sort out.

Shame. Would have to be a serious price mistake so.

Venom · 24-09-2019 3:09pm

Does anyone have any experience of dealing with CCL Computers Ltd? Looking to pick up a GPU but personally have never dealt with them before.

cherryghost · 24-09-2019 4:27pm

Venom wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of dealing with CCL Computers Ltd? Looking to pick up a GPU but personally have never dealt with them before.

Excellent, no issues. Got some NVME drives delivered within 3 working days with them. They have excellent prices too, and their delivery to Ireland is cheaper than other UK retailers. I tried to get my PC build there, but they were out of stock on the GPU for me, went with Scan.co.uk because I was impatient, but I could have saved 25 pound for same spec'd machine if I bought on ccl

mp3guy · 24-09-2019 5:15pm

Venom wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of dealing with CCL Computers Ltd? Looking to pick up a GPU but personally have never dealt with them before.

Bad. Got a monitor from them that looked pre-used and had defective pixels. Took them over a week to even RMA it, sent collection to wrong address first day. Avoid.

Skerries · 24-09-2019 7:25pm

PostWoke · 24-09-2019 8:18pm

IMO as long as you have 16 threads you're ready for whatever next November throws at us. I can't see devs finding a job for all those threads but you never know, their lead platform has been Jaguar cores for six years, they may want to stretch their legs.

wotzgoingon · 24-09-2019 10:03pm

OSI wrote: »

You’re being significantly bottlenecked. I went from a i7 970 to an 8700k with the same GTX 970s and GTA 5 went from low 40s to a solid 60 FPS.

What resolution? I can get solid 60fps at 4k now with my 5700 XT and X5660. It would be much the same as your i7 970. As both were 32nm and 6 core 12 threads. Same cache etc. What clock was your i7 970 running at? After reading your post my Vega 56 would probably have been able to do 60fps if I had a newer CPU.

PostWoke · 24-09-2019 10:21pm

So apparently the motherboard I'm eyeing (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450M-MORTAR-TITANIUM) has two m.2 slots but the second drops to PCIE Gen 2 speeds if there is an nvme in the first slot. From my research that is still about 1500MB/s right? So still worth it instead of just going for a SATA III SSD?

I think I know the answer to this already unfortunately, but can a windows build and a linux build (on different drives ofc) share a 'SteamLibrary' directory on a third, high capacity SSD? Or does Proton not work that way? Or is formatting different across OSs?

wotzgoingon · 24-09-2019 10:54pm

This is the speeds I get on PCIe 2.0

You will probably get better write speeds depending on the SSD you get.

And yes, PCIe 2.0 is far quicker than SATA III.

ED E · 25-09-2019 12:23am

PostWoke wrote: »

I think I know the answer to this already unfortunately, but can a windows build and a linux build (on different drives ofc) share a 'SteamLibrary' directory on a third, high capacity SSD? Or does Proton not work that way? Or is formatting different across OSs?

Windows and nix binaries are totally different. Sharing like that wont work to my knowledge.

PostWoke · 25-09-2019 12:29pm

Dang. Good news about PCIE Gen 2 speeds though.

Serephucus · 25-09-2019 1:21pm

ED E wrote: »

Windows and nix binaries are totally different. Sharing like that wont work to my knowledge.

It's possible you might be able to do this by running the Windows version of the game through Proton. Would introduce overhead, but (if it works) would let you keep the single library.

PostWoke · 25-09-2019 10:09pm

Serephucus wrote: »

It's possible you might be able to do this by running the Windows version of the game through Proton. Would introduce overhead, but (if it works) would let you keep the single library.

Oh really? So instead of whatever Linux distro registering the existence of the hard-drive, Proton would do it?

Can Windows really not register the existence of a Linux formatted drive? They seem to be getting pretty good with open source stuff lately.

The newest AMD APU's aren't Zen 2, but Zen+; so would a B450 board need a BIOS update to run one or no? Good to go out of the box?

ED E · 25-09-2019 11:37pm

It has nothing to do with the drive. Its the code. The code compiled for linux is not the same as the code compiled for windows. Getting windows to mount ext wouldnt help.

Such a setup would be far from turnkey/100% reliable. If you're willing to tweak and troubleshoot then try and see.

wotzgoingon · 25-09-2019 11:42pm

Just use the Windows version as main and then when in Linux(since you can read NTFS) copy over the games you actually want to play

But that will not work as what ED E said the game files would be completely different for both platforms.

Homelander · 26-09-2019 12:39am

OSI wrote: »

You’re being significantly bottlenecked. I went from a i7 970 to an 8700k with the same GTX 970s and GTA 5 went from low 40s to a solid 60 FPS.

Are you sure the cpu was the only factor? An i7-970 can easily deliver 60fps in GTA5. Obviously it's an old CPU and no good for modern games but GTA 5 runs at solid 60 on it very OK. I would not agree with using such an ancient procesor in 2019 for modern games, but for GTA V specifically it's definitely OK for 60fps gameplay. If you were getting low 40's in GTA 5 specifically then something was wrong with your setup, maybe GPU bottleneck or something.

z0oT · 26-09-2019 8:43am

Here's a side-by-side video of an i7 920 vs an 8700k with a 1070 at 1080p with some more modern titles.

It's interesting to see the bottleneck in action, look at the frame rate difference, the frame times, and also the GPU utilisation on both.

The 920 still gets over 60fps, although it would be a big problem for a driving a high refresh monitor.

Cuddlesworth · 26-09-2019 10:38am

z0oT wrote: »

Here's a side-by-side video of an i7 920 vs an 8700k with a 1070 at 1080p with some more modern titles.

It's interesting to see the bottleneck in action, look at the frame rate difference, the frame times, and also the GPU utilisation on both.

The 920 still gets over 60fps, although it would be a big problem for a driving a high refresh monitor.

I see a 10 year old processor still throwing out decent frame rates, which is either impressive or sad depending on how you look at it.

The fact it struggles to hit 50% CPU in some games is another good example of how single threaded game engines are, even today(looking at you Far Cry).

PostWoke · 26-09-2019 11:53am

ED E wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the drive. Its the code. The code compiled for linux is not the same as the code compiled for windows. Getting windows to mount ext wouldnt help.

But if you're running Proton, you're running the Windows version of the game?

K.O.Kiki · 26-09-2019 1:10pm

GTX 1660 Super rumours getting specific

GPU | Shader cores |VRAM | Price | Release date
GTX 1660 Ti | 1536 | 6Gb GDDR6 | $275 | 2019-02-22
GTX 1660 Super | 1472 |4 or 6Gb GDDR6 | $150 | 2019-10-22
GTX 1660 | 1408 | 6Gb GDDR5 | $210 | 2019-03-14

wotzgoingon · 26-09-2019 10:22pm

Well the time has come to throw in the towel for my x58 system. I bought October 2009. So just about 10 years I got from the system. It originally had a i7 920 but it really came alive when I got the hexa core Xeon. Same 6GB's of 1600MHz DDR3 RAM 7-8-7-20-50 1T a few different graphics cards GTX 580, R9 290, R9 Fury X, Rx Vega 56 and currently a Rx 5700 XT that will go into the new system.

I have been saying for years I will get a Ryzen and I eventually got one it may have taking me saying it for about 2 years but I said f**k it why not.

R7 3700X
Gigabyte Aorus X570 Ultra (My system above had a Gigabyte and never had any issues so went with them again, I also got a small bit above middle of the road back then so went with same tier again)

3600MHz DDR4 16-16-16-36

I will transfer over the SSD's so I may upgrade to a fast NVMe eventually. Didn't bother at the minute.

Skerries · 27-09-2019 9:06am

did you do any 3D Mark testing before you upgraded?

Cuddlesworth · 27-09-2019 3:17pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

(My system above had a Gigabyte and never had any issues so went with them again, I also got a small bit above middle of the road back then so went with same tier again)

Can't say I have had the same experience.

wotzgoingon · 27-09-2019 4:06pm

Skerries wrote: »

did you do any 3D Mark testing before you upgraded?

I done many testing different days but I never ran Firestrix with the new 5700 XT.

I only ordered the parts yesterday. Hopefully they arrive at least middle of the week but realistically they better arrive before Friday.

wotzgoingon · 27-09-2019 4:07pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Can't say I have had the same experience.

Really. What problems did you have?

z0oT · 27-09-2019 4:30pm

My experience with Gigabyte has usually been good.

The only issues I've had in the relatively long list of their motherboards I've had that I can think of would be:

Their supplied integrated audio drive causing bluescreens in Windows XP with the 790FX board I had. Solved with a later driver.
The system locking up and failing to boot if an M.2 was installed and CSM was enabled with the new X570 board I have. It was solved a few BIOS revisions back.

Cuddlesworth · 27-09-2019 6:10pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Really. What problems did you have?

3 DOA's on x99 boards, forums had a bunch of people with the same problem.

Headshot · 27-09-2019 7:53pm

I'm getting that upgrade bug guys lol

Tempted to get:
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3

How much would I get for the following:

MSI GeForce GTX 1080Ti Gaming
AMD RYZEN 7 2700X

All bought in Oct 2018

EoinHef · 27-09-2019 8:02pm

Where you based headshot?

Depending on the above Id be interested in the 1080 Ti,for that reason i wont suggest a price but if you do sell let me know what your looking for it.

PostWoke · 27-09-2019 8:19pm

Some Virgin contracts seem to block any connection to torrent programs like qbittorrent; anyone know any way around that? AFAIK they're not really supposed to do that, plenty of legit content is released via torrent, like open source software, and mods...

MiskyBoyy · 27-09-2019 8:29pm

PostWoke wrote: »

Some Virgin contracts seem to block any connection to torrent programs like qbittorrent; anyone know any way around that? AFAIK they're not really supposed to do that, plenty of legit content is released via torrent, like open source software, and mods...

VPN?

PostWoke · 27-09-2019 8:53pm

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

VPN?

I think it's more they're blocking a specific port or something? I dunno if a VPN would get around that, plus it would slow the connection down.

wotzgoingon · 01-10-2019 4:16pm

My Ryzen system parts arrived yesterday except for case and cooler which arrived today. I just kept the stock cooler for now as it looks good imo and with a custom fan curve it is fine. At stock it ramped up and down every so often.

I have it setup to run at 4.4Ghz but it doesn't actually run at that as the bclk when set to 100 goes t0 99.80 for some reason. I'm pretty new to Ryzen so I will have to look into that but afaik it's pretty normal.

I ran a quick timespy bench and again my 5700 XT is not a great overclocker on core.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/8733627

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