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Leinster Schools Rugby 2012-2013 [Provincial Schools Thread Link in Post 1]

  • 15-06-2012 12:36am
    #1
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭


    Decided I'd get in here ahead of everyone else. My enthusiasm remains undimmed for the holy grail of schools rugby after Michael's dismissed the naysayers and trumped over favourites Clongowes in the March decider.

    Schools pretty much have already started training really with their weekly weights, fitness and tip activities.

    Not too much activity to comment on for the moment but we'll see more as time progresses. Feel free to comment if you want to discuss squads, coaches, opinions on the season ahead etc..

    My view: Terenure favourites but 'Rock, CWC and Michael's trailing close. Mightly 'Nure team could win it for the first time since 2002.

    OFF TOPIC MOD NOTE:
    Anyone looking for info or wanting to discuss Provincial Schools rugby in general may find the correct thread by clicking here.

    Who Will Win The Leinster Schools Senior Cup 2013? 239 votes

    Clongowes Wood
    0% 0 votes
    St Michael's College
    11% 28 votes
    Blackrock College
    19% 47 votes
    Belvedere College
    20% 50 votes
    Terenure College
    7% 19 votes
    St Mary's College
    29% 71 votes
    Castleknock College
    6% 15 votes
    Other
    3% 9 votes


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  • #2
    Teferi
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    This years Terenure team have been heavily tipped to win it. I've heard people saying it for the last 2 years or so. Lets hope they are right.


  • #3
    Hagz
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    I'm more interested in keeping an eye on individual players than who wins the cup. The players I'm gonna be watching with interest are: Jack O'Neill, Nick Timoney, Rory O'Farrell, and Harrison Brewer.


  • #4
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    I created a thread a few weeks ago http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78456806
    Provincial squads will begin training in 2-3 weeks time and players will have been given weight/fitness programmes etc for both schools sides and provincial sides.


  • #5
    Quint2010
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    This year will be Terenure's big chance. They have 10 players back who started the semi final against Clongowes. Plus two more back from injury-both of whom would have started. Plus 2 more who played for Leinster. The group have been unbeaten all the way up and won the junior cup 3 years ago putting 51 points on Clongowes and 'Michaels. I honestly think only injuries can stop them.


  • #6
    TheKeenMachine
    Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭TheKeenMachine


    Hagz wrote: »
    I'm more interested in keeping an eye on individual players than who wins the cup. The players I'm gonna be watching with interest are: Jack O'Neill, Nick Timoney, Rory O'Farrell, and Harrison Brewer.
    Billy Dardis, Conor McKeon and Bobby Holland are names to look out for aswell


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  • #7
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    TheKeenMachine wrote: »
    Billy Dardis, Conor McKeon and Bobby Holland are names to look out for aswell

    Didn't know Dardis and Holland had another year. Definitely guys to look out for. Especially Dardis.


  • #8
    TheKeenMachine
    Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭TheKeenMachine


    Hagz wrote: »
    Didn't know Dardis and Holland had another year. Definitely guys to look out for. Especially Dardis.

    Dardis definitely does, only 90% sure on Holland though.


  • #9
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Ormondlad I like your thread as it covers all competitions but the Leinster competition is very big and always dominates boards.ie every year in the rugby forum. Would it be ok to keep both yours and this thread open?


  • #10
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    I think Michael's will be in better shape than three years ago at JCT with confidence (members of winning 2012 squad), superb out half (Ross Byrne) and the general leveling out in terms of physique and skill level that occurs between jct and sct.

    Belvedere haven't got much to write home about next season once more. Not a great group coming forward when you consider the disaster in 2010 in the first round.

    Blackrock will be looking good. They were tipped in the semi three years ago and will have a heap of jct winners from 2011 (notables Nick Timoney and Oliver Jaeger, two physical specimens to say the least).

    Castleknock could be a dark horse. 8 Leinster players from fifth and sixth year. Jack O'Neill will be at his peak at it's his final cup season. This is the same group that were unbeaten till Christmas as J's. They also have a fifth year group that lost only two matches in 2010-2011, one of those being a narrow lose to Michael's. A resurgence is beginning to happen there.

    Don't have much info on Clongowes. Know they were semi-finalists in 2010 and 2011. Presume they'll be in the running but not favourites this time round for once.


  • #11
    TheKeenMachine
    Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭TheKeenMachine


    rugbyman2015 wrote: »
    I think Michael's will be in better shape than three years ago at JCT with confidence (members of winning 2012 squad), superb out half (Ross Byrne) and the general leveling out in terms of physique and skill level that occurs between jct and sct.

    Belvedere haven't got much to write home about next season once more. Not a great group coming forward when you consider the disaster in 2010 in the first round.

    Blackrock will be looking good. They were tipped in the semi three years ago and will have a heap of jct winners from 2011 (notables Nick Timoney and Oliver Jaeger, two physical specimens to say the least).

    Castleknock could be a dark horse. 8 Leinster players from fifth and sixth year. Jack O'Neill will be at his peak at it's his final cup season. This is the same group that were unbeaten till Christmas as J's. They also have a fifth year group that lost only two matches in 2010-2011, one of those being a narrow lose to Michael's. A resurgence is beginning to happen there.

    Don't have much info on Clongowes. Know they were semi-finalists in 2010 and 2011. Presume they'll be in the running but not favourites this time round for once.

    Totally agree re Castleknock, big strong team, favourites for the Js three years ago, wouldn't put it past them to upset a few apple carts.
    It seems like Rock are in with a chance, haven't had much to shout about these last couple of years but they look like potential winners this year.
    However, my favourites would have to be Terenure, 12 out of last years starting XV returning and were unfortunate not to go all the way last year. Look at Brewer, Dardis and Stephen O'Neill to take the title back to Dublin 6W.


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  • #12
    rugbyman2015
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    To be honest, I think Terenure have to win it this year for their own sake. Ten years since their last win and they are very thin on the talent level after this year. If they fail, it could be a while before we see 'Nure pick up the cup again.


  • #13
    Quint2010
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    Hagz wrote: »
    Didn't know Dardis and Holland had another year. Definitely guys to look out for. Especially Dardis.

    Hope Dardis gets moved to out half. He looked really good there in the last fifteen minutes of the semi final.
    rugbyman2015 wrote: »
    To be honest, I think Terenure have to win it this year for their own sake. Ten years since their last win and they are very thin on the talent level after this year. If they fail, it could be a while before we see 'Nure pick up the cup again.

    Agreed. They will be under pressure big time to deliver


  • #14
    amtw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭amtw


    rugbyman2015 wrote: »
    Decided I'd get in here ahead of everyone else. My enthusiasm remains undimmed for the holy grail of schools rugby after Michael's dismissed the naysayers and trumped over favourites Clongowes in the March decider.

    Schools pretty much have already started training really with their weekly weights, fitness and tip activities.

    Not too much activity to comment on for the moment but we'll see more as time progresses. Feel free to comment if you want to discuss squads, coaches, opinions on the season ahead etc..

    My view: Terenure favourites but 'Rock, CWC and Michael's trailing close. Mightly 'Nure team could win it for the first time since 2002.
    I object to this thread it's too early. It's like Christmas advertising at Easter time. Toooo soooon go away.


  • #15
    Gordon Gecko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭Gordon Gecko


    It's do or die for the Gick, that's for sure. At the moment I'd back Blackrock as they'll be coming in under the radar after the last two seasons - all eyes will be on Michael's and the Terenure as the main contenders. Doubt we'll see much from Belvedere or Clongowes and I think it'll take a great draw to see Mary's get anything out of this competition.

    That said it'll all become clearer once the friendlies get under way in a few months time!


  • #16
    Bearcat
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    amtw wrote: »
    I object to this thread it's too early. It's like Christmas advertising at Easter time. Toooo soooon go away.

    I agree.....its ridiculous......park it till October and we can shoot the breeze then.


  • #17
    locum-motion
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    I created a thread a few weeks ago ...

    From what I saw, your thread was nothing more than an long winded and boring debate as to whether or not your thread was a good idea.


  • #18
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    locum-motion wrote: »
    From what I saw, your thread was nothing more than an long winded and boring debate as to whether or not your thread was a good idea.
    Because several posters whinged and moaned about something different being done and didnt actually just get on and comment on rugby
    As i said in that thread all the Munster/Ulster schools play the Leinster schools from september to january and this way all comments can be seen and commented in 1 thread


  • #19
    locum-motion
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Because several posters whinged and moaned about something different being done and didnt actually just get on and comment on rugby...

    My point is that the vast majority of other users appear to disagree with your opinion that there should only be one Schools Rugby thread.


  • #20
    mikedragon32
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    If all you're going to do is debate whether or not there should be threads, then clearly there mustn't be much to discuss.


  • #21
    Fight_Night
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    Hope I'm wrong but I think Terenure have it in the bag next year. Very strong team coming through. Michael's and Clongowes relatively strong too. Can never write off Blackrock. Belvo and Mary's aren't up to much I believe.


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  • #22
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Lads I see I made a mistake in my first point in saying Terenure last won the Cup in 2002 when in actual fact it was 2003. Quint would want to make sure I got that one right ;).

    Just going off the point but how do you edit an original post on this?


  • #23
    .ak
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    rugbyman2015 wrote: »
    Lads I see I made a mistake in my first point in saying Terenure last won the Cup in 2002 when in actual fact it was 2003. Quint would want to make sure I got that one right ;).

    Just going off the point but how do you edit an original post on this?

    Go to your post and hit the EDIT button on the bottom right hand side of the post itself.


  • #24
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    .ak wrote: »
    Go to your post and hit the EDIT button on the bottom right hand side of the post itself.

    See what you mean. Cheers. Only problem was when I went to one of my posts from a good while back the edit button had disappeared but remained on my recent ones. Will know for next time.

    Getting back to the rugby is it true that Nick Timoney was vice-captain of the SCT in Blackrock last season considering he was only in 4th year? They have some unit in Oliver Jager!


  • #25
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Heard that Timoney benches 150kg? What kinda monkeys are they putting out on the field these days? You'd want to back up your physique with performances in my view. Nothing wrong with teams training professionally (very important actually) but skill is something that needs to be looked at if long term we want to be up there with the likes of the All Blacks.


  • #26
    Hagz
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    Already!?
    I haven't prepared for the Leinster Schools 'I heard' comments yet.


  • #27
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Hagz wrote: »
    Already!?
    I haven't prepared for the Leinster Schools 'I heard' comments yet.

    Maybe time to get the mods to ban us using 'heard' in posts from now on. Take everything with a serious pinch of salt they say.

    Anyone know how long the U18 interprovincial comp will run for?


  • #28
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    rugbyman2015 wrote: »
    Anyone know how long the U18 interprovincial comp will run for?
    The u18 schools interpros are generally played in the first 2-3 weeks of september. Some games will be on wednesdays and others on saturdays.


  • #29
    Quint2010
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    Saw Bryan Cullen in Terenure College yesterday. In his profile it says he is training the sub academy but is he helping training the Schools U18 team? Are they using Terenure as their base?..


  • #30
    TheKeenMachine
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Saw Bryan Cullen in Terenure College yesterday. In his profile it says he is training the sub academy but is he helping training the Schools U18 team? Are they using Terenure as their base?..

    Has the squad even been announced yet? I haven't seen it, although I assume the players themselves knew since 4th year


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  • #31
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    TheKeenMachine wrote: »
    Has the squad even been announced yet? I haven't seen it, although I assume the players themselves knew since 4th year
    Leinster unlike the other provinces normally dont announce any of their underage intepro squads until late august or early september right before the interpro games are played.
    If you really want to know the 18s/19s squads you can have a look at different club and school websites where there may be news of players making the squads. For example im fairly sure i heard recent Jack Feeney, an outside back and super footballer from roscrea is in the leinster 19s squad


  • #32
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Saw Bryan Cullen in Terenure College yesterday. In his profile it says he is training the sub academy but is he helping training the Schools U18 team? Are they using Terenure as their base?..

    I think Bryan is involved in general underage conditioning with the Leinster rugby schools. Perhaps it's to oversee player physical development in line with the Leinster demands for when these guys get into the sub-academy and academy respectively. I know that he is involved in work out in Castleknock College too. Castleknock also have Ciaran Ruddock on the books as their weights coach.


  • #33
    thatsme
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    Leinster using Terenure as the training ground for all the provincial school squads this summer


  • #34
    thatsme
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭thatsme


    Forgot to say in my post above Bryan Cullen is the conditioning coach for the Leinster Schools Squad's


  • #35
    Bruce7
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    How much training do these schools teams do throughout the year? Are they all doing off season training throughout the summer, then two training sessions every day during the school year - weights before school and training after school.

    I heard from some of the players in one school, which it wouldn't be fair to identify, that all this is in place, but next to nobody actually turns up for it.


  • #36
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    Bruce7 wrote: »
    How much training do these schools teams do throughout the year? Are they all doing off season training throughout the summer, then two training sessions every day during the school year - weights before school and something else after school.

    I heard from some of the players in one school, which it wouldn't be fair to identify, that all this is in place, but next to nobody actually turns up for it.
    none of the schools are doing 2 sessions every day of the week
    most schools do 2-3 pitch sessions a week with 2-3 gym sessions.


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  • #37
    Bruce7
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    none of the schools are doing 2 sessions every day of the week
    most schools do 2-3 pitch sessions a week with 2-3 gym sessions.

    I was in school in the early 90s and we had 2 friendly matches a week, 2 sessions of circuit training and 3 pitch sessions. The players these days are much bigger, fitter and stronger than we ever were. How are they achieving this if they are not training any more than we used to? Is it all down to nutrition?


  • #38
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Guys do a lot more reading themselves on weight training, conditioning and nutrition these days because of the internet. Access to qualified conditioning coaches is a given these days for the top schools. Guys involved with provincial squads also have access to top quality coaching and expertise to further their knowledge.

    Overall, lads have become more professional each year with the way the competition has become more professional and in a wider context, with the way rugby union has become more professional. A lot of fellas do training themselves over the summer away from school. Turnout is decent at summer sessions but never the same as what turns up for first session in September. I know Clongowes don't even have summer training (not logistically possible). They send their guys out programs and workouts that the boys are expected to keep to.

    Most schools operate summer training from June till end of August but in a sense it's not physically correct to train intensively for 12 weeks. Most of the serious hard work is done towards the end of August.


  • #39
    Bruce7
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    So what are they actually doing differently? There's only so much they can do in one day if they are to recover in time to train the next day.

    It sounds ridiculous looking back at it, but fitness training in my day consisted of 100m sprints at the end of a pitch session, with different expected times for backs and forwards. Circuits were bodyweight exercises or very light weights. The only 'nutrition' was being made to go on the dry but this wasn't for practical purposes.

    Everyone was pretty fit from it all, but the forwards were as skinny as the backs, and our senior cup team was smaller than most junior cup teams are today. There was a hammer thrower in the school who was able to squat 140kg or so, and the rugby guys thought this was a freakish amount.

    And that's just the fitness training. The less said about the skills training, the better!


  • #40
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Bruce7 wrote: »
    So what are they actually doing differently? There's only so much they can do in one day if they are to recover in time to train the next day.

    It sounds ridiculous looking back at it, but fitness training in my day consisted of 100m sprints at the end of a pitch session, with different expected times for backs and forwards. Circuits were bodyweight exercises or very light weights. The only 'nutrition' was being made to go on the dry but this wasn't for practical purposes.

    Everyone was pretty fit from it all, but the forwards were as skinny as the backs, and our senior cup team was smaller than most junior cup teams are today. There was a hammer thrower in the school who was able to squat 140kg or so, and the rugby guys thought this was a freakish amount.

    And that's just the fitness training. The less said about the skills training, the better!

    I couldn't tell you what every invididual school is doing but I do that weights programs are far more periodised and involve different blocks like injury prevention, hypertrophy, max strength and then power using olympic lifts. I've seen so many different forms of fitness training from just classic sprints to fitness styled tip rugby superset with strongman conditioning and functional rugby games.

    Training is short and sharp but it's intense. No more 10k runs, just heavy anaerobic work.

    It's pretty common to see some of the strongest guys in the cup benching 140 plus or squatting well over 150kg heading towards 200kg. Think Cian Healy did close to 200kg squat in 6th year but then again, he was a serious trainer that you only get once in a while.


  • #41
    Rugger Bugger Nut 93
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    Hey we re gettin a bit off the track here lads. But their has been an obscene lack of mention of some of the smaller teams here. Such as Kilkenny college who were put down in their prime last year in Donnybrook by the eventual champions. Although they didnt put up much of a fight! What about Roscrea, the only team to (arguably) put up the only fight against Micheals in the first round of last year. Two of which went on to represent Ireland in the U18 european championships. And how are Gonzaga set for 2013? And Bruce7 the only difference between the then and now is that the jerseys are tighter!


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  • #42
    rugbyman2015
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    Leinster Schools beat Leinster Youths in Naas yesterday 34-7 I think


  • #43
    Quint2010
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    rugbyman2015 wrote: »
    Leinster Schools beat Leinster Youths in Naas yesterday 34-7 I think

    Any idea of the team?


  • #44
    rugbyman2015
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭rugbyman2015


    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Any idea of the team?

    No idea only heard from a friend in attendance. Will have to wait I guess till full squad is named in a couple of weeks


  • #45
    RandolphEsq
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    I wonder how many people who voted picked the school based on who they wanted to win (i.e. vested interest) or who they think will will, based on research and knowledge of the schools. Not that the poll has any bearing on who will win, I myself picked my alma mater, nailing my balls to the flag mast.


  • #46
    Quint2010
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    RandolphEsq wrote: »
    I wonder how many people who voted picked the school based on who they wanted to win (i.e. vested interest) or who they think will will, based on research and knowledge of the schools. Not that the poll has any bearing on who will win, I myself picked my alma mater, nailing my balls to the flag mast.

    I would say most people are voting with their hearts like most years. Most people who follow these threads will know that there is a pretty warm favourite for the cup this year and that is reflected in the voting..


  • #47
    RandolphEsq
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    I would say most people are voting with their hearts like most years. Most people who follow these threads will know that there is a pretty warm favourite for the cup this year and that is reflected in the voting..

    I read the poll results and think 'a lot of boardsies went to Terenure compared to other schools'.

    Hard to look past Michaels if we are using our heads.


  • #48
    Quint2010
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    RandolphEsq wrote: »
    I read the poll results and think 'a lot of boardsies went to Terenure compared to other schools'.

    Hard to look past Michaels if we are using our heads.

    I think alot of people who have voted for Terenure are doing so based on their Leinster representation, the fact that 12 or 13 players are back from last year and they fact the romped to the junior cup 3 years ago


  • #49
    Leinster5
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    From what I've heard, this approaching cup is going to be tightest in recent history. A lot of people claiming that Michaels and Terenure are the teams to beat, but I have also been told that Roscrea, Clongowes and Blackrock have very talented sides. Been told that Michaels have a fantastic pack, much stronger than the Terenure pack. Time will tell if this is true or not. Pre-season friendlies begin in a few weeks time.


  • #50
    fox_1973
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    Leinster5 wrote: »
    From what I've heard, this approaching cup is going to be tightest in recent history. A lot of people claiming that Michaels and Terenure are the teams to beat, but I have also been told that Roscrea, Clongowes and Blackrock have very talented sides. Been told that Michaels have a fantastic pack, much stronger than the Terenure pack. Time will tell if this is true or not. Pre-season friendlies begin in a few weeks time.

    Last years thread was partly ruined with hear says and Ive heard from a friend from a friend type of stories, Its no secret that I may be swaying towards Terenure but Im also a fan of good rugby, at this stage, all cup teams are working hard in the gym and in the field Im sure, and form can only be taken from previous junior cup meetings, previous senior cup appearances and provincial appearances


  • #51
    ormond lad
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    fox_1973 wrote: »
    Last years thread was partly ruined with hear says and Ive heard from a friend from a friend type of stories, Its no secret that I may be swaying towards Terenure but Im also a fan of good rugby, at this stage, all cup teams are working hard in the gym and in the field Im sure, and form can only be taken from previous junior cup meetings, previous senior cup appearances and provincial appearances
    Every years schools thread has plenty of hearsay and ive heard from a friend of a friend type of stories.
    Vurtually every school will have given their non interpro players weights, fitness programmes etc to do before school starts back
    Ive mentioned it in the provincial schools thread but in the interpros Connacht are very very strong this year and the other provinces will be up against it to defeat them in a couple of weeks time.(MODS Could this thread be merged with the provincial schools thread)


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