Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

NIMAN · 04-05-2019 9:39am

biko wrote: »

It's like when Emma Thompson flew 5400 miles to London from Los Angeles to join climate change protests in Oxford Circus

Yeah, she thought her appearance was so important to pollute the atmosphere to attend.

Like the time Al Gore flew all around the world to promote An Inconvenient Truth.

YFlyer · 04-05-2019 9:45am

[quote="Pkiernan;110093787"eliminate business and first class travel.[/quote]

Its the same plane.

NIMAN · 04-05-2019 9:59am

YFlyer wrote: »

Its the same plane.

Perhaps they are hinting that these use up more space, and as a result get less people on each plane.

quokula · 04-05-2019 9:59am

I really hope this thread title just acts as a magnet to the crazies, because if the level of denialism and idiotic arguments against doing anything is as strong in the general population as it is here, we really are doomed.

NIMAN · 04-05-2019 10:00am

quokula wrote: »

I really hope this thread title just acts as a magnet to the crazies, because if the level of denialism and idiotic arguments against doing anything is as strong in the general population as it is here, we really are doomed.

Can I ask what changes you have made to help fight climate change?

20Cent · 04-05-2019 10:09am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've watched 40 years of this climate change nonsense.
Academics justifying their existence end governments using it as a way to introduce new taxes.
Carbon taxes will fix the world,, ye right
Man hasn't been around long enough and records don't go back far enough, who cause the last ice age??
Nobody, the earth will regulate itself with the helping hand ofGod

Doesn't believe in science, believes invisible man in the sky will fix it.

Tell me how · 04-05-2019 10:18am

Think it is interesting that some of the more qualified Boardsies in a position to discuss the environment aren't stepping in to this thread.

To the poster who thinks climate change is nonsense and equates the work of some Phd's he knows as the same as toilet paper, just because you don't understand something, doesn't invalidate it. Same goes for info on climate change.

Shefwedfan · 04-05-2019 10:30am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'm a fifth generation farmer I know a lot about the land and the weather

Just to follow up on this post. You must be a fairly poor farmer if you haven't seen anything.

I grew up on a farm, all that was talked about was the weather. In the 80's it was first mentioned about CO2. So lets take a few changes in Ireland since then

Frost: back in 80's you would have hard frost in October, before November anyway. That would be the proper frost when the white would be white. That is gone. The first frost I seen of any sort was late Feb this year. Some people might say who cares. Well frost kills all little buggies in the air so it stops the likes of flus etc. That is gone. So you have all these colds etc hanging around. Huge pressure on HSE

Winter was a few months of really bad cold weather and then it would be over. Yes it would still rain during summer but we are on an island beside an ocean. Now we have a winter which can run from September to May. Not really cold but just constant bad weather. Why again you might ask is issue. Well nothing can grow. We are in May now and the trees in my area are only starting to come out in green.

Storms, regular storms. We have 5-6 per winter now. Before if you had a big storm every 5 - 6 years it was a big deal. Now people just hope they get a day off work if big enough....

That is just a few things off the top of my head. All because of climate change. This is having a huge affect on everything. Especially on farming.

As I said already, when have you seen farmers letting livestock die in fields because they had no way to feed them?

washman3 · 04-05-2019 10:42am

So are we getting more iodine tablets.?
I haven't used my last batch yet....!!!!!

Charles Ingles · 04-05-2019 10:52am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In a nutshell.

That chart draw by a child with ao marker has completely changed my mindpl
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Charles Ingles · 04-05-2019 10:54am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just to follow up on this post. You must be a fairly poor farmer if you haven't seen anything.

I grew up on a farm, all that was talked about was the weather. In the 80's it was first mentioned about CO2. So lets take a few changes in Ireland since then

Frost: back in 80's you would have hard frost in October, before November anyway. That would be the proper frost when the white would be white. That is gone. The first frost I seen of any sort was late Feb this year. Some people might say who cares. Well frost kills all little buggies in the air so it stops the likes of flus etc. That is gone. So you have all these colds etc hanging around. Huge pressure on HSE

Winter was a few months of really bad cold weather and then it would be over. Yes it would still rain during summer but we are on an island beside an ocean. Now we have a winter which can run from September to May. Not really cold but just constant bad weather. Why again you might ask is issue. Well nothing can grow. We are in May now and the trees in my area are only starting to come out in green.

Storms, regular storms. We have 5-6 per winter now. Before if you had a big storm every 5 - 6 years it was a big deal. Now people just hope they get a day off work if big enough....

That is just a few things off the top of my head. All because of climate change. This is having a huge affect on everything. Especially on farming.

As I said already, when have you seen farmers letting livestock die in fields because they had no way to feed them?

Just normal weather cycles

joe40 · 04-05-2019 11:39am

The last 100 years have been a golden age for human civilization in terms of technological advancements. In general terms every generation was better off than the previous one.
That was all built on the availability of relatively cheap energy in the form of fossil fuels.
That is coming to an end. The climate debate is over, how we proceed is the questions facing humanity.
How do we keep our lifestyle in a world without limitless fossil fuels.
Sometimes I think it just isn't possible and technology will regress, but I also think the technology to move forward will come when there is the political, economic and social imperative to do so. I think that is the stage we are getting to.
Widespread electricity production without fossil fuels is key. Wind, hydro, solar whatever will have to improve and increase dramatically.

wakka12 · 04-05-2019 12:01pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

I am not denying that global temperatures are increasing, or that ice caps aren't melting, or sea levels not rising etc. (although I am skeptical of how significant the role humans played in all of this). But why all the deranged hysteria all of a sudden? Is there new scientific evidence published?

Just 15-20 years ago the only headline grabbing climate change stories were from Al Gore's spurious catastrophic predictions for the future (many of which failed to occur of course). But now there is no escaping it. We are being bombarded with climate crisises left, right and centre all of a sudden, but they don't seem to have any substantial basis whatsoever. Yet the global hysteria is mind boggling, from huge protests, to bold political promises, to no-meat mondays to Birthstrikers (yes, there are women who refuse to have children because there won't be an earth here for them to grow up on... https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/12/birthstrikers-meet-the-women-who-refuse-to-have-children-until-climate-change-ends)

If someone says that the earth is flat or the moonlandings were faked, or 911 was an inside job, we point and laugh at them, say they need to put on their tin-foil hat and then move their thread to the conspiracy forum. Yet, a climate change activist can spew the most baseless claims and they get applauded and put on a pedestal.

Was I in a coma when all this damning evidence came to light? The world feels the same to me as it did back in the 90s.

Personally I am so sick of the complete apathy most people (including most importantly, world governments and politicians) show towards our dying planet, and am so happy to see people finally taking a stand, especially the youngest peple, who will inherit this world. How can you be sceptical at all about human impact? Have you not seen the photos of the worlds beaches covered in plastic? How can you be sceptical about the fact we cut down 7 billion trees annually? Or that we consume 56 billion land animals each year? These arent feelings but facts

Something needs to change, and as for the news, recent reports have indicated that a 'run away' climate change impact is imminent if we do not take drastic and immediate measures to massively decrease our impact on the planet, its why many people are no longer happy to sit by and watch the world burn. Why do you criticise it anyway? Even if somehow, global warming turned out to be some kind of 'hoax', what the hell would be so bad about some people not driving daily? Or using less plastic or paper? Or going vegan?
I really have to wonder about the motivations of people who criticise those making efforts to help the planet, so you want to place the faith of the planet you live on in limbo on the off chance it may not be a genuine issue in case your daily comforts and privileges might be slightly impacted ?
But go on, dont make any personal sacrifices,keep questioning it, Im sure your future children will be proud you did nothing to try and help a planet we all knew was suffering

Tell me how · 04-05-2019 12:03pm

joe40 wrote: »

The last 100 years have been a golden age for human civilization in terms of technological advancements. In general terms every generation was better off than the previous one.
That was all built on the availability of relatively cheap energy in the form of fossil fuels.
That is coming to an end. The climate debate is over, how we proceed is the questions facing humanity.
How do we keep our lifestyle in a world without limitless fossil fuels.
Sometimes I think it just isn't possible and technology will regress, but I also think the technology to move forward will come when there is the political, economic and social imperative to do so. I think that is the stage we are getting to.
Widespread electricity production without fossil fuels is key. Wind, hydro, solar whatever will have to improve and increase dramatically.

Maybe any previous generation could have said the same but the invention of the solidstate transistor was one of the most significant developments in that it lead to the development of electronics products and ultimately the internet on which so much of what we do today is based.

Hard to see what direction a revolutionary explosion of technology would take to result in such global adaption within as short a space of time.

I think technology won't regress as such, but the rate of change will do so and maybe we are entering a period now where the focus will be on the adaption of the utilisation of this technology (such as with AI) in a wide number of ways rather than the creation of new tech. This in itself is a bit of a scary concept.

Austria! · 04-05-2019 12:15pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Do we have so little faith in our children and theirs that if there is a problem that they can't fix it

That's the real sadness not the rising water

Aren't the kids skipping school our children, and isn't this the start of them fixing the problem?

Tell me how · 04-05-2019 12:21pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Fear and control only works on the people when you offer them the hope of redemption
Hence why I call it the climate change cult

Yeah, 16 year old from Sweden is attempting to exert control over the entire world.

I suspect you are causing it a cult either because;

A - you are too stupid to understand what is happening.
B - by calling it a cult you can de-legitimise it somewhat and suggest you are actually on the side of free will and people not being controlled.

Or maybe it is neither A or B, maybe it is C; you just don't give a sh*t about anything which does not affect you right now.

Tell me how · 04-05-2019 12:44pm

This article shows a major problem with the human psyche.

Trash Girl

This girl used to walk to school and pick up rubbish on her way every day. She was taunted and bullied and called Trash Girl for doing so. She has now moved school as a result of the bullying.

She was picking up other peoples discarded rubbish and because she was different, she was picked on and bullied.

I believe that most people are good natured, but, the few selfish, ignorant ones tend to dictate group psyche more than the positive people. Not sure why that is.

Charles Ingles · 04-05-2019 1:05pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, 16 year old from Sweden is attempting to exert control over the entire world.

I suspect you are causing it a cult either because;

A - you are too stupid to understand what is happening.
B - by calling it a cult you can de-legitimise it somewhat and suggest you are actually on the side of free will and people not being controlled.

Or maybe it is neither A or B, maybe it is C; you just don't give a sh*t about anything which does not affect you right now.

Or maybe it's d.
You are stupider than me.

RobertKK · 04-05-2019 1:11pm

The whole approach to the environment is wrong, forget climate change for the moment.
There is far too much of every form of pollution being put into the environment. CO2 is just one, but look at the rubbish dumps that are our seas and oceans, look at the throwaway culture, capitalist consumerism is based on having to regularly upgrade some item.
The whole system is not sustainable.

We need new clean sustainable technology for air and road travel.

btw we also need trophy hunters banned who deserve what they get when a lion eats them or an elephant tramples them, we need to look after biodiversity, we need more protected lands for wildlife.
This is all connected, we need to work for a sustainable planet and we all need a change of mindset, including myself here, not preaching as if I am some saint.
But there is too much pollution, I don't think taxes are helping, they cause resentment. We need a lot more incentives, people react better to getting something rather than it being seen as used for simply extra tax.
I think if we saw carbon taxes for example put clearly aside and given back to the people in incentives for improving the environment through actions, it would go down a lot better.
Currently it disappears into a black hole.

Necro · 04-05-2019 1:15pm

KikiLaRue wrote:

If we stop proactively breeding cows, there would be fewer cows...

Ah so forcing castration on bulls and keeping them apart is now going to be the way forward.

Nah I'll just keep eating meat thanks.

mickoneill31 · 04-05-2019 1:29pm

Necro wrote: »

Ah so forcing castration on bulls and keeping them apart is now going to be the way forward.

Nah I'll just keep eating meat thanks.

Do you really not understand this simple concept?
Who said anything about forcing castration. Is that where your thoughts go to straight away? You think you're helping cattle by eating meat? You're a martyr.
Do you think bulls and cows are just roaming around breeding naturally at the moment?

Hamsterchops · 04-05-2019 1:35pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

If people think putting millions of years worth of carbon into our atmosphere over the course of a few hundred years isn't effecting our planet then you really are thick.

Its not that there's sudden hysteria.... Its that we have already gone beyond the breaking point, and we should be in fire fighting mode now to try to prevent worsening future catastrophies.

...but then again, see my previous post

thecretinhop · 04-05-2019 1:37pm

the absolute arrogance of climate change advocates is vomit inducing.
as pbh said on liveline the debate is over on a debate show!

im sick of virtue signalling fools like varakar on about not eating meat

im sick of being talked to by idiot soyboy pink chino pants wearing Muppets that im the reason the planet is doomed

the idiots are the people that cannot see its being used for

demographic future votes from immigrants

a multi billion per year industry

a section of loons who want man to die as the earth is better without us.

sick of carbon tax.

also the millions that will die in third world, how are they faring now as fossil fuels is their main source hows it working out for them with taxes on fossil fuels???

Tell me how · 04-05-2019 1:47pm

^^^^

You might want to edit that so people can figure out what exactly you are trying to say.
The bit out idiots being used for future votes from immigrants being a multi-billion a year industry reads like Alex Jones stuff.

Sheeps · 04-05-2019 1:47pm

thecretinhop wrote: »

the absolute arrogance of climate change advocates is vomit inducing.
as pbh said on liveline the debate is over on a debate show!

im sick of virtue signalling fools like varakar on about not eating meat

im sick of being talked to by idiot soyboy pink chino pants wearing Muppets that im the reason the planet is doomed

the idiots are the people that cannot see its being used for

demographic future votes from immigrants

a multi billion per year industry

a section of loons who want man to die as the earth is better without us.

sick of carbon tax.

also the millions that will die in third world, how are they faring now as fossil fuels is their main source hows it working out for them with taxes on fossil fuels???

sydthebeat · 04-05-2019 1:48pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

...but then again, see my previous post

Co2 is measurable.

Co2 didn't cause the previous climate events..... As shown by scientific measurement.

Co2 is causing this one.... At Alarming rates.

Its irrefutable. If you think otherwise you simply are incorrect.

This isn't a case of trumps "my facts are different from yours"

Beasty · 04-05-2019 1:57pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM

thecretinhop · 04-05-2019 2:05pm

cheap shots why i never bother much in here. people are seeing through the lies from ye though. im done here enjoy your circlejerk soyfest

wakka12 · 04-05-2019 2:12pm

thecretinhop wrote: »

the absolute arrogance of climate change advocates is vomit inducing.
as pbh said on liveline the debate is over on a debate show!

im sick of virtue signalling fools like varakar on about not eating meat

im sick of being talked to by idiot soyboy pink chino pants wearing Muppets that im the reason the planet is doomed

the idiots are the people that cannot see its being used for

demographic future votes from immigrants

a multi billion per year industry

a section of loons who want man to die as the earth is better without us.

sick of carbon tax.

also the millions that will die in third world, how are they faring now as fossil fuels is their main source hows it working out for them with taxes on fossil fuels???

Jesus, scary how deluded some people are. Much more people in the third world will die if we continue this lifestyle and their farmlands and cities are flooded and swamped by rising sea levels and dangerous hurricanes and typhoons

Anyway, you just dont want to feel any guilt for continuing a lifestyle of comfort, fine, but thats what it comes down to really, you think all the students protesting worldwide is something to do with immigrants or taxes or votes or whatever tf bs you are on about, its not, some people are just capable of caring about things bigger than themselves

The blind ignorance of those criticising people trying to help the planet is much more vomit inducing

Thelonious Monk · 04-05-2019 2:13pm

It's amazing how enraged people get at the suggestion that they might have to change their behaviour a little bit

wakka12 · 04-05-2019 2:20pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's amazing how enraged people get at the suggestion that they might have to change their behaviour a little bit

Yeh sadly, shows how hard itll be to make any impact on the damage we have done to the earth. The only way to make any significant changes will be force people unfortunately, through carbon taxes, banning car travel in cities, etc

riffmongous · 04-05-2019 2:31pm

Hm

Tell me how wrote: »

Think it is interesting that some of the more qualified Boardsies in a position to discuss the environment aren't stepping in to this thread.

To the poster who thinks climate change is nonsense and equates the work of some Phd's he knows as the same as toilet paper, just because you don't understand something, doesn't invalidate it. Same goes for info on climate change.

thecretinhop wrote: »

the absolute arrogance of climate change advocates is vomit inducing.
as pbh said on liveline the debate is over on a debate show!

im sick of virtue signalling fools like varakar on about not eating meat

im sick of being talked to by idiot soyboy pink chino pants wearing Muppets that im the reason the planet is doomed

the idiots are the people that cannot see its being used for

demographic future votes from immigrants

a multi billion per year industry

a section of loons who want man to die as the earth is better without us.

sick of carbon tax.

also the millions that will die in third world, how are they faring now as fossil fuels is their main source hows it working out for them with taxes on fossil fuels???

thecretinhop wrote: »

cheap shots why i never bother much in here. people are seeing through the lies from ye though. im done here enjoy your circlejerk soyfest

mad muffin · 04-05-2019 3:10pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's amazing how enraged people get at the suggestion that they might have to change their behaviour a little bit

wakka12 wrote: »

Yeh sadly, shows how hard itll be to make any impact on the damage we have done to the earth. The only way to make any significant changes will be force people unfortunately, through carbon taxes, banning car travel in cities, etc

We can change everything you want. It won’t make a blind bit if difference. We can be taxed to the eyeballs. Won’t make a blind bit of difference.

Why? Because it’s not up to us. Whatever we change. There will be 100 that won’t.

What needs to change is the governments and the companies that produce the pollution and waist. The companies that package everything in plastic whether it needs it or not. All the waisted food that goes on.

Like I said before. I don’t need to change anything. Maybe the rich and powerful can do without 10 houses that need heating/cooling. There jets everywhere. The 50 car garage.

Climate change is just another excuse the rich and powerful have come up with to keep the rest of us down. Because if they really cared they would all vow to only own one house and one car and take less trips with jets and consume less. But they don’t. And they won’t. And it’s them that create more pollution and conduct more power than any 100 of us.

stefanovich · 04-05-2019 3:14pm

mad muffin wrote: »

We can change everything you want. It won’t make a blind bit if difference. We can be taxed to the eyeballs. Won’t make a blind bit of difference.

Why? Because it’s not up to us. Whatever we change. There will be 100 that won’t.

What needs to change is the governments and the companies that produce the pollution and waist. The companies that package everything in plastic whether it needs it or not. All the waisted food that goes on.

Like I said before. I don’t need to change anything. Maybe the rich and powerful can do without 10 houses that need heating/cooling. There jets everywhere. The 50 car garage.

Climate change is just another excuse the rich and powerful have come up with to keep the rest of us down. Because if they really cared they would all vow to only own one house and one car and take less trips with jets and consume less. But they don’t. And they won’t. And it’s them that create more pollution and conduct more power than any 100 of us.

I agree with you completely!

NewClareman · 04-05-2019 3:14pm

Tell me how wrote: »

^^^^

You might want to edit that so people can figure out what exactly you are trying to say.
The bit out idiots being used for future votes from immigrants being a multi-billion a year industry reads like Alex Jones stuff.

I suspect it is far better being left alone...

mgn · 04-05-2019 3:29pm

Climate change is the new housing crisis plenty of people will do well out of it including the government.The reason you hear so much about it recently is just to soften you up before the next budget when the will increase taxes on everything and try and tell us it is for our own good.

hgfj · 04-05-2019 3:35pm

Hailstorm in Carrickmines . Yesterday?

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0504/1047457-roads-m50-dublin/

sydthebeat · 04-05-2019 3:41pm

hgfj wrote: »

Hailstorm in Carrickmines . Yesterday?

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0504/1047457-roads-m50-dublin/

This morning

mgn · 04-05-2019 3:41pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Yeh sadly, shows how hard itll be to make any impact on the damage we have done to the earth. The only way to make any significant changes will be force people unfortunately, through carbon taxes, banning car travel in cities, etc

Not everybody lives in cities where the have buses/luas/dart/taxis and a gas connection outside their door.
I live in the country and need a car and burn coal/timber because i can't get gas.So you think carbon taxes are a good idea because you live in a city.

Say my name · 04-05-2019 3:41pm

The Chinese have the right idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/feb/04/if-we-have-to-leave-we-leave-the-downside-of-life-in-chinas-park-city

NewClareman · 04-05-2019 4:19pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

I am not denying that global temperatures are increasing, or that ice caps aren't melting, or sea levels not rising etc. (although I am skeptical of how significant the role humans played in all of this). But why all the deranged hysteria all of a sudden?

There is NO NEED for deranged hysteria, you need to lighten up a little. Loosen your neckpiece, take a deep breath, now breath out slowly. Doesn’t that feel better!

Now that you’re relaxed, take your time to review all the latest evidence on climate change. Don’t worry that you are skeptical that it is all our fault that we are on the brink of a disaster. We all struggle to admit that we have sleepwalked into this - leaving a horrendous struggle for our children. But, DON’T GET HYSTERICAL, we adults need to keep calm. We know our children are freaking out, let’s support them, as they fight for their future.

NewClareman · 04-05-2019 4:32pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'm a fifth generation farmer I know a lot about the land and the weather

Well, farmers are in for a rude awakening. Beef production will be decimated, its only a matter of time. The signs are hopeful that Leo will tackle it. If not, the EU will have to - it is simply too damaging to the environment.

The big challenge for farmers will be to come up with planet friendly crops, before they’re all reduced to growing trees.

BarryD2 · 04-05-2019 4:33pm

bfa1509 wrote: »

Was I in a coma when all this damning evidence came to light? The world feels the same to me as it did back in the 90s.

Agree to some extent with the OP, we had snowy winters, hot summers and wet summers and so on back in the 70s &80s. I don't Irish weather has changed that much in my lifetime, though it could if the predominantly westerly source of our moist and relatively warm air masses were to change.

What I do notice though is the large drop in moths, butterflies and other insects. Twenty years ago here, if you left a window open of a summers evening, the house would be full of moths. You'd often be catching butterflies and putting them out in the daytime. When you sat down outside there was a constant buzz outside of bees and other insects. You'd be cleaning off the windscreen and headlights of your car on a regular basis in summer as the country roads were thick with flying insects in evening/ night time.

These have all gradually decreased, to the point where it's quite noticeable. Whether this is to do with changing climate or agricultural sprays I just don't know.

Snow Garden · 04-05-2019 4:33pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

Its May and 4 degrees out lad. This aint normal

May the 4th be with you

BarryD2 · 04-05-2019 4:36pm

hgfj wrote: »

Hailstorm in Carrickmines . Yesterday?

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0504/1047457-roads-m50-dublin/

So? Perfectly normal for this type of northerly air source at this time of year. It's this type of picking random oddities in the weather and saying that it's proves climate change, that drives me nuts!

Brendan Delaney · 04-05-2019 4:51pm

NewClareman wrote: »

Well, farmers are in for a rude awakening. Beef production will be decimated, its only a matter of time. The signs are hopeful that Leo will tackle it. If not, the EU will have to - it is simply too damaging to the environment.

The big challenge for farmers will be to come up with planet friendly crops, before they’re all reduced to growing trees.

Haha no, the EU commisars will not be changing how we live in this country.

biko · 04-05-2019 5:02pm

Lefty main man in UK Jeremy Corbyn thinks UK must declare a climate emergency
His older brother Piers Corbyn says there is no man-made climate change.

Christmas at the Cobryns are probably a little frosty...

NewClareman · 04-05-2019 6:56pm

Brendan Delaney wrote: »

Haha no, the EU commisars will not be changing how we live in this country.

Well given the level of EU payments to farmers they have a pretty big influence.

But, they might not even need to, the tide is already turning. Burger King have kick-started the move away from beef and McDonalds are starting to follow.
Meanwhile, a maker of vegan beef and sausage was the most successful share launch, this year.

Still, the move to growing trees should be far less painful than the changes that are facing our children.

Brendan Delaney · 04-05-2019 7:10pm

NewClareman wrote: »

Still, the move to growing trees should be far less painful than the changes that are facing our children.

Again no. The EUSSR is not going to compel us to stop eating beef or go vegan. We aren't slaves.

Charles Ingles · 04-05-2019 7:17pm

Just replant the tropical rainforests that along with the switch over to electric car's will reverse any damages to the environment

Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

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