Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

Kermit.de.frog · 09-03-2019 2:27pm

The pink killer wrote: »

Its like offering someone money for there car but they don't want to sell it as its there pride and joy but the guy wanting to buy it starts crying cause him and his mates can't get to work in the the new flashy car, ITS HIS CAR NOT YOURS NOW F#CKOFF. !

How many times has it been pointed out on the thread that the application to which farmer is objecting has NOTHING to do with his land?

10 times, 15 times?...

Plumbthedepths · 09-03-2019 2:33pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

How many times has it been pointed out on the thread that the application to which farmer is objecting has NOTHING to do with his land?

Doesn't matter whether it relates to his land or not. He has the right to object and considering the behaviour of the IDA in the past on behalf of Intel it's hardly surprising he's objecting tbh.

10pennymixup · 09-03-2019 2:39pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many times has it been pointed out on the thread that the application to which farmer is objecting has NOTHING to do with his land?

10 times, 15 times?...

Most of us what you are saying....... 10, 15 times ago. The PP sought by Intel is not for development on his land, but to say it has nothing to do with his land is incorrect.

If I have to fight someone to stop them from taking my property, I fight them with everything. If they then seek PP on their own land, I will fight that too, if only to ensure they are not in a stronger position to try take my land the next time.

And with every weapon too, from the important obs like entrance sight lines, to the ridiculous obs like the colour they want to paint the walls.

Mad_maxx · 09-03-2019 2:59pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Doesn't matter whether it relates to his land or not. He has the right to object and considering the behaviour of the IDA in the past on behalf of Intel it's hardly surprising he's objecting tbh.

He's objecting because he's a serial crank

Seth Brundle · 09-03-2019 3:25pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

He's objecting because he's a serial crank

How so?

rayjdav · 09-03-2019 4:24pm

Someone from Donegal can object to something in Dingle, whether it directly affects them or not, that is the joy of living in a democracy and having statutory Acts that everyone, including large multi nationals, have to abide by. What kinda of country would we live in if anyone could do anything they wanted, without due process, and a system whereby the individuals voice could not be heard.
In this kind of instance, if they were refused permission and if they so wished, they could fight this through the courts, after due process has been completed, but they one voice still must be heard, no matter what side of the fence they side on and how abstract the argument.....
When Intel has completed it's mission and Ireland as a resource, whatever that might be

is exhausted, we will still have to look at an empty shell of a monstrosity lying idle in an outcrop of a village. The process has to be good for us and not just an independent international employer for the "short term" gain, no matter what "short term" employment comes from it.

Plumbthedepths · 09-03-2019 4:38pm

Mad_maxx wrote:

He's objecting because he's a serial crank

So you don't think the attempt by the IDA on behalf of Intel to CPO his land has anything to do with his objections?

elperello · 09-03-2019 7:17pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

He's objecting because he's a serial crank

He is not.
He is a gentle soul reacting to trouble brought to his door.

Mrsmum · 09-03-2019 7:26pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you don't think the attempt by the IDA on behalf of Intel to CPO his land has anything to do with his objections?

If Intel wasn't so powerful, there would be calls for an inquiry into the behind the scenes of what went on with this.

greencap · 09-03-2019 7:48pm

The pink killer wrote: »

Its like offering someone money for there car but they don't want to sell it as its there pride and joy but the guy wanting to buy it starts crying cause him and his mates can't get to work in the the new flashy car, ITS HIS CAR NOT YOURS NOW F#CKOFF. !

*parks car across hospital entrance.*

hey! my car, my rights. are we to violate the sanctity of personal property.
just so you can move some of these so called ''organs'' to your precious ''patients''.

CPO's ruin lives.
Up to 3 people per year in Ireland face the heartache of not sitting in one particular spot. Due to corporations employing people.
Many have had to move kilometers.

For just $8 billion we can stop the torment of new jobs arriving, and make sure Tomas gawks out over an empty field.

Please, compromise just 100 jobs per month.
Together we can keep Irelands future bleak.

mynamejeff · 09-03-2019 7:57pm

10pennymixup wrote: »

Most of us what you are saying....... 10, 15 times ago. The PP sought by Intel is not for development on his land, but to say it has nothing to do with his land is incorrect.

If I have to fight someone to stop them from taking my property, I fight them with everything. If they then seek PP on their own land, I will fight that too, if only to ensure they are not in a stronger position to try take my land the next time.

And with every weapon too, from the important obs like entrance sight lines, to the ridiculous obs like the colour they want to paint the walls.

then your a vexatious objector , costing hundreds of people thier potential jobs and the state billions in investments.

your objections should be dismissed and your should be made libel for the cost of defending the case

elperello · 09-03-2019 8:02pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

then your a vexatious objector , costing hundreds of people thier potential jobs and the state billions in investments.

your objections should be dismissed and your should be made libel for the cost of defending the case

A planning objection which is vexatious will be dealt with in short order by the planning authority.

Seth Brundle · 09-03-2019 8:20pm

elperello wrote: »

A planning objection which is vexatious will be dealt with in short order by the planning authority.

Just to clarify, his objection makes reference to both an NHA and an SPA (designated under the EU Birds Directive).
His points are legitimate even if people think that he is a crank!

cursai · 09-03-2019 8:30pm

Would Intel not just send someone down to him to give him 'the ride'.

Cause that's all he's lacking.

10pennymixup · 09-03-2019 8:32pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

then your a vexatious objector , costing hundreds of people thier potential jobs and the state billions in investments.

your objections should be dismissed and your should be made libel for the cost of defending the case

How do you decide what's vexatious? How do you prove malice in making an ob?

Why would you want to take away the right of every citizen to make a PP ob, by holding the threat of fines or civil court costs over them?

Any obs not worth the consideration of the planners can be deemed invalid by the planners, that's their job and decision. And all done within the time frame and protocol of the planning process, so I'm not exactly sure even where these "costs" are coming from.

PS I was going to correct all the mistakes in your post, but refrained. It's easier to take a poster less seriously when you can see they haven't put any real effort into their post.

cursai · 09-03-2019 9:00pm

Seriously though. 'The ride'?

Seth Brundle · 09-03-2019 9:33pm

cursai wrote: »

Seriously though. 'The ride'?

Are you questioning your own adolescent suggestion?

Mad_maxx · 09-03-2019 10:51pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you don't think the attempt by the IDA on behalf of Intel to CPO his land has anything to do with his objections?

Countless farmers were CPO, d down the years, vast majority took the generous compensation and rebought elsewhere

Plumbthedepths · 09-03-2019 11:28pm

Mad_maxx wrote:

Countless farmers were CPO, d down the years, vast majority took the generous compensation and rebought elsewhere

For the public good, not for a private company. Try again.

greencap · 09-03-2019 11:34pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

For the public good, not for a private company. Try again.

Major economic boost = public good.

Plumbthedepths · 09-03-2019 11:51pm

greencap wrote:

Major economic boost = public good.

I suggest you educate yourself as to the propose of a CPO. CPO is not allowed for the benefit of a private company. Try again.;-)

Mrsmum · 10-03-2019 12:03am

greencap wrote: »

Major economic boost = public good.

Reading about it there and it was the first CPO the IDA did since 1988 and even though it was blatantly obvious it was for Intel, the IDA couldn't even be honest enough to say that but instead stated they had no immediate use for the farm. No immediate use (going on what they said) does not equal needed so badly for the public good that it had to be CPOed. That's why he won and they lost.

greencap · 10-03-2019 12:41am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I suggest you educate yourself as to the propose of a CPO. CPO is not allowed for the benefit of a private company. Try again.;-)

Its like a Turkey being smug about Christmas.

Hopefully Intel can re-design the facility, and still have the patience to go ahead with it.

That way Intel can have its facility, people can have jobs, the area can grow, and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.

Plumbthedepths · 10-03-2019 12:57am

greencap wrote:

That way Intel can have its facility, people can have jobs, the area can grow, and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.

He's already well known, plus it's no harm letting big companies know they can't always have what they want.

Seth Brundle · 10-03-2019 1:00am

greencap wrote: »

...and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.

From talking to people around the area (as I live in the area), most are aware of him and agree with him!

10pennymixup · 10-03-2019 11:22am

greencap wrote: »

.......................................................................................................................That way Intel can have its facility, people can have jobs, the area can grow, and Worzel can keep his field, ... and be well known around town.

He is well known, and his story good enough to be made into an award winning cinema released movie. Released internationally in several languages.

And Worzel was the scarecrow, not the farmer. You should have known that Aunt Polly. greencap.

amadangomor · 10-03-2019 1:18pm

dresden8 wrote: »

Rich man says "Gimme".

We are obliged to give.

Nah, I don't think so.

I work there and this will guarantee me and 1000s of others work for years to come. I'm certainly not rich.

cursai · 10-03-2019 1:31pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Are you questioning your own adolescent suggestion?

Lol. You so mature. You stink of cheddar and pipesmoke.

greencap · 10-03-2019 8:47pm

10pennymixup wrote: »

He is well known, and his story good enough to be made into an award winning cinema released movie. Released internationally in several languages.

And Worzel was the scarecrow, not the farmer. You should have known that Aunt Polly. greencap.

Great. Now he's Braveheart.

No wonder the Irish diaspora is so big.

Ardillaun · 10-03-2019 10:19pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yet again the article refers to dogs worrying sheep. Says it all when you refer to others as 'loons'. Sense of entitlement? You don't really understand property rights do you?

I understand that property rights don’t include ‘talking’ to people on public roads while carrying a firearm.

Plumbthedepths · 10-03-2019 11:12pm

Ardillaun wrote:

I understand that property rights donâ€™t include â€˜talkingâ€™ to people on public roads while carrying a firearm.

Have you a point at all, or another irrelevant article?

sbsquarepants · 11-03-2019 9:14am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Wait, what about the whole "enormous effect on the economy and country as a whole" thing?

Exactly - what about it?

Do you think Intel has not benefited from their stint in Ireland?
Why do you think they're here - some misty eyed sentimentality on the part of Gordon Moore to help out the old country?

It's simply a commercial relationship, at the minute it's mutually beneficial and as soon as it isn't one side will tell the other to bounce on.

Neither side is doing any favours, neither side owes the other anything. Intel get a damn better deal from Ireland than they'd get from France or Germany or any of our European "friends". Quite simply that is why they're here, anyone who can't see that needs an urgent trip to specsavers!

We are not beholden - we shouldn't act like we are.

greencap wrote: »

No its not, thankfully.

Just the same as if there was someone who owned a square meter in the path of the m50 they would have got some compensation and a wave off, I'm hoping this particular case gets the same treatment.

A whole country shouldn't have to miss out over one gobshytes nostalgia for a random field.

A whole country did not miss out - a single foreign company had to slightly re-jig their plans. Don't be so melodramatic!

topper75 · 11-03-2019 10:28am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Are you questioning your own adolescent suggestion?

cursai wrote: »

Lol. You so mature. You stink of cheddar and pipesmoke.

Come on now both of you. Everyone knows that pipesmoke is a teenage thing nowadays.

ifElseThen · 11-03-2019 10:36am

Can they not CPO the bank of land to the north of the existing facility?

https://www.google.com/maps/search/intel/@53.3761187,-6.5335796,656m/data=!3m1!1e3

amadangomor · 11-03-2019 11:00am

ifElseThen wrote: »

Can they not CPO the bank of land to the north of the existing facility?

https://www.google.com/maps/search/intel/@53.3761187,-6.5335796,656m/data=!3m1!1e3

That's the Rye river valley, wouldn't be possible to build there as it's too hilly and would stop any connection to the land further North.

There was a lot of land for sale to the South across the road, canal and railway track, surprised they did not go for it. Maybe it was too disconnected from the rest of the site but surely a bridge could have been built.

Ardillaun · 22-03-2019 1:23am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Have you a point at all, or another irrelevant article?

I responded to your post.

Squatter · 20-05-2019 5:52pm

Round One goes to Intel.

No doubt Farmer Tom will be soon heading up to ABP on his turbo-charged 1957 Massey-Ferguson!

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/courts/council-gives-green-light-to-4bn-intel-plan-in-spite-of-farmers-objection-38129885.html

Infini · 20-05-2019 10:51pm

The only thing I wonder bout the farmer though is he not seing because they're trying to sell him short or simply because hes stubborn because if they're trying to cheat him out of the value of his land Id say fair enough but if they are willing to buy out for a price above its value + costs for moving wouldnt it be easier to move instead?

As for the other guy if hes being an objector troll or doing it to basically act the bollocks he should be ignored simply because his intentions are malicious.

Seth Brundle · 20-05-2019 11:32pm

Infini wrote: »

The only thing I wonder bout the farmer though is he not seing because they're trying to sell him short or simply because hes stubborn because if they're trying to cheat him out of the value of his land Id say fair enough but if they are willing to buy out for a price above its value + costs for moving wouldnt it be easier to move instead?

As for the other guy if hes being an objector troll or doing it to basically act the bollocks he should be ignored simply because his intentions are malicious.

You are making the mistake that he os holding out for money or something. He's not!
He may be eccentric but he's no fool and he is a farmer through and through who doesn't want to leave his land!

Mike9832 · 21-05-2019 1:02am

State of him

You'd think with all his millions he could cut that hair/wig and clean the **** off his jacket

ChikiChiki · 21-05-2019 1:17am

Passed Thomas Reid the other night outside Carton House on his bike cycling the pitch dark. A lonely life the man must live. I don't believe he is malicious. He's set in his ways and a farmer through and through. Can't fault him for that but jobs creation must win here.

McMurphy · 21-05-2019 6:37am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok, I removed the "crazy" comment.

BUT...they didn't CPO his land so why is he objecting then???

That's like excusing someone because they attempted to murder you.

Just get over it.

Seth Brundle · 21-05-2019 8:37am

Mike9832 wrote: »

State of him

You'd think with all his millions he could cut that hair/wig and clean the **** off his jacket

Have you considered that maybe he is happy with how he looks and lives?
Typical Irish begrudgery! :rolleyes:

Dakota Dan · 21-05-2019 8:42am

Mike9832 wrote: »

State of him

You'd think with all his millions he could cut that hair/wig and clean the **** off his jacket

Good man.

Ush1 · 21-05-2019 8:45am

Farmer through and through, what does he farm exactly?

Seth Brundle · 21-05-2019 8:51am

Ush1 wrote: »

Farmer through and through, what does he farm exactly?

Beef although I'm unsure how it is relevant.

SirGerryAdams · 21-05-2019 9:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

if one fella needs to have a cpo hit him for 8bn to be invested then that is exactly what should happen

Is that what it's all about now? Investment?

When did we lose all perspective in search of MORE JOBS. I feel like any announcement of new jobs is met with applause as if we're a country that has no jobs.

We already have a tight labour market, low unemployment. Where do we get the employees? Foreigners?

These types of investment increase population in cities who don't have the infrastructure to deal with it, or the public transport facilities.

SirGerryAdams · 21-05-2019 9:06am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Can't fault him for that but jobs creation must win here.

Why? Are we stuck for jobs? Is that the main aim of things now, to get more jobs?

Old Perry · 21-05-2019 9:14am

The jobs will be made regardless of his land being cpo'd or not, as will the 8bn investment. it's all ready happening. they want his land as it suits the site logistically, in reality they don't necessarily need it and can and will make do somewhere else if needed.

Del2005 · 21-05-2019 9:19am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You are making the mistake that he os holding out for money or something. He's not!
He may be eccentric but he's no fool and he is a farmer through and through who doesn't want to leave his land!

Have you seen the state of his place? He owns land and cattle, but a farmer though and through he isn't.

Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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