N2 - Ashbourne to Kilmoon Cross [route options published]

marno21 · 05-01-2018 5:51pm #1

TII have allocated €25k to begin work on a new major scheme between Ashbourne and Kilmoon Cross on the N2.

Given traffic volumes, this will either be motorway standard or 2+2 dual carriageway standard.

marno21 · 12-02-2019 11:09pm

Shane Ross confirmed today that this scheme will be 6km long and that Meath County Council are now procuring consultants to advance this through planning and design.

Donegal Storm · 13-02-2019 12:27am

Assuming Kilmoon Cross is the traffic lights by Ratoath? The existing road is already very straight and flat so should be fairly straight forward to upgrade

Pete_Cavan · 13-02-2019 9:39am

Will it be an online upgrade?

lovelyhurler · 13-02-2019 11:13am

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Assuming Kilmoon Cross is the traffic lights by Ratoath? The existing road is already very straight and flat so should be fairly straight forward to upgrade

Kilmoon, is the next junction on from that - the turn off for Duleek/Drogheda.

marno21 · 13-02-2019 1:37pm

It's hard to say what'll be done here yet. AADT along this stretch is 15-16k, bearing in mind the upper limit for capacity of a 2+2 is around 20k they may go straight to motorway here and extend the M2 past Kilmoon Cross. This would involve grade seperating the Rath Roundabout also.

We may get more clarity on this later in the year when options are published.

lucernarian · 14-02-2019 2:53pm

marno21 wrote: »

It's hard to say what'll be done here yet. AADT along this stretch is 15-16k, bearing in mind the upper limit for capacity of a 2+2 is around 20k they may go straight to motorway here and extend the M2 past Kilmoon Cross. This would involve grade seperating the Rath Roundabout also.

We may get more clarity on this later in the year when options are published.

I could see that ballooning given there's two toll routes in relatively close proximity and a Motorway upgrade would cannibalise some of that traffic. Not a bad idea considering capacity issues on the M1 and N3 tbh

Kermit.de.frog · 14-02-2019 2:54pm

If it's only 6 kms they should just extend the M2. Wouldn't cost much extra expense.

spacetweek · 20-02-2019 9:34pm

lucernarian wrote: »

I could see that ballooning given there's two toll routes in relatively close proximity and a Motorway upgrade would cannibalise some of that traffic. Not a bad idea considering capacity issues on the M1 and N3 tbh

Erm, it's not the government's responsibility to protect toll revenue for private companies.

marno21 · 20-02-2019 10:16pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Erm, it's not the government's responsibility to protect toll revenue for private companies.

Where's the railway to Navan?

It isn't their responsibility, but they will still do it without saying.

L1011 · 21-02-2019 9:04am

The state has to subsidise a minimum traffic guarantee on the M3. It was expected to reach those minimum levels soon enough but any potential return to needing to would have to be factored in to costs

Pete_Cavan · 21-02-2019 11:08am

L1011 wrote: »

The state has to subsidise a minimum traffic guarantee on the M3. It was expected to reach those minimum levels soon enough but any potential return to needing to would have to be factored in to costs

It's not a subsidy though. The state was always going to be required to pay the full cost of building the road (plus maintenance for 30 years as part of the PPP), just that money was to come from the toll revenue in the first instance and exchequer funds for the balance. If there is a subsidy, the toll payers are subsidising the exchequer.

L1011 · 21-02-2019 1:51pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It's not a subsidy though. The state was always going to be required to pay the full cost of building the road (plus maintenance for 30 years as part of the PPP), just that money was to come from the toll revenue in the first instance and exchequer funds for the balance. If there is a subsidy, the toll payers are subsidising the exchequer.

Only two toll road projects have minimum traffic guarantees and neither are based on the basis you suppose there. And tolls aren't paid by "the state" anyway.

The N25 Waterford Bypass is very, very likely to end up in a massive deficit for the consortium - but it has no guarantee.

Pete_Cavan · 21-02-2019 2:12pm

L1011 wrote: »

Only two toll road projects have minimum traffic guarantees and neither are based on the basis you suppose there. And tolls aren't paid by "the state" anyway.

What do you think the basis I suppose is? I never said that tolls are paid by the state.

Carawaystick · 25-02-2019 8:45pm

Pete_Cavan wrote:

The state was always going to be required to pay the full cost of building the road (plus maintenance for 30 years as part of the PPP), just that money was to come from the toll revenue in the first instance and exchequer funds for the balance

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I never said that tolls are paid by the state.

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Will the new scheme provide safe cycling infrastructure from Ashbourne northwards?

BelfastVanMan · 25-02-2019 9:27pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Pete_Cavan wrote:

The state was always going to be required to pay the full cost of building the road (plus maintenance for 30 years as part of the PPP), just that money was to come from the toll revenue in the first instance and exchequer funds for the balance

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I never said that tolls are paid by the state.

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Will the new scheme provide safe cycling infrastructure from Ashbourne northwards?

Ideally, the old road could be made into a pseudo-type 3 single carriageway, by sacrificing the (narrow) hard shoulders, and with the reduced 80kph limit that will come with the downgrade to presumably the R135, that should suffice.

BelfastVanMan · 25-02-2019 9:28pm

Forgot to add that this would mean segregated foot/cyclepaths. Much like the new sections of N86 in Kerry. But with a lower 80kph speed limit.

Pete_Cavan · 26-02-2019 11:26am

Carawaystick wrote: »

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I hope you aren't suggesting that "money was to come from the toll revenue" means that the state pay the tolls.

Irish Steve · 03-03-2019 12:58am

Given the volumes using the N2 now, there is a strong case to be made for extending the M2, which will involve an upgrade or replacement of the existing Pillo Hotel junction, putting in a dedicated junction/access for Tayto Park that does not use the inadequate existing local roads, and extending the motorway to beyond Kilmoon Cross, with a sensible junction structure for the Drogheda road, and given the proximity of the next scheme North, the Slane Bypass, it would make sense to ensure that the link between the 2 schemes is appropriate.

Unfortunately, consultants are notoriously bad at listening to local knowledge and experience, and the result is a solution that is subsequently found to be inadequate, as has been found with the access to the M2 from Ratoath, and Ashbourne, which could have been put in with a much more effective solution than the mess that became the 9 Mile Stone roundabout.

marno21 · 03-03-2019 1:56am

Irish Steve wrote: »

Given the volumes using the N2 now, there is a strong case to be made for extending the M2, which will involve an upgrade or replacement of the existing Pillo Hotel junction, putting in a dedicated junction/access for Tayto Park that does not use the inadequate existing local roads, and extending the motorway to beyond Kilmoon Cross, with a sensible junction structure for the Drogheda road, and given the proximity of the next scheme North, the Slane Bypass, it would make sense to ensure that the link between the 2 schemes is appropriate.

Unfortunately, consultants are notoriously bad at listening to local knowledge and experience, and the result is a solution that is subsequently found to be inadequate, as has been found with the access to the M2 from Ratoath, and Ashbourne, which could have been put in with a much more effective solution than the mess that became the 9 Mile Stone roundabout.

It seems to me that the plan is to extend the M2 from it's current terminus to north of Kilmoon Cross with the appropriate junctions along the way.

Have you heard otherwise?

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2019 3:14am

Slane could also be M2 then? Logical.

Or that would be a bit too sensible?

marno21 · 03-03-2019 3:23am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Slane could also be M2 then? Logical.

Or that would be a bit too sensible?

No. Volumes at Slane are too low for motorway.

The original plan for the N2 was to divert traffic to the M1 from Dublin to Ardee. This short section is being progressed due to safety concerns and high volumes along the route. It's short and cheap.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2019 3:44am

What a load of nonsense. Large parts of the US interstate network are way below volume....didn't stop them being built. The destination is the important thing.

Build the motorway past Slane (wide median of course) and then to the border to Derry.

Slane will soon be Dublin suburb so makes COMPLETE sense to build motorway now.

marno21 · 03-03-2019 3:48am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What a load of nonsense. Large parts of the US interstate network are way below volume....didn't stop them being built. The destination is the important thing.

Build the motorway past Slane (wide median of course) and then to the border to Derry.

Slane will soon be Dublin suburb so makes COMPLETE sense to build motorway now.

Slane is not in the US. There are design standards for Irish roads and building motorways to carry that volume of traffic will not pass the required project appraisal criteria.

Unless subsequent posts are to do with the N2 Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross, in line with reality and Irish design standards, please start another thread for fantasies.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2019 4:00am

marno21 wrote: »

Slane is not in the US. There are design standards for Irish roads and building motorways to carry that volume of traffic will not pass the required project appraisal criteria.

Unless subsequent posts are to do with the N2 Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross, in line with reality and Irish design standards, please start another thread for fantasies.

I'll deal with real life reality, thank you very much :rolleyes:

What i'm saying is common sense and you are mod of a ROAD forum :cool:

Bigger, better, faster roads. No need for a new thread. It applies to the N2 as any other national route.

BelfastVanMan · 03-03-2019 10:38am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

marno21 wrote: »

Slane is not in the US. There are design standards for Irish roads and building motorways to carry that volume of traffic will not pass the required project appraisal criteria.

Unless subsequent posts are to do with the N2 Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross, in line with reality and Irish design standards, please start another thread for fantasies.

I'll deal with real life reality, thank you very much :rolleyes:

What i'm saying is common sense and you are mod of a ROAD forum :cool:

Bigger, better, faster roads. No need for a new thread. It applies to the N2 as any other national route.

Dear Lord....

Donegal Storm · 03-03-2019 11:01am

You could make the argument that the reason traffic is so low north of Slane is simply because of Slane and Ardee being so awkward to get through, provide a bypass of both and suddenly traffic might be a lot closer to needing a motorway.

Irish Steve · 03-03-2019 4:37pm

marno21 wrote: »

It seems to me that the plan is to extend the M2 from it's current terminus to north of Kilmoon Cross with the appropriate junctions along the way.

Have you heard otherwise?

Nothing official, it's way too early for that level of information, but living locally, it's not too hard to see where the pressure points are, and what needs to be addressed with a long term view, rather than a sticking plaster fix that doesn't provide a result.

There are significant plans in the making for Tayto Park, both in terms of additional attractions, and (hopefully) a hotel/conference facility, both of which will increase the already significant traffic to and from the Park, and the local roads are already over loaded. The Hotel plan was withdrawn a while ago because of the traffic issues, and from what's been seen locally, it would be a super additional resource and employment for the local area when constructed.

The Primatestown junction (in the middle of the section) is already over capacity by a significant factor, and causes long delays at peak periods, and that's without any incidents. There is very little space around that pinch point for widening or realignment, so a different solution will be needed, and finding a different route will be tricky due to the topography to the east of the N2 and ribbon development to the west.

Kilmoon cross junction is at present an accident black spot due to the high speeds on the N2, and the volume of traffic coming from Drogheda, so that has to change, and a significant volume for Navan uses the N2 as far as the Kentstown junction, which is another difficult junction safety wise.

From there to Slane, it will need a review to ensure compatibility with the Slane Bypass, but the volumes are not massive over that section, so a less significant problem.

roadmaster · 03-03-2019 7:08pm

Irish Steve wrote: »

Nothing official, it's way too early for that level of information, but living locally, it's not too hard to see where the pressure points are, and what needs to be addressed with a long term view, rather than a sticking plaster fix that doesn't provide a result.

There are significant plans in the making for Tayto Park, both in terms of additional attractions, and (hopefully) a hotel/conference facility, both of which will increase the already significant traffic to and from the Park, and the local roads are already over loaded. The Hotel plan was withdrawn a while ago because of the traffic issues, and from what's been seen locally, it would be a super additional resource and employment for the local area when constructed.

The Primatestown junction (in the middle of the section) is already over capacity by a significant factor, and causes long delays at peak periods, and that's without any incidents. There is very little space around that pinch point for widening or realignment, so a different solution will be needed, and finding a different route will be tricky due to the topography to the east of the N2 and ribbon development to the west.

Kilmoon cross junction is at present an accident black spot due to the high speeds on the N2, and the volume of traffic coming from Drogheda, so that has to change, and a significant volume for Navan uses the N2 as far as the Kentstown junction, which is another difficult junction safety wise.

From there to Slane, it will need a review to ensure compatibility with the Slane Bypass, but the volumes are not massive over that section, so a less significant problem.

For safety reasons alone they should have Type 2 carriage way from the end of the kilmoon project to the Slane bypass

Irish Steve · 04-03-2019 1:33am

I can see some serious objections being raised to a type 2 all the way to Slane, there are a lot of minor roads and premises in the section beyond Kentstown that would have problems with a central median closure, and there are also a lot of field access points that would be problematic. That said, it would seem to me to be the right solution, there is no way that the volumes on the N2 are going to decrease with time.

I just hope that the consultants who are tasked with preparing the report do take on board the local comments and opinions, when the M2 was planned, they completely ignored the local comments about the provision of an interchange to serve the Ratoath road, with the result of massive rat run traffic now going through Baltrasna to and from the Nine Mile Stone interchange, on a road that is totally unsuitable for the volumes that are using it, which is now causing problems with pedestrian safety. At that time, it would also have been very easy, and helpful to put a feeder road from the Ratoath Road in to the Ashborune side, which would have made future developments on the west of the town a lot easier to manage.

marno21 · 04-03-2019 1:39am

It looks like this scheme will include an extension of the M2 to beyond Kilmoon Cross with grade seperation of the roundabout at the Pillo Hotel and presumably a grade seperated junction somewhere near Kilmoon Cross. It'll be offline, there is far too much volume to use the existing road and it's got accesses along it anyway.

Slane-Kilmoon Cross is a potential post 2027 upgrade but it not being TEN-T won't help it.

lucernarian · 07-03-2019 7:17pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What a load of nonsense. Large parts of the US interstate network are way below volume....didn't stop them being built. The destination is the important thing.

Build the motorway past Slane (wide median of course) and then to the border to Derry.

Slane will soon be Dublin suburb so makes COMPLETE sense to build motorway now.

I'd have to call that an awful waste of money, much like the 2+2 ideas for beyond Ardee. Or at best a VERY low priority. But the title of this thread is the name of a scheme that is being investigated and would eliminate current issues for the forseeable future.

marno21 · 07-03-2019 7:25pm

lucernarian wrote: »

I'd have to call that an awful waste of money, much like the 2+2 ideas for beyond Ardee. Or at best a VERY low priority. But the title of this thread is the name of a scheme that is being investigated and would eliminate current issues for the forseeable future.

You can call it what you like, it's not happening.

2018-2027 on the N2:

Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross
Slane bypass (short stub)
Ardee-Castleblayney
Clontibret-NI border

For consideration post 2027:

Kilmoon-Slane
Slane-Collon

Ashbourne-Kilmoon will likely be motorway/Type 1. The rest 2+2 at a maximum.

There will be no motorway or wide medians in Monaghan. That's nonsense

lucernarian · 08-03-2019 7:00pm

marno21 wrote: »

You can call it what you like, it's not happening.

2018-2027 on the N2:

Ashbourne-Kilmoon Cross
Slane bypass (short stub)
Ardee-Castleblayney
Clontibret-NI border

For consideration post 2027:

Kilmoon-Slane
Slane-Collon

Ashbourne-Kilmoon will likely be motorway/Type 1. The rest 2+2 at a maximum.

There will be no motorway or wide medians in Monaghan. That's nonsense

I'm not sure what part of my post that's related to. My point was that a scheme to Kilmoon Cross should probably be motorway...

marno21 · 03-10-2019 4:34pm

Meath County Council has engaged the services of Technical Advisors to commence the planning and design of the scheme. I am advised that it typically takes three to five years from this point through Phases 1 – 4 of the Project Management Guidelines, in order to have the scheme ready to submit to An Bord Pleanála for planning approval. This year, TII has provided an allocation to Meath Co. Co. of €250,000 to allow the scheme to progress to planning and design.

The latest (non) answer.

Carawaystick · 12-10-2019 7:43pm

Wouldn't grade seperating the junctions, with the crossing roads going over the existing N2 be a cheaper solution?
3 bridges, at the Curragha, snailbox and Killmoon

17larsson · 12-10-2019 7:47pm

The cheapest, easiest solution is to disable the traffic lights at peak hours.
Last Tuesday morning the lights went red stopping a long line of cars and all that came out from Tayto direction was one car and he was going left!

Irish Steve · 12-10-2019 9:04pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Wouldn't grade seperating the junctions, with the crossing roads going over the existing N2 be a cheaper solution?
3 bridges, at the Curragha, snailbox and Killmoon

And unfortunately, you've omitted the junction with the biggest traffic volume, the Ratoath road junction with the traffic lights, and the proximity of properties on both sides to the junction mean that a grade separation bridge is not possible at that location.

17larsson wrote: »

The cheapest, easiest solution is to disable the traffic lights at peak hours.
Last Tuesday morning the lights went red stopping a long line of cars and all that came out from Tayto direction was one car and he was going left!

There is no doubt that the lights are a contributor to the problems, but the number of accidents without them was a driving factor in the decision to put them in, the underlying problem is that the road as presently structured is already operating beyond design capacity, and that's not likely to get any better as time goes on, due to the lack of ability from a number of departments to really address the planning issues of road usage. If the M1 and M3 were not tolled, that would help significantly, but the downside is that at some stage, Slane will be bypassed, and that will only add to the problems, as it will make it a lot easier for HGV's to use the N2 to connect to the M1 and avoid the tolls and delays.

The problems with the N2 are already impacting business expansion and development, Tayto Park want to expand, and build a state of the art conference/hotel facility, but it won't be happening until the roads are sorted, due to the additional pressure that the extra traffic from them would generate.

marno21 · 22-03-2020 4:02am

Route options published: https://www.n2rath2kilmoon.ie/

Options include traffic management, public transport improvements, online widening and a new offline dual carriageway.

loyatemu · 26-03-2020 1:48pm

like the N11 plans this seems like an upgrade purely to cater for commuter traffic, and like the N11 I hope they show more imagination than just going for "more road".

marno21 · 23-07-2020 12:16am

The route options have been whittled down: https://e4fb0bde-bbae-4674-bdef-7d177538285a.filesusr.com/ugd/ec908e_3ab5e025f76e4e9182ad8bd18e163671.pdf

More information here: https://www.n2rath2kilmoon.ie/public-consultation-2

This scheme seems particularly vulnerable to Green Party interference.

Irish Steve · 23-07-2020 9:59am

The whole thing has degenerated into another consultants know best farce.

The original public consultation exposed how narrow the thinking was in relation to this plan, with most of the "preferred" options involving significant costs as a result of upgrading the end intersection of the existing motorway. A number of viable options that would also improve the flow of HGV traffic in to the industrial estates at the Northern end of Ashbourne were put to the relevant people, and those suggestions have been completely ignored, as have the option to take the new route off the existing motorway line before the last junction, which would involve far less disruption during the construction phase, and avoid significant expensive civil works to keep the local water supply running without problems, due to the proximity of the water tower to the junction location.

They've also chosen to ignore completely the exisiting Tayto Park implication, which in normal times is significant during the summer months, and they've not made any proposals to improve the access to Tayto. To add insult to injury, the proposals for Kilmoon cross junction are a complete disaster, that junction is a road safety nightmare now, and the latest proposal does nothing to improve that mess, so as far as I am concerned, the entire scheme is doomed to be a significant expensive failure that will end up having to be revisited at even more cost sooner rather than later.

This consultation will be the same mess as the original consultation on the line of the M2, which ended up as a failure, due to their not listening to the local voices in relation to the location of the Ashbourne South (and Ratoath) intersection connections, which has resulted in the Baltrasna road becoming a dangerous rat run.

And yes, the "green" influence will only end up costing local residents more in terms of delays and problems, and probably result in a higher carbon footprint as a result, but the chances of any of that grouping even understanding the real implications of their twisted agenda is about the same as the chances of an Irishman getting to stand on the moon.

spacetweek · 24-07-2020 9:09am

Good summary. I’d encourage everyone to fill out the survey, highlighting Irish Steve’s points.

My choice goes with blue/yellow but with a Tayto Park junction - Dublin-facing slips are sufficient. Also Kilmoon Cross itself must be bypassed, the scheme cannot simply terminate in the middle of it.

roadmaster · 24-07-2020 2:09pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Good summary. I’d encourage everyone to fill out the survey, highlighting Irish Steve’s points.

My choice goes with blue/yellow but with a Tayto Park junction - Dublin-facing slips are sufficient. Also Kilmoon Cross itself must be bypassed, the scheme cannot simply terminate in the middle of it.

I am sure there is more detailed drawing they never would have designed it to terminate at the Cross would they?

marno21 · 24-07-2020 2:16pm

Irish Steve wrote: »

The whole thing has degenerated into another consultants know best farce.

The original public consultation exposed how narrow the thinking was in relation to this plan, with most of the "preferred" options involving significant costs as a result of upgrading the end intersection of the existing motorway. A number of viable options that would also improve the flow of HGV traffic in to the industrial estates at the Northern end of Ashbourne were put to the relevant people, and those suggestions have been completely ignored, as have the option to take the new route off the existing motorway line before the last junction, which would involve far less disruption during the construction phase, and avoid significant expensive civil works to keep the local water supply running without problems, due to the proximity of the water tower to the junction location.

They've also chosen to ignore completely the exisiting Tayto Park implication, which in normal times is significant during the summer months, and they've not made any proposals to improve the access to Tayto. To add insult to injury, the proposals for Kilmoon cross junction are a complete disaster, that junction is a road safety nightmare now, and the latest proposal does nothing to improve that mess, so as far as I am concerned, the entire scheme is doomed to be a significant expensive failure that will end up having to be revisited at even more cost sooner rather than later.

This consultation will be the same mess as the original consultation on the line of the M2, which ended up as a failure, due to their not listening to the local voices in relation to the location of the Ashbourne South (and Ratoath) intersection connections, which has resulted in the Baltrasna road becoming a dangerous rat run.

And yes, the "green" influence will only end up costing local residents more in terms of delays and problems, and probably result in a higher carbon footprint as a result, but the chances of any of that grouping even understanding the real implications of their twisted agenda is about the same as the chances of an Irishman getting to stand on the moon.

Thanks a million for this post. This is the type of local, knowledgeable input on schemes that is most welcome on this forum, as it really puts schemes into perspective for those of us who are not familiar with the area and are just looking at drawings on a map.

As spacetweek suggested, sending in Irish Steve's points to the public consultation feedback system is most encouraged.

spacetweek · 25-07-2020 10:54am

marno21 wrote: »

As spacetweek suggested, sending in Irish Steve's points to the public consultation feedback system is most encouraged.

I've done it, but paraphrased of course and with my own input added.

Pete_Cavan · 10-08-2020 7:45am

I had another look at the options here and I don't see how the benefits could outweigh the cost of building new offline road here. The existing road is fine in most ways (incredibly straight, reasonably wide, limited enough properties with direct access onto the road, etc.). Surely it would be easier, faster to deliver and possibly cheaper to just build two LILO junctions? One at the R152 junction and the other at the R155 junction. By removing traffic crossing the road and having decent slips for traffic turning on/off the N2, the safety issues are addressed. This would actually improve access to Tayto Park and sort out the Kilmoon Cross junction, things which none of the route options identified do!

lucernarian · 11-08-2020 12:19pm

That wouldn't be as sexy as a project that allows a minister to cut a ribbon for it.

And targeted N2 grade-separated junctions would do wonders such as at Kilmoon. And use money saved towards improving the shambolic R network in southeast Meath.

But LILOs are not enough, traffic movements "across" the road are far too numerous and important.

Pete_Cavan · 12-08-2020 9:44am

lucernarian wrote: »

That wouldn't be as sexy as a project that allows a minister to cut a ribbon for it.

And targeted N2 grade-separated junctions would do wonders such as at Kilmoon. And use money saved towards improving the shambolic R network in southeast Meath.

But LILOs are not enough, traffic movements "across" the road are far too numerous and important.

LILOs at the R152 and R155 junctions could also be designed to pick up some of the other minor junctions beside them. I am not suggesting that all traffic movements across the road be eliminated, or that there should be closed central median or anything like that, just that the main junctions get dealt with in an appropriate manner.

The traffic lights on the N2 is a disaster and needs to be removed but new road isn't needed to do that. Building a couple of km of offline road here but leaving Kilmoon Cross junction on the mainline doesn't achieve much. The road itself is not a problem, the junctions are, address the junctions not the road.

L1011 · 12-08-2020 10:26am

GSJs on single carriageway roads are rather disliked these days; in low traffic conditions drivers often drive faster in areas with them as it 'feels' like a motorway.

Pete_Cavan · 12-08-2020 7:50pm

L1011 wrote: »

GSJs on single carriageway roads are rather disliked these days; in low traffic conditions drivers often drive faster in areas with them as it 'feels' like a motorway.

I have to assume that the options set out for this project will contain fewer junctions, or no junctions between Rath and Kilmoon Cross, otherwise what would be the point of it? Surely people are more likely to drive faster on a newly built road with no/fewer junctions? TII are currently looking at add a LILO on the N17 in a similar situation to this. I seriously doubt this section of N2 would feel like a motorway if LILOs were added, it would be a small change with 90% of the road remaining the same.

N2 - Ashbourne to Kilmoon Cross [route options published]

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