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Degenerative disc disease

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 krustovski


    my partner has degenerative disc diesese,shes been passed from billy to jack in beumont,had a weekend stay and an mri in the mater who told her they dont interfere with beuomont patients,been in and out of a&e like a yoyo all to be told we have loads of brain tumours ahead of you.everytime we ring the team they say theyll ring back they never do,ive made a complaint,two weeks later i get a call saying they will look inti it,two weeks later now still havent heard back.shes on oxycontin,lyrica and diazepam/valium which initially gave her relief but they dont now,similar to the tylex and bymadol,relief for a while till immunity kicks in:(

    Booked a chiropractor for tuesday hes quite confident he can ease her pain but im i bit iffy in case he makes it worse,someone mentioned decompression,where can u get this done in dublin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭Hal Emmerich


    krustovski wrote: »
    Booked a chiropractor for tuesday hes quite confident he can ease her pain but im i bit iffy in case he makes it worse,someone mentioned decompression,where can u get this done in dublin
    thehamo wrote: »
    Hey. I did it in Citywest Chiropractic. its in the leisure centre there. Its not cheap, you have to do about 20 sessions, works out at about 2g's. but compare that to spinal injections every 3 months/surgery and its not all that bad.

    I have been out running the past 2 weeks now. where as before I would run and not be able to walk after, now there is not a bother on me. Even when I get up in the morning. All the stiffness is gone and absolutely no pain what so ever. Its a total turn around in quality of life for me. IL be doing pilates and other exercise to strengthen my core and prevent it ever happening again!

    Best of luck with what ever you choose to do!

    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭fro9etb8j5qsl2


    I've been suffering back pain since an accident in may. My doc originally said it was soft tissue damage and prescribed me difene without so much as looking at my back or testing my range of movement. Went back to him twice in the next month because I wasn't getting any better only to be told that these things take time, take it easy etc.

    2 weeks later my legs gave way and I had to go to a&e where I was told I had a prolapsing disc that was trapping a nerve. I was prescribed lyrica and solpadol and was told I'd have to go for an MRI.

    Went back to doctor only to have him laugh at the diagnosis. He then FINALLY did a few movement tests with me, said he definitely didn't think it was a prolapsing disc but then suggested I keep taking the lyrica to 'see how I get on' and that if I were still in pain in November, he'd refer me for an MRI.

    So now it's November and I'm still in pain and dreading having to go back to him and beg for an MRI like a bloody dog begging for food :mad: I live in a isolated area so I don't really have the option of switching docs or going for a second opinion. Can anyone give me any advice please??


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Voodoo_rasher


    I've been suffering back pain since an accident in may. My doc originally said it was soft tissue damage and prescribed me difene without so much as looking at my back or testing my range of movement. Went back to him twice in the next month because I wasn't getting any better only to be told that these things take time, take it easy etc.

    2 weeks later my legs gave way and I had to go to a&e where I was told I had a prolapsing disc that was trapping a nerve. I was prescribed lyrica and solpadol and was told I'd have to go for an MRI.

    Went back to doctor only to have him laugh at the diagnosis. He then FINALLY did a few movement tests with me, said he definitely didn't think it was a prolapsing disc but then suggested I keep taking the lyrica to 'see how I get on' and that if I were still in pain in November, he'd refer me for an MRI.

    So now it's November and I'm still in pain and dreading having to go back to him and beg for an MRI like a bloody dog begging for food :mad: I live in a isolated area so I don't really have the option of switching docs or going for a second opinion. Can anyone give me any advice please??

    don't beg for an mri - demand it. Get it done in the Northwood clinic (think thats the name) near Dublin airport. They recognize the Medical Card. Life's too short to wait for a public hosp. to gift you a scan.. Your gp sounds like a laid-back, lacksadaisical cvnt. He needs to be made aware of things in no uncertain terms sadly. I'm regularly on this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Bucks300


    I've been suffering back pain since an accident in may. My doc originally said it was soft tissue damage and prescribed me difene without so much as looking at my back or testing my range of movement. Went back to him twice in the next month because I wasn't getting any better only to be told that these things take time, take it easy etc.

    2 weeks later my legs gave way and I had to go to a&e where I was told I had a prolapsing disc that was trapping a nerve. I was prescribed lyrica and solpadol and was told I'd have to go for an MRI.

    Went back to doctor only to have him laugh at the diagnosis. He then FINALLY did a few movement tests with me, said he definitely didn't think it was a prolapsing disc but then suggested I keep taking the lyrica to 'see how I get on' and that if I were still in pain in November, he'd refer me for an MRI.

    So now it's November and I'm still in pain and dreading having to go back to him and beg for an MRI like a bloody dog begging for food :mad: I live in a isolated area so I don't really have the option of switching docs or going for a second opinion. Can anyone give me any advice please??

    don't beg for an mri - demand it. Get it done in the Northwood clinic (think thats the name) near Dublin airport. They recognize the Medical Card. Life's too short to wait for a public hosp. to gift you a scan.. Your gp sounds like a laid-back, lacksadaisical cvnt. He needs to be made aware of things in no uncertain terms sadly. I'm regularly on this thread.
    Hi everyone

    I have suffered for around 6 years my backs "goes" around every 6 months . Sneezing scares me :) I have tried every last option no joy. My consultant has suggested a procedure called dynamic stabilisation -- anyone have any experience with this. He uses the implant the diam system .

    If only I could find somebody who has had it done .

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭trishasaffron


    Bucks300 wrote: »
    Hi everyone

    I have suffered for around 6 years my backs "goes" around every 6 months . Sneezing scares me :) I have tried every last option no joy. My consultant has suggested a procedure called dynamic stabilisation -- anyone have any experience with this. He uses the implant the diam system .

    If only I could find somebody who has had it done .

    Thanks

    I've had the same thing suggested to me - haven't made a decision yet - but also interested to hear from anyone with experience.

    Anyone out there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Bucks300


    Bucks300 wrote: »
    Hi everyone

    I have suffered for around 6 years my backs "goes" around every 6 months . Sneezing scares me :) I have tried every last option no joy. My consultant has suggested a procedure called dynamic stabilisation -- anyone have any experience with this. He uses the implant the diam system .

    If only I could find somebody who has had it done .

    Thanks

    I've had the same thing suggested to me - haven't made a decision yet - but also interested to hear from anyone with experience.

    Anyone out there?
    Hi trish

    Are you being treated in cork by any chance. It is very hard to find anyone who has had it done ..


  • Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭trishasaffron


    Bucks300 wrote: »
    Hi trish

    Are you being treated in cork by any chance. It is very hard to find anyone who has had it done ..

    Not Cork - Dublin in the Hermitage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭battries not included


    Hi all, I have just noticed this thread recently, I thought I was the only one who was in this pain/discomfort it's nice to know (if you know what I mean) that I am not alone.

    I have been suffering with my back for the last few years, I never actually knew the cause or the syptoms etc.. until my girlfriend had pushed me to demand an MRI scan which I had done in June 2011. I have been diagnosed with having the following ;

    'Low back pain with sciatica. There is a broad protrusion at L4-5. There are large facet joints and ligamentum flavum hypertrophy at the same level resulting in some central canal narrowing and bilateral lateral recess narrowing.'

    I have been suffering with headaches and extreme uncomfortableness since the MRI scan, my life today consists of headaches, aches, stiffness and general discomfort, I can go outside for about 30mins a day before I have to come back home and lie down, I can not play with my son in the park or lift my baby daughter, I take reliflex and panadol etc.. but I don't see any difference??

    I was put on a public waiting list (medical card holder) to have a consultation with David O'Brien Consultant Neurosurgeon in beaumont hospital, the appointment was made in July 2011 by my GP, the date I got was September 2012! over a year wait. I decided I could not wait and went to make appointment as a private patient, I got seen to the same week (July 2011). I was worried that the neurosurgeon would just tell me to 'take painkillers NEXT!' but he actually was quite understanding and he listened and took notes for my entire appointment ( lasted 1 hour) during which he showed me my MRI scan and explained my options, either surgery to correct problem or injections which might ease the pain. I decided to take the injections while I wait on surgery, the neurosurgeon made an appointment for my injections to be done in beaumont hospital, I had them done last week and I can say it has not helped in any way, actually I feel worse :(

    I recently moved counties and changed GP, I made a visit to my GP who has a nice bedside manner but I found I was not been taken seriously, his words were 'keep active and maybe that will take your mind of things..' :confused:


    I would like to apply for diability allowance (even on temp basis) as I would not be able to work in my present state! I just find t hard to be taken serious and not another 'back pain/disability allowance case' .

    So as I write this post I am in discomfort and would like any info from persons who have had the injections with no effect and have gone through the process of surgery, what are the side affects? recovery time? also should I apply for disability allowance?

    Thanks for reading my story

    bni


  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭dannyo666


    Hey Batteries
    Sound like a tough one
    Amazeing how by going private you were seen straight away isnt it?medical cards are great but if its a consultant you want to see then just bite the bullet and pay like you did..God bless the HSE top brass

    Anyway forget about disability(sorry for the bluntness) unless you have some seious surgerys or are willing to bring your case up with a TD,its just the current climate,i just had an appeal accepted after 2 years of surguries,nerve blocks and a spinal cord stimulater....crazy but again its the current climate

    As for nerve blocks/injections,ive had 5,waste of time/money for me but they do work for some people,no real side effects so to speak

    Cant write all i want to say now(on iphone) but i will tmor or PM me-If any doc tries to tell you "stop thinkin about the pain"-tell them get stuffed!!

    What cant you do?
    Isit back pain in general or is it the nerve pain thats the killer?
    Never give up-trust me...:)
    There are some awesome docs in Ireland
    PM me for names...

    Take care bud


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  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭battries not included


    Thanks for taking the time to reply Danny, guess I am kinda glad about the DA situation as I don't want to be on it at expense of others.

    At the moment the pain is a mixture of nerve as well as numbing pain along the bottom of my back area (just above my butt) I also suffer from headaches mostly on the right side of my head.

    I will probably have to go for a second consultation with neurosurgeon but to be honest I would take surgery tomorrow if I thought it would help me..

    I have an interview tomorrow for a college place and I am kinda dreading it as I am thinking of the commute into city and sitting for too long in one place, I guess that's the life of a L4-L5 patient :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭jdee99


    I had a three level fusion done last year (in the UK) and to be truthful it was the best thing I have ever done. Don't get me wrong I still have problems (including needing my neck sorting out LOL) but the outcome has been really good compared to what it was before. Get your surgery done and listen to what the consultant tells you post op. Injections for me didn't work and in fact made matters worse! Recovery time of from my op - I was out of bed next day and would have been home in five days but I had an infection which kept me in another five days. The outcome isn't perfect and I get frustrated at what I can and can't do and the limited mobility I now have will I am sure become a major factor in years to come but the fact that the pain levels are vastly reduced means for me the outcome is brilliant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭dannyo666


    My best advice is go to 3-4 consultants privately,""oh listen to moneybags" i hear ye say-unfortunatly not!,€600 to €800 for an absulute definitive answer + MRI instead of thousands on physio,accupucture and the likes...its better to bite the bullet and try to scrounge the cash together instead of public waiting times...take it from a guy who didnt take the above advice for years..!!
    Reasearch your docs
    Never be afraid of them,speak your mind and be extremley blunt(not rude)
    Just my 2 cents...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 mariah54


    Danny666 I have thoracolumbar scoliosis and have attended orthopaedic consultant, pain management specialist and most recently rheumatologist. I have been in constant chronic pain for the last seven years and worked up to two years ago when I went to have a thorough investigation on my spine and ended up being diagnosed with avascular necrosis in hip bones which required an immediate decompression of hip bones to in order to save the hips and to prolong hip replacements due to my age. However, I have undergone intense physio, facet joint injections etc. and do a daily physio programme workout in the pool. I manage the pain but the real reason I wanted the investigation is because I was loosing strength in my legs and arms. The leg weakness would come on when walking and would begin with a severe burning pain in the lower right hand side of my back near top of the buttock and would radiate into the groin and lower ab area. This would force me having to get sitting down if out walking which I did a lot of and now I cannot even walk round the shops due to this. None of the professionals can give me an answer to the source of this pain and I am convinced that it is related to a muscle or a trapped nerve in the buttock. I refuse to give up as you say until I get a diagnosis so that my physio can treat what exactly is wrong and I can then manage myself. Can you please give me names of the people you recommend as I am about to go for second opinion from Mr. Poynton and being honest I am fed up spending money which I don't have and need to go to someone who is decent and honest and takes time to check a person out. Have the MRIs, x Rays etc. Would appreciate if you could contact me privately with names. Many thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 DMcGSR


    mariah54 wrote: »
    Danny666 I have thoracolumbar scoliosis and have attended orthopaedic consultant, pain management specialist and most recently rheumatologist. I have been in constant chronic pain for the last seven years and worked up to two years ago when I went to have a thorough investigation on my spine and ended up being diagnosed with avascular necrosis in hip bones which required an immediate decompression of hip bones to in order to save the hips and to prolong hip replacements due to my age. However, I have undergone intense physio, facet joint injections etc. and do a daily physio programme workout in the pool. I manage the pain but the real reason I wanted the investigation is because I was loosing strength in my legs and arms. The leg weakness would come on when walking and would begin with a severe burning pain in the lower right hand side of my back near top of the buttock and would radiate into the groin and lower ab area. This would force me having to get sitting down if out walking which I did a lot of and now I cannot even walk round the shops due to this. None of the professionals can give me an answer to the source of this pain and I am convinced that it is related to a muscle or a trapped nerve in the buttock. I refuse to give up as you say until I get a diagnosis so that my physio can treat what exactly is wrong and I can then manage myself. Can you please give me names of the people you recommend as I am about to go for second opinion from Mr. Poynton and being honest I am fed up spending money which I don't have and need to go to someone who is decent and honest and takes time to check a person out. Have the MRIs, x Rays etc. Would appreciate if you could contact me privately with names. Many thanks.

    Hi Mariah, Where are you based?

    I am an Neurokinetic Therapy practitioner and an Anatomy in Motion Practitioner with clinics based in Monaghan and Dublin. The way I have been trained to view the body is completely different to the traditional therapy mould. I view the body as a whole, assessing the effect of each and every joint and muscle. In my opinion, the person needs to be treated as a whole, each and every persons history is different, their injuries are all different which leads to different body adaptations and different compensations which will eventually come out as pain somewhere along the line.

    For example, you say you have thoracolumbar scoliosis? has anyone showed you how your feet affect a thoracolumbar scoliosis? The feet are the only two things that connect us to the ground and they are responsible for driving the movement up the kinetic chain. If of example you over pronate on one foot, it my cause a hiked (raised) and rotated pelvis on one side, the spine follows the pelvis initially and then begins to counterbalance with lateral flexions and opposing rotations and voila, you have a scoliosis! Through movement based corrections aimed at integrating the foot with the entire kinetic chain it is entirely possible to eliminate a scoliosis!

    Have a read about the techniques I employ if you'd like.

    www.anatomyinmotion.co.uk

    www.neurokinetictherapy.com

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/David-Mc-Gettigan-Sports-Rehabilitation/195694187122442?ref=hl

    I would never diss a specialist or a surgeon entirely as they go through years of extensive training to get to that point in their career but sometimes i see patients that have been to specialists and the specialists ignore valuable information because they only focus on the painful area, negating the influence of other areas of the body! Its a shame!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭HBC08


    It would be great to get some updates of how people got on in the years after this thread.
    I have really bad DDD.
    It first started 10 years ago when my leg went numb to the point of me limping ,it was diagnosed as a dropped foot as a result of DDD.
    I should mention that it took an MRI and 5 or 6 consultants at 250e a pop to figure this out.
    I had to wear a custom made medical boot for a few months and this totally sorted it out.The whole episode cost me about €4000 but I was glad it was dealt with.
    I didn't even think about it much but it came back with a vengeance about two years ago.No dropped foot this time but numbness and pain in my back,leg and foot.Ive tried several physio,pilates and various different exercises.I had an MRI again and was referred to a consultant. I went for an epidural about 18 months ago which didn't work and another one last month which also didn't work.Im going to my GP next week to talk about pain management. I'm constantly in pain,it was so bad last week I thought I was going to puke,that's no way to live.
    I can't run or do anything I used to be able to do,can't even walk very far,I feel like I'm an old man,I'm 42.
    The only thing that seemed to help a bit was swimming and I haven't been able to do that with the pools closed but am looking forward to getting back to that in a few weeks.
    Anyway apologies for the long post,I'm looking at getting referred to Ashley Pontyon.I see his name mentioned here a bit.

    Ps,somebody posted that having a beer helps.I find any time I'm drinking the pain almost goes away,not sure if that a good thing or not! I haven't started drinking more but look forward to having a few cans as I know I'll get a few hours relief.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Tbh the Devils lettuce used always get rid of the pain for me but I didn't want to become too reliant or smoke it every day.

    I take a few drops of CBD in the morning now and it sees me through until evening. On the days where I don't take it, I'm in absolute bits.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Interesting, I smoked dirty brown hash everyday for about 5 years.I have liked a bit of good weed down the years aswell but don't really smoke any more,no major decision, I'm just really around it these days.
    Thanks for the CBD suggestion,I'm going to try that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭Diairist


    Can someone recommend a very good physiotherapist in or near Dublin 7? Many thanks.


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