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Replumb 3/4 bed house

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  • 02-07-2019 11:09pm
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    Chopper2
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    Out boiler just packed in so we got a plumber in for a quote. He advised us to change controls aswell. After looking around the house he suggested we replumb the whole system as the pipes are a different variety, copper, grey plastic pipe , black hydradale, & replace 9 rads. House is 1200sq ft , bathroom upstairs & shower room downstairs. built almost 30 years ago.
    We haven't decided what to do yet, our main concern is how much it will cost?


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    Lewis_Benson
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    Chopper2 wrote: »
    Out boiler just packed in so we got a plumber in for a quote. He advised us to change controls aswell. After looking around the house he suggested we replumb the whole system as the pipes are a different variety, copper, grey plastic pipe , black hydradale, & replace 9 rads. House is 1200sq ft , bathroom upstairs & shower room downstairs. built almost 30 years ago.
    We haven't decided what to do yet, our main concern is how much it will cost?

    What's the question?

    How much was the quote the plumber provided?


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    Chopper2
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Chopper2


    Q = how much would it cost in total?

    No quote received yet.


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    K.Flyer
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    Get a few different recommended reputable contractors in to have a look at it.
    30 years old, its not really that old unless its a bad installation.
    Grey pipework on the heating system suggests Acorn pipe, certainly not my first choice, but what did he propose replacing it all with.


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    Chopper2
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    Just to correct myself (predictive text) I meant gas boiler NOT out boiler.
    I was told gas boilers have a life span of 15-20 years.
    Yes acorn pipe was mentioned, like yourself he's not a fan of it. I'm assuming he's going to put in all copper piping because he wants to call back again to pull some floor boards to see what's feeding the rads from the plastic piping that hold the valves.
    I took off all rads myself & it's not copper


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    dar_cool
    Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭dar_cool


    Got a quote last year for similar and it was 8500 including new oil boiler,controls and replumb. Didn't have the money so went with just new boiler and controls.


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    Chopper2
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    dar_cool wrote: »
    Got a quote last year for similar and it was 8500 including new oil boiler,controls and replumb. Didn't have the money so went with just new boiler and controls.

    Thanks, I know a new gas boiler can cost between 2-3 grand depending on make, model & warranty. So 5-6 thousand sounds realistic.


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    GreeBo
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    Chopper2 wrote: »
    Just to correct myself (predictive text) I meant gas boiler NOT out boiler.
    I was told gas boilers have a life span of 15-20 years.
    Yes acorn pipe was mentioned, like yourself he's not a fan of it. I'm assuming he's going to put in all copper piping because he wants to call back again to pull some floor boards to see what's feeding the rads from the plastic piping that hold the valves.
    I took off all rads myself & it's not copper

    Doing the entire house in copper will be expensive as copper is expensive to buy.
    5.5M of 1" copper is €43
    6M of 1" Pex is €26

    Now the fittings are more expensive but I'd still go plastic.


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    K.Flyer
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Doing the entire house in copper will be expensive as copper is expensive to buy.
    5.5M of 1" copper is €43
    6M of 1" Pex is €26

    Now the fittings are more expensive but I'd still go plastic.

    If not in copper, then go with Multilayer Pipe.
    When its done properly its a lifetime job.


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    Chopper2
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Chopper2


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    If not in copper, then go with Multilayer Pipe.
    When its done properly its a lifetime job.

    Rang for a price of 5m copper pipe €18
    5m plastic pipe €7
    Thanks for the input
    Anymore suggestions welcome


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    Dtp1979
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    Modern copper is crap tbh. You’d be better off with multilayer or pex. Don’t use the new white acorn fittings as they are dreadful


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    Chopper2
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    Just an update, the first plumber gave me a quote of €18,000. Yes you are reading it correctly €18,000. Replace all pipe work for rads, install new rads (9), new cylinder, 3 zone heating, new Bosch boiler replace 2 sink, 2 toilets, 2 showers, trays doors 2 T90 showers, new sink in kitchen, outside tap, replumb all hot & cold feeds.


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    Chopper2
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    Chopper2 wrote: »
    Just an update, the first plumber gave me a quote of €18,000. Yes you are reading it correctly €18,000. Replace all pipe work for rads, install new rads (9), new cylinder, 3 zone heating, new Bosch boiler replace 2 sink, 2 toilets, 2 showers, trays doors 2 T90 showers, new sink in kitchen, outside tap, replumb all hot & cold feeds.

    Second plumber quoted €9000 off the top of he's head. Would take 5 weeks to complete going between jobs.
    Waiting on another quote.


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    GreeBo
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    I'm waiting on a similar quote so will let you know what I get


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    Dtp1979
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    Did the first quote include the sanitary ware?


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    Chopper2
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    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Did the first quote include the sanitary ware?

    Yes but it's all basic 2 toilets 2 sinks 2 shower trays 2 showers


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    K.Flyer
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    Chopper2 wrote: »
    Just an update, the first plumber gave me a quote of €18,000. Yes you are reading it correctly €18,000. Replace all pipe work for rads, install new rads (9), new cylinder, 3 zone heating, new Bosch boiler replace 2 sink, 2 toilets, 2 showers, trays doors 2 T90 showers, new sink in kitchen, outside tap, replumb all hot & cold feeds.

    Apart from the complete new heating system / hot water overhaul, you are also getting two bathrooms fully re-plumbed and refitted with new shower enclosures, with all the sanitary ware showers etc included.

    Does that include tiling / finishing bathrooms ?

    Is electrical work for showers included?

    Are the hot and cold pipes throughout the house being replaced as well?

    Are there concrete floors / walls to be cut out for pipework?

    Is the house being lived in while work is going on?


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    Chopper2
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    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Apart from the complete new heating system / hot water overhaul, you are also getting two bathrooms fully re-plumbed and refitted with new shower enclosures, with all the sanitary ware showers etc included.

    Does that include tiling / finishing bathrooms ?

    Is electrical work for showers included?

    Are the hot and cold pipes throughout the house being replaced as well?

    Are there concrete floors / walls to be cut out for pipework?

    Is the house being lived in while work is going on?

    I'm getting my own tiler & electrician.
    Hot & cold pipes replaced. I have the walls chased. The concrete floors will have to be dug.
    House is vacant while until all work is done.
    Are you a plumber?


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    Dtp1979
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    Chopper2 wrote: »
    I'm getting my own tiler & electrician.
    Hot & cold pipes replaced. I have the walls chased. The concrete floors will have to be dug.
    House is vacant while until all work is done.
    Are you a plumber?

    He is ;).
    First price is a bit high alright.
    Second price is way too low. They must be cutting serious corners tbh


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    GreeBo
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    Mine just came in at 19K inc vat
    9 double rads
    2 towel rails
    23 TRVs
    Magna cleaning valve
    32KW Potterton Myson boiler
    3 zone heating circuit.

    I need to sit down.


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    K.Flyer
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Mine just came in at 19K inc vat
    9 double rads
    2 towel rails
    23 TRVs
    Magna cleaning valve
    32KW Potterton Myson boiler
    3 zone heating circuit.

    I need to sit down.

    :eek:

    Get more quotes in.


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    K.Flyer
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    Chopper2 wrote: »
    I'm getting my own tiler & electrician.
    Hot & cold pipes replaced. I have the walls chased. The concrete floors will have to be dug.
    House is vacant while until all work is done.
    Are you a plumber?

    I am, based in Dublin.

    As DTP says, first price is a bit on high side but sanitary ware, showers trays and doors etc can greatly vary in price which can affect the end quote.
    As for 9k for all of that, I appreciate it was a off the top of his head, but I just can't see how he can do all of that correctly for close to it.


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    GreeBo
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    K.Flyer wrote: »
    :eek:

    Get more quotes in.

    Was certainly a lot more than I was expecting tbh.

    Looks like I'm taking up floorboards and running the pipes myself....again! :(


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    K.Flyer
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Was certainly a lot more than I was expecting tbh.

    Looks like I'm taking up floorboards and running the pipes myself....again! :(

    I'm sure you could get a reasonable quote that includes taking up flooring. :D


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    Dtp1979
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Mine just came in at 19K inc vat
    9 double rads
    2 towel rails
    23 TRVs
    Magna cleaning valve
    32KW Potterton Myson boiler
    3 zone heating circuit.

    I need to sit down.

    Why is there 23 trvs when there’s only 9 rads?


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    Chopper2
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    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Why is there 23 trvs when there’s only 9 rads?

    The first quote I got "off the top of he's head" was 18 grand, he came back a few days later & I told him I got another quick quote of 9, he then said he came over to view it again & was going to say he'd do it for 15. I'm still waiting for him to get back to me with a breakdown & an improved final quote but at this stage I can't see me letting him do it.


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    K.Flyer
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    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Why is there 23 trvs when there’s only 9 rads?

    9 new radiators, plus 14 existing radiators.
    Earlier I was going to question the 32kw boiler with only nine rads, but then saw 23 trvs (rads), plus the two towel rails, h.w. etc.


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    GreeBo
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    K.Flyer wrote: »
    9 new radiators, plus 14 existing radiators.
    Earlier I was going to question the 32kw boiler with only nine rads, but then saw 23 trvs (rads), plus the two towel rails, h.w. etc.

    Actually there are only the 9 rads + 2 towel rails.

    So im assuming its 11 x 2 for trv and lsv and then a typo...but that price seems of the wall


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    K.Flyer
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Actually there are only the 9 rads + 2 towel rails.

    So im assuming its 11 x 2 for trv and lsv and then a typo...but that price seems of the wall

    Sorry, slightly confused here.
    Have you a total of 9 rads plus 2 towel rails on your heating system?
    If that's right, then 32 kw is way to big for that system.


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    GreeBo
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    Scratch that, quote says 23 sets of trvs so no idea who I'm buying them for!


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    GreeBo
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    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Sorry, slightly confused here.
    Have you a total of 9 rads plus 2 towel rails on your heating system?
    If that's right, then 32 kw is way to big for that system.

    Yeah 11 in total but most are large doubles...its a 210m2 detached house


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