Ryanair 1st 737 Max en route

stopthepanic · 16-06-2021 2:43pm #1

EI-HEN is due into Dublin at 1730 today from Boeing Field.

rugbyman · 16-06-2021 6:13pm

Few mins to go

Henry Ford III · 16-06-2021 6:46pm

I'm still ever so slightly conflicted on these planes.

kevinandrew · 16-06-2021 7:17pm

Does Ryanair still market these as “game changer” aircraft? It was a debatable moniker even before the two accidents.

john boye · 16-06-2021 8:45pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

Does Ryanair still market these as “game changer” aircraft? It was a debatable moniker even before the two accidents.

It certainly changed the game for Boeing...

In fairness, I'm sure when things get back to normal they will make a big difference for Ryanair with the lower fuel burn and extra seats. Especially considering they probably got them for half-nothing.

Tenzor07 · 16-06-2021 9:34pm

Great to see Ryanair getting the first Max, next to the old NG you can see it's noticeably bigger, really will be a gamechanger for Ryanair when it gets into service... And more to come soon...

john boye · 16-06-2021 10:07pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

next to the old NG you can see it's noticeably bigger,

How so? Their dimensions are almost identical?

Tenzor07 · 16-06-2021 10:15pm

john boye wrote: »

How so? Their dimensions are almost identical?

Max is higher off the ground, 8 more seats I think and an extra exit door(s) so longer as well...

Widdensushi · 16-06-2021 10:24pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Great to see Ryanair getting the first Max, next to the old NG you can see it's noticeably bigger, really will be a gamechanger for Ryanair when it gets into service... And more to come soon...

More aircraft obviously, or are you hinting at more news /orders?

john boye · 16-06-2021 10:26pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Max is higher off the ground, 8 more seats I think and an extra exit door(s) so longer as well...

You must have an eye for detail, it's about half an inch longer!

mcgragger · 16-06-2021 10:47pm

Not for me.

cml387 · 17-06-2021 9:23am

Surely not higher off the ground either? Wasn't that the whole problem.

XsApollo · 17-06-2021 9:25am

I’m not an aviation expert but I seem to remember a video about the landing gear that they came up with something where the wheels extend when they are down and retract when they are up.

john boye · 17-06-2021 9:56am

cml387 wrote: »

Surely not higher off the ground either? Wasn't that the whole problem.

Yeah it's actually shorter all told. The engines are bolted higher though.

I'm not really sure what plane he was looking at.

Cookiemunster · 17-06-2021 10:00am

XsApollo wrote: »

I’m not an aviation expert but I seem to remember a video about the landing gear that they came up with something where the wheels extend when they are down and retract when they are up.

That's just on the Max 10. The Max 7, 8 and 9 have standard undercarriage. Ryanair have the Max 8.

Tenger · 17-06-2021 10:18am

Widdensushi wrote: »

More aircraft obviously, or are you hinting at more news /orders?

Read online that there is a gap of a week before the rest of the order starts arriving.

Tenzor07 · 17-06-2021 11:14am

Well, have a look at them side by side, the Max definitely looks higher to the eye..

though with the extra seats, exit doors, crew seats... the galley is quite small and the two toilets are tiny, any large passengers will have to reverse in..

12 more coming soon: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-s-first-737-max-due-at-dublin-airport-1.4595141

youtheman · 17-06-2021 3:21pm

The nose gear in the Max is 8" longer and because the main gear is the same, this lowers the tail by 4". Reason for the increase in NG length is because of the high bypass engines (they are bigger in diameter so they had to do something to maintain ground clearance and reduce the risk of FOD).

Hotblack Desiato · 17-06-2021 11:23pm

Just another one of the awful compromises they had to make to try to keep an obsolete airframe competitive in the 21st century.

I will never fly on one.

jucylucy · 23-06-2021 10:00am

Hear the first -8200 operational flight is today......no big fan fare!

Alpha Romeo · 23-06-2021 6:36pm

jucylucy wrote: »

Hear the first -8200 operational flight is today......no big fan fare!

Looks like EI-HEN is assigned to FR272 20:35 to Stansted.

embraer170 · 23-06-2021 8:30pm

Any interior photos?

Inquitus · 23-06-2021 8:41pm

It is indeed off to Stansted!

john boye · 23-06-2021 9:08pm

embraer170 wrote: »

Any interior photos?

There isn't enough room to comfortably take photos.

Tenzor07 · 24-06-2021 3:47pm

Inquitus wrote: »

It is indeed off to Stansted!

With Zero paying passengers i'd say...

john boye · 29-06-2021 11:52pm

Didn't realise Ryanair already have a max in service. Surprised they didn't make a big hullabaloo of it...

Van.Bosch · 29-06-2021 11:56pm

john boye wrote: »

Didn't realise Ryanair already have a max in service. Surprised they didn't make a big hullabaloo of it...

Can’t see many making a big deal of a Max given past issues.

California Dreamer · 30-06-2021 1:27am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Just another one of the awful compromises they had to make to try to keep an obsolete airframe competitive in the 21st century.

I will never fly on one.

Do you fly on A330 or 777?

Cookiemunster · 30-06-2021 8:56am

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Can’t see many making a big deal of a Max given past issues.

But Ryanair don't fly the Max, they fly the 737-8200

They did have a press release on their social media, but the media didn't make much of it. https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-takes-delivery-of-1st-boeing-737-gamechanger-aircraft/ Not one use of the word Max.

L1011 · 30-06-2021 9:13am

California Dreamer wrote: »

Do you fly on A330 or 777?

Quite a difference between a 1990s and a 1960s base design, particularly the amount of stuff grandfathered in on the 737 that could not be allowed on a clean sheet airframe.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-06-2021 11:19am

California Dreamer wrote: »

Do you fly on A330 or 777?

They're widebodies, surely the comparator to the Max is the 320Neo

Only issue I had flying on a 330 was that it was slightly noisier than a 340

I'm not aware of any undocumented, unknown to the pilots system on a 320, 330, 340 or 777 for that matter which could crash the aircraft based on a single faulty sensor input but perhaps you can enlighten us.

California Dreamer · 30-06-2021 1:53pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

They're widebodies, surely the comparator to the Max is the 320Neo

Only issue I had flying on a 330 was that it was slightly noisier than a 340

I'm not aware of any undocumented, unknown to the pilots system on a 320, 330, 340 or 777 for that matter which could crash the aircraft based on a single faulty sensor input but perhaps you can enlighten us.

Well if you search hard enough you can find problems with most if not all aircraft.

goingnowhere · 30-06-2021 3:04pm

A330 is basically a clean sheet design which uses the slightly improved FBW vs the A320 but it does share the structural barrel dimensions of the A300. It is built and certified to standards of the day i.e. early 1990's, i.e no legacy issue. Ok it was never intended to be a long hauler but it came good. B777 is a clean sheet with nothing carried over, first Boeing with a FBW. Both are exceptional aircraft of the modern era, safe.

The 737 is basically a 1960's bit of kit, its got all kinds of wires and pulleys, here is what is scary, take the L1 door off a 737-100 and try to fit it to a MAX, so might be surprised. A child could open any primary A320 or later airbus door, and there is plenty of space to get out quickly, B737 door is a real throwback.

Boeing should have ditched the 737 back before the NG, it could have taken the fight to airbus but it didn't. A 737 v2 with 777 tech would have left Airbus in trouble, the NEO is a really small update really and Airbus can still outsell.

Hotblack Desiato · 01-07-2021 2:32am

California Dreamer wrote: »

Well if you search hard enough you can find problems with most if not all aircraft.

None of the other aircraft mentioned had to be grounded worldwide for nearly two years.

California Dreamer · 01-07-2021 7:30am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

None of the other aircraft mentioned had to be grounded worldwide for nearly two years.

And now its probably the safest of all the aircraft out there with the amount of checks and tests that it undertook.

ExoPolitic · 01-07-2021 5:33pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

And now its probably the safest of all the aircraft out there with the amount of checks and tests that it undertook.

You trust people too much.

LiamaDelta · 05-07-2021 10:23am

Has anyone seen the Max on the FR booking engine yet? It has done a few STN-DUB-STN rotations but never seems to show on the booking engine/seat plan

Hotblack Desiato · 09-07-2022 9:52pm

Interesting video - MAX8-200 - relevant bits are from 3:00 to 3:10 :

https://youtu.be/rlHSnmywZTY?t=180

Spoilers for roll control just after rotation? In other words dumping lift at the most critical phase of flight? I know the B-52 does this to the extent that many -Gs and all -Hs have no ailerons, but on a civil airliner seems really odd (and you can see the aileron up deflection in the video), does the NG do this? The 52 has a very twisty wing which probably wouldn't get certified on a civil.

Hotblack Desiato · 09-07-2022 10:05pm

I suppose the function of an outboard up-aileron on a long wing has the same effect, reduce lift otherwise it wouldn't work 😁 it's just that spoilers seem rather draggy. Would be interested to learn whether NGs, 320s, etc etc do this at low/rotation speeds.

kevinandrew · 10-07-2022 6:26pm

The NG does the same, quite common I'd say.

Ryanair 1st 737 Max en route

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