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thegreengoblin · 05-12-2017 10:37pm

Tomas White Suspect wrote: »

"A Mole, digging in a hole"
"You know some places are like your Auntie,but there's no place like Miami"
"An intellectual tortoise"
"Hot as a hair dryer in your face/hot as a handbag and a can of mace"
"Password. You. Enter here. Right now."

I beg to differ that they're not

Not getting what's embarrassing about "In the rubble of Aleppo/Flowers blooming in the shadows" tbh

Agree to disagree so!
With the exception of Miami, those lyrics you quoted are from and after when the quality began to drop, in the late 90s as I was pointing out. Previous to that he was brilliant at writing lyrics.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 05-12-2017 10:43pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Agree to disagree so!
With the exception of Miami, those lyrics you quoted are from and after when the quality began to drop, in the late 90s as I was pointing out. Previous to that he was brilliant at writing lyrics.

Fair enough.
I like the album. Not a song I dislike it on it. Picked up from where the last album left off.

Love the focus put on the rhythm section and love the vocal harmonies and use of synths and strings.

The Little Things is a classic U2 song for me

MisterAnarchy · 05-12-2017 11:30pm

Tomas White Suspect wrote: »

Summer Of Love...It's a One Republic song, or part one. They were working on that last year from what I gather.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWZxGRR12o

Again, I know the guy produced it. Maybe he gave them the idea. Producers do that. It's their job. Eno, Lanois, Flood, Lilywhite have all done it. It's what a producer is there for.

Thats pretty embarrassing ,its the exact same song !

It confirms what I have long believed about the band ,they are out of ideas.
The songs on the last 2 albums are a combination of old songs they didnt release before and stuff they got off other bands .

tritriagain · 06-12-2017 12:11am

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Thats pretty embarrassing ,its the exact same song !

It confirms what I have long believed about the band ,they are out of ideas.
The songs on the last 2 albums are a combination of old songs they didnt release before and stuff they got off other bands .

I have to say I love the new album. You are entitled to your opinion of course. But for me I feel it's their best in a long time.

PropJoe10 · 06-12-2017 12:17am

Its a decent album, for sure, but the edge (no pun intended) is gone from U2's music since Pop.

I've often felt that they'd benefit as a creative band if they worked with other people. I saw that Larry Mullen played drums on Alice Cooper's new album, which is cool, but Edge and Bono should go out and collaborate with other artists, or even do solo projects. It must be incredibly hard to keep coming up with fresh ideas when they only seem to work on music as part of U2.

dublinman1990 · 06-12-2017 1:01am

I bought the deluxe album today on CD with the bonus tracks.

Out of those songs; I loved the St Peter's string version of Light of Home as it sounded great to me. I thought the acoustics from it sounded brilliant. The Little things that give you away was a great song in the album. I think this particular song is one of their best works ever in years. I was a little disappointed in The Blackout because I thought the live music video version of the song on YouTube sounded much better and it had more of an better atmosphere. It is still a decent bit of work from these guys; but I think it would be better if that song was sung out live in front of an audience rather than in a studio setting.

Overall I'm very happy with what U2 have produced for SOE. I still think that it is a solid album with some really terrific songs in there. I'd say this because a lot of the songs have a uplifting and a very positive feeling to them. I think this album will have a high amount of sales coming from this release. I have a feeling that this will come true some day for U2. They deserve all the credit that is due to them.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 1:08am

Tomas White Suspect wrote: »

Disagree massively with the bold and underlined part.

That is one my favourite parts on the entire album. It's a great part of the song and the song is one of my favourites. Reminds me of a song straight from the War era of the band

Red Flag Day
The Blackout
Love Is Bigger Than Anything In It's Way
GOOYOW
Little Things

They're all top tracks to me. I'd even lump a large part of American Soul in there too. I absolutely love the groove of the verses in that song. Absolutely top notch.

Summer Of Love...It's a One Republic song, or part one. They were working on that last year from what I gather.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWZxGRR12o

Again, I know the guy produced it. Maybe he gave them the idea. Producers do that. It's their job. Eno, Lanois, Flood, Lilywhite have all done it. It's what a producer is there for.

Couldn't tell you other than that though

Eno and Lanois have got songwriting credits before where they were due (although you suspect they probably could have got more). Presumably the One Republic lads get one too? I didn't buy the album so I don't know what it says on the sleeve. They'd certainly want to be getting songwriting credits from the sounds of it!

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 1:28am

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Thats pretty embarrassing ,its the exact same song !

It confirms what I have long believed about the band ,they are out of ideas.
The songs on the last 2 albums are a combination of old songs they didnt release before and stuff they got off other bands .

It’s something U2 have done plenty of times before, Do you feel loved on POP also borrowed a riff as did many other songs. It’s pretty common in music. A producer shares an idea and they interpret that riff into a song.

It’s nowhere near embarrassing.

And yes goblin, Ryan Tedder is a producer and was on SOI too.

Some seriously petty swipes but we should be well used to that when it comes to U2.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 7:57am

I think there is selective memory going on here

It's not exactly something new for any band or artist to work with or on another's creation. If we're dismissing artists because of it, I guess Elvis Presley would be top of the list so.. Rockin All Over The World ain't written by who you think it is..

I'm just curious to know what is U2's part in the creative process of the song. Was that something they came up with and the producer worked on it for awhile etc. Or did he give them that riff etc.

From what I've read from U2 fans, it appears to be that 90% like the album. While the other 10% don't. That's the most positive I've read in a long time.
If it's not for you, cool. There is other music out there. I don't like a lot of stuff out there at the moment but, I choose not to listen to it. I don't feel the need to write "pay your taxes" or "retire now" on YouTube or forums for artists I don't get.

Was said above me that it's a combination of songs they hadn't released before or reworkings of songs they didn't release before... Well, yeah that's normally how these things work.. City of Blinding Lights, there was a version of that supposed to be on Pop but, it was reworked. Sweetest Thing was released and reworked in 1998, 11 years after it was made. Wake Up Dead Man was going to be on Achtung Baby or Zooropa but, was reworked. I could go on
I genuinely do not know of any band that has never done that in their careers

On anothet note, The Little Things That Give You Away... Everyone, from what I've read, seems to think this is a U2 classic.

The Nal · 06-12-2017 10:27am

Tomas White Suspect wrote: »

From what I've read from U2 fans, it appears to be that 90% like the album. While the other 10% don't.

U2 lost their original and even their 90s fanbase years ago. Their new fanbase is made up of people who cycle between nice easy listening stuff like Keane, Snow Patrol, the Killers and Coldplay etc and then U2. Depending on who has an album out that week. Theres nothing different between U2 and those bands now. Not a single thing.

Have to say the defence of the new album when anyone says anything remotely negative is hilarious. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 10:40am

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

It’s something U2 have done plenty of times before, Do you feel loved on POP also borrowed a riff as did many other songs. It’s pretty common in music. A producer shares an idea and they interpret that riff into a song.

It’s nowhere near embarrassing.

And yes goblin, Ryan Tedder is a producer and was on SOI too.

Some seriously petty swipes but we should be well used to that when it comes to U2.

I'm not having any petty swipes. I'm simply curious to know the background to this song. Does Tedder and Co get a songwriting credit, yes or no? This isn't just a case of borrowing a riff...it's more or less the actual song.

I'm well aware of U2 and producers having a say in the band's music. Had U2 never met Eno and Lanois then much of their recorded output would have sounded very different to the music we know and love today. I've always looked at those two as extra members in a way and never had a problem with it. Artists do what they have to in order to get the best out of themselves. But this particular track I'd just love to know did they basically use a One Republic song for themselves or what.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 10:43am

Not liking an album is fine, but making certain claims that are clearly bullsh!t will be called out on.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 10:47am

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I'm not having any petty swipes. I'm simply curious to know the background to this song. Does Tedder and Co get a songwriting credit, yes or no? This isn't just a case of borrowing a riff...it's more or less the actual song.

I'm well aware of U2 and producers having a say in the band's music. Had U2 never met Eno and Lanois then much of their recorded output would have sounded very different to the music we know and love today. I've always looked at those two as extra members in a way and never had a problem with it. Artists do what they have to in order to get the best out of themselves. But this particular track I'd just love to know did they basically use a One Republic song for themselves or what.

Yes, Tedder is a producer on this and SOI, I say, for the second time.

It’s the riff. U2 have used riffs belonging to eno, lanois etc before.

Strange it’s suddenly a problem.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 10:59am

The Nal wrote: »

U2 lost their original and even their 90s fanbase years ago. Their new fanbase is made up of people who cycle between nice easy listening stuff like Keane, Snow Patrol, the Killers and Coldplay etc and then U2. Depending on who has an album out that week. Theres nothing different between U2 and those bands now. Not a single thing.

Have to say the defence of the new album when anyone says anything remotely negative is hilarious. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

I'm an older U2 fan.
I don't listen to Keane, Coldplay, Snow Patrol or The Killers.

I also know of people who have been fans since TUF in the mid 80s..

Me thinks you're full of ****e

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 11:00am

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I'm not having any petty swipes. I'm simply curious to know the background to this song. Does Tedder and Co get a songwriting credit, yes or no? This isn't just a case of borrowing a riff...it's more or less the actual song.

I'm well aware of U2 and producers having a say in the band's music. Had U2 never met Eno and Lanois then much of their recorded output would have sounded very different to the music we know and love today. I've always looked at those two as extra members in a way and never had a problem with it. Artists do what they have to in order to get the best out of themselves. But this particular track I'd just love to know did they basically use a One Republic song for themselves or what.

I'm reading it's a song One Republic were working on called West Coast. I'm then reading it's a song U2 wrote for One Republic and U2 decided to use it for themselves.

Either way, we're not going to get an answer for the time being. Good song though

innuendo141 · 06-12-2017 11:10am

Anyone's order status update yet? Mine hasn't. This is a balls now at this stage. As others said, it was expensive enough! Would have been here on Friday/Monday had it been Amazon

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 11:51am

The funniest thing about goblin and co moaning about this record and the fact it's not Achtung Baby II is that it's 2017 and they've released 4 other albums in the 2000s that you guys seemingly hated or disliked......so why are you still listening to them?! It's bizarre. Get the hint, they're not for you, try another band.

A lot of toys being thrown out the pram as if this was the follow up to AB rather than almost 30 years down the line.

You can only truly compare it against their more recent work, and I think it might even be their best album since POP. Strange then to tackle it as if it is the antichrist.

It's far better than HTDAAB.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:01pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Yes, Tedder is a producer on this and SOI, I say, for the second time.

It’s the riff. U2 have used riffs belonging to eno, lanois etc before.

Strange it’s suddenly a problem.

I think you're the one with a problem. I simply would like to know the background to a song. What's the problem with that? I know Tedder is a producer on this and SOI. I didn't even question this so why are you telling me again? Bizarre stuff!

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:07pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

The funniest thing about goblin and co moaning about this record and the fact it's not Achtung Baby II is that it's 2017 and they've released 4 other albums in the 2000s that you guys seemingly hated or disliked......so why are you still listening to them?! It's bizarre. Get the hint, they're not for you, try another band.

A lot of toys being thrown out the pram as if this was the follow up to AB rather than almost 30 years down the line.

You can only truly compare it against their more recent work, and I think it might even be their best album since POP. Strange then to tackle it as if it is the antichrist.

It's far better than HTDAAB.

Seriously you're just talking nonsense now. Absolutely nowhere did I state I was looking for Achtung Baby part 2. In fact a few pages ago I even asked why someone would want that from the band as it would make them artistically redundant.

As for moaning...I didn't realise that only people who liked the album were allowed comment in this thread. It's all about opinions. If you don't like mine fair enough but taking this utterly bizarre defensive line where people can feck off if they don't like the album is quite frankly laughable.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 12:07pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

The funniest thing about goblin and co moaning about this record and the fact it's not Achtung Baby II is that it's 2017 and they've released 4 other albums in the 2000s that you guys seemingly hated or disliked......so why are you still listening to them?! It's bizarre. Get the hint, they're not for you, try another band.

A lot of toys being thrown out the pram as if this was the follow up to AB rather than almost 30 years down the line.

You can only truly compare it against their more recent work, and I think it might even be their best album since POP. Strange then to tackle it as if it is the antichrist.

It's far better than HTDAAB.

Quite like HTDAAB. Well, the first half of it anyways. Original Of The Species is a tune.

I get people not liking an album or a piece of music. That's cool and all.
But, there are people looking for something that doesn't exist, which I find strange.
I don't particularly want an album full of songs like "Miami" or "Numb" or 12 minute Jazz solos, mixed with hip hop and tremolo guitars. I'll look to other artists for that.

I saw a comment online the other day.. Some fella wants them to hook up with Lillywhite again, go into a basic studio and record a reggae album..

Kind of hard to get my head around that tbh

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 12:08pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Seriously you're just talking nonsense now. Absolutely nowhere did I state I was looking for Achtung Baby part 2. In fact a few pages ago I even asked why someone would want that from the band as it would make them artistically redundant.

As for moaning...I didn't realise that only people who liked the album were allowed comment in this thread. It's all about opinions. If you don't like mine fair enough but taking this utterly bizarre defensive line where people can feck off if they don't like the album is quite frankly laughable.

Didn't you say before though you wanted less guitar or less of The Edge on the album?

Kind of got your wish on some tracks tbf

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:11pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Seriously you're just talking nonsense now. Absolutely nowhere did I state I was looking for Achtung Baby part 2. In fact a few pages ago I even asked why someone would want that from the band as it would make them artistically redundant.

As for moaning...I didn't realise that only people who liked the album were allowed comment in this thread. It's all about opinions. If you don't like mine fair enough but taking this utterly bizarre defensive line where people can feck off if they don't like the album is quite frankly laughable.

You've said Bono lost the ability to write lyrics since the 90s. We're in 2017 now, maybe take a hint.

Opinions are welcome, but not from someone who hasn't enjoyed an album of theirs in 20 years. That's just bizarre self harm right there. Maybe try a different band. They're clearly not for you anymore.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:13pm

Tomas White Suspect wrote: »

Didn't you say before though you wanted less guitar or less of The Edge on the album?

Kind of got your wish on some tracks tbf

It's hardly the same thing as looking for Achtung Baby Part 2 which is what the other fella is accusing me of!

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:15pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You've said Bono lost the ability to write lyrics since the 90s. We're in 2017 now, maybe take a hint.

Opinions are welcome, but not from someone who hasn't enjoyed an album of theirs in 20 years. That's just bizarre self harm right there. Maybe try a different band. They're clearly not for you anymore.

Jesus Christ! Once again, point out where I've said I haven't enjoyed an album of theirs in 20 years and get back to me.

Bizarre self harm? You've lost the fking plot here altogether.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 12:16pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

It's hardly the same thing as looking for Achtung Baby Part 2 which is what the other fella is accusing me of!

Well, I find the reggae thing stranger than anyone looking for another AB tbf..

But yeah, you kind of got your wish in that regard. There's a lot less of his sound on tracks, with the exception of The Best Thing, Little Things and Get Out Of Your Own Way....

Although, his sound on The Blackout wouldn't be out of place on AB or Pop

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:16pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Jesus Christ! Once again, point out where I've said I haven't enjoyed an album of theirs in 20 years and get back to me.

Bizarre self harm? You've lost the fking plot here altogether.

You said he has lost the ability to write lyrics since the 90s.

So where do you rank this in their 00s albums out of interest?

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:19pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I think it's fairly obvious that U2's biggest weakness is Bono and has been for quite some time. He used to be a really brilliant lyric writer. But around the time of ATYCLB he became submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard. And he hasn't been able to come up for air since.

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Agree to disagree so!
With the exception of Miami, those lyrics you quoted are from and after when the quality began to drop, in the late 90s as I was pointing out. Previous to that he was brilliant at writing lyrics.

Seems pretty clear that you've stopped enjoying U2 since POP, 1997. Get the hint.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:23pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You said he has lost the ability to write lyrics since the 90s.

So where do you rank this in their 00s albums out of interest?

That doesn't translate as not enjoying any of their 2000s albums though. I really like most of NLOTH and listen to it a lot. So I don't have some anti-U2 2000s album agenda or whatever. I take every album on its own merits which is all that anyone can do.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:25pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

That doesn't translate as not enjoying any of their 2000s albums though. I really like most of NLOTH and listen to it a lot. So I don't have some anti-U2 2000s album agenda or whatever. I take every album on its own merits which is all that anyone can do.

Sure, but where do you rank this, out of interest, in the 00s albums?

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:28pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Seems pretty clear that you've stopped enjoying U2 since POP, 1997. Get the hint.

No, it's not pretty clear whatsoever! Where did I say I didn't like ATYCLB? And I just said I really like NLOTH. You've got some really strange notions going on in your head.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:29pm

"submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard. And he hasn't been able to come up for air since.", that's a good thing?

Still waiting for an answer to my question, where do you rank this in the 00s albums?

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:29pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Sure, but where do you rank this, out of interest, in the 00s albums?

This one is down at the bottom. But just because I think that it is doesn't mean I should 'start finding some other bands' as you so helpfully suggest. :rolleyes:

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:31pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

This one is down at the bottom. But just because I think that it is doesn't mean I should 'start finding some other bands' as you so helpfully suggest. :rolleyes:

I find it very hard to believe that you think this is a worse album than HTDAAB. But if you do, then fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

Your post about Bono and the issue SINCE ATYCLB suggested you've had a major issue with the band since 2000. In that case, yes, start finding some other bands.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 12:33pm

Tbf, It's The Nal who has the issues really.

Half the time I don't know if he is on an elaborate WUM or being serious. If the latter then, my God!!

Green Gob (haha) doesn't fancy it. It's cool. He didn't come in here firing shots and saying it was utter ****e. Entitled to his opinion and his views. and I for one welcome them. It's music, it's an emotion. Not everyone gets it.

As for ranking the albums, I personally don't do that. Although, AB will always be my number 1. The rest fluctuate

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:41pm

Tomas White Suspect wrote: »

Tbf, It's The Nal who has the issues really.

Half the time I don't know if he is on an elaborate WUM or being serious. If the latter then, my God!!

Green Gob (haha) doesn't fancy it. It's cool. He didn't come in here firing shots and saying it was utter ****e. Entitled to his opinion and his views. and I for one welcome them. It's music, it's an emotion. Not everyone gets it.

As for ranking the albums, I personally don't do that. Although, AB will always be my number 1. The rest fluctuate

Sure, but when someone says "submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard. And he hasn't been able to come up for air since.", about a guy from 2000, and seems surprised he doesn't like them in 2017, then I think there's something wrong with the person for not getting the hint.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:41pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

I find it very hard to believe that you think this is a worse album than HTDAAB. But if you do, then fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

Your post about Bono and the issue SINCE ATYCLB suggested you've had a major issue with the band since 2000. In that case, yes, start finding some other bands.

You have taken huge issue with the fact that I have the audacity to not like a U2 album. That seems to be the underlying issue with you. Do you not realise how childish it is to suggest that I should start finding some other bands? I listen to plenty of other music, thanks very much. But people are allowed be critical of U2. The world would be a very dull place if we all took the same opinion on everything.

PropJoe10 · 06-12-2017 12:43pm

HTDAAB is dreadful, for the most part. All the albums released since then have been superior in my view.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:43pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

You have taken huge issue with the fact that I have the audacity to not like a U2 album. That seems to be the underlying issue with you. Do you not realise how childish it is to suggest that I should start finding some other bands? I listen to plenty of other music, thanks very much. But people are allowed be critical of U2. The world would be a very dull place if we all took the same opinion on everything.

That's not the issue at all, I have an issue with you claiming Bono submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard. And he hasn't been able to come up for air since. Since 2000. And still, surprised you don't like the current album. So in that regard, I deem your opinion pointless.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:44pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

HTDAAB is dreadful, for the most part. All the albums released since then have been superior in my view.

It's their worst album by quite a distance.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:46pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

That's not the issue at all, I have an issue with you claiming Bono submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard. And he hasn't been able to come up for air since. Since 2000. And still, surprised you don't like the current album. So in that regard, I deem your opinion pointless.

And yet I really enjoyed NLOTH. So how do you square that one?

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:49pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

And yet I really enjoyed NLOTH. So how do you square that one?

I'd then say your statement about Bono was a load of tosh if you managed to really enjoy an album largely due to him, even though you earlier stated he was "submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard. And he hasn't been able to come up for air since. "

Maybe that's what you look for in an album, "submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard", if so, then I grossly misunderstood your statement. Thought it was a hasty critique and not a compliment :pac:

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 12:50pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

You have taken huge issue with the fact that I have the audacity to not like a U2 album. That seems to be the underlying issue with you. Do you not realise how childish it is to suggest that I should start finding some other bands? I listen to plenty of other music, thanks very much. But people are allowed be critical of U2. The world would be a very dull place if we all took the same opinion on everything.

In fairness...

Kite
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
Original Of The Species
Electrical Storm
City Of Blinding Lights
Moment Of Surrender
Magnificent
California
The Troubles
Sleep Like A Baby
Lucifer's Hands
Raised By Wolves
This Is Where You Can Reach Me Now
The Little Things That Give You Away

All have great lyrics to me

Wooderson · 06-12-2017 12:51pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

HTDAAB is dreadful, for the most part. All the albums released since then have been superior in my view.

Well said. Thats album is a mess. Did it win the Grammy that year? Jesus wept.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:52pm

I'd question anyone's sanity and opinion if they deem HTDAAB a better album than SOE.

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:53pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

I'd then say your statement about Bono was a load of tosh if you managed to really enjoy an album largely due to him, even though you earlier stated he was "submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard. And he hasn't been able to come up for air since. "

Maybe that's what you look for in an album, "submerged in his own earnestness and self-regard", if so, then I grossly misunderstood your statement. Thought it was a hasty critique and not a compliment :pac:

You have zoomed in on one aspect of my assessment of where U2's weak point is and you have run with that and won't let it go. The lyrics are not the be-all and end-all of making a good album. I never said that. I don't get hung up on it. Although you seem to think I am as you keep throwing the same line back at me all the time.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 06-12-2017 12:55pm

Wooderson wrote: »

Well said. Thats album is a mess. Did it win the Grammy that year? Jesus wept.

As Bono says, "There's not a bad song on there"
But, the way it flows or, as an album, it really "****s" him off

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:55pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

You have zoomed in on one aspect of my assessment of where U2's weak point is and you have run with that and won't let it go. The lyrics are not the be-all and end-all of making a good album. I never said that. I don't get hung up on it. Although you seem to think I am as you keep throwing the same line back at me all the time.

That's bizarre. Lyrics are very important. But yeah, another reason to ignore your opinion. Back to HTDAAB with you :pac:

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 12:57pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

I'd question anyone's sanity and opinion if they deem HTDAAB a better album than SOE.

This is another thing you've got 100 per cent wrong. I said SOE is at the bottom of my 2000s list. In no way is that the same thing as thinking HTDAAB is a good album. It's fairly dreadful for the most part. So don't even think of using that as a stick to beat me with.

johnpatrick81 · 06-12-2017 12:58pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

This is another thing you've got 100 per cent wrong. I said SOE is at the bottom of my 2000s list. In no way is that the same thing as thinking HTDAAB is a good album. It's fairly dreadful for the most part. So don't even think of using that as a stick to beat me with.

At the bottom. Which means, you think HTDAAB is better. Hence why you deserve the beating with all the sticks in the world :pac:

thegreengoblin · 06-12-2017 1:00pm

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

At the bottom. Which means, you think HTDAAB is better. Hence why you deserve the beating with all the sticks in the world :pac:

Nope, just means this one is even worse.

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