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Fight Night April 30 BT Sports 1: Conlan and Edwards

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  • #52
    Morrison J
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    Fair play to Edwards for calling out the 120-108 card. Wish more winning fighters would do the same.


  • #53
    Johner
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Fair play to Edwards for calling out the 120-108 card. Wish more winning fighters would do the same.

    Thought he spoke very well in the interview after. Most boxers are hard to listen to but that was a nice listen.


  • #54
    JacksonHeightsOwn
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    Watched the Conlon fight last fight, but the missus wanted to watch something else so didn't get to see the Edwards fight.

    I'm going to set something here, I think Adam booth is a charlatan and a fraud of a trainer.

    He's trained how many fighters now?? And In all honesty, unless they have an absolute blistering knockout punch his overly analytical, stick and move style does not work.

    He's made his name off David Haye, George Groves and perhaps Andy Lee, to a certain degree, who all had crazy one punch power.

    That "style" he has them fight is like the old school amateur point scoring style, one punch thrown to perfection then run. But in the pro game his fighters tend to get walked down, the only reason Groves and haye went as far as they did was they had crazy one punch power.

    But it seems if you don't have that power, then his style is not suited to the upper echelons of world championship boxing.

    Where are the combinations from his fighters?? The inside work? Body work?

    If Conlon wants to win a world title he's going to have to leave booth, because otherwise he'd have been better off getting trained by his father.


  • #55
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,628 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    MC is almost 30 now. A veteran of boxing

    A change camp/trainer likely won’t see much improvement...

    Booth is not the issue.

    Issues like speed and power and overall workrate are the issues..

    We still don’t know how his chin will hold up when cracked clean and hard..

    In a nutshell, from what I see......Mick seems to be missing speed/zip in his punches. They seem too slow for a lighter weight fighter..

    His defence is very good when he concentrates, but against proper class opposition he could well be exposed when he commits on offence.

    Workrate: take last night. For circa 5 rounds he bullied that lad in the walking down sense, but did very little in the punching/landing/hurting sense; Baluta was still out working him even though Baluta was being pushed all around. That has to change. Mick has to get to work with his hands much more.


  • #56
    blade1
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    JacksonHeightsOwn wrote: »
    Watched the Conlon fight last fight, but the missus wanted to watch something else so didn't get to see the Edwards fight.

    I'm going to set something here, I think Adam booth is a charlatan and a fraud of a trainer.

    He's trained how many fighters now?? And In all honesty, unless they have an absolute blistering knockout punch his overly analytical, stick and move style does not work.

    He's made his name off David Haye, George Groves and perhaps Andy Lee, to a certain degree, who all had crazy one punch power.

    That "style" he has them fight is like the old school amateur point scoring style, one punch thrown to perfection then run. But in the pro game his fighters tend to get walked down, the only reason Groves and haye went as far as they did was they had crazy one punch power.

    But it seems if you don't have that power, then his style is not suited to the upper echelons of world championship boxing.

    Where are the combinations from his fighters?? The inside work? Body work?

    If Conlon wants to win a world title he's going to have to leave booth, because otherwise he'd have been better off getting trained by his father.

    The thing is it was Conlan that was walking down his opponent but coming out second best in most of the exchanges.
    Just not good enough to make a plan effective.

    BT would have you thinking he is the new Manny Pacquiao.


  • #57
    Big Ears
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    JacksonHeightsOwn wrote: »
    Watched the Conlon fight last fight, but the missus wanted to watch something else so didn't get to see the Edwards fight.

    I'm going to set something here, I think Adam booth is a charlatan and a fraud of a trainer.

    He's trained how many fighters now?? And In all honesty, unless they have an absolute blistering knockout punch his overly analytical, stick and move style does not work.

    He's made his name off David Haye, George Groves and perhaps Andy Lee, to a certain degree, who all had crazy one punch power.

    That "style" he has them fight is like the old school amateur point scoring style, one punch thrown to perfection then run. But in the pro game his fighters tend to get walked down, the only reason Groves and haye went as far as they did was they had crazy one punch power.

    But it seems if you don't have that power, then his style is not suited to the upper echelons of world championship boxing.

    Where are the combinations from his fighters?? The inside work? Body work?

    If Conlon wants to win a world title he's going to have to leave booth, because otherwise he'd have been better off getting trained by his father.

    [Cough] Ryan Burnett [Cough/]

    Not many combinations from Conlan last night alright, but plenty of body work. There were rounds where he threw little other than the right hook to the body.

    To be honest Conlan wasn't looking great in his pro career till Booth got his hands on him. He still doesn't look great, but does look a lot better since Booth started training him and any slim chance of him getting a World title will come under Adam Booth imo.


  • #58
    JacksonHeightsOwn
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    Big Ears wrote: »
    [Cough] Ryan Burnett [Cough/]

    Not many combinations from Conlan last night alright, but plenty of body work. There were rounds where he threw little other than the right hook to the body.

    To be honest Conlan wasn't looking great in his pro career till Booth got his hands on him. He still doesn't look great, but does look a lot better since Booth started training him and any slim chance of him getting a World title will come under Adam Booth imo.

    Did you enjoy watching Ryan burnett?

    He was horrible to watch,


  • #59
    walshb
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    JacksonHeightsOwn wrote: »
    Did you enjoy watching Ryan burnett?

    He was horrible to watch,

    I never took to Burnett as regards viewing.....very disjointed and awkward style...


  • #60
    SHOVELLER
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    walshb wrote: »
    I never took to Burnett as regards viewing.....very disjointed and awkward style...

    Was bossing Donaire though until his freak injury. As an aside check out what Burnett looks like now compared to when he was fighting!

    Anyway watched whole fight after and thought Mick did win it but like a lot of times I've seen him live one is left waiting for him to really let his hands go. No doubting how teak tough Baluta is but as said Mick needs to be performing in these fights. Overall he was more accurate and a lot of shots coming in were either fresh air or hitting arms and shoulders.

    Quality over quantity won it for him. I can still see Mick getting a World title shot.


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  • #61
    Big Ears
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    JacksonHeightsOwn wrote: »
    Did you enjoy watching Ryan burnett?

    He was horrible to watch,

    Tbh I loved watching Burnett fight.
    His performance against Haskins was a clinic and I was only delighted to be in Belfast to see him unify Vs Zhakiyanov.

    But your previous point wasn't about Booth making fighters boring, you described him as a charlatan.
    He did amazing work with Burnett, and like Shoveller I agree he was bossing Donaire till the injury (he actually went in with an existing problem I believe) and would have won that fight with ease.

    You also said he could only be successful with fighters who have power, and Burnett wasn't a puncher. Even if that were true, it was Booth who showed Andy Lee how to turn his hips into his hook, and it was also Booth who taught and reinforced Andy to get low on the inside whenever hooking and exchanging with his opponent.
    Without those amendments, Lee doesn't catch Korobov with that right hook and doesn't win the WBO title.

    When Booth took Matty Askin on board I remember several people questioning what Booth was doing wasting his time with an area level fighter.
    Matty Askin became a solid British champion and fringe European level.

    Not everyone he trains goes on to be a World beater, but the majority do get significantly better. Are certain fighters more stylistically suited to him than others ?, sure, but that probably applies to all trainers.
    He's no charlatan anyway and from the outside looking in, is probably one of the best trainers the UK has produced in the last couple of decades.


  • #62
    JacksonHeightsOwn
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    Big Ears wrote: »
    Tbh I loved watching Burnett fight.
    His performance against Haskins was a clinic and I was only delighted to be in Belfast to see him unify Vs Zhakiyanov.

    But your previous point wasn't about Booth making fighters boring, you described him as a charlatan.
    He did amazing work with Burnett, and like Shoveller I agree he was bossing Donaire till the injury (he actually went in with an existing problem I believe) and would have won that fight with ease.

    You also said he could only be successful with fighters who have power, and Burnett wasn't a puncher. Even if that were true, it was Booth who showed Andy Lee how to turn his hips into his hook, and it was also Booth who taught and reinforced Andy to get low on the inside whenever hooking and exchanging with his opponent.
    Without those amendments, Lee doesn't catch Korobov with that right hook and doesn't win the WBO title.

    When Booth took Matty Askin on board I remember several people questioning what Booth was doing wasting his time with an area level fighter.
    Matty Askin became a solid British champion and fringe European level.

    Not everyone he trains goes on to be a World beater, but the majority do get significantly better. Are certain fighters more stylistically suited to him than others ?, sure, but that probably applies to all trainers.
    He's no charlatan anyway and from the outside looking in, is probably one of the best trainers the UK has produced in the last couple of decades.

    Very valid points,

    But Ryan burnett only had 4 losses on his amateur record, and two of those where against the same azaerbaijany fighter, woke fighting in Azerbaijan and the only time burnett boxed him outside of Azerbaijan, Burnet won.

    So he was no slouch to begin with.

    I personally hated watching Burnett under booth, but that's probably a personal preference to be fair.

    Maybe my "charlatan" label was a bit harsh. So I'll leave it at "over rated" instead.


  • #63
    megadodge
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    Just to add to Big Ears post I'm another one here who loved watching Burnett box.

    Very classy, very smart, just an all-rounder who didn't have a big punch.... which with certain clueless people on here means they're not that good, despite boxing history proving this to be complete bullsh*t.

    As for Adam Booth, I think he's an outstanding trainer and has nothing to prove in my eyes.

    On Conlan, I do think he needs to let his hands go a lot more. He was making him miss but not making him pay. He also could use his very good jab a lot more especially when closing the distance. I still have faith in him though. He's a smart cookie and I believe he'll keep working and improving.


  • #64
    squinn2912
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    Just catching up on last night’s fights (partly to keep away from Parker Chisora)

    Conlon was lucky enough to get that but I did have him by a whisker. I’d be concerned by how he finished I think he lost the last 4 rounds.

    Edwards had a brilliant performance he was streets ahead all night. Opponent is well finished. Good fighter but he’s stayed too long and should retire imo. Some of it reminded me of the fight where Adonis Stevenson got badly injured.


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