Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread X: [****]

stephen_n · 03-08-2018 3:32pm

The track top is €80 the other ones are €60 I think

Yeah_Right · 03-08-2018 6:19pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Crusaders, Hurricanes, Chiefs and Blues. Did they do a deal with NZ rugby that included the Super Rugby teams?

Yes. All SR teams. All NZ rep sides (age groups, women, 7s) and all the Heartland Championship teams. It's worth millions to the NZRU.

I'm looking forward to seeing Leinster's new black jersey.

stephen_n · 03-08-2018 6:30pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Yes. All SR teams. All NZ rep sides (age groups, women, 7s) and all the Heartland Championship teams. It's worth millions to the NZRU.

I'm looking forward to seeing Leinster's new black jersey.

I just hope refs start treating us the same way when we wear it.

salmocab · 03-08-2018 6:37pm

All blacks are almost like a southern Leinster in the new world

scott1974 · 03-08-2018 11:25pm

Peregrine · 03-08-2018 11:47pm

scott1974 wrote: »

I think Ulster might be relying a little too heavily on their academy this season.

Rigor Mortis · 04-08-2018 11:10am

Peregrine wrote: »

I think Ulster might be relying a little too heavily on their academy this season.

It's make a pleasant change from them relying on our academy:D

CatFromHue · 04-08-2018 1:38pm

scott1974 wrote: »

now that's a tan, that's a proper tan

04-08-2018 3:01pm

Good article with ROG in the examiner. One particular piece stood out:

We were 29 points down at home to the Waratahs in one seminal moment and won the game. Ever since, it’s felt like ‘we can sort this’. Fast-forward to last weekend’s semi-final and it’s the Hurricanes again. This time it was 32-7 until we let in a stupid, soft five-pointer in the game’s last play. That apart, we were utterly clinical and ruthless. And that philosophy doesn’t fall from the heavens.

I feel Leinster had an identical moment at home against Exeter this season and it put the team into a similar mental state. There was a relentlessness there for the rest of the season and it bled into the national team also.

Dubinusa · 05-08-2018 5:07pm

Imagine if Frawley can string a run of starts and play well. Imagine Carberry is a bust in Munster.
If Carberry can't lock down the 10 jersey, what does it mean for his international career.

He should win the 10 shirt based on what we've seen from him in the past. But, what if he can't?
What if R.B and Frawley outperforms him?

This move could go either way imo.

Sangre · 06-08-2018 9:37am

Dubinusa wrote: »

Imagine if Frawley can string a run of starts and play well. Imagine Carberry is a bust in Munster.
If Carberry can't lock down the 10 jersey, what does it mean for his international career.

He should win the 10 shirt based on what we've seen from him in the past. But, what if he can't?
What if R.B and Frawley outperforms him?

This move could go either way imo.

It would mean that Carbery isn't as good a player as we hoped. C'est la vie.

Dubinusa · 06-08-2018 2:42pm

It's possible, not saying he isn't as good as we all think he could be, but RB got more time at 10 last season.

durthacht · 06-08-2018 5:39pm

Do any of you have thoughts on how likely are the Leinster Academy year 3 backs to see game time this year? I'm thinking of

Leinster Rugby Academy – Year Three:
Hugo Keenan
Jack Kelly
Conor O’Brien
Jimmy O’Brien

Of those, Keenan and Jimmy O'Brien seem to have done well for the 7s but have barely played for the seniors for the seniors. This is due to be their last academy year so I guess it's now or never, but the competition in Leinster's backs is pretty intense.

I'm interested as Keenan and the O'Briens were on the 2016 junior world cup finalist team and I thought then that they would make it at senior level. It's always tough to tell I suppose.

I'm also surprised none of them (or Nash in Munster) have been linked with Ulster, who are short of numbers even with Spreight joining. They have been some of the best performing under age backs in Ireland in recent years and there seems a clearer pathway in Ulster.

DelMcG · 06-08-2018 7:48pm

OK, let's see if I'm in the minority here. Got my first proper look at all the new (non jersey) Adidas gear in Lifestyle this morning & bar one or two items, it's muck. And overpriced muck at that. The soft shell fleece & the hoodie are fine but that's it.

They really need to pull something special out of the bag with the jerseys on Wednesday...

stephen_n · 06-08-2018 7:51pm

DelMcG wrote: »

OK, let's see if I'm in the minority here. Got my first proper look at all the new (non jersey) Adidas gear in Lifestyle this morning & bar one or two items, it's muck. And overpriced muck at that. The soft shell fleece & the hoodie are fine but that's it.

They really need to pull something special out of the bag with the jerseys on Wednesday...

Training tops are nice, got one of each. The track top is lovely but at €80 is too expensive as are the zip up hoodies at €75. Thought the rain jacket is nice too but don’t need one, so not shelling out €70 on it. Shorts are absolute muck and the polos are a bit gank too.

salmocab · 06-08-2018 9:03pm

DelMcG wrote: »

OK, let's see if I'm in the minority here. Got my first proper look at all the new (non jersey) Adidas gear in Lifestyle this morning & bar one or two items, it's muck. And overpriced muck at that. The soft shell fleece & the hoodie are fine but that's it.

They really need to pull something special out of the bag with the jerseys on Wednesday...

I'd agree T-shirts in particular are muck some of the other gear looks okay, prices are a joke though.

Squidgy Black · 06-08-2018 9:31pm

durthacht wrote: »

Do any of you have thoughts on how likely are the Leinster Academy year 3 backs to see game time this year? I'm thinking of

Of those, Keenan and Jimmy O'Brien seem to have done well for the 7s but have barely played for the seniors for the seniors. This is due to be their last academy year so I guess it's now or never, but the competition in Leinster's backs is pretty intense.

I'm interested as Keenan and the O'Briens were on the 2016 junior world cup finalist team and I thought then that they would make it at senior level. It's always tough to tell I suppose.

I'm also surprised none of them (or Nash in Munster) have been linked with Ulster, who are short of numbers even with Spreight joining. They have been some of the best performing under age backs in Ireland in recent years and there seems a clearer pathway in Ulster.

COB got a couple of games last year, could see him playing again in the pro14 due to numbers at centre.

Keenan and JOB will be flat out on the 7s circuit this year given the year we've had, and they're both consistent parts of that squad.

Burkie1203 · 06-08-2018 9:37pm

salmocab wrote: »

I'd agree T-shirts in particular are muck some of the other gear looks okay, prices are a joke though.

One of the t-shirts is ok.

Saw the Munster jerseys up close. Euro jersey is terrible, just random coloured small squares on the jersey. Away jersey is criminal.

Am guessing the dark blue training range will mean the jersey will be similar to the highlanders jersey.

sydthebeat · 06-08-2018 9:47pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Am guessing the dark blue training range will mean the jersey will be similar to the highlanders jersey.

:eek:

they'll never go that navy... surely

but now you mention it... the training tops are very "all black"

:D

06-08-2018 10:57pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

COB got a couple of games last year, could see him playing again in the pro14 due to numbers at centre.

Keenan and JOB will be flat out on the 7s circuit this year given the year we've had, and they're both consistent parts of that squad.

Yeah I'd most often be in complete agreement, but he's got a bit of class about him and he's clearly caught the eye of not just the Leinster coaches but the national selectors also.

I don't expect him to force his way into anything, but I reckon he'll keep putting in performances and will never fully leave the conversation either.

Richie_Rich89 · 07-08-2018 3:28am

I'm not too sure about this Joe Tomane lad's credentials as a 12. Am I right in thinking that he never played inside centre before moving to Montpellier? Playing a few games there in the retirement league that is the Top14 doesn't count for much in my book.

What kind of a player is he? Is he a dependable defender who can be trusted to put in a lot of physical tackles, like Robbie Henshaw, say? Or is he inclined to slip off a few?

Does he have the nous in attack to fix his defender and time the pass correctly?

I just wonder whether switching McFadden into 12 would have been a better option - that would have opened up more gametime on the wing for Daly as well.

Time will tell

salmocab · 07-08-2018 3:45am

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I'm not too sure about this Joe Tomane lad's credentials as a 12. Am I right in thinking that he never played inside centre before moving to Montpellier? Playing a few games there in the retirement league that is the Top14 doesn't count for much in my book.

What kind of a player is he? Is he a dependable defender who can be trusted to put in a lot of physical tackles, like Robbie Henshaw, say? Or is he inclined to slip off a few?

Does he have the nous in attack to fix his defender and time the pass correctly?

I just wonder whether switching McFadden into 12 would have been a better option - that would have opened up more gametime on the wing for Daly as well.

Time will tell

Was he brought in to play 12?

Richie_Rich89 · 07-08-2018 4:02am

salmocab wrote: »

Was he brought in to play 12?

Oh, I'd say so, primarily. I mean, there's no need/space elsewhere. Although, of course, he could end up playing some games on the wing. Perhaps the breakdown by position will be similar to Nacewa in his last season.

Buer · 07-08-2018 9:17am

I would imagine he'll shift around as required. He didn't play in the centre at all before the T14 but played plenty after going to France in the T14 and the ECC both of which are comfortably of a higher standard than the run of the mill Pro14 games. The only way he plays in a high level match for Leinster in the centre is if Ringrose or Henshaw is injured and, if that's the case, I'm grand with him as a back up. He's more than capable of slotting in on the wing as a starter at any level we play this season too.

I expect him to play 12 in some Pro14 games when the international players are unavailable or possibly at 13 with ROL or Reid playing inside him. Regardless, I've few concerns over him wherever he is lining out.

stephen_n · 07-08-2018 9:22am

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I just wonder whether switching McFadden into 12 would have been a better option - that would have opened up more gametime on the wing for Daly as well.

Time will tell

I’m a big fan of Fergs but in all honesty I’d prefer to see Noel Reid at 12 than Ferg. Tomane has always impressed both in defence and attack when he’s played for Montpelier against us. He may not be on Isa’s level (who is), but he’ll be a step up on what we have. Though I could say ROL playing 12 with Tomane outside him.

07-08-2018 9:58am

Presume we'll be lucky to get some random facebook stream of the pre season game this Friday. I'd imagine it will be a 30 man squad with Ruddock in as captain.

When is VDF due back does anyone know?

Taking the wife and kids to the Newcastle game - will be great having NH rugby back albeit I watched a lot more super rugby this year than previous years. Super rugby final was quite one sided, would love to see how Leinster would fare against the Crusaders.

arsebiscuits1 · 07-08-2018 10:24am

durthacht wrote: »

Do any of you have thoughts on how likely are the Leinster Academy year 3 backs to see game time this year? I'm thinking of

Of those, Keenan and Jimmy O'Brien seem to have done well for the 7s but have barely played for the seniors for the seniors. This is due to be their last academy year so I guess it's now or never, but the competition in Leinster's backs is pretty intense.

I'm interested as Keenan and the O'Briens were on the 2016 junior world cup finalist team and I thought then that they would make it at senior level. It's always tough to tell I suppose.

I'm also surprised none of them (or Nash in Munster) have been linked with Ulster, who are short of numbers even with Spreight joining. They have been some of the best performing under age backs in Ireland in recent years and there seems a clearer pathway in Ulster.

Keenan and JOB have become pretty integral parts of the 7s squad. With the world series qualification and the Olympics the 2 short/ medium term goals, I can see them focusing on that this year and be released at the end of this year from the Academy and hopefully their 7s career succeeds.

Jack Kelly showed reasonable promise at underage I remember but wasn't exactly prodigious. Had a disappointing season last year with injuries.

Looks like it might be a straight shoot out between COB and Tom Daly for the squad 12 role. Both similar size and weight. COB looks like he might have a bit more to his skill set. Quite possible that neither of them make it. Gavin Mullen (capped likely due to injuries to both above) and Tommy O'Brien both could prove themselves to be options at 12 also

arsebiscuits1 · 07-08-2018 10:33am

Deleted User wrote: »

Presume we'll be lucky to get some random facebook stream of the pre season game this Friday. I'd imagine it will be a 30 man squad with Ruddock in as captain.

When is VDF due back does anyone know?

Taking the wife and kids to the Newcastle game - will be great having NH rugby back albeit I watched a lot more super rugby this year than previous years. Super rugby final was quite one sided, would love to see how Leinster would fare against the Crusaders.

Given he's only running a few weeks I would say he's targeting an October come back.

http://www.the42.ie/jordi-murphy-van-der-flier-inspiration-3995595-May2018/

He said here he is aiming for September.

Given when he started running I think (with literally no medical knowledge or info to back it up) that October is more likely

Dubinusa · 07-08-2018 3:19pm

Losing guys to 7's isn't ideal. Why would they be cut? J.O.B appears to be a very good player, surely he wouldn't be stuck as 7's player.

Dubinusa · 07-08-2018 3:22pm

Keenan is a natural successor to Ferg/ D.K. I think it's madness to just let them go. Why even play 7's if you are not going to the pro ranks?
Jack Kelly from what I have seen is not as good as Keenan and J.O.B.

CowGoesMoo100 · 07-08-2018 3:41pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

Keenan is a natural successor to Ferg/ D.K. I think it's madness to just let them go. Why even play 7's if you are not going to the pro ranks?
Jack Kelly from what I have seen is not as good as Keenan and J.O.B.

Don't rate Keenan at all.Kelly is way better than him IMO.Can't really compare him to JOB though. Different positions.

pickarooney · 07-08-2018 4:08pm

Is international 7s pro?

Clegg · 07-08-2018 4:35pm

Sexton is the new Leinster captain and Ruddock the new vice-captain.

https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/1026853913553788929?s=19

arsebiscuits1 · 07-08-2018 4:43pm

Clegg wrote: »

Sexton is the new Leinster captain and Ruddock the new vice-captain.

https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/1026853913553788929?s=19

Initially was a bit unsure as Sexton hardly lines out for us.

But he was capped 12 times last season and Isa was only capped 15 so it evened out ha

VANG1 · 07-08-2018 5:45pm

According to breaking news planning has been approved for the RDS

Uriel. · 07-08-2018 6:42pm

VANG1 wrote: »

According to breaking news planning has been approved for the RDS

It's effectively a renewal of an expiring permission. Is development still expected to commence next summer.

An extra c. 740 seats ain't all that exciting but I just hope the comfort and viewing experience are greatly improved.

Squidgy Black · 07-08-2018 7:12pm

pickarooney wrote: »

Is international 7s pro?

I think it's semi-pro. Majority of the players are in the academy system/extended provincial squads.

Not sure what kind of money the likes of Terry Kennedy, Dardis etc would be on now that they've been released.

Squidgy Black · 07-08-2018 7:35pm

So Johnny's captain for the season, with Rhys as vice captain.

I'm not too convinced on that decision to be honest. He's obviously a leader and one of the head honchos of the squad, but with his reputation with refs (due to being a flyhalf who are always moanbags) and also due to potentially being rested because of the RWC it's a strange one.

awec · 07-08-2018 8:18pm

I am surprised tbh, always felt Sexton was too mouthy/whingey to be an effective captain.

Faugheen · 07-08-2018 10:00pm

I always felt he'd be more of a 'lead by example' type of a leader. Someone who could lift the performance of other players.

That doesn't make him an effective captain essentialily. Personally think swapping the two choices would have been the right move.

Burkie1203 · 07-08-2018 10:26pm

Apparently lifestyle in town have a dummy ready with new jersey but it is covered over. Will have wander by in morning to see if a sneak peak is possible

Larbre34 · 07-08-2018 11:08pm

awec wrote: »

I am surprised tbh, always felt Sexton was too mouthy/whingey to be an effective captain.

"I know you hate me, but you have to talk to me" JS June 2018.

I'm sure today's news will have M. P. Gauzere rolling his eyes.

AbusesToilets · 07-08-2018 11:09pm

Clegg wrote: »

Sexton is the new Leinster captain and Ruddock the new vice-captain.

https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/1026853913553788929?s=19

Surprised at that TBH. I wonder if Rhys' injury issues are the reason he wasn't made Captain outright. I really hope he can stay healthy this year and make the 23 for the WC. Easily the best 6 playing for the last ~2 seasons.

07-08-2018 11:16pm

Rhy's is vice because Sexton rarely plays for Leinster and Ruddock will be looking for every minute he can get.

Regardless, Captains pick themselves.

kmart6 · 07-08-2018 11:19pm

Home - Blue (same as off field)
Away - Dark Green/Black
European- Navy

errlloyd · 07-08-2018 11:21pm

kmart6 wrote: »

Home - Blue (same as off field)
Away - Dark Green/Black
European- Navy

Rumour, or you've seen it?

Podge_irl · 07-08-2018 11:31pm

Dark Green/Black

Peregrine · 07-08-2018 11:37pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Dark Green/Black

That should be interesting. The only similar coloured Leinster jersey that I can remember is the one vs the Reds.

kmart6 · 07-08-2018 11:41pm

Yeah finding it hard to put a colour on it tbh, you'll see tomorrow.

Podge_irl · 07-08-2018 11:46pm

It just seems a pretty wild departure from our standard white away jersey. Maybe whoever had a hand in that black/green Ireland jersey we wore against SA is involved...

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