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Summer 2020 - General Discussion

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    You do realise I posted this on the first of June? We’ve had 3 good days since.

    Something strange going on with boards these past few days, it's opened this thread on that post a few times for me


    Another dark sunless day in Letterkenny today, drier than expected but still some drizzle on and off. I've had the heating on every single night so far this month and have yet to leave the house in a t-shirt, looking forward to a high of 13C again tomorrow...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Move to Dublin 5 or Donegal apparently they are having a cracking summer.

    It depends what you consider an Irish summer to be about


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭esposito


    Not looking forward to tomorrow’s low temperatures for summer. Thankfully it’s only one day and much warmer especially Thursday and Friday. Hopefully weekend stays dry and warm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    appledrop wrote: »
    Speaking of 2013, my phone sent me one of those photo memories of that week 7 years ago.

    I have a picture of my car thermometer at 31 degrees!

    Now I know car always warmer than actually temperature outside but still.

    I don't know if we have even reached 20 degrees yet this July at Dublin airport!

    Lack of sunshine is just unbelievable.

    Max 20.2 on the 4th.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    It depends what you consider an Irish summer to be about


    A cracking day in Donegal is much different to the rest of Ireland.
    If its cloudy maybe with the odd shower and in the low teens, most up here would class that as a lovely day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭compsys


    Max 20.2 on the 4th.


    Around 25c was reached in Dublin on three days in June.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Slate grey skies in cork city (maybe about an hour of sunshine with some breaks in the clouds), was about 17 degrees today though and humid, dropped to about 15 now. Was a wet night as the ground was saturated but no rain during the day

    LOL. I love your alternative facts!

    It rained steadily rain until 10.30am and then drizzled until 11.30. It was badly needed as according to the Met farming forecast we got 40 per cent of normal rainfall last week.

    The sun came out at 2pm and was partly sunny and very warm until 5.30pm. Temperature topped out at 21 (See yesterday's observations on Met.ie). I got sunburned for the first time this year while painting the outside of my house. It was a fine day overall in Cork city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    21.5 hours sun so far in Sligo this July

    That is about what you would expect in December

    Hurry up Dull July and just end.

    Surely August will be an improvement.

    If not 2020 will go down as a terrible Summer in the East and though July has been cack in the West we had some reasonable days with that thing "sun" in June.

    Actually yesterday the sun came out for a few minutes...hence the .5 hours at the end of 21.

    Unbelieveably too 6 hours of my sunshine figure for July was on Sunday 5th July when it was 13c with wind speeds of 80kph.

    The overriding theme of this July though has not been excessive rainfall but dullness and coldness. Last July when it was 19c I was saying to my wife but remember wasnt there a July when it was 14c nearly every day "I think it was 2011 or 2012" but this year it has been 12 or 13c. In fact Ireland is possibly colder than parts of the Arctic at present.

    Maybe when all that ice melts cool weather will be longed for but until then this is our lot for another while.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    I think Phoenix park and casement hit 20 or higher a lot more frequently than that. Coast itself would of course be cooler but I recall many days of 20 and above in PP and casement. Had to have been well into double digits I saw that during May at least

    quote="compsys;114020872"]PP hit 25c on 25th June and 26c on 2nd June also. And about 23c on 15th.

    While May was extremely sunny, it was often cool enough in Dublin, especially right by the coast due to the easterly breeze.

    Temps got to just 20 or a fraction above on around 8 or 9 days in total throughout the whole of April and May.[/quote]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Grey nothingness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Pouring rain again and will be all day here.
    12 or 13c max


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Does anyone else think MTC is just making up these forecasts from his snowdrift in Canada.
    He has no skin in the game due to his location. :D

    The only bit he's gotten right lately is clouds and rain.
    Ive not seen the bright orb in the sky in days and have the turf fire burning most nights.

    Maybe he should be summoned to appear before the Irish commmiitteeeee and suffer the consequences of the wet stuff as opposed to the "black stuff".

    Cool, damp and cloudy in North Kerry for a change :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Oooh you criticised MTC.

    That's bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Bit of rain to mix it up


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Another miserable cold wet day in Letterkenny, have a winter fleece on in the house and still feel cold, heating on again I think

    I think Phoenix park and casement hit 20 or higher a lot more frequently than that. Coast itself would of course be cooler but I recall many days of 20 and above in PP and casement. Had to have been well into double digits I saw that during May at least

    Just checked and Casement hit 20.1C on April 11th and didn't hit 20C again until the warmish spell in the last 10 days in May. Most other days were mid teens at best


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    pauldry wrote: »
    21.5 hours sun so far in Sligo this July

    That is about what you would expect in December

    Hurry up Dull July and just end.

    Surely August will be an improvement.

    If not 2020 will go down as a terrible Summer in the East and though July has been cack in the West we had some reasonable days with that thing "sun" in June.

    Actually yesterday the sun came out for a few minutes...hence the .5 hours at the end of 21.

    Unbelieveably too 6 hours of my sunshine figure for July was on Sunday 5th July when it was 13c with wind speeds of 80kph.

    The overriding theme of this July though has not been excessive rainfall but dullness and coldness. Last July when it was 19c I was saying to my wife but remember wasnt there a July when it was 14c nearly every day "I think it was 2011 or 2012" but this year it has been 12 or 13c. In fact Ireland is possibly colder than parts of the Arctic at present.

    Maybe when all that ice melts cool weather will be longed for but until then this is our lot for another while.

    Have you got a daily breakdown of sunshine hours? Genuinely intrigued where 21 hours have come from. I guess we've had a few clear evenings but there's large trees to the NW here so don't get any sun after 8pm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    It was 26c in Sligo town 30th 31st May and 1st June.

    I said to the kids to go to beach every day as we might not get a spell like it again. We used go at 9am when it was 20c and come home at 2pm coz it was too hot ...and we swam lots. Thank God we did.

    Doesnt look like we will get any more of that in 2020. Atlantic completely taking charge now and any warm days will be fairly cloudy at least in the West. Well May and June were fairly good in Sligo until that Thunderstorm on June 26th ruined the Summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    pauldry wrote: »
    Oooh you criticised MTC.

    That's bad.

    I'm sure he'll live :D

    I envy his fairly predicable weather in Canada. Perhaps we should all move!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    Pretty decent day again in Dublin, nothing special obviously but dry so at least you can be out and about handy enough. Been mostly dry since Saturday morning. Obviously would like more heat though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Is there any facotr behind the miserable summer we're having, or is it just unfortunate? April/May were fantastic. June/July have mainly been very wet. 2018/2019 were incredible summers, or maybe I just think that because they were the best in recent years.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    raining here in Meath, cool and slate grey skies.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Is there any facotr behind the miserable summer we're having, or is it just unfortunate? April/May were fantastic. June/July have mainly been very wet. 2018/2019 were incredible summers, or maybe I just think that because they were the best in recent years.

    This is certainly the worst first half of summer here in Meath since 2012, the second half of this summer may improve slightly but that remains to be seen, I think overall this is going to end up as being either a poor or very poor summer overall.

    We are now mid way through summer and about to head into the second half of summer, we may get a few dry days here and there but I doubt we'll be seeing any prolonged warm and sunny spells.

    The jetstream has been on cracking form throughout the summer and it doesn't look like it's going to stop delivering any time soon. Northern blocking looks like it is about to get going too so that could let a conveyor belt of low pressures slide under the high pressures to keep this cool and unsettled summer going.

    Of course this could all change by August, but we do seem to be heading towards a very cool and unsettled week next week with temperatures struggling generally from Sunday onwards. Temperatures in most places are already close to 2C below average for the month of July, if next week's forecast verifys we could well be more than 2C below average.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    pauldry wrote: »
    It was 26c in Sligo town 30th 31st May and 1st June.

    I said to the kids to go to beach every day as we might not get a spell like it again. We used go at 9am when it was 20c and come home at 2pm coz it was too hot ...and we swam lots. Thank God we did.

    Doesnt look like we will get any more of that in 2020. Atlantic completely taking charge now and any warm days will be fairly cloudy at least in the West. Well May and June were fairly good in Sligo until that Thunderstorm on June 26th ruined the Summer.

    And the vast majority of us couldn't do that due to covid restrictions, thats really annoying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Have you got a daily breakdown of sunshine hours? Genuinely intrigued where 21 hours have come from. I guess we've had a few clear evenings but there's large trees to the NW here so don't get any sun after 8pm

    Ok so I decided on July 1st to compare my sun with Belmullet
    Its been incredibly cloudy in Sligo so its easy but Belmullet seems to be peeking out of the clouds a lot more.

    They had sun when we had virtually none

    See below

    Belmullet July Sunshine (c/o Met Eireann)

    1 0.9
    2 0.8
    3 0
    4 0.1
    5 6.7
    6 6.6
    7 0
    8 0.4
    9 5.9
    10 10.9
    11 3.8
    12 0
    13 2.8

    Total 38.9 hours

    Sligo July Sunshine (estimate)

    1 0.9
    2 0.8
    3 0
    4 0.5
    5 5.5
    6 3
    7 0
    8 0
    9 3.5
    10 5.5
    11 1.5
    12 0
    13 0.5

    Total 21.7 hours

    Today will be easy....theres none


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    pauldry wrote: »
    Ok so I decided on July 1st to compare my sun with Belmullet
    Its been incredibly cloudy in Sligo so its easy but Belmullet seems to be peeking out of the clouds a lot more.

    They had sun when we had virtually none

    See below

    Belmullet July Sunshine (c/o Met Eireann)

    1 0.9
    2 0.8
    3 0
    4 0.1
    5 6.7
    6 6.6
    7 0
    8 0.4
    9 5.9
    10 10.9
    11 3.8
    12 0
    13 2.8

    Total 38.9 hours

    Sligo July Sunshine (estimate)

    1 0.9
    2 0.8
    3 0
    4 0
    5 5.5
    6 3
    7 0
    8 0
    9 3.5
    10 5.5
    11 1.5
    12 0
    13 0.5

    Total 21.2 hours

    Today will be easy....theres none

    Why is Sligo only an estimate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Certainly no 21 hours of sun here this month so far, more like 2 at best.

    New Moon



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    no way is there 20+ hours of sun here in Meath either this month. The only real sun we've had the entire month was in the evening a few days ago and that's been it really. At a guess we've had less than 10 hours of sun so far this July.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Why is Sligo only an estimate?

    Coz I am estimating it myself based on how much sun I am recording each day
    as well as comparing it to Belmullet.

    Not error free no way but it would be close and easy enough do when the ball in the sky doesnt want to play.

    However one mistake I may have made is that Met Eireann seem to count as sun when the sun is shining through those white clouds in a faded way and maybe we had a couple of hours of this too.

    However not nearly as much as Belmullet...especially that day they got 10 hours we had a lot of cloud before it broke up later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Gonzo wrote: »
    no way is there 20+ hours of sun here in Meath either this month. The only real sun we've had the entire month was in the evening a few days ago and that's been it really. At a guess we've had less than 10 hours of sun so far this July.

    Everywhere in Ireland that records sun for Met Eireann on their agricultural report recorded over 22 hours of sun between the 6th and 13th of July.

    Must have been at 6am or something like that.
    Anyways with the cursed Northwesterly flow that plagued our Summers in 2007 to 2012 a lot here again I know Sligo is much cloudier.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    It was interesting to watch the Wimbledon programme during last week where they were live from Wimbledon covering the tournament last year. The Presenter was saying the London weather has been very poor this summer, they called a Nadal live from Mallorca where it was low 30s and sunny whilst they said in London it was cold and wet. It seems that Northern Europe has had a poor summer. Even places like Oslo and Stockholm can get very warm summers and it’s been pretty poor there.

    Paris has had a very warm summer as I think has Berlin so maybe that’s the dividing line between good and bad weather this summer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    no way is there 20+ hours of sun here in Meath either this month. The only real sun we've had the entire month was in the evening a few days ago and that's been it really. At a guess we've had less than 10 hours of sun so far this July.

    Even during that 'sunny' evening the other day here the sun was more often hiding behind the broken cloud than not. But that aside, this current spell really shows what a poor coverage of sunshine data there is in this country.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,590 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Has there been a worse July it’s been very wet cold at times and little or no sun


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    I think there was a bad one in the 1850s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    pauldry wrote: »
    Coz I am estimating it myself based on how much sun I am recording each day
    as well as comparing it to Belmullet.

    Not error free no way but it would be close and easy enough do when the ball in the sky doesnt want to play.

    However one mistake I may have made is that Met Eireann seem to count as sun when the sun is shining through those white clouds in a faded way and maybe we had a couple of hours of this too.

    However not nearly as much as Belmullet...especially that day they got 10 hours we had a lot of cloud before it broke up later.

    You'd be better off also comparing it to Thomastown (near Eniskillen), which is closer to you than Belmullet. The UK stations give hourly sunshine totals (number of minutes of direct sunshine in the past hour) as well as hourly solar radiation figures. Pity ours don't do that too.

    Eniskillen totalled 22 hour up to and including yesterday.

    Hourly sunshine minutes.
    https://meteologix.com/ie/observations/england/sunshine-duration-min/20200714-1200z.html

    Hourly radiation.
    https://meteologix.com/ie/observations/england/global-radiation/20200714-1200z.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Has there been a worse July it’s been very wet cold at times and little or no sun

    I was scanning some data this morning comparing the first 12 days of July since the mid 70s with the current one, and yes, there has been similar or cooler ones for the period, but not many: 1988, 2002, 2012, and especially 1980, which was as much as 1.2c cooler than its 2020 equivalent.

    Rainfall wise, we have so far similar totals to 2012 (for this opening 13 day period) and also 1976 believe it or not.

    New Moon



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    It was interesting to watch the Wimbledon programme during last week where they were live from Wimbledon covering the tournament last year. The Presenter was saying the London weather has been very poor this summer, they called a Nadal live from Mallorca where it was low 30s and sunny whilst they said in London it was cold and wet. It seems that Northern Europe has had a poor summer. Even places like Oslo and Stockholm can get very warm summers and it’s been pretty poor there.

    Paris has had a very warm summer as I think has Berlin so maybe that’s the dividing line between good and bad weather this summer

    If London has been very poor what does that make Dublin? We’ve some posters telling us that the weather has been good in Dublin we’ve even had a lad who spent a few weeks in Donegal telling us it was cracking! It’s peoples perception I guess. All I can say is that it’s raining here now with a reel feel of 12 degrees and obviously the slate grey skies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,049 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Pretty decent day again in Dublin, nothing special obviously but dry so at least you can be out and about handy enough. Been mostly dry since Saturday morning. Obviously would like more heat though

    You jinxed us! Lashing rain + 12.5 degrees here in North County Dublin.

    Worse July I ever remember!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,049 ✭✭✭appledrop


    pauldry wrote: »
    It was 26c in Sligo town 30th 31st May and 1st June.

    I said to the kids to go to beach every day as we might not get a spell like it again. We used go at 9am when it was 20c and come home at 2pm coz it was too hot ...and we swam lots. Thank God we did.

    Doesnt look like we will get any more of that in 2020. Atlantic completely taking charge now and any warm days will be fairly cloudy at least in the West. Well May and June were fairly good in Sligo until that Thunderstorm on June 26th ruined the Summer.

    We went to beach 3 out of 4 days over June Bank Holiday weekend. My husband thought I was mad saying relax we have the whole summer, ha ha yea right look were we are now!

    So glad we had those lovely days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Temp anomaly forecast (ensemble) for between days 5 and 10.

    y5A34aF.png

    Remaining near or below average. Although it is easy to play cynical about such things, time and time again nature hints to us that if we get a reasonably warm and sunny April and May, that we tend to pay for it during the following summer months.

    New Moon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,049 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Stats for July for Dublin Airport show how bad July has been. Most days barely any sunshine hours despite it been the height of summer apart from 5th & 10th + they were not even that warm!



    Sunshine hours, Max Temperature, rainfall- Met Eireann


    1st- 0 15.5 12.2mm
    2nd- 2.9 18.0 0.4mm
    3rd- 0.3 18.9 2.8mm
    4th- 0.1 20.4 2.2mm
    5th- 8.9 15.9 3.1mm
    6th- 4.2 16.9 0mm
    7th- 0 14.3 11.5mm
    8th- 0.1 13.7 10.9mm
    9th-1.5 16.9 2.0mm
    10th- 8.0 17.4 0mm
    11th- 5.5 17.7 0mm
    12th- 3.0 18.9 0.4mm
    13th- 0.5 18.0 0.6mm


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    If London has been very poor what does that make Dublin? We’ve some posters telling us that the weather has been good in Dublin we’ve even had a lad who spent a few weeks in Donegal telling us it was cracking! It’s peoples perception I guess. All I can say is that it’s raining here now with a reel feel of 12 degrees and obviously the slate grey skies.

    Here's the summer so far for Dublin, London and Paris

    Dublin:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03969&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    London:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03772&ndays=60&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    Paris:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=07157&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    And my nearest station at Finner for comparison, struggling to top 15C for the past 3 weeks!
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03978&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    Overall Paris clearly the best though London is broadly similar for temperatures, just more wet days. Dublin has only reached 20C seven times all summer and has only recorded one fully dry day since the 9th of June. And Dublin and the south east has probably had the best of it in Ireland!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    Yes but you are picking the coldest weather station in Dublin. Phoenix park and casement on warmer days can be up to 4 degrees warmer than Dublin airport.

    You will very rarely find a day that London is warmer than Paris. Paris is usually about 4-5 degrees warmer but can be up to 10 degrees warmer as was the case for most of last week.

    The reality that I think we can all agree on is June was a poor weather month in Ireland and most of Northern Europe
    Here's the summer so far for Dublin, London and Paris

    Dublin:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03969&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    London:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03772&ndays=60&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    Paris:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=07157&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    And my nearest station at Finner for comparison, struggling to top 15C for the past 3 weeks!
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03978&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    Overall Paris clearly the best though London is broadly similar for temperatures, just more wet days. Dublin has only reached 20C seven times all summer and has only recorded one fully dry day since the 9th of June. And Dublin and the south east has probably had the best of it in Ireland!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Yes but you are picking the coldest weather station in Dublin. Phoenix park and casement on warmer days can be up to 4 degrees warmer than Dublin airport.

    You will very rarely find a day that London is warmer than Paris. Paris is usually about 4-5 degrees warmer but can be up to 10 degrees warmer as was the case for most of last week.

    The reality that I think we can all agree on is June was a poor weather month in Ireland and most of Northern Europe

    Dublin airport is more representative of the city though in being closer to the coast. Looking at Casement there's very little difference anyway, still only 9 days above 20C and only 6 since the 3rd of June.

    Also on average Paris is 1.5C warmer than London in July, not 4 or 5. Paris is also notably wetter on average

    I couldn't really care less which has the best climate, just pointing it out as you're constantly downplaying London's climate in favour of Dublin's and Paris


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    Eh I have never compared Dublin comparing favourably to London for weather??

    London being 1 degree colder than Paris in July though is nonsense.

    Dublin airport is more representative of the city though in being closer to the coast. Looking at Casement there's very little difference anyway, still only 9 days above 20C and only 6 since the 3rd of June.

    Also on average Paris is 1.5C warmer than London in July, not 4 or 5. Paris is also notably wetter on average

    I couldn't really care less which has the best climate, just pointing it out as you're constantly downplaying London's climate in favour of Dublin's and Paris


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    Phoenix park is most representative of Dublin, not Dublin airport. PP is most central
    Eh I have never compared Dublin comparing favourably to London for weather??

    London being 1 degree colder than Paris in July though is nonsense.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    Weather has turned poxy in D5 now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Phoenix park is most representative of Dublin, not Dublin airport. PP is most central

    Correct. Phoenix Park is most representative for Dublin County as a whole.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    Is PP really the most representative of the majority of people within Dublin? It's at a very western point of the park, a few km further inland than the 'city', western Dublin for sure, and we have Casement for their too. But right in around the city centre? I'd say Glasnevin is more representative of what's happening there, though that's not one of the main reporting stations.

    EDIT: To clarify, the above is mostly regarding fine weather/max temperature watch as that typically entails east winds. For all other weather types then yes it's the most suited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭compsys


    Dublin Airport was moved to a much colder location, especially at night, around 10 years ago. It's in a rural area so it's not really representative of the city as a whole. Not sure if it's even that representative of the North Dublin area either to be honest because of the very cool night temps it can report.

    On very clear, still nights, at any time of the year, the temperature at DA falls really rapidly. Some nights I've seen a temp difference of around 7 degrees between PP and DA at say, 10pm or so. PP often 'catches up' a bit later in the night but it's still interesting. It also means, during good settled weather, DA often reports some of the coldest temps during the day in summer but also at night, which is highly unusual, as usually if the sea breeze is keeping things cool during the day it should keep things a bit warmer at night.

    This was seen a lot in May. It's why DA was only 0.2 above its LTA while PP was 1.5 above - that's a huge difference in weather terms for two stations that are so close. Obviously you'd expect PP to be warmer but you'd expect similar deviations from LTAs.

    And although PP is a bit further west than some of Dublin (though lots of places are still further west) it's in the middle of a park at least. If you took the temp a bit closer to the city centre, it would probably be just as warm because of all the concrete and traffic etc.

    However if you live right by the coast, though not many do, then yes, PP will overstate your temps a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭compsys


    Here's the summer so far for Dublin, London and Paris

    Dublin:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03969&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    London:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03772&ndays=60&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    Paris:
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=07157&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    And my nearest station at Finner for comparison, struggling to top 15C for the past 3 weeks!
    http://ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03978&ndays=50&ano=2020&mes=07&day=14&hora=12&ord=REV&Send=Send

    Overall Paris clearly the best though London is broadly similar for temperatures, just more wet days. Dublin has only reached 20C seven times all summer and has only recorded one fully dry day since the 9th of June. And Dublin and the south east has probably had the best of it in Ireland!

    Who said London has had a cold summer? Those summer temps still look pretty impressive to me! Only a few days not reaching 20. Many days way above it. Mind you, not reaching 20 is probably considered extremely poor for London.


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