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Dublin @30km

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  • #152
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Deedsie wrote: »
    I am so appreciative of someone from the pro motoring POV putting in that word you have no idea. Thank you for not painting every single cyclist with the same brush. This is genuinely great to see.

    Id have said majority :D


  • #153
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Deedsie wrote: »
    No just that attitude in general, I got done. You get done cause you were driving to fast in an urban area. Take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others.,

    Who did i blame? and i wasn't going fast :-)


  • #154
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Deedsie wrote: »
    I am so appreciative of someone from the pro motoring POV putting in that word you have no idea. Thank you for not painting every single cyclist with the same brush. This is genuinely great to see.

    Where you going with your pro motoring pov lark?


  • #155
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Deedsie wrote: »
    While I like driving, I think I'd be on the pro pedestrian, public transport and cyclist side when it comes to commuting in Dublin.
    I wasn't aware that we had to take sides regarding the mode of transport we prefer on a thread that's discussing a speed limit.


  • #156
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    I dunno why people keep banging on about average speed or when its gridlock. Completely irrelevant.

    Where there is no gridlock I've seen no reduction in car speeds myself. A speed camera is a rare sight in my opinion. Without enforcement, making up new rules is pointless.


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  • #157
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    It's not a lower limit that will change anything but a bit of education for those that don't care about other road users. Improving the cop on of people will help save lives instead of being forced to crawl outside rush hour as if it's our first time in a car.


  • #158
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    People would drive over you, just to move 10m in grid lock. They are beyond cop on.


  • #159
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    The only way to stop people breaking the limit is to have no limit. ;-)


  • #160
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    That would be an Irish solution certainly.


  • #161
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Many people don't want to learn regardless of how much education they get.


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  • #162
    PhilipsR
    Registered Users Posts: 723 ✭✭✭PhilipsR


    So the likes of Collins Avenue, Griffith Avenue and Tonlegee Road are going to be 30 km/h?

    I can understand in proper built up residential areas, but Griffith Avenue and Collins Avenue are very wide and open. It's ridiculous to put a 30km/h zone there.

    Bus journeys are going to get even slower if this proposal gets passed.


  • #163
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    PhilipsR wrote: »
    So the likes of Collins Avenue, Griffith Avenue and Tonlegee Road are going to be 30 km/h?

    I can understand in proper built up residential areas, but Griffith Avenue and Collins Avenue are very wide and open. It's ridiculous to put a 30km/h zone there.

    It makes sense to have a 30km limit around schools, shopping centers and in residential estates but nowhere else.
    PhilipsR wrote: »
    Bus journeys are going to get even slower if this proposal gets passed.

    I think its passed proposal stage and being expanded form March 2017. Its being done in phases. Buses will surely get slower and taxis more expensive ;)


  • #164
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Look on the bright side...at 30km you wont have to slow down for corners :D


  • #165
    PhilipsR
    Registered Users Posts: 723 ✭✭✭PhilipsR


    Apologies, didn't mean passed but actually adopted.


  • #166
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    PhilipsR wrote: »
    So the likes of Collins Avenue, Griffith Avenue and Tonlegee Road are going to be 30 km/h?

    I can understand in proper built up residential areas, but Griffith Avenue and Collins Avenue are very wide and open. It's ridiculous to put a 30km/h zone there.

    Bus journeys are going to get even slower if this proposal gets passed.

    All of those roads will remain at 50km/h.


  • #167
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Look on the bright side...at 30km you wont have to slow down for corners :D
    Roadhawk wrote: »
    It makes sense to have a 30km limit around schools, shopping centers and in residential estates but nowhere else.



    I think its passed proposal stage and being expanded form March 2017. Its being done in phases. Buses will surely get slower and taxis more expensive ;)

    Implying those roads listed by the other poster are included under the 30km/h plan is clear-cut trolling. Drop the trolling generally or you won't be welcome here.

    -- moderator


  • #168
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,181 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    probably belongs in a different thread, but there is a little bit of overlap between making residential streets less desirable for motorists looking to pass as through traffic, and this phenomenon:
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-waze-traffic-app-neighborhoods-readers-20150506-story.html

    is there anything like waze in ireland? i.e. a realtime traffic monitoring app which suggests lesser known alternative routes?


  • #169
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    PhilipsR wrote: »
    So the likes of Collins Avenue, Griffith Avenue and Tonlegee Road are going to be 30 km/h?

    I can understand in proper built up residential areas, but Griffith Avenue and Collins Avenue are very wide and open. It's ridiculous to put a 30km/h zone there.

    Bus journeys are going to get even slower if this proposal gets passed.
    Collins ave and Griffith ave are not included in it*. It's limited to residential streets, except for the city centre.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/RoadsandTraffic/Documents/Appendix%20E%20-%20rt3369_10%20-%2030KP%20Speed%20Limit%20Review-01.06.2016.pdf

    * Neither is Tonlegee rd. or any of the main rds around there.

    [edit] Pointed out already, but maybe map will be useful. You may have to squint to make out the colour differences though ...


  • #170
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    magicbastarder wrote:
    is there anything like waze in ireland? i.e. a realtime traffic monitoring app which suggests lesser known alternative routes?

    Yes, it's called Google Maps and (Google) Waze. The later doesn't really have enough users in Ireland to provide useful data. The former tends not to route people off main roads in my experience.


  • #171
    Buffman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭Buffman


    So, as part of the Road Traffic Bill 2016, 20km/h will soon be a legal speed limit available to councils.
    The bill also creates a new option for local authorities to impose a special speed limit of 20km/h in built-up areas. This will be in addition to the existing possible speed limits for built-up areas of 50km/h, 40km/h and 30km/h.

    So, what's next? 10, 5, 1, a person with red warning flag and bell walking in front of the vehicle?:rolleyes:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

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  • #172
    beauf
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    Does it matter if every one ignores it and it's not enforced.


  • #173
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    I've just heard the idiot Shane Ross on RTE1 positioning this urban speed limit reduction in respect of the increase in road traffic fatalities.


  • #174
    Buffman
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    Deedsie wrote: »
    For resedential estates should people be travelling faster than 20km/h anyway?

    I think 30km/h was acceptable. I had a quick trail of 20 on my way home, I found it awkwardly slow and hard to maintain without looking at the speedometer constantly.

    30 is my normal 'estate' speed and I think it was OK to be honest. If I see any possible danger, I adjust my speed accordingly. I'd be worried that an extremely low limit like 20km/h (12 mph) would have drivers concentrating on the speedometer and not on the road.

    Maybe in the future technology can help with Head Up Display or audible speedometers, self-drive, cruise control etc. The cruise control in my current car only works above 35km/h so not much use for ultra-low speed limits.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • #175
    John_Rambo
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    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    Nanny statery at its worst - Dublin already has safe roads relative to other EU capitals...just a box ticking exercise for Dublin city council; news laws just for the sake of it.

    Most of whom are following suit and implementing 30kph city centre limits.

    I was against it at first, but now that I see it working, it's a no brainer.


  • #176
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,869 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Why do you think it's stupid? Do peoples lives not matter to you?
    Ok, whose lives is this limit saving? Some of the existing 30kph limits, like this one, make one wonder on what planet 30kph limits make sense.
    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    It has already made them a safer place for pedestrians crossing at the bridges as it just takes one car to drive within the law to prevent others breaking it and possibly endangering others lives. Now to do something about the red light jumpers and amber gamblers. Maybe cameras could be installed too at the busier crossings.
    The majority of red light jumpers in Dublin are not motorists. The vast majority. And lower traffic speeds have the sole effect of encouraging non-motorist road users to behave like muppets. I see it every day.
    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Well it's quite simple. The faster a car hits a pedestrian the more likely they will be seriously injured or die.
    How does this affect pedestrians that don't exist?
    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    If you round like a normal person it's 19mph. Only a bad driver can't drive at that speed. Keep up the practice. You should improve. I can drive in 4th gear in my car at that speed. No problem at all.
    If the limit is idiotic and totally unrelated to the conditions of the road in question, as per the 30kph speed limit I posted above, if you try to obey it you are going to be spending all your time watching your speedometer.

    And your car must be a POS if you can drive at 18.6 miles per hour in 4th gear.
    I seriously can't understand people's need to go as fast as possible all th time. Relax!
    As fast as is safe, considering the prevailing conditions. Very often is unrelated to the speed limits, and it seems to be getting worse.
    CramCycle wrote: »
    A far better improvement to public safety would be red light cameras and average speed cameras but I really can't see the negatives unless there is no attempt at random location enforcement.
    Red light cameras, under current regulations, will only catch a small minority of red light jumpers. The vast majority of them would not be affected.
    seamus wrote: »
    I can't believe this, "it's hard to drive slowly", "people will be watching the speedometer and not the road" nonsense is still flying around.

    Argue about whether it's enforced, by all means. There have been 30km/h limits in Dublin City centre for a number of years now, I think we've put to bed any arguments about whether it's physically possible to drive that slowly, or safer to do so.
    Try driving on the N3 past the M50 going into the City. 30kph on a grade separated dual carriageway with excellent visibility.
    Dravokivich wrote: »
    I don't think you honestly don't know why they have a 30 speed limit by those M50 junctions. Every idiot in a truck that exceeds it, turns over.
    I've seen the moronic rationale explained once or twice. Coming from Cavan/Blanch/wherever going into the City, the road forks crossing the M50, with one part continuing across the M50 to become the R147, while another makes a sharp turn to join the M50 going Southbound. Its true that a lorry might tip over if it tries to take the the M50S entrance at speed. However, the 30 kph limit applies to both forks, including the road "straight through" and it applies not just to lorries but also to private passenger cars. So you approach this, say, at 9PM at night or later when traffic is extremely light, and are going straight through, and rightly wonder why that 30kph limit is there.

    To say the least, it would be very difficult to obey if you tried to adhere to it strictly.


  • #177
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    SeanW wrote: »
    Red light cameras, under current regulations, will only catch a small minority of red light jumpers. The vast majority of them would not be affected.

    I would expect them to change legislation, I didn't think they would just put them up for the craic. If the legislation was there, it would catch all of them at lights where the cameras were in place.

    On a side note, coming into Enniskerry this morning and there was a queue heading in at 20kmph. There was a tractor/JCB on the road. To be fair he pulled in at one point but the car behind him didn't take the opportunity so he pulled back out. The point was, that there was a queue of maybe 20 cars, all holding 20kmph without issue, from sh1tboxes upto some new Mercs. No one got angry, everyone settled in. We all got where we were going. Point being, if anyone else says it is difficult to drive at 30kmph, I am calling shenanigans or calling them out on poor driving skill.


  • #178
    Dravokivich
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Ok, whose lives is this limit saving? Some of the existing 30kph limits, like this one, make one wonder on what planet 30kph limits make sense.

    If the limit is idiotic and totally unrelated to the conditions of the road in question, as per the 30kph speed limit I posted above, if you try to obey it you are going to be spending all your time watching your speedometer.

    The speed limit is to take into consideration the use of that road by all vehicles. Scroll on up further through the road and you'll see a section that has an incline, followed by sharp decline with a turn that goes from right, into itself and left.


  • #179
    magicbastarder
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    SeanW wrote: »
    The majority of red light jumpers in Dublin are not motorists. The vast majority.
    i'm convinced motorists don't realise how much RLJing or amber gambling is done by motorists. cyclists (who i presume you're referring to as the 'vast majority') see it far more - because they're usually up the front of the queue, and can see the lights as crossing cars break them.

    on one junction near me, on one full cycle of the lights, i counted i think twelve cars breaking either a clear amber they'd have had no trouble stopping at, or driving clear through a red.


  • #180
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    All this talk of how traffic rarely gets about 30 anyway so why NOT have 30 km/h limits is just more half-truths to push this nonsensical idea.

    At certain times of the day (rush hour) it may be the case that on certain roads, traffic is at a crawl - however outside of these times and particularly congested sections, there's no issue doing 30, 50 or more if the limits/conditions permit.

    The only other justification given seems to be about how it'll be safer for pedestrians/cyclists.. to do what exactly? Walk/cycle out in front of traffic even more than they do now? I really don't understand why we have to pander to a minority of people who have no cop on or even sense of self-preservation - "walking out in front of traffic = bad.. cross at lights instead" or "Wandering across the road buried in my phone/music = bad. Look around and be aware instead" - but then that seems to be the norm nowadays.. rather than take ANY sort of personal responsibility, let's shift the focus to "someone else" instead.

    What was needed is variable speed limits that can be adjusted subject to those ACTUAL traffic conditions rather than this blanket 24/7 30 km/h notion. But that'd involve actual effort and foresight. Far better to slap up a load of 30 km/h signs and point to what we did! :rolleyes:


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  • #181
    magicbastarder
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The only other justification given seems to be about how it'll be safer for pedestrians/cyclists.. to do what exactly? Walk/cycle out in front of traffic even more than they do now? I really don't understand why we have to pander to a minority of people who have no cop on or even sense of self-preservation
    is this the level of debate we have? that accidents are not caused by motorists, but by pedestrians and cyclists?


  • #182
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Every time a person gets out of their car they are a pedestrian including motorists who pull in to the left and get out of their car into traffic. Pedestrians are not a minority.


  • #183
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    is this the level of debate we have? that accidents are not caused by motorists, but by pedestrians and cyclists?

    Again.. context.

    We're talking about the inner city area here. Aside from fender-benders which will happen at ANY speed due to inattention, any accident involving a pedestrian is probably because the latter took a chance they shouldn't have such as darting across between traffic. There are designated crossing points everywhere, but yet people will just wander out anywhere regardless.. especially in slow moving traffic

    Where cyclists are concerned, they tend to zip up alongside traffic and between it at will without any signalling (y'know.. like we were all taught as kids) although I'll grant you that motorists have a greater responsibility to be aware of and watching for this.

    However, all slowing things down further will do is lead to more of the above chances being taken and more fender-benders as motorists are forced to jam on, or jump between lanes out of frustration. I see all of this almost every day as it is. 30 km/h signs will do nothing to address that and will probably make things worse.


  • #184
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    If you round like a normal person it's 19mph. Only a bad driver can't drive at that speed. Keep up the practice. You should improve. I can drive in 4th gear in my car at that speed. No problem at all.

    Sweet suffering gearboxes.. I'll say a prayer for your clutch.


  • #185
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Every time a person gets out of their car they are a pedestrian including motorists who pull in to the left and get out of their car into traffic. Pedestrians are not a minority.

    Minority in the context above refers to the significant percentage of people who carry on oblivious to the conditions around them (as they are buried in their phone or with music blasting in their ears), taking no responsibility or care for their own safety - relying on "someone else" to watch out for them instead.


  • #186
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,181 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Where cyclists are concerned, they tend to zip up alongside traffic
    huh? is that not the point of cycling?

    transport for london commissioned a study examining the fatal and near fatal collisions in london; the motorist was found to be in the wrong in i think 60% of collisions.
    obviously, that study can't claim to speak for dublin (and one notable difference in dublin's favour is the HGV ban) but it does help illustrate why cyclists are just bone tired of being portrayed as the architects of their own downfall.


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  • #187
    beauf
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Again.. context.

    We're talking about the inner city area here. Aside from fender-benders which will happen at ANY speed due to inattention, any accident involving a pedestrian is probably because the latter took a chance they shouldn't have such as darting across between traffic. There are designated crossing points everywhere, but yet people will just wander out anywhere regardless.. especially in slow moving traffic

    Where cyclists are concerned, they tend to zip up alongside traffic and between it at will without any signalling (y'know.. like we were all taught as kids) although I'll grant you that motorists have a greater responsibility to be aware of and watching for this.

    However, all slowing things down further will do is lead to more of the above chances being taken and more fender-benders as motorists are forced to jam on, or jump between lanes out of frustration. I see all of this almost every day as it is. 30 km/h signs will do nothing to address that and will probably make things worse.

    The plan is to remove cars from much of the city center. That will solve the problem for drivers unable to drive appropriately in built up areas.


  • #188
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Back on topic please! Cycling is not the topic.

    Re 30km/h on this thread: please only discuss normal roads in urban buildup areas only -- motorway junction limits are aimed at stopping trucks from crashing, and this is off-topic here.

    -- moderator


  • #189
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    huh? is that not the point of cycling?

    transport for london commissioned a study examining the fatal and near fatal collisions in london; the motorist was found to be in the wrong in i think 60% of collisions.
    obviously, that study can't claim to speak for dublin (and one notable difference in dublin's favour is the HGV ban) but it does help illustrate why cyclists are just bone tired of being portrayed as the architects of their own downfall.

    My point is that they come flying up between slow/stopped traffic without paying any heed to what the traffic is/may do (ie: anticipating/reading the road) - instead relying solely on the driver to watch out for them rather than realising that they too have a responsibility to be aware of the traffic (though this is not helped by the lots of inexperienced cyclists who have taken to the roads with Bike to Work schemes and Dublin Bikes - like it or not, there's a definite case for a common test to ensure a minimum level of training - and no, you can't rely on the idea that the cyclist MAY also be a motorist)

    It's also not a great idea to start cutting across cars to lane-hop but this happens all the time as well in slow traffic... by cyclists AND other vehicles to be fair, something that will increase under this plan IMO


  • #190
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    My point is that they come flying up between slow/stopped traffic without paying any heed to what the traffic is/may do (ie: anticipating/reading the road) - instead relying solely on the driver to watch out for them rather than realising that they too have a responsibility to be aware of the traffic (though this is not helped by the lots of inexperienced cyclists who have taken to the roads with Bike to Work schemes and Dublin Bikes - like it or not, there's a definite case for a common test to ensure a minimum level of training - and no, you can't rely on the idea that the cyclist MAY also be a motorist)

    It's also not a great idea to start cutting across cars to lane-hop but this happens all the time as well in slow traffic... by cyclists AND other vehicles to be fair, something that will increase under this plan IMO

    While making a case in that detail then surely you should be able to see where lower speed limits will help prevent all these collisions that you must have witnessed. Drivers will be able to stop in a shorter distance helping avoid them. Also it is a drivers responsibility to be aware of their surroundings at all times and should be checking their mirrors before making any manoeuvre.


  • #191
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Infraction for the next person to continue this off-topic cyclist discussion.

    You can feel free to continue the testing of cyclists discussion on this new thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057685510#

    -- moderator


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  • #192
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Deedsie wrote: »
    Hi, can anyone confirm whether the speed limit on Leeson Street Lower will have a 30 km/h speed limit from March 1st?

    http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/RoadsandTraffic/Traffic/Documents/358,%20DCC%20Special%20Speed%20Limit%20Bye-laws%202016%20(1).pdf

    East of Fitzwilliam Place will remain 50 km/h, west of that seems to be changing to 30 km/h.

    The map is from the public consultation and may not take any subsequent changes into account: http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/RoadsandTraffic/Documents/Appendix%20E%20-%20rt3369_10%20-%2030KP%20Speed%20Limit%20Review-01.06.2016.pdf


  • #193
    dolallyoh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭dolallyoh


    Is there a limit for driving too slow ? I'd be nervous of having a police car behind me and would probably drop down to 20km just be be safe. Safer that way anyway.


  • #194
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    dolallyoh wrote: »
    Is there a limit for driving too slow ? I'd be nervous of having a police car behind me and would probably drop down to 20km just be be safe. Safer that way anyway.

    I presume on motorways there is, dangerous driving etc.

    Plenty of people though will tell you driving at 20kmph is impossible so nothing to worry about there


  • #195
    I love Sean nos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭I love Sean nos


    dolallyoh wrote: »
    would probably drop down to 20km just be be safe. Safer that way anyway.
    If you ask nicely, the chap below may dedicate a decade of the rosary on your behalf to St. Lumag, patron saint of clutches.
    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Sweet suffering gearboxes.. I'll say a prayer for your clutch.


  • #196
    Feckofff
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Feckofff


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Sweet suffering gearboxes.. I'll say a prayer for your clutch.

    I will be passing through the 30kmph zone tomorrow, I will be driving at 30kmph max. If you can't drive at 30kmph best avoid the city centre or your gearbox might explode. I feel sorry for you but there is nothing I can do about your inadequate gearbox.


  • #197
    Cookie_Monster
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    dolallyoh wrote: »
    Is there a limit for driving too slow ? I'd be nervous of having a police car behind me and would probably drop down to 20km just be be safe. Safer that way anyway.

    not as such but failure to make progress is a rule and part of the driving test. you need to keep up with the flow of traffic (as the limit allows). Needlessly travelling 33% under the limit would fall foul of the above progress rules IMO


  • #198
    Feckofff
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    Drove lesson street today and speeds do seem to reduced. Maybe people will see the benefits and it will become the cultural norm.


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    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    Nanny statery at its worst - Dublin already has safe roads relative to other EU capitals...just a box ticking exercise for Dublin city council; news laws just for the sake of it.

    By your logic, our crime rate is quite low relative to other EU cities, so we shouldn't focus on lowering it even more. Only those cities at the bottom of the list should focus on improving.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    an absolute disgrace and totally un-necissary. the 50 limit was fine and is what I will continue to use.

    That's not a great attitude to have on our roads and one I would love to see removed. There's too many people on the road who have the same attitude as you and they need to be dealt with.

    It's nothing to do with a nanny state, it's called city planning.

    The more we can move away from car centric attitudes the better it will be for all.


  • #200
    magicbastarder
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    i just wonder how you're meant to drive at 50km/h in heavy traffic?


  • #201
    Dravokivich
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i just wonder how you're meant to drive at 50km/h in heavy traffic?

    There's only heavy traffic for about 3 hours a day.
    Ricky Yellow Self-satisfaction wrote: »
    That's not a great attitude to have on our roads and one I would love to see removed. There's too many people on the road who have the same attitude as you and they need to be dealt with.

    It's nothing to do with a nanny state, it's called city planning.

    The more we can move away from car centric attitudes the better it will be for all.

    I don't think the issue is "Car Centric," there's too many people driving who don't consider the potential impact on others.

    Dublin is anything but car centric with the way traffic is routed around it.


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