The Stand With Eamon Dunphy

Utopia Parkway · 21-06-2020 5:45pm

generalgerry wrote: »

I thought at the start of the year "wow Eamonn has really upped his game". He was posting far more frequently, and was posting when stories were relevant (as opposed to posting once a week or every monday).

However, the show has become so monotonous at this stage, I am considering just removing it from the phone altogether. Eamonn, I know how yourself and Niall Stanage feel about Trump, I know how you feel about Boris Johnson, and I know what you think will happen to the economy because of COVID.

Now I will give him the disclaimer that there has been a shutdown and the news agenda has been limited to the one story. But if things don't pick up I'll be dropping the podcast altogether.

6 months ago I thought the show was getting quite stale with the same 4 or 5 guests on all the time but I think he has broadened the amount of contributors since the start of the year and it's really helped freshened things up a little.

PodcastReview · 24-06-2020 7:20pm

This podcast seems to be going around in circles.

Trump, Brexit, Football, Crime, Covid + Repeat

I really want to like Dunphy as he's made a lot of himself from humble beginnings. Why he always reaches for the sensationalist lever is beyond me.

Tomas Ryan comes across as someone with a chip on his shoulder that he was left out of the important desision making. Instead spends his time writing public letters, appearing on any podcast/radio/TV show that will have him and generally saying very little apart from project management buzz words
"approach"
"my view"

I don't know how Nicola Tallant (ironic name) is a self styled crime insider. All she does is repeat a few names and regurgiatate what has been made public through the courts. Her and her ilk are only raising the status of career criminals, it's all irrelevant for the general public, except maybe the kind of person who buy tabloids.

Since Mick Clifford left it's all gone downhill. I'd even take a Verona Murphy special at this stage.

applehunter · 25-06-2020 3:53am

Tomas Ryan would have been at thx Black Lives Matter demonstrations only he had to mind the kids.

Then spends the rest of the discussion saying we can’t have groups of people together.

I’m sure his liberal friends in TCD were having a nice tug listening to that.

kowloonkev · 25-06-2020 8:30am

PodcastReview wrote: »

This podcast seems to be going around in circles.

Trump, Brexit, Football, Crime, Covid + Repeat

I really want to like Dunphy as he's made a lot of himself from humble beginnings. Why he always reaches for the sensationalist lever is beyond me.

Tomas Ryan comes across as someone with a chip on his shoulder that he was left out of the important desision making. Instead spends his time writing public letters, appearing on any podcast/radio/TV show that will have him and generally saying very little apart from project management buzz words
"approach"
"my view"

I don't know how Nicola Tallant (ironic name) is a self styled crime insider. All she does is repeat a few names and regurgiatate what has been made public through the courts. Her and her ilk are only raising the status of career criminals, it's all irrelevant for the general public, except maybe the kind of person who buy tabloids.

Since Mick Clifford left it's all gone downhill. I'd even take a Verona Murphy special at this stage.

I'd say he's more populist than sensationalist. His politics are as edgy as a Tescos ad campaign. Of course they are paying his wages.

He isn't as honest as he once was.

Beechwoodspark · 25-06-2020 10:10am

Agree - he needs to shake up the guest list and change the topics a bit

Morrison J · 25-06-2020 1:33pm

applehunter wrote: »

Tomas Ryan would have been at thx Black Lives Matter demonstrations only he had to mind the kids.

Then spends the rest of the discussion saying we can’t have groups of people together.

I’m sure his liberal friends in TCD were having a nice tug listening to that.

He explained how it wasn't a superspreader event in fairness.

25-06-2020 1:36pm

I hope Tomas Ryan is wrong but I'm more inclined to listen to someone like him than anyone else

Obrieski · 26-06-2020 1:21pm

PodcastReview wrote: »

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I don't know how Nicola Tallant (ironic name) is a self styled crime insider. All she does is repeat a few names and regurgiatate what has been made public through the courts. Her and her ilk are only raising the status of career criminals, it's all irrelevant for the general public, except maybe the kind of person who buy tabloids.

I quite like the Nicola Tallant interviews actually.
Always find myself learning some new stuff each time

Ash.J.Williams · 26-06-2020 3:07pm

Obrieski wrote: »

I quite like the Nicola Tallant interviews actually.
Always find myself learning some new stuff each time

me too

dulpit · 26-06-2020 5:10pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

me too

Same

Chalk McHugh · 26-06-2020 5:15pm

The crime podcast is possibly my favourite one. Interested in that area anyway so although i know most of it already i dont see any problem with Nicolla Tallant. Just doing her job and she has a passion for it. My only problem is mouthpiece Dunphy treating it as a joke and making inappropriate gags and constantly interrupting Tallant to rehash old obvious stories.

Example: Tallant may mention Gerry Hutch. This will usually lead to Dunphy bizarrely telling us he's called the Monk and never dealt in drugs and capped off with a joke about him driving around town in his limo. Why the hell does he have to ruin every bit of flow to a story with repeated rubbish that everybody has heard a million times? He's a pain in the hole.

generalgerry · 27-06-2020 9:07am

I think the whole tone of the Swedish conversation on COVID is all wrong. There seems to be too much of a willingness on the part of both Eamonn and his contributor for Sweden's policy to fail miserably.

Tork · 27-06-2020 5:33pm

I find Philip O'Connor to be a bit of a dose but I guess there aren't that many Irish journalists in Sweden. What I'm picking up from the podcasts is that the jury is still out on whether Sweden's approach is the right one or not.

Aidric · 27-06-2020 11:06pm

I don't want to accuse Dunphy of scraping the barrel but his chats with recurring guests like Johns, Stanage and O' Connor are starting to wear thin. This is in no way due to the guests but rather Dunphy repeating the same questions ad hominem.

Higgins5473 · 28-06-2020 12:20am

Tork wrote: »

I find Philip O'Connor to be a bit of a dose but I guess there aren't that many Irish journalists in Sweden. What I'm picking up from the podcasts is that the jury is still out on whether Sweden's approach is the right one or not.

Yes, and very one directional negative mocking tone taken towards the Swedish approach. We have an atrocious record ourselves, particularly in light of stats regarding front line health staff yet nothing about it.

Deeper Blue · 28-06-2020 3:43am

I'll echo what a few have already said. Having the same guests on constantly and having them discuss similar topics each time has become every bit as repetitive as you'd expect.

Tomás Ryan in particular needs to be cut loose. It'd be great to get someone on with a different perspective (and less annoying accent)

Tork · 29-06-2020 12:24pm

I don't listen to Tomás Ryan because I have a pretty good idea what he's going to say - again. The Swedish updates are pretty pointless too because there isn't much new to report. I always enjoy the Niall Stanage ones. There is always something new to talk about and he does try to give us both sides of the story. I wonder does part of the repetition come from Dunphy's line of questioning? If I had a Euro for every time he mentioned the words "John Bolton and Hawk" in the one sentence, or "Anders Tegnell and Tattoo" I'd be accumulating a nice retirement fund.

Dillonb3 · 29-06-2020 2:15pm

No holding back with slating Pogba in the recent podcast. Surprised Souness didn't make a cameo

padd b1975 · 01-07-2020 1:11am

Good chat with Fionnán Sheehan.

Nice to hear a fresh voice on the podcast, hopefully we'll hear more from him.

Higgins5473 · 01-07-2020 1:19am

Tork wrote: »

or "Anders Tegnell and Tattoo" I'd be accumulating a nice retirement fund.

grew a bit weary of this also and was curious so had a peak, I'd rather get the corona virus, ebola and a nice topping of HIV than have this tattooed on myself

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tegnell-tattoo/the-man-with-the-epidemiologist-tattoo-a-very-swedish-tribute-idUSKCN2292G7

02-07-2020 4:08pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

grew a bit weary of this also and was curious so had a peak, I'd rather get the corona virus, ebola and a nice topping of HIV than have this tattooed on myself

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tegnell-tattoo/the-man-with-the-epidemiologist-tattoo-a-very-swedish-tribute-idUSKCN2292G7

Could be worse in fairness, could be a Conor McGregor tattoo. Or worse again, a really bad one.

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JohnnyFlash · 02-07-2020 11:20pm

Obrieski wrote: »

I quite like the Nicola Tallant interviews actually.
Always find myself learning some new stuff each time

Ya, I don't get the dislike for these episodes myself. Or course she has a tabloidy slant on it; but she is knowledgable about organised crime in Ireland, can weave a narrative, and has her own opinions.

Overall I think this is the strongest podcast in Ireland. Eamon has found his groove, and there's very few episodes I don't listen to. You can sense he's enjoying making it, and his guest line-up is strong.

Tesco got a good deal on this I'd imagine.

omerin · 02-07-2020 11:36pm

Looking forward to the Robert Fisk podcast,the latest one in the series. Hope Emo follows this thread and takes the feedback,i mentioned on this thread before about Robert being added to his contributors although not sure on the timing of my previous post. One of the highlights of the last word with Emo was his interviews with Robert and look forward to hearing more, having said that they usually were as a result of issues with Israel or the US in the mid east, rarely as a result of something positive.
If Emo is viewing, thanks for the content but it could do with more variety, surprised as an author himself he doesnt do a monthy book review. Another one would be 1-1 interviews, theres a dearth of interviewer talent and has been for a while and what we have now should return their journalism membership cooper, tub, o'connor..... Id guess research would be a big factor here and im not sure if Emo is that committed in semi retirement

I guess budget would be a factor,cant see him give 4 figure amounts to contributors and therefore we see a limited list of them

03-07-2020 12:18am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Ya, I don't get the dislike for these episodes myself. Or course she has a tabloidy slant on it; but she is knowledgable about organised crime in Ireland, can weave a narrative, and has her own opinions.

Overall I think this is the strongest podcast in Ireland. Eamon has found his groove, and there's very few episodes I don't listen to. You can sense he's enjoying making it, and his guest line-up is strong.

Tesco got a good deal on this I'd imagine.

this low rent crime stuff is tabloidy and no getting away from it.

if you like that stuff then fair enough but it's generally dumb sh1theads dealing and running drugs and killing each other in feuds that started over some lad spilling curry chips on the other lad after a 20 pint session and next thing they are murdering each other's da's. Then when one once every generation or so (like Kinehan Snr) manages to survive and accumulate some cash they are elevated by some to some Warren Buffet level of investment genius when all they are is absolute scumbags in reality.

Deeper Blue · 21-07-2020 11:52pm

I'd love to hear a contributor not named Tomas Ryan speaking about the Covid situation in Ireland. Change the record Eamo!

bamayang · 22-07-2020 8:52am

The european correspondent for Irish Times (Naomi?) is excellent, serious knowledge and nuance of the situation.

Beechwoodspark · 22-07-2020 9:50am

bamayang wrote: »

The european correspondent for Irish Times (Naomi?) is excellent, serious knowledge and nuance of the situation.

Agree. She does an excellent podcast called the Irish passport - it started as sort of an intro for people to Irish society but she does a lot of current affairs too.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 22-07-2020 9:56am

bamayang wrote:

The european correspondent for Irish Times (Naomi?) is excellent, serious knowledge and nuance of the situation.

Naomi O'Leary, been meaning to start listening to her podcast since she started appearing on Dunphys

Utopia Parkway · 22-07-2020 7:17pm

El Sueño wrote: »

I'd love to hear a contributor not named Tomas Ryan speaking about the Covid situation in Ireland. Change the record Eamo!

When Eamo finds a new guest he does tend to overuse them alright. Tomas Ryan has essentially done almost the exact same interview four times in a row now.

NeftDaslari · 23-07-2020 2:57pm

A funny Freudian slip by Eamo today when talking about the Chinese ambassador’s interview with Andrew Marr - ‘BBXi’

24-07-2020 2:59am

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

When Eamo finds a new guest he does tend to overuse them alright. Tomas Ryan has essentially done almost the exact same interview four times in a row now.

I quite like listening to him. Sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about.

dmn22 · 24-07-2020 1:23pm

Big fan of Niall Stanage from The Hill whenever he's on. Good speaker and talks sensibly about what's going on in the US which is refreshing as most commentators are either extremely left-wing or extremely right-wing with rarely any balance in the middle.

24-07-2020 4:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I quite like listening to him. Sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about.

no matter what the government were doing in terms of Covid policy, I get the impression that Tomas Ryan is the sort of guy who would say that it's completely the wrong way.

Some of the points that he makes are valid but I'm not sure that his overall "concept" of 0 Covid is actually achievable here unless you ban foreign travel. (not that I'm advocating that)

padd b1975 · 25-07-2020 2:44pm

dmn22 wrote: »

Big fan of Niall Stanage from The Hill whenever he's on. Good speaker and talks sensibly about what's going on in the US which is refreshing as most commentators are either extremely left-wing or extremely right-wing with rarely any balance in the middle.

He's got an annoying habit of taking a sip of water just as Eamonn finishes his question, very annoying once you notice it.

Arghus · 25-07-2020 5:27pm

dmn22 wrote: »

Big fan of Niall Stanage from The Hill whenever he's on. Good speaker and talks sensibly about what's going on in the US which is refreshing as most commentators are either extremely left-wing or extremely right-wing with rarely any balance in the middle.

Niall Stanage is really good. Knows what he is talking about. I think Trump is an absolute disgrace, but a lot of the coverage about what he does can't get pass their outrage about how much of a disgrace he is. Stanage lets the facts speak for themselves - and the facts are damning enough with further editorialising.

Thought the European correspondent from The Irish Times was excellent too.

Aidric · 26-07-2020 8:03pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

He's got an annoying habit of taking a sip of water just as Eamonn finishes his question, very annoying once you notice it.

Would be great if Eamon adopted the same habit. His dry mouth delivery grates a lot.

generalgerry · 30-07-2020 6:24am

Very interesting interview with the Russian correspondent guy. Possibly the only guest to challenge Eamonn on his usual Orange man bad, BREXIT bad, Russians bad narrative. Far too many of Eamon's guests turn in to pally conversations with people who have the same opinions on everything. If I want that, I can listen in to the RTE panel shows.

EltonJohn69 · 30-07-2020 9:32am

generalgerry wrote: »

Very interesting interview with the Russian correspondent guy. Possibly the only guest to challenge Eamonn on his usual Orange man bad, BREXIT bad, Russians bad narrative. Far too many of Eamon's guests turn in to pally conversations with people who have the same opinions on everything. If I want that, I can listen in to the RTE panel shows.

That Russian guy was nuts he was all about whataboutism

Beechwoodspark · 30-07-2020 9:34am

generalgerry wrote: »

Very interesting interview with the Russian correspondent guy. Possibly the only guest to challenge Eamonn on his usual Orange man bad, BREXIT bad, Russians bad narrative. Far too many of Eamon's guests turn in to pally conversations with people who have the same opinions on everything. If I want that, I can listen in to the RTE panel shows.

I researched that Brian McDonald guy.

Google him. He’s a RT/Putin shill and has been for a long time. He pushes the pro Putin line at all times.

Presumably eamo has him on because he’s either dirt cheap or free

humberklog · 30-07-2020 1:42pm

Eamon: Russia is an authoritarian regime.

Bryan: Soft authoritarian.

In Russia the best authoritarianism is any authoritarianism.

Bryan has certainly drank deeply from the Russian cool aid punch bowl but he's worth a listen. Bit like Brendan.

blackwave · 31-07-2020 12:51am

He was an interesting guest to say the least but so unbelievably up Putin ass, he was nearly a parody at times.

kowloonkev · 31-07-2020 4:29am

humberklog wrote: »

Eamon: Russia is an authoritarian regime.

Bryan: Soft authoritarian.

In Russia the best authoritarianism is any authoritarianism.

Bryan has certainly drank deeply from the Russian cool aid punch bowl but he's worth a listen. Bit like Brendan.

It's amazing when you live in another country for a while, that has a completely different political structure, how it becomes clear that yes this also works, people aren't that different, people aren't as unhappy as I expected, and democracy isn't even that dissimilar.

But you have to live in different places to understand that.

Beechwoodspark · 31-07-2020 1:55pm

I like Chris johns but honestly it feels like Dunphy has the same conversation with him each time

Even down to eamo quoting Chris johns comment about the current Tory party.

Seriously, he needs to freshen it up a bit and not do the same interview ad nauseam

generalgerry · 01-08-2020 7:38am

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

That Russian guy was nuts he was all about whataboutism

I think whataboutism has it's place, in pointing out the difference in how the media treats Russia as opposed to other countries. Two things that this guy pointed out were:
1. On the accusation of Trump's "Russian collusion", he pointed out that representatives of Obama had also met with Russians before he was elected.
2. On the point of possible Russian interference in elections, he pointed out that the UK Government had got Obama over to tell the Brits about why they should stay in the EU. (i.e. that other Governments also interfere in elections)

I was actually shocked what little response Eamonn had for a number of his points. His knowledge on the topics offered him no means of rebuttal. He's far too use to having agreeable voices on the podcast, voices that will not offend Tesco.

DeanAustin · 03-08-2020 1:05pm

generalgerry wrote: »

I think whataboutism has it's place, in pointing out the difference in how the media treats Russia as opposed to other countries. Two things that this guy pointed out were:
1. On the accusation of Trump's "Russian collusion", he pointed out that representatives of Obama had also met with Russians before he was elected.
2. On the point of possible Russian interference in elections, he pointed out that the UK Government had got Obama over to tell the Brits about why they should stay in the EU. (i.e. that other Governments also interfere in elections)

I was actually shocked what little response Eamonn had for a number of his points. His knowledge on the topics offered him no means of rebuttal. He's far too use to having agreeable voices on the podcast, voices that will not offend Tesco.

Yeah that’s a fair point. Yer man was very pro Russia and having researched him further you can see that he’s pretty blind to the faults of the government there. However, he did raise some interesting and valid points and it was good to get another view rather than the prevailing Western opinion on Russia.

Obrieski · 07-08-2020 8:47am

It's blatantly clear Eamo is massively afraid of COVID, which is completely fair as he is in the danger category.

However, it shouldn't stand in the way of one of his mantras about "proper journalism".
In the latest Tomas Ryan interview, Tomas didn't know how long it would take for the Elimination theory to be realised. Then when he meekly suggested 3 months, there was no follow up about what would happen to an economy that is already completely on its knees, how would this be achieved in a country where public tolerance is already at a low ebb.

Eamon also threw out a blanket "young people are doing what they want", which to be fair Tomas somewhat kicked back on, but I have also seen young people doing all the proper social distancing, hygiene etc, and whilst not perfect, are in the main doing ok. I do completely acknowledge house parties and the like are a huge cause of concern and are way more likely to involve young people. However, at the same time, I have been crowded out in shops etc by 'older' people who don't seem to be able to wait the extra 10 seconds for me to get out of the way of the fruit they are trying to grab.

My point being, nobody is perfect here and these blanket statements are sensationalist, and in my experience, inaccurate.
He is letting his fear of this virus get in the way of his questioning I feel, as although what the likes of Tomas Ryan suggest might eliminate the virus, to what cost to the economy, jobs, other health aspects (mental health) etc also need to be considered.

Morrison J · 07-08-2020 2:53pm

Obrieski wrote: »

It's blatantly clear Eamo is massively afraid of COVID, which is completely fair as he is in the danger category.

However, it shouldn't stand in the way of one of his mantras about "proper journalism".
In the latest Tomas Ryan interview, Tomas didn't know how long it would take for the Elimination theory to be realised. Then when he meekly suggested 3 months, there was no follow up about what would happen to an economy that is already completely on its knees, how would this be achieved in a country where public tolerance is already at a low ebb.

Eamon also threw out a blanket "young people are doing what they want", which to be fair Tomas somewhat kicked back on, but I have also seen young people doing all the proper social distancing, hygiene etc, and whilst not perfect, are in the main doing ok. I do completely acknowledge house parties and the like are a huge cause of concern and are way more likely to involve young people. However, at the same time, I have been crowded out in shops etc by 'older' people who don't seem to be able to wait the extra 10 seconds for me to get out of the way of the fruit they are trying to grab.

My point being, nobody is perfect here and these blanket statements are sensationalist, and in my experience, inaccurate.
He is letting his fear of this virus get in the way of his questioning I feel, as although what the likes of Tomas Ryan suggest might eliminate the virus, to what cost to the economy, jobs, other health aspects (mental health) etc also need to be considered.

Ryan has answered the economy question a million times though. The hit the economy will take in a 3 month lockdown needed to achieve elimination is far less of a hit that the economy will take if it's half open and goes through multiple lockdowns.

CatFromHue · 07-08-2020 7:19pm

Obrieski wrote: »

these blanket statements are sensationalist, and in my experience, inaccurate.

That's Dunphy. I do like his podcast but he has a history of throwing stuff like that out.

Ireland is a kip was another one in threw out.

The American guy on talking about Apple, Amazon, Google, and Facebook had an issue with a couple of these sensationalist questions from him.

zerosugarbuzz · 08-08-2020 8:02am

Morrison J wrote: »

Ryan has answered the economy question a million times though. The hit the economy will take in a 3 month lockdown needed to achieve elimination is far less of a hit that the economy will take if it's half open and goes through multiple lockdowns.

Nobody knows that for sure, guess work at best.

08-08-2020 5:18pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

That's Dunphy. I do like his podcast but he has a history of throwing stuff like that out.

Ireland is a kip was another one in threw out.

The American guy on talking about Apple, Amazon, Google, and Facebook had an issue with a couple of these sensationalist questions from him.

well he does have a place in Deauville and he's just back from holidays so I can see where that comes from.

The Stand With Eamon Dunphy

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