Ryanair B738 EI-DLI damaged at Rome Ciampino Airport

Tropheus · 04-06-2014 11:06pm #1

Reports are unclear but a report on Facebook is saying that the aircraft rolled into an adjacent building causing significant damage to the horizontal stabiliser.

It is understood that there was no one on board at the time and no injuries have been reported. I'm not sure if that refers to no passengers on board or if there was no crew also.

Someone has questions to answer.

Growler!!! · 04-06-2014 11:21pm

Ground staff were on strike today in ciampino. No pax, no crew, no ground staff onboard or around.

Suspicious.

debabyjesus · 04-06-2014 11:32pm

Looks like it was parked up beside the other craft in the pic and possibly brake pressure depleted and it wasn't chocked or was badly chocked and it rolled back into something.

Not sure what that red trailer looking thing is doing under the tail.

Jack1985 · 05-06-2014 2:11am

debabyjesus wrote: »

Not sure what that red trailer looking thing is doing under the tail.

Don't really think that has any relevance its just adjacent to the ramp road, in a storage area it looks like - Have to agree on the day of the strike it is indeed suspicious, or simply gross misconduct on behalf of the striking handlers not securing an aircraft.

fr336 · 05-06-2014 2:12am

That pic looks really weird to me. Did this definitely happen?

mickdw · 05-06-2014 2:29am

fr336 wrote: »

That pic looks really weird to me. Did this definitely happen?

Are the shadows correct on that photo?
Men on left casting long shadow. Plane shadow seems more vertical.
Maybe I'm just crazy.

fr336 · 05-06-2014 2:32am

mickdw wrote: »

Are the shadows correct on that photo?
Men on left casting long shadow. Plane shadow seems more vertical.
Maybe I'm just crazy.

I swear the tail looks really odd too.

feargale · 05-06-2014 2:35am

I don't think my ears could take Mick O'Leary's language when he gets to hear about this. For Christ's sake don't tell him!

fr336 · 05-06-2014 2:36am

feargale wrote: »

I don't think my ears could take Mick O'Leary's language when he gets to hear about this. For Christ's sake don't tell him!

:D:D

ANXIOUS · 05-06-2014 6:55am

I'm 99% sure that's a photo shop.

HeidiHeidi · 05-06-2014 7:01am

They forgot to Photoshop the damage to the wing onto its shadow........

stefanovich · 05-06-2014 7:04am

Forgot the handbrake... Plane got rear-ended by an airport...

the_syco · 05-06-2014 7:27am

Damage on wing can be seen in the shadow.

This being the only photo up is a tad bit suspicious, though.

Cessna_Pilot · 05-06-2014 7:58am

Talking to some very qualified engineers this morning, that could well be a write off. If its real which it looks to be.

knucklehead6 · 05-06-2014 8:07am

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Talking to some very qualified engineers this morning, that could well be a write off. If its real which it looks to be.

if that's the case prepare to see ciampino being removed from ryanairs flight timetable... the only two hull losses that ryanair have had will both have been at that airport!! :pac:

Suasdaguna1 · 05-06-2014 8:42am

Yeah, id say the air is blue at swords business park this morn. The boss I'd say is like a briar and for good reason.

Bummer1234 · 05-06-2014 9:40am

There is no Comunitat valenciana on the OP original post but there is on planespotters website?

link

Would they have repainted since?

L1011 · 05-06-2014 9:56am

I would imagine that those are decals rather than paint.

martinsvi · 05-06-2014 10:52am

http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2014/06/05/news/ciampino_aereo_sfonda_la_caserma-88081418/?ref=HRESS-1#gallery-slider=88081034

some more pics and a chance to refresh your Italian before holiday season kicks off

Suasdaguna1 · 05-06-2014 10:56am

Why r folk saying it's a possible write off? I'm sure Renton has a big parts store but if the fuselage is buckled....well that's a different story

beer enigma · 05-06-2014 11:26am

martinsvi wrote: »

http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2014/06/05/news/ciampino_aereo_sfonda_la_caserma-88081418/?ref=HRESS-1#gallery-slider=88081034

some more pics and a chance to refresh your Italian before holiday season kicks off

So (very) roughly they are saying that the aircraft wasn't chocked & had no brakes applied. An investigation is under way as the aircraft moved 40 metres downwind & even if the wind had been strong this would still have been difficult.

The Aircraft's tail hit the front of the firestation and stopped before the wing hit the building avoiding an even bigger tragedy as there were firemen in the building .(seems to imply there was fuel on board).

Initial estimates of €200k worth of damage.

martinsvi · 05-06-2014 11:33am

Andip wrote: »

aircraft moved 40 metres downwind & even if the wind had been strong this would still have been difficult.

there was practically no wind according to metars, 5kt at best coming from SSE, but the aircraft traveled WSW, so no downwind, more like a crosswind/tailwind if any

Andip wrote: »

Initial estimates of €200k worth of damage.

that's the building I think, I don't think the aircraft damages have yet been estimated

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

Why r folk saying it's a possible write off? I'm sure Renton has a big parts store but if the fuselage is buckled....well that's a different story

aah, we just love drama

Suasdaguna1 · 05-06-2014 12:11pm

Anyone hazard a guess how many times the f word has been let off this morn by the CEO ? I have to say if true with a parking brake not set and no chocks....this is permanent gardening leave for those concerned. No chocks is the big issue....brakes can be set but this is no fail safe......accumulators leak from a380s to c172s. The most important thing is no one was hurt and a timely reminder of never leave an aircraft parked with out being chocked

martinsvi · 05-06-2014 12:31pm

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

Anyone hazard a guess how many times the f word has been let off this morn by the CEO ?

MOL was in Dublin airport this morning on a PR stunt boarding passengers travelling to London, poor chap, it must have been like 911 when George Bush was reading books in kindergarten - blank stare, pink cheeks

fr336 · 05-06-2014 12:33pm

martinsvi wrote: »

MOL was in Dublin airport this morning on a PR stunt boarding passengers travelling to London, poor chap, it must have been like 911 when George Bush was reading books in kindergarten - blank stare, pink cheeks

Erm.

weisses · 05-06-2014 12:34pm

Have a Fix

martinsvi · 05-06-2014 12:40pm

fr336 wrote: »

Erm.

there was this infamous video of Bush reading books to children when someone comes to him and whispers in the ear, what many believe, that the tragedy has happened. He's reaction was 0, as he was on a PR stunt, yet you could see his cheeks turning pink and eyes lacking focus.

This is how I imagine MOL looked today

fr336 · 05-06-2014 12:44pm

martinsvi wrote: »

there was this infamous video of Bush reading books to children when someone comes to him and whispers in the ear, what many believe, that the tragedy has happened. He's reaction was 0, as he was on a PR stunt, yet you could see his cheeks turning pink and eyes lacking focus.

This is how I imagine MOL looked today

Yeah I just felt a bit uncomfortable with the comparison, especially in the field of aviation but oh well

martinsvi · 05-06-2014 12:46pm

fr336 wrote: »

Yeah I just felt a bit uncomfortable with the comparison, especially in the field of aviation but oh well

I see what you're saying, you're right, not my best comment, that's for sure

fr336 · 05-06-2014 12:48pm

martinsvi wrote: »

I see what you're saying, you're right, not my best comment, that's for sure

Wouldn't be the first to be too relaxed on the internet

Grandeeod · 05-06-2014 12:49pm

Has the Daily Mail found out yet??:D

fr336 · 05-06-2014 12:53pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

Has the Daily Mail found out yet??:D

If/when they do, it'll be all Irish airline Ryanair's fault.

P.S. Be sure to watch BA documentary on the BBC next week, darlings.

JOSman · 05-06-2014 12:55pm

Ahhhhhh!!!!!!! A bit of filler an it'll be grand.:D

debabyjesus · 05-06-2014 2:14pm

Only a scratch sure. Speed tape applied iaw amm...

mr.anonymous · 05-06-2014 5:39pm

debabyjesus wrote: »

Only a scratch sure. Speed tape applied iaw amm...

SRM, no?

I'd like to see more pictures of this.

As I understand it, this kind of occurrence is not investigated because the aircraft was parked and not operating.

Mr. O'Leary won't be happy!

A Dub in Glasgo · 05-06-2014 5:39pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

Has the Daily Mail found out yet??:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2649525/Investigation-way-Ryanair-plane-rolls-backwards-crashes-airport-building-destroying-tail-wing.html

coylemj · 05-06-2014 7:15pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2649525/Investigation-way-Ryanair-plane-rolls-backwards-crashes-airport-building-destroying-tail-wing.html

What - no SCREAMING HEADLINES about a NEAR MISS which (had it happened xx hours earlier) could have caused HUNDREDS of DEATHS?

Very uncharacteristically matter of fact for a Mail article on FR.

Cookiemunster · 05-06-2014 8:21pm

coylemj wrote: »

What - no SCREAMING HEADLINES about a NEAR MISS which (had it happened xx hours earlier) could have caused HUNDREDS of DEATHS?

Very uncharacteristically matter of fact for a Mail article on FR.

They did throw in the line 'Ryanair, which was recently voted the UK's worst airline' though!

donkey balls · 05-06-2014 9:30pm

If anyone is responsible it would be the ground handling agent for not chocking the nose gear wheel,And if the GPU was still plugged in there would be considerable damage to the front of the aircraft.

feargale · 05-06-2014 10:59pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

They did throw in the line 'Ryanair, which was recently voted the UK's worst airline' though!

Have we joined the UK again?

fr336 · 05-06-2014 11:02pm

feargale wrote: »

Have we joined the UK again?

Now you're sounding like a silly Daily Mail reader.... Ryanair is a European wide airline, with a big UK presence. Hence voted the UK's worst airline, by the UK.

BMJD · 06-06-2014 12:35am

coylemj wrote: »

What - no SCREAMING HEADLINES about a NEAR MISS which (had it happened xx hours earlier) could have caused HUNDREDS of DEATHS?

Very uncharacteristically matter of fact for a Mail article on FR.

Daily Fail wrote:

Witness called it 'surreal moment' and saw 'bits of metal hanging from plane

aka wings

beer enigma · 06-06-2014 1:00am

donkey balls wrote: »

If anyone is responsible it would be the ground handling agent for not chocking the nose gear wheel,And if the GPU was still plugged in there would be considerable damage to the front of the aircraft.

Am I right in thinking that in laymen's terms, an aircraft doesn't have the equivalent of a handbrake ? It can brake when landing but when on stand relies on the chocks.

Jack1985 · 06-06-2014 1:55am

Andip wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that in laymen's terms, an aircraft doesn't have the equivalent of a handbrake ? It can brake when landing but when on stand relies on the chocks.

It does a parking brake, however the accu pressure decreases whilst on the ground i.e. pressure in the brakes reduces until they deplete hence the need for chocks - When the engines are running there's more then enough pressure to ensure they are effective.

LoonyLovegood · 06-06-2014 2:23am

What's the chances of FR fixing it or scrapping/selling the plane? It's eight and a bit years old, so it's one of their older planes that I'd expect they'd sell off when the next 175 start coming in. Or would it be because they'd need every plane they have, they'll try to fix it up?

IngazZagni · 06-06-2014 9:32am

CTYIgirl wrote: »

What's the chances of FR fixing it or scrapping/selling the plane? It's eight and a bit years old, so it's one of their older planes that I'd expect they'd sell off when the next 175 start coming in. Or would it be because they'd need every plane they have, they'll try to fix it up?

If it's fixable they will definitely repair it. 8 1/2 years old, while old by Ryanair standards is still a relatively new bird in aviation. The average age of a 737 in British Airways for example is over 21 years old!

Suasdaguna1 · 06-06-2014 3:16pm

This job will be overseen by boeing just like airbus oversees big jobs done on the buses. Plane will be like new when complete but the bill will be sporty......its not a slap on the stabilizer job.......horizontal stabilizers are not exactly lying around hangars and their associated fittings,...... specialist engineer man hours, rigging, flight test(s) downtime and loss of revenue for aircraft, will implode the final bill. €1m ?? Just a pure speculative guess.

keith16 · 06-06-2014 4:52pm

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

the bill will be sporty......

Is there not like "Airplane" insurance?

Or would the local handlers not be liable for some of the cost?

beer enigma · 06-06-2014 4:59pm

keith16 wrote: »

Is there not like "Airplane" insurance?

Or would the local handlers not be liable for some of the cost?

Its Ryanair, they are probably Third Party fire & Theft

L1011 · 06-06-2014 5:36pm

keith16 wrote: »

Is there not like "Airplane" insurance?

Or would the local handlers not be liable for some of the cost?

The handlers would be liable if they actually handled it and their negligence cause it; if the plane wasn't chocked due to the strike then it'd be very much up in the air (it would be possible to offload pax without handlers due to the airstairs but not baggage so I presume the handlers had to be involved). They would have insurance for this.

However the handlers are under bankruptcy protection which makes things even more complicated.

coylemj · 06-06-2014 6:40pm

MYOB wrote: »

if the plane wasn't chocked due to the strike then it'd be very much up in the air

Wow, there must have been some gale blowing that day

Ryanair B738 EI-DLI damaged at Rome Ciampino Airport

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