Husky mauls child

Discodog · 10-04-2012 6:24pm

calfmuscle wrote: »

Could you please pm me the recording if you get a chance?

Thanks in advance

No because it would be illegal. But I can send you some more info !

ISDW · 10-04-2012 7:14pm

I don't know what to say. Bad enough that a warden should be so ignorant, but for someone employed by the Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals to be so unenlightened is ... well I don't know what it is, I'm lost for words.

I once heard the RSPCA mistakenly called the Royal Society for the protection of cruelty to animals, maybe its time for a name change here in Ireland?:mad:

I have a friend in Canada who has a Carellian (sp) bear dog, the clue is in their name as to what they're used for. Wonder why she didn't just get a malamute?:rolleyes:

SillyMangoX · 10-04-2012 7:17pm

I'm almost ashamed to be from the same county as him, I used to always have so much respect for Frankie, he used to come around to us in school and tell us all about the dogs but ive just lost all respect for him now.

Cherry Blossom · 10-04-2012 7:38pm

Discodog wrote: »

He said that he & his wife had owned a Yorkshire Terrier for years. But when his first grandchild was born the dog got jealous of the baby & he had to get rid of his own dog.

Proof beyond any doubt whatsoever that he doesn't even have the most basic understanding of dogs and has no business whatsoever being paid to do a job in which he has no knowledge of the subject matter.

This is coming from a person who got a another terrier breed much better know for being unsuitable for homes with kids, with one 3 year old at the time I got the dog living in the house and 3 more then 1, 2 and 4 year old kids here on an 8am to 7pm basis at least five days a week with not one single dog/child problem whatsoever in the entire period from baby dog, through adolescence to doggie adulthood.

ISDW · 10-04-2012 8:15pm

I've listened to the broadcast now. He does actually make some fair points, but they are completely lost in the nonsense that he spouts about the dangerous dog breeds:mad: I've asked all of my malamute friends about their dogs being bred to bring down brown bears - can't wait to see the responses.

I wonder if he only has one grandchild? What on earth would they have done if the first grandchild had been jealous of the next one? Now thats unheard of isn't it, children being jealous of other children - would he advocate dumping the eldest grandchild?

Discodog · 10-04-2012 8:36pm

ISDW wrote: »

I've listened to the broadcast now. He does actually make some fair points, but they are completely lost in the nonsense that he spouts about the dangerous dog breeds:mad: I've asked all of my malamute friends about their dogs being bred to bring down brown bears - can't wait to see the responses.

As our resident Malamute expert have you ever heard that they were bred for Bear hunting ? I did a google & I couldn't find any references.

Surely the ISPCA should be speaking out in defence of dogs. All he had to say was that it was an unfortunate incident & that we don't know the cause, which is the truth. I can't understand why he had to go spouting all the other stuff. Rather than sensationalising the whole thing he should of been the voice of calm. He should of been reassuring people not scaring them.

Your Malamute friends & any other dog lovers should contact the ISPCA & make their feeling known.

Longranger · 10-04-2012 8:46pm

That's the joys of ignorance lad, I had a heated debate not two hours ago with a lad who just bought a Jack Russell pup for his missus for her birthday,and he is convinced that they were bred for hunting BEARS!!!!!!! When I told him that parson Russell bred them mainly for badgers he went mental! Isn't it amazing,the stuff they hide in those big heavy square things called books!

Discodog · 10-04-2012 8:50pm

Longranger wrote: »

That's the joys of ignorance lad, I had a heated debate not two hours ago with a lad who just bought a Jack Russell pup for his missus for her birthday,and he is convinced that they were bred for hunting BEARS!!!!!!! When I told him that parson Russell bred them mainly for badgers he went mental! Isn't it amazing,the stuff they hide in those big heavy square things called books!

I hate the "they were originally bred for X" comments. In 99% of breeds it means nothing. But it is even worse when it is broadcast to thousands by someone who would regarded by many as an expert.

ISDW · 10-04-2012 9:26pm

I'm not a mal expert DD, but no, I have never heard of them being used for hunting or bringing down bears. I shall be making my feelings known to the ISPCA, and shall be informing the Malamute club about what was said.

So many things that are unanswered from all of this though, what would make a dog attack a child like that, but then accept a stranger (dog warden) onto his property, allow him to lead him out, put him in a van, and into a pen in the dog pound with no hint of aggression whatsoever? I would imagine that the dog would be in pain after being hit with a shovel - I am not condemning the neighbour for doing that, if it was necessary to save the child's life, I would do the same. But surely the dog would be in pain, and would be very suspicious of any stranger approaching?

SillyMangoX · 10-04-2012 9:37pm

I'm friends with Ennis pound on Facebook and since all this has happened they've had a husky/shepherd mix who has been put in the pound and apparently since re-homed (the pics has been labelled re-homed) and earlier I saw 2 pictures of huskies in a 'Found' folder on their page were uploaded today but I just went on to try and find them again but the pictures weren't there. I really hope that there won't be an influx of northern breeds in the pounds because of this, because now that there is the perception of them being 'dangerous dogs', their chances don't seem to great

Ben_10 · 10-04-2012 11:52pm

I have an 18 month old male malamute and a 20 month old male siberian husky. They both do everything together and get on really well. I have all the harness equipment i need to work the dogs and I can attach anything with wheels to my line and they will run all day long.

The malamute was never bred to take down bears and I dont know where the dog warden got that information. The Karelian bear dog was bred to do this. Malamutes are bred to pull sleds. He sounds like he hasnt a clue when it comes to northern breeds. He also referred to the dog in question as a "husky" type which further proves he hasnt a clue.

There is a siberian husky and samoyed husky. They are the only two breeds with husky in their name recognized by most kennel clubs. There are other husky breeds such as an alaskan huskie which are not recognized by kennel clubs. Other northern breeds include the akita, malamute, eskimo dog, chow chow, greenland dog, and the karelian bear dog to name a few. All of these and a few i havent mentioned are the main dog type of northern parts of the world and the proper classification is "Spitz" type, not "husky" type. You would think a man with his job would know these kind of things. His misclassification does not do siberian huskies any justice.

Then you have the media "Devil husky dog" and a picture of a snarling wolf. Are these people for real. Pure ignorance.

Heres a few pictures of my two for the road. I can honestly say that they are the friendliest two dogs I have ever come across. They are great with any one that comes to the house and with any body they meet outside. They love people and they love attention. They are not the best when it comes to other dogs of the same sex but they never ever show any signs of aggression towards people. Theres a reason they are not used as guard dogs. It would take something very special for one of these guys to even dream of attacking a person.

Which is why I believe there must be special circumstances surrounding the incident that took place in Limerick. I know the dog supposedly had an ear ache, but if you ask me, you could throw in loneliness, lack of mental stimulation, lack of physical stimulation and frustration. It could of been any breed of dog and the comments by the dog warden are from a man that hasnt got a clue and are comments of pure ignorance. These dogs are not dangerous dogs at all if brought up like they are supposed to be.

Cherry Blossom · 11-04-2012 12:45am

Ben_10 wrote: »

There is a siberian husky and samoyed husky. They are the only two breeds with husky in their name recognized by most kennel clubs.

A Samoyed is not a husky, the breed name is Samoyed - not Samoyed husky, it is classified as spitz type, the same type as those that have spitz in their name, pomeranians, Akita and all of the northern breeds including Siberian Huskies and Alaskan Malamutes. It is no more a husky than a Pomeranian is.

List of Spitz breeds here

phoenix999 · 11-04-2012 1:00am

Ben_10 wrote: »

I have an 18 month old male malamute and a 20 month old male siberian husky. They both do everything together and get on really well. I have all the harness equipment i need to work the dogs and I can attach anything with wheels to my line and they will run all day long.

The malamute was never bred to take down bears and I dont know where the dog warden got that information. The Karelian bear dog was bred to do this. Malamutes are bred to pull sleds. He sounds like he hasnt a clue when it comes to northern breeds. He also referred to the dog in question as a "husky" type which further proves he hasnt a clue.

There is a siberian husky and samoyed husky. They are the only two breeds with husky in their name recognized by most kennel clubs. There are other husky breeds such as an alaskan huskie which are not recognized by kennel clubs. Other northern breeds include the akita, malamute, eskimo dog, chow chow, greenland dog, and the karelian bear dog to name a few. All of these and a few i havent mentioned are the main dog type of northern parts of the world and the proper classification is "Spitz" type, not "husky" type. You would think a man with his job would know these kind of things. His misclassification does not do siberian huskies any justice.

Then you have the media "Devil husky dog" and a picture of a snarling wolf. Are these people for real. Pure ignorance.

Heres a few pictures of my two for the road. I can honestly say that they are the friendliest two dogs I have ever come across. They are great with any one that comes to the house and with any body they meet outside. They love people and they love attention. They are not the best when it comes to other dogs of the same sex but they never ever show any signs of aggression towards people. Theres a reason they are not used as guard dogs. It would take something very special forE one of these guys to even dream of attacking a person.

Which is why I believe there must be special circumstances surrounding the incident that took place in Limerick. I know the dog supposedly had an ear ache, but if you ask me, you could throw in loneliness, lack of mental stimulation, lack of physical stimulation and frustration. It could of been any breed of dog and the comments by the dog warden are from a man that hasnt got a clue and are comments of pure ignorance. These dogs are not dangerous dogs at all if brought up like they are supposed to be.

Beautiful dogs. Look like they need quite a bit of grooming. Look really cute together

WolfgangWeisen · 11-04-2012 1:02am

Discodog wrote: »

His Pound killed 747 dogs in 2010

Jesus that's brutal

I don't know whether it is mere coincidence or just me giving it more attention after all said on this thread, but there *appears* to be a lot more grown "husky type" dogs appearing on dd since this story broke. Again, it might be normality and I'm just taking more notice but it certainly at least appears that way.

Ben_10 · 11-04-2012 1:05am

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

A Samoyed is not a husky, the breed name is Samoyed - not Samoyed husky, it is classified as spitz type, the same type as those that have spitz in their name, pomeranians, Akita and all of the northern breeds including Siberian Huskies and Alaskan Malamutes. It is no more a husky than a Pomeranian is.

List of Spitz breeds here

Your right, sorry.

Cherry Blossom · 11-04-2012 3:01am

Ben_10 wrote: »

Your right, sorry.

End of the day, they are all just dogs. Your not the only person who made that mistake but rather ironic given the context of your post!

ISDW · 11-04-2012 8:32am

Sorry to be pedantic Ben_10 because your post was very good, but Akitas aren't a northern breed either, they are an ancient, spitz breed, but not a northern breed bred for sledding.:)

I've had the pleasure of meeting some Greenland and Canadian Eskimo Dogs, and they are lovely, real out and out working sled dogs and not suitable for pet homes - not because they are nasty, but they are real working powerhouses.

FoxyVixen · 11-04-2012 11:54am

ISDW wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic Ben_10 because your post was very good, but Akitas aren't a northern breed either, they are an ancient, spitz breed, but not a northern breed bred for sledding.:)

You got there just before me ISDW

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Akitas most certainly aren't a northern breed but one of the more primitive breeds classed in the Spitz category. They've held two jobs in the past, one was holding bears at bay until the hunter caught up (not killing the bear itself which many people seem to claim - well baby bear possibly)
and babysitting children when the mother went to work on the rice paddies.

As for sledding? My girl is happy out running along side me when jogging or on the bike, but as for having the motivation to pull a rig? Well it can be testing at the best of times :rolleyes:.

Ben_10 · 11-04-2012 1:17pm

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

End of the day, they are all just dogs. Your not the only person who made that mistake but rather ironic given the context of your post!

It is a bit ironic

but im not a dog warden or a person that works with dogs. Im not claiming to be an expert, just highlighting readily available information.

You would think a dog warden would be able to identify a breed of dog before he starts making comments about it.

He sounds like he's more interested in putting dogs down than looking out for them.

Anybody that owns a malamute or husky will tell you that they are some of the friendliest breeds towards people and are certainly not dangerous.

REPTILEDAN88 · 11-04-2012 10:05pm

You would think a dog warden would be able to identify a breed of dog before he starts making comments about it.

Sadly they or the Gardai generally don't have a clue at least in my experience as to with dealing with Dogs restricted or otherwise well the ones I dealt with didn't anyway. According to the Gardai if its not a pitbull then its not dangerous ime, the 2 dogs in question were 2 terriers running around were I live attacking other dogs and owners but I would get stopped with my dog in my own garden even when he was on a lead and undercontrol.

Discodog · 13-04-2012 3:36pm

Just an update on this. Clare FM, the Morning program, would be interested in speaking to anyone who might like to comment regarding the Coote interview. Might be good if a couple of Malamute owners could speak out in defence of the breed.

ppink · 23-04-2012 7:57am

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/girl-in-hospital-after-unprovoked-attack-by-pet-dog-3088598.html

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BunShopVoyeur · 23-04-2012 8:28am

So it's happened again. I suppose it's time to blame the child or the parents once more. Typical.

toadfly · 23-04-2012 8:29am

The poor child I hope she'll be ok. I also wish that idiot Frank would talk some sense for once. Big dogs and kids are great together as long as both are trained properly.

Hooked · 23-04-2012 8:57am

TillyGirl wrote: »

The poor child I hope she'll be ok. I also wish that idiot Frank would talk some sense for once. Big dogs and kids are great together as long as both are trained properly.

Agreed 100%

And the last dog, in Limerick WASN'T a Siberian Husky!!! My heart goes out to the family and the girl. But the bandwagon better stay clear of me and my dog. I'm getting sick of this...

Let's get all our facts straight on this one before all Sibes are tarred with the same brush!!!

toadfly · 23-04-2012 9:06am

I can see them being added to the RB list soon, the more the red top rags go with this the sooner it could happen. BSL is utter crap.

Discodog · 23-04-2012 9:18am

These "attacks" will continue to happen whilst the Wardens/Guards fail to determine the real reason & assume that it's all the dog's fault. The dog will probably be dead by now so any investigation is impossible.

Coote will be on Clare FM tomorrow 10.45am & will no doubt spout more rubbish. Meanwhile the Pounds & rescues can expect an influx of "Huskies" so basically anything with pointed ears.

Bullseye1 · 23-04-2012 9:25am

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

So it's happened again. I suppose it's time to blame the child or the parents once more. Typical.

Not enough information has been reported yet to make a determination. But it looks like you have already came to a conclusion.

Discodog · 23-04-2012 9:28am

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Not enough information has been reported yet to make a determination. But it looks like you have already came to a conclusion.

But can you blame someone for drawing a conclusion when the ISPCA state that the breed is dangerous & that large dogs & children don't mix.

Hooked · 23-04-2012 9:31am

The Sun running with "second" attack from this breed! THE LAST ATTACK AND TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS INCORRECT. As is Frank's quote by the paper.

It was NOT a Siberian Husky in Limerick.

These "husky type" dogs can be picked up by backyard breeders for 100 euro at the market in Limerick. I've passed many dogs marked/coloured like my Sibe and can see why to the untrained eye they'd be considered a Husky. The vast majority are not!

They are mixed breeds being picked up by people who's initial want of such a lovely looking breed is far far outweighed by the work involved in keeping, training and exercising one.

Lets' hope a few more facts make their way onto this thread and far less of this Red Top rag BS.

ppink · 23-04-2012 9:40am

Hooked wrote: »

The Sun running with "second" attack from this breed! THE LAST ATTACK AND TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS INCORRECT. As is Frank's quote by the paper.

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His quote in the independent is incorrect?

It is kind of hard ot know with newspapers and I dont read red tops but then again they all seem to be looking for devil dog stories at times!

calfmuscle · 23-04-2012 9:42am

Young children should never be left alone with dogs. Ever.

I wonder if the ISPCA should look at introducing some kind of information pack to give to dog owners when they buy their license.

I hope the children are recovering well!

theteal · 23-04-2012 9:49am

second attack by "this breed" - he doesn't have a clue about dogs. Did he send away corn flakes tokens to get that job?

its a shame another child was hurt and another dog has been put down.

there may be an up side in that unlearned people without the proper facilities will stop buying these "types" of dogs

Discodog · 23-04-2012 9:51am

calfmuscle wrote: »

I wonder if the ISPCA should look at introducing some kind of information pack to give to dog owners when they buy their license.

A huge number of owners never buy a license & even if they did, many wouldn't read or follow advice.

The ISPCA need to focus on responsible ownership & determining the real reason for an attack rather than the easy cop out of blaming the dog.

Hooked · 23-04-2012 10:01am

ppink wrote: »

His quote in the independent is incorrect?

It is kind of hard ot know with newspapers and I dont read red tops but then again they all seem to be looking for devil dog stories at times!

His quote in todays Sun is incorrect! It's been edited by a mod so I assume I'm not allowed quote it. Apologies Mods.

I feel really strongly on this everyone. I've had comments and people crossing the road after the Limerick attack (not helped by the fact I live in the city). My dog is loved, exercised, trained and cared for by myself and my partner.

He's a lot of work at times. Out every day at 7am, trained at lunch daily, out again every evening at 6. We cover almost a marathon a week with him. EACH! We love the breed and the rewards of owning such a well trained, well behaved dog. This is not about the attack on the child reported today. My heart goes out to the kid and the family.

This is about accurate reporting on the breed. And what's involved in owning and caring for such a high energy dog. Nail on the head Discodog...

The ISPCA need to focus on responsible ownership & determining the real reason for an attack rather than the easy cop out of blaming the dog.

Discodog · 23-04-2012 10:07am

Hooked wrote: »

I feel really strongly on this everyone. I've had comments and people crossing the road after the Limerick attack (not helped by the fact I live in the city). My dog is loved, exercised, trained and cared for by myself and my partner.
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Then get your voice heard. Contact Morning Focus at Clare FM before Tues am & make your point to Coote.

23-04-2012 10:20am

I am still waiting to hear about the injury's sustained by the first child. Normally when there is a dog attack you hear what exactly happened. Was it bumps bruises and scrapes ? ?

23-04-2012 10:31am

Discodog wrote: »

Then get your voice heard. Contact Morning Focus at Clare FM before Tues am & make your point to Coote.

I would if i could get time. I am first going to make a complaint to the ISPCA about frank coote mixing up his breeds. He is a dog warden, all he has to do is know about breeds.

star-pants · 23-04-2012 10:47am

Just a note guys, we cannot quote articles etc. you can however provide a link to an online source.

Hooked · 23-04-2012 10:59am

star-pants wrote: »

Just a note guys, we cannot quote articles etc. you can however provide a link to an online source.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/irishsunnews/4273622/Second-kid-is-mauled-by-vicious-husky.html

The first child (in Limerick) was not attacked by a Siberian Husky. The papers and the dog warden need to brush up on their breed info.

Kash · 23-04-2012 11:02am

Discodog wrote: »

A huge number of owners never buy a license & even if they did, many wouldn't read or follow advice.

The ISPCA need to focus on responsible ownership & determining the real reason for an attack rather than the easy cop out of blaming the dog.

This is so true!

And there is so much that could be done to educate the public on responsible dog ownership - and it wouldn't have to be difficult, or boring, or expensive. Why not put training tips on the dog treat bags? Include a free doggy pedometer with the dog food? Or even an indication of how far they should be walked based on their weight/breed etc? It might not make people do it, but at least it would increase public awareness that a dog needs stimulation and exercise. They could get the dog food companies to sponsor it.

And that is without ever going into a proper national campaign to educate dog owners in a similar way to the public info ads they do for BBQs in the Summer etc. They could even use the dog license money to pay for it?

Instead we get fear mongering and wardens who can't tell their arse from their elbow. Grrr.

BunShopVoyeur · 23-04-2012 8:38pm

60 stitches.

Smeefa · 24-04-2012 12:23am

I dont have any experience of working Sled dogs and I do firmly believe that bad behavior is a result of an under stimulated badly trained dog, but I was wondering if there has been any reported cases of Rage Syndrome in this line of genetics?

It popped into my head when I saw the second case, I know the odds are minuscule but i thought I'd just put it out there. The fact that the two incidents are so geographically close, I think both reports said that the dogs had never previously been agressive and we dont even know for certain what exact breeds the dogs were, could there be a chance that they are from the same line of badly bred "wolfy lookin" dogs?

I mean the amount of "Husky types" on sale around Ireland at the moment, and the high rate of genetically passed diseases present in the breed, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of inbreeding here has severely affected the breed psychologically?

But then again, it's probably just the same sad outcome that I and a lot of people were expecting:
High energy, high intelligence dog minus adequate exercise and stimulation = horror stories for everyone involved.
Except for the tabloids.
They love this shít.

24-04-2012 12:37am

Julia London wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hero-neighbour-rescues-toddler-as-pet-dog-goes-beserk-3072116.html

God im shoocked I have a 6 year old samoyed husky myself.
Anyone know are they on the dangerous dogs list?

As said before, no such thing as a dangerous dogs list. But surely if you own the animal, you should know this...:rolleyes:

24-04-2012 1:20am

In relation to the attacks that occurred recently, it breaks my heart to read these stories for a couple of reasons.

1) The press just make an absolute boll*x of the facts, they spout utter garbage and use ridiculous images to illustrate their points.

2) It's the owners fault. All of it is the owners fault. If you own the dog, you're responsible for that dog, you shouldn't be leaving a dog with a kid ever.

I've an 8 month old American Akita (but everyone in Ireland just says "what an amazing looking husky you have"), I was interviewed for over 2 hours by the breeder (in the UK) about why I wanted an Akita and what my intentions were. The reason I went to the UK was because there were not enough good breeders (barely count them on one hand) in Ireland with available pups whom I'd trust buying a dog from. So now I am fortunate enough to have an unbelievable dog with a great temperament but I'll tell you what, I'll never leave him alone with a kid or even someone he doesn't know because I'm responsible for anything he may do and I don't want to end up in court, and I don't want him destroyed.

My point is this; If owners were responsible, this wouldn't happen.

MrJoeSoap · 24-04-2012 12:31pm

This has surfaced in the Independent again today.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/i-feared-my-little-girl-3-would-die-in-my-arms-after-dog-attack-horror-3089320.html

chris_ie · 24-04-2012 1:09pm

Its all a bit ridiculous. Its an awful thing to happen and I feel for anyone that it happens to but to react and treat all breeds that attack someone as vicious blood thirsty animals is ridiculous. Plenty cases of human on human crime, should all we all just stay in doors away from each other?

Dont own a dog yet myself, maybe some point in the future, but we have 2 cats. I'd even make sure that I was there if small kids were around the cats!!

Zapperzy · 24-04-2012 1:19pm

Suppose every attack by a husky or husky type looking dog will be reported now with the same hysteria in the red top rags. Wonder should we all start sending in our stories now, a husky looked at me the wrong way other day and stuck his middle finger up at me behind his owners back, what a disgrace he should be put down.

No ill respect meant for the kids who were attacked, don't like to hear of anyone attacked.

ducksmalone · 24-04-2012 2:15pm

I heard the interview with the parent of the poor child,i was driving and had to pull over as i was shocked at the interview,my heart goes out to the poor girl and her family:(

Lets mention some of what is quoted in the article.....

Deep teeth wounds to head and upper body

She has up to 60 stitches in the back of her head and under her arm and behind her ear," Mr O'Donoghue said

I recall in his Radio interview,the Dad saying,he had seen a pig killed before but on this occasion he had never seen the quantity of blood anywhere,thats roughly what he said.:(

so for the people who wanted to phone and encouraged others to phone clarefm to defend the breed and to the people who thanked posts....... im not sure what i think of you,and to the people who are attacking the Warden........ words fail me,seriously,they do:(
TALK ABOUT POOR TIMING:rolleyes: what do you think the parent of the child would say to you if you met him face to face when you defend the breed vs the injuries his daughter suffered? serious question,well?

i guess you guys are more about preserving the nature and breed of the dog rather than concerning yourselves with the real issue,which is,the utter devastation,hurt and heartbreak this dog has the potential to cause to a child or human being.:(

i really do hope lessons are learned from this,i really do.

signed,
a sad poster:(

MrJoeSoap · 24-04-2012 2:18pm

I think I'll send the papers a story about a perfectly trained, well-behaved husky that is of no danger to anyone.

Fuck it, I'll just send them in The Philosopher And The Wolf. Even a wolf can be taught to behave perfectly to heel in public with the right training.

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