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FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

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  • #52
    Wonderstruck
    Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Wonderstruck


    law_struggles wrote: »
    Regarding legal standing

    Is Plaumann still followed?

    Did UPA and Jego Quere try to move away to a more lenient view but were reverted to Plaumann?:

    UPA is only the AG's opinion which basically the court sent straight the shedder. Jego was only the court of first instance it was overturned on appeal.

    263(4) tfeu was added by lisbon and now one does not need to show individual concern when challenging a regulatory act not addressed to you (In the Inuit case this was defined as "all acts of a general application which are not legislative".)

    But Plaumann hasn't - to my knowledge - ever been overruled and still applies to legislative acts. UPA and Jego Quere did not overule it was tbe first one isnt binding and the second one was overruled in a higher court.


  • #53
    Wonderstruck
    Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Wonderstruck


    the baby bull elephant wrote: »
    Plaumann still applies if it's not a regulatory act which doesn't entail implementing measures as you have to show individual concern.


    Beaten to it sorry for double posting!


  • #54
    20082014
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭20082014


    EU Law Citizenship & FMOW

    In relation to October 2018 Q.4, would anyone be able to explain if Lola would be able to get the student grant as she is a TCN and a worker?


  • #55
    ahhhhhFE1s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    20082014 wrote: »
    EU Law Citizenship & FMOW

    In relation to October 2018 Q.4, would anyone be able to explain if Lola would be able to get the student grant as she is a TCN and a worker?

    Don't think so as to get financial assistance for citizens you have to be working and can't be ancillary as per Brown v Secretary of State so for TCN don't think so.. Could say marry Fred and then get certain allowances per Metock.. Or that might be entitled to residency under Zambrano once the child is born but maybe not as dad is citizen per O, L and S or McCarthy.. Does any of this make sense??


  • #56
    20082014
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭20082014


    ahhhhhFE1s wrote: »
    Don't think so as to get financial assistance for citizens you have to be working and can't be ancillary as per Brown v Secretary of State so for TCN don't think so.. Could say marry Fred and then get certain allowances per Metock.. Or that might be entitled to residency under Zambrano once the child is born but maybe not as dad is citizen per O, L and S or McCarthy.. Does any of this make sense??
    Thanks for that! for some reason I dont have the Brown case in my notes, any chance you have a brief summary of it?

    Feel like I know nothing for tomorrow, such a nightmare!


  • #57
    ahhhhhFE1s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    20082014 wrote: »
    Thanks for that! for some reason I dont have the Brown case in my notes, any chance you have a brief summary of it?

    Feel like I know nothing for tomorrow, such a nightmare!

    Ya I'm the same brain is mush and so much to get through..
    Brown v Secretary of State for Scotland (contrast)- employment is merely ancillary to studies, migrant workers are not entitled to financial assistance for their study in the host Member State

    Think the facts were something like only got the job through the university and came and worked for 6mths before starting course??

    Found this Where a person takes a job (and thus becomes a worker) solely as a result of his being accepted for admission to university to undertake studies related to the nature of his work, the employment relationship is merely ancillary to the studies.


  • #58
    illy.m
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭illy.m


    Good luck to everyone sitting EU today. Just few more hours and we will be done!!!!


  • #59
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    I will be eternally grateful with Gen Prins and Third Country National Qs. Good luck all!


  • #60
    sbbyrne
    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭sbbyrne


    Daly29 wrote: »
    I will be eternally grateful with Gen Prins and Third Country National Qs. Good luck all!

    Quick q on this guys- does it matter how long a TCN is in the host MS for? Does it have to be 5 years, or if they’re married does it matter. Sorry this probably doesn’t even make sense my heads gone SOS


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  • #61
    supercreative
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭supercreative


    EU Citizenship

    Have a few questions if anyone's feeling generous!

    1. Do "vocational students" (people who have retained their worker status and so are able to get maintenance grants as in Lair v Universitat Hannover, Brown v Sec of State for Scotland etc) have to have been working in the country right up until they start studying? As in if I work as an accountant from May to June in Spain and then start an accountancy course in October am I entitled to get a grant for it?

    2. When they say that students aren't entitled to "maintenance grants" without permanent residence (Bidar; Forster) does that apply to grants/loans to cover the fees or just grants/loans to cover living expenses?


  • #62
    LawGirl3434
    Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    JCormac wrote: »
    For Citizenship I am right in thinking that "purely internal situation" refers to a situation where the EU Citizen has never left their own country, to travel to another EU country, even for like a holiday, never? And therefore they haven't exercised their 'right of free movement'?That's what it's reading as but it sounds outlandish.No I think you’re right - just remember case of Eind, you don’t need to leave to bring in a TCN family member It's probably simple but my head is absolutely melted from Judicial review
    supercreative wrote: »
    EU Citizenship

    Have a few questions if anyone's feeling generous!

    1. Do "vocational students" (people who have retained their worker status and so are able to get maintenance grants as in Lair v Universitat Hannover, Brown v Sec of State for Scotland etc) have to have been working in the country right up until they start studying? As in if I work as an accountant from May to June in Spain and then start an accountancy course in October am I entitled to get a grant for it?

    2. When they say that students aren't entitled to "maintenance grants" without permanent residence (Bidar; Forster) does that apply to grants/loans to cover the fees or just grants/loans to cover living expenses?

    Not sure if helps but I have for Lair: need some link to study with work in order to get grant, but will still get enrolment costs. Will be allowed if becomes involuntary employed.


  • #63
    Wonderstruck
    Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Wonderstruck


    Best of luck everyone! Remember to be calm, deep breathing and let's show Brussels what we've got :cool:


  • #64
    yournerd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭yournerd


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    Would anu kind soul have any EU law notes to share? Picked this subject up a few days ago after a bad exam, most likely my last shot this round to get the magic three :(

    Send me your email


  • #65
    saraocallaghan
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭saraocallaghan


    Well that was a sh!t show - mind went blank and I definitely limited myself with my topics. Ah well, they’re over at least!

    Well done everybody, the slog is over, enjoy your well deserved free time!


  • #66
    Bassadd
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Bassadd


    The feeling of writing your last word is euphoric! Well done everyone on seeing the exams through and best of luck with the results


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  • #67
    Snakeydoogey
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭Snakeydoogey


    Pretty devastated after that exam.My last one but I'm pretty sure I'll be sitting it again in March.I know everyone is anxious to forget about them but before you go bobbing for apples in a basin of Gin would anyone have any Eu notes/Sample answers or other materials they could send on to me please??? Thank you and we'll done EVERYONE for surviving another gruelling round.


  • #68
    Bassadd
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Bassadd


    Snakeydoogey wrote: »
    Pretty devastated after that exam.My last one but I'm pretty sure I'll be sitting it again in March.I know everyone is anxious to forget about them but before you go bobbing for apples in a basin of Gin would anyone have any Eu notes/Sample answers or other materials they could send on to me please??? Thank you and we'll done EVERYONE for surviving another gruelling round.


    PM me your email and I can send on notes that I have - didn't do any practice questions though so I am no help with sample answers


  • #69
    Vegetarian2017
    Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭Vegetarian2017


    Most tiring exam to date exhausted sitting it I struggled the whole way through. Anyone find the room unbearably warm I couldn't breath. Apart from that, was this down to sheer exhaustion or did anyone have reread the problem questions ten times over to grasp them. I spent far too much time reading the damn QUESTIONS.They were so many facts it left me really pushed for time then under time pressure started to panic write.

    Any previous passers of Eu law passing (beyond their belief) comments are most welcome. 1 reasonable question and the remaining four well just under average or worse =/


  • #70
    Snakeydoogey
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭Snakeydoogey


    I had a car crash of an exam.Kept reading the paper over and over again in the hope something would jump out.
    3 below average answers and 2 that can only be described as the ranting of an insane man.l need a miracle to get that.
    Vegetarian2017 wrote: »
    Most tiring exam to date exhausted sitting it I struggled the whole way through. Anyone find the room unbearably warm I couldn't breath. Apart from that, was this down to sheer exhaustion or did anyone have reread the problem questions ten times over to grasp them. I spent far too much time reading the damn QUESTIONS.They were so many facts it left me really pushed for time then under time pressure started to panic write.

    Any previous passers of Eu law passing (beyond their belief) comments are most welcome. 1 reasonable question and the remaining four well just under average or worse =/


  • #71
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    I failed it for sure. Not even worth debating for me. Was going to go home for some sleep but hung on in. I'll fail better next time. If I did worse than 3 exams out of 5 I'll be so pissed off. Anyway, I just pray pray the others are kind to me.


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  • #72
    PuffleHuffLyra
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭PuffleHuffLyra


    Vegetarian2017 wrote: »
    Most tiring exam to date exhausted sitting it I struggled the whole way through. Anyone find the room unbearably warm I couldn't breath. Apart from that, was this down to sheer exhaustion or did anyone have reread the problem questions ten times over to grasp them. I spent far too much time reading the damn QUESTIONS.They were so many facts it left me really pushed for time then under time pressure started to panic write.

    Any previous passers of Eu law passing (beyond their belief) comments are most welcome. 1 reasonable question and the remaining four well just under average or worse =/

    It was absolutely roasting, I was melting into my own paper. Dreadful.

    I was also fairly unhappy with it, but it was mostly my own fault for cutting topics. I didn't even answer the (what I assume) DE question as I skimmed over it & assumed freedom of capital (which I didn't cover) within seconds in a nervous panic. Only walking to the Luas did I realise that it was probably in fact DE. I can't even bare looking at the paper now to confirm.

    Anyway, to the pub.


  • #73
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    Probably sounds a bit hypocritical but it had an 85% pass rate. Now I know this paper was a lot harder but unlikely to drop below 70. Most people have been working flat out for a while and would have found that tough going. Then you have the people like me who just couldnt have passed so try and enjoy the 6 weeks. Saying that I'm pretty misreable :-) Just need sleep.


  • #74
    Vegetarian2017
    Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭Vegetarian2017


    Yes I think it was mainly DE/MSL? Christ at this stage honestly. The freedoms I didn't cover goods bit still attempted the question. It is tough having eu law as the last exam extremely fatigued. I was forgetting ridiculous things. Id like to dream in my head that for attempting five il pass on effort alone ����


  • #75
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    Vegetarian2017 wrote: »
    Yes I think it was mainly DE/MSL? Christ at this stage honestly. The freedoms I didn't cover goods bit still attempted the question. It is tough having eu law as the last exam extremely fatigued. I was forgetting ridiculous things. Id like to dream in my head that for attempting five il pass on effort alone ����

    Do that, life is better that way. Might just start telling people it went great myself :-)


  • #76
    PuffleHuffLyra
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭PuffleHuffLyra


    Vegetarian2017 wrote: »
    Yes I think it was mainly DE/MSL? Christ at this stage honestly. The freedoms I didn't cover goods bit still attempted the question. It is tough having eu law as the last exam extremely fatigued. I was forgetting ridiculous things. Id like to dream in my head that for attempting five il pass on effort alone ����

    Same. I wrote 5 ****e essays, but at least that's 5 essays. Fingers crossed he throws some pity marks at my ravings.


  • #77
    JCormac
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭JCormac


    Yeah, that was a total loss. Literally the only exam I've ever left early I'd say.

    Mind went completely blank.

    Will definitely be picking up that exam again in March. Ah well sure


  • #78
    Vegetarian2017
    Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭Vegetarian2017


    Daly29 wrote: »
    I failed it for sure. Not even worth debating for me. Was going to go home for some sleep but hung on in. I'll fail better next time. If I did worse than 3 exams out of 5 I'll be so pissed off. Anyway, I just pray pray the others are kind to me.

    What did you answer ? Did you attempt many?


  • #79
    CMUL
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭CMUL


    So how do you know if you pass, its my first time sitting so i've no idea. alot on here say they feel they passed but thats just from past sittings I presume? I felt I did at least 4.5 questions well in the 3, I did property, equity and contract. I felt like I answered the question and gave at least 6 cases in each answer.

    I did the griffith course and its staring the beginning of Nov for next round but I wont get results until end of Nov so I dont know what to do? start with the next lot or wait and see? I dont want to miss a whole month

    Also I want to do just two next and then leave three until next October. SO I am looking to do the two largest topics, any suggestions? I would have said Equity was an awful to cover, really couldnt leave anything out. Property was definitely the easiet, guaranteed 3 topics to come up and they did.

    Any advice welcomed. I know we are all so sick of them and this thread will be non existent next week!


  • #80
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    CMUL wrote: »
    So how do you know if you pass, its my first time sitting so i've no idea. alot on here say they feel they passed but thats just from past sittings I presume? I felt I did at least 4.5 questions well in the 3, I did property, equity and contract. I felt like I answered the question and gave at least 6 cases in each answer.

    I did the griffith course and its staring the beginning of Nov for next round but I wont get results until end of Nov so I dont know what to do? start with the next lot or wait and see? I dont want to miss a whole month

    Also I want to do just two next and then leave three until next October. SO I am looking to do the two largest topics, any suggestions? I would have said Equity was an awful to cover, really couldnt leave anything out. Property was definitely the easiet, guaranteed 3 topics to come up and they did.

    Any advice welcomed. I know we are all so sick of them and this thread will be non existent next week!

    I don't know what you have left, Constitutional is big, take that if you are looking for a big one. 4.5 good questions sound like a pass to me.


  • #81
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    Vegetarian2017 wrote: »
    What did you answer ? Did you attempt many?

    Didn't have the info. I was exhausted. Had 4 this week plus Constitutional Friday, didnt have my notes right for this. Not even going to depress myself by exmining what I did do.


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  • #82
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    JCormac wrote: »
    Yeah, that was a total loss. Literally the only exam I've ever left early I'd say.

    Mind went completely blank.

    Will definitely be picking up that exam again in March. Ah well sure

    Pass rate will take a hit on that. Seemed significantly tougher to me than previous papers.


  • #83
    CMUL
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭CMUL


    I have the other 5 left. I hated company in college so was thinking of doing that but if its easy enough to predict maybe I'll leave it. Its EU very big/difficult?


  • #84
    Daly29
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭Daly29


    CMUL wrote: »
    I have the other 5 left. I hated company in college so was thinking of doing that but if its easy enough to predict maybe I'll leave it. Its EU very big/difficult?

    Sorry, missed that. EU and Constitution are the biggest out the 5, for sure. People generally split them up, if you are looking to take on two big ones they are the two biggest.


  • #85
    Vegetarian2017
    Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭Vegetarian2017


    Daly29 wrote: »
    Didn't have the info. I was exhausted. Had 4 this week plus Constitutional Friday, didnt have my notes right for this. Not even going to depress myself by exmining what I did do.

    That's really tough you are making it twice as difficult not have days in between. Hopefully you get three, if you don't you have the experience the next time but choose wisely according to the timetable o your not at a loss.


  • #86
    Vegetarian2017
    Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭Vegetarian2017


    CMUL wrote: »
    I have the other 5 left. I hated company in college so was thinking of doing that but if its easy enough to predict maybe I'll leave it. Its EU very big/difficult?

    Tort and constitutional are massive plus very unpredictable. I would be getting them out of the way. Yes EU is not for everyone but there is always the few reliable topics you know will come up.


  • #87
    ahona
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭ahona


    FYI I created a Law Firm Milkrounds 2019 thread if anyone is interested.

    I wont be applying this year anymore but since I created the thread, I thought I should let you folks know!

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111224667


  • #88
    wallace123
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭wallace123


    Vegetarian2017 wrote: »
    Tort and constitutional are massive plus very unpredictable. I would be getting them out of the way. Yes EU is not for everyone but there is always the few reliable topics you know will come up.

    Any thoughts on which of the grind schools is best for constitutional and equity? 😊

    Mod
    Sorry, pls do not discuss the various schools, tutors etc here


  • #89
    JCormac
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭JCormac


    Daly29 wrote: »
    Pass rate will take a hit on that. Seemed significantly tougher to me than previous papers.

    The fact that FMWs didn't come up as a problem question along with Judicial Review coming up as a problem threw a lot of people off I'd say, or maybe that's just me :P

    Rough paper regardless, fair dues to the people who took it in their stride


  • #90
    CMUL
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭CMUL


    I did Griffith College for equity I found the lecturer excellant, he knew what he was talking about, not like some of the others who just read the manual out to you!


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  • #91
    Jenosul
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Jenosul


    Hey guys,

    Hope everyone survived FE1 season. Hope exams went well. If not I am sorry to hear, just know there is no shame in resisting as that is the nature of these exams unfortunately as they are ruthlessly tough.

    Anyone interested in forming a study group in Cork let me know. Or it would be great if people in other parts of the country wanted to do the same,

    It would be a great idea if people were interested. I find going over topics with other people better for grasping and learning. Also moral support.

    I am thinking of doing Constitution, Equity and Company if anyone is interested. ;)

    Well done to everyone who sat the exams.


  • #92
    jewels652
    Registered Users Posts: 233 ✭✭jewels652


    Jenosul wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    Hope everyone survived FE1 season. Hope exams went well. If not I am sorry to hear, just know there is no shame in resisting as that is the nature of these exams unfortunately as they are ruthlessly tough.

    Anyone interested in forming a study group in Cork let me know. Or it would be great if people in other parts of the country wanted to do the same,

    It would be a great idea if people were interested. I find going over topics with other people better for grasping and learning. Also moral support.

    I am thinking of doing Constitution, Equity and Company if anyone is interested. ;)

    Well done to everyone who sat the exams.

    I am interested I will be doing constitutional and eu next March
    Pm


  • #93
    JCormac
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭JCormac


    Jenosul wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    Hope everyone survived FE1 season. Hope exams went well. If not I am sorry to hear, just know there is no shame in resisting as that is the nature of these exams unfortunately as they are ruthlessly tough.

    Anyone interested in forming a study group in Cork let me know. Or it would be great if people in other parts of the country wanted to do the same,

    It would be a great idea if people were interested. I find going over topics with other people better for grasping and learning. Also moral support.

    I am thinking of doing Constitution, Equity and Company if anyone is interested. ;)

    Well done to everyone who sat the exams.

    Great idea.

    Would be interested in forming a Dublin study group too, if anyone's interested!

    Would be interested in doing Equity, Tort and probably EU.


  • #94
    Breacnua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Breacnua


    Wondering can anyone recommend good books for EU ? I have never completed any Eu module in college so it’s very new to me for the next sitting


  • #95
    Dancing Obsession
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭Dancing Obsession


    Jenosul wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    Hope everyone survived FE1 season. Hope exams went well. If not I am sorry to hear, just know there is no shame in resisting as that is the nature of these exams unfortunately as they are ruthlessly tough.

    Anyone interested in forming a study group in Cork let me know. Or it would be great if people in other parts of the country wanted to do the same,

    It would be a great idea if people were interested. I find going over topics with other people better for grasping and learning. Also moral support.

    I am thinking of doing Constitution, Equity and Company if anyone is interested. ;)

    Well done to everyone who sat the exams.

    Great idea. I'm in


  • #96
    JohnsKite
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭JohnsKite


    Breacnua wrote: »
    Wondering can anyone recommend good books for EU ? I have never completed any Eu module in college so it’s very new to me for the next sitting


    EU Law: Text, Cases, and Materials - Grainne de Burca and Paul Craig
    Eu Law in Ireland
    And there's another one that's good, can't find it for some reason.

    They're all better or worse in some areas; and since they're relatively cheap, as law books go, it's worth having the 3


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  • #97
    Breacnua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Breacnua


    JohnsKite wrote: »
    EU Law: Text, Cases, and Materials - Grainne de Burca and Paul Craig
    Eu Law in Ireland
    And there's another one that's good, can't find it for some reason.

    They're all better or worse in some areas; and since they're relatively cheap, as law books go, it's worth having the 3

    Really appreciate that
    Thanks


  • #98
    JonnyHanlon
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭JonnyHanlon


    Howzit going everyone, anyone know when d results of the Fe1 exams are out so I can celebrate? :)


  • #99
    13545327
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭13545327


    JonnyHanlon wrote: »
    Howzit going everyone, anyone know when d results of the Fe1 exams are out so I can celebrate? :)

    Think I seen they were out the 30th of November a few years ago, if that's the case it's balls


  • #100
    13545327
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭13545327


    Hi, I've completed 3 FE1s. Felt I definitely passed tort and criminal. Felt I did OK with company too, however having thought about it, it could be dodgy.I answered 2 questions well, 2 questions moderately and the last one poor. Has anyone ever sat the exam before and maybe got marks where they thought didn't deserve them or has anyone any general views about that particular examiner?

    felt I got alot of caselaw down however for one question I didn't have time to talk about the cases so I just listed them out. Would I still get marks for this?
    This was the Veil of incorporation question


  • #101
    Jenosul
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Jenosul


    13545327 wrote: »
    Hi, I've completed 3 FE1s. Felt I definitely passed tort and criminal. Felt I did OK with company too, however having thought about it, it could be dodgy.I answered 2 questions well, 2 questions moderately and the last one poor. Has anyone ever sat the exam before and maybe got marks where they thought didn't deserve them or has anyone any general views about that particular examiner?

    felt I got alot of caselaw down however for one question I didn't have time to talk about the cases so I just listed them out. Would I still get marks for this?
    This was the Veil of incorporation question



    I was told that they do not want you to talk about facts of the cases. Eg in Donoghue v Stevenson blah blah blah are the facts. I was of the mind it drives them insane. Unless you say in case x it was decided and in case y it differed etc.

    I reckon you did fine once you answered them. You may just have the fear now! I nearly passed last time around I was short 4 marks and only answered 4 questions and didn’t really know my fifth and tried to bluff it. It sounds like you did know what you are talking about, knew the actual answer but did not go into depth about case facts which they say not to do anyway. You are meant to answer like you are a solicitor, kinda different from college in that you just keep to the point and not write everything you know.


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